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Memphis Raines
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posted 04-06-2005 07:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Memphis Raines     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I believe that I have found the reason for a-spec points. Now I will need a little help verifying this but here it goes.

I have on a couple of previous races gotten the "max" a-spec points of two hundred, and when I went back to rerace them for money and the car(not b-spec but actually rerace them) my a-spec points did not go up at all.
On, another race that I had previously raced where I did not get the max points and went back tou race for the max points I only got the difference between what I had and the 200.

So, I guess what I am trying to say is that there is a maximun total amount of a-spec points that can be achieved. 200 x all races, + 250 x 31(mission races)

Please verify if you would, maybe I am just imaging things!

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posted 04-06-2005 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eggmann     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
There are 34 missions.

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posted 04-06-2005 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WasteGate     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I believe you're right. Once we get to 100% with all gold licences and one of each car, the next step will be to get as many A spec points as we can.

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LastCURVE
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posted 04-06-2005 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LastCURVE     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You're not imagining things. Getting 200 points in a race, where you previously had 199, will only land you one extra point. In other words there is a maximum ammount, whether reaching this ammount will get you any prize or not, I guess we will find out when (or if) someone gets there.

By the way - There are also awarded A-spec points for each track in Arcade-mode, but they don't count in GT-mode.

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posted 04-06-2005 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTer     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Yes, at 60,000 A-spec pts., the black milk truck shows up in the used car lot.

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posted 04-06-2005 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Smart     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Very interesting! Do family cup races count? These seem to pick comparible fields to your vehicle, so being offered 200 points might be very hard.

I'd find out myself, but I'm in the middle of the 15-race F1 series...

Oh, and has anyone passed 10,000 b-spec points? I'me not found out exactly how these are allocated, but they seem to be harder to get after 9,000.

Here's a snipped from Miko's diary that is relevant...

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Completion: 78.6%; A-spec points: 30,681; Day 674; 160 cars, 127 prize cars; 4,089 A-spec miles; 407 trophies (of which only 4 are from re-runs).

Therefore, 30,681 minus 33 x 250 for the completed missions divided by 403 equals, where's my abacus, ah yes, 55.7 A-spec points per race. Hm, I figure I need to be in the 60's in order to hit 50,000 A-spec points.


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posted 04-06-2005 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proDbunta     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
you know one off us cud just use the max Aspec cheat in AR MAX and find out.

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posted 04-06-2005 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MustakeSVT     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
"Cud"??? Isn't that what cows chew?

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posted 04-06-2005 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fud     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Mr Smart, I'm at just shy of 16000.

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posted 04-06-2005 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTer     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mr Smart:

Oh, and has anyone passed 10,000 b-spec points? I'me not found out exactly how these are allocated, but they seem to be harder to get after 9,000.


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I'm well over 20,000 A-spec pts. already, and 90% completion (I love my job). My B-spec driver is over 8,000pts., and at 91 machine, 80 course, and 80 battle skill points. The Family Cup races are the fastest way to build his skills, I've found.

28,753 A-spec pts. and 8,139 b-spec to be exact

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Memphis Raines
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posted 04-07-2005 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Memphis Raines     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
your right egg there are 34, my apologies!lol.

So, I guess averages in a-spec get shot to hell and back for those of us who have run races more than once.

Well, good luck to the man that finds a way to get all the a-spec points possible. That diary I would like to read!

And it would be the Black LMP UPS truck in used car lot!lol

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Memphis Raines
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posted 04-11-2005 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Memphis Raines     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
wow, I thought that there would be more replies to this considering the fuss that it started when the game first came out!

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posted 04-11-2005 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lugnut     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You've reminded me to mention that, whatever the maximum A-Spec point value is will be something considerably less than 200 points per race.

Almost all of the manufacturer races at the unlicensed and B License levels involve races amongst identical, or closely varying, stock production cars. In those races, the only thing you'll be able to do to get the A-Spec point value up would be to compete with a used car that you didn't change the oil with (or a new one that you deliberately ran down the engine). Even at that, the A-Spec points would never exceed the double digits.

Similarly, some other races involve extremely limited pools of eligible vehicles, e.g. the British Lightweight, where I would guess it is not possible to field a 200 A-Spec point underdog.

You'd probably have to both be really in love with both this game and spreadsheets to figure out what the real maximum possible A-Spec point value might be.

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GT3mich
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posted 04-11-2005 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GT3mich     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have an official Sony document that I grabbed somewhere on the net but am reluctant to post it because of copyright. All it is is an competetion indicator. More points, the tougher the race.

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posted 04-11-2005 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for edgary235     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
So in the end they don't mean anything; i.e. getting a spectacular car if you accumulate a ridiculous amount of points?

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posted 04-11-2005 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GT3mich     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
That is correct.

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posted 04-11-2005 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LaughteranDMirth     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
And they are not a very good gage of competition either, other than if the A-spec points are lower than 10 it is an easier race and if it is higher than 150 it is a very hard race. I have had low number races be pretty hard and some races in the 120's/130's be pretty easy.

Just another worthless PD creation.....

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posted 04-11-2005 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tr6     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LaughteranDMirth:

Just another worthless PD creation.....

Come on now, be fair, they only had 4 years to get it right

By GT6 they'll probably be useful, & by GT9 you'll be able to exchange them in the pits for toasters & alarm clock radios. Then it'll be a REAL driving simulator

Can't wait...

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posted 04-11-2005 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NoQuarter     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
One case that blows the tougher race, higher points theory is the Elise Mfr. Series...

Regardless of your tuning/upgrades, it's always a series of 200 point races.

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posted 04-11-2005 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Secludus     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
A-Spec is there to tell you at the beginning of the race whenever to quit straight away or not if it gives more than 1 point.

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posted 04-12-2005 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GTer     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
There is also only one set of A-spec points for EVERY Family Cup race. If you've never run a Family Cup race at, say, Autumn Ring, but you have at Grand Valley East reverse, you'll see the A-spec point total at the entry list screen from your GVEr race.

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posted 04-12-2005 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DTW     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
So that means the rumor about the paint shop after 20,000 points isn’t true?

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So that means the rumor about the paint shop after 20,000 points isn’t true?

No. The paint shop is opened up after you get 100 pink Citroens. But then again, the only colour the paint shop has is pink...

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posted 04-12-2005 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miko     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'm still optimistic that there is a pot of gold at the end of the A-Spec rainbow. It's too complex of a system, despite its frailty, to serve no purpose other than attempting to grade the difficulty of the race.

Apart from the obvious hp and P to W comparisons, it also factors in tires and downforce - softer tires = fewer points, less downforce = more points.

Additionally there appears to be a hidden algorithm that builds in the quality of the AI and this is more sophisticated than the difference between a B-licence or an A-licence race - cite the Speedster Series.

Only time will tell if A-Spec points serve a hidden purpose and, until such time that it is proved that they don't, I will remain hopeful.

Edit note: corrected typo

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No. The paint shop is opened up after you get 100 pink Citroens. But then again, the only colour the paint shop has is pink...

So that means I can finally have both my Mazda L110’s in pink? Time to collect ‘em Citroens!

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posted 04-18-2005 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crhanson     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I've noticed that you can use balast to increase aspec points for a race. Good for those manufacturer races where all the cars are the same.

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posted 04-18-2005 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpecsGTP     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Nice observation, I will have to use that one (and a bottle of my favorite liquor) to help even the playing field with AI

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IM sory but you are wrong, there is no Max amount you can get because redoing Driving Missions will give the same amount every time you redo them

Im not sure what they are for, but I know a easy way to get them. Just keep redoing a Driving Mision that your good at, you get 250 A-Spec points every time, and your points always go up. I've tried doing it over and over again, and My A-spec points are through the celing.

I have yet to see anything become of this, or any afect this has had on anything, but Im curious as to why they are there (It cant be to clock driving skills, as my trick blows that theory away)

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????????

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posted 04-18-2005 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GT3mich     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rac3r_X:
IM sory but you are wrong, there is no Max amount you can get because redoing Driving Missions will give the same amount every time you redo them

Im not sure what they are for, but I know a easy way to get them. Just keep redoing a Driving Mision that your good at, you get 250 A-Spec points every time, and your points always go up. I've tried doing it over and over again, and My A-spec points are through the celing.

I have yet to see anything become of this, or any afect this has had on anything, but Im curious as to why they are there (It cant be to clock driving skills, as my trick blows that theory away)

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????????



I just ran Mission 9 over again to see if this was true or not.
A Spec points before test
21032
A Spec points after win. 1 try.
21032
I did win more cash but the pts are the same.

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posted 04-18-2005 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miko     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GT3mich:
I did win more cash but the pts are the same.

Thanks for confirming this. I believed this to be the case but could not confirm until tonight. My understanding is that a mission is worth 250 points whether it's won once or 100 times, in the same way that only the highest points value from any race counts towards A-Spec points total.

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I find this amusing, because I did this test and increased my A-spec points 1000 in 20 min of doing my trick, I will reconfirm with screen shot for proof tonight, Ill bring it up a grand again.

I only didnt go before and after to check the exact totals, but I will run the test tonight, and check before and after.

I have 2500 + A-spec points right now, and only 10 + Driving misions and 78 % complete

When I restarted my game (After loosing my save file, I over powerd the cars in the races and got 1 pt pretty much for each win, I had LIterally 138 A-spec points when I tried this the first time, and got my poinst that way, but I will double check, and post results.

Has anybody received 0 A-spec points ever?

because for what I notice also is that I always get a min of 1, if this is the case there cant be a set limit (unless you will get 1 point in that race only 200 times, & after you get 0, this making the race deliver a max of 200 points, (or what ever the given limit per race would be) and there is a set limit, but if you can get atleast on point every time you race, you can race 1 track 5000000000000 times and get those points, then race the rest of the races in the game and continue to get more points.

Also there is no way to confirm there is a limit before someone hits it, no matter how many points you get per race, there could always be a overlooked detail. Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups.

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posted 04-18-2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miko     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I believe that 10 missions, at 250 points per mission, might explain how you have 2,500 points - maybe?

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posted 04-18-2005 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Smart     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Getting 0 A-spec points is easy... just use B-spec!

There is a maximum number of a-spec points, because your total doesn't go up when you re-run races or missions, unless you actually scoe more points, when it only goes up by the difference.

So if you complete a mission you get 250, but if you complete it again, the game still tells you it's a 250 point race, but you don't get those 250 points added to your total, since you already have those particular points.

If you win a race the first time for 60 points, your total goes up by 60. Win it again for 70 points, and your total only goes up 10, because you already have the first 60 points.

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posted 04-18-2005 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miko     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mr Smart:
There is a maximum number of a-spec points, because your total doesn't go up when you re-run races or missions, unless you actually scoe more points, when it only goes up by the difference.

So if you complete a mission you get 250, but if you complete it again, the game still tells you it's a 250 point race, but you don't get those 250 points added to your total, since you already have those particular points.

If you win a race the first time for 60 points, your total goes up by 60. Win it again for 70 points, and your total only goes up 10, because you already have the first 60 points.


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Alright, time to clarify this A-Spec Point business. I was browsing www.granturismoworld.com (Official GT site for Europe) a few weeks ago and read this, but I neglected to post it and it took me until now to go find it again.

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Gran Turismo World - GTWorld Area - World of GT - 24/09/04:
High scores

Finally (yes, really), there's the newly-implemented high score system. Typically, races in GT have imposed all sorts of race regulations - tyre types, maximum horsepower, etc. - which has restricted the variety of cars allowed to compete in certain events. GT4 omits many of these regulations in favour of a high score system which lets you earn points from successful races based on the vehicle and modifications you use.

Win a race at a disadvantage - driving a 200hp car in a 400hp race, for example - and you'll earn more points than, say, winning the race in a 600hp motor. In effect, this gives you the chance to play through the game as you wish, whether you prefer to progress quickly at the expense of points, or to take the risk and drive at a disadvantage to send your scores soaring.


It's a high-score system. Nothing else. What you decide to do with it is up to you.

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It would also seem that there are a limited number of B-spec points also. I have observed the same thing in B-spec. If you run the same race over and over in B-spec you seem to get fewer points until eventually you get none. I ran a B-spec race where I no longer got any points and 'bob' one easily, so I took some mods off and he picked up a few more points, drop a few mods and gained a few more points. But if I ran the race a second time with no changes, no more B-spec points.

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Actually, I got 4500 + points, and I confirmed that I was wrong, the points dont keep gaining, it says you won the points but nothing changes in your point count, SIGH, Im still not sure that it will say 0 after you reached max points for a given race, but even if it says a number, Im sure it wont do anything.

There is a max for A-spec points in each race

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It warms my hart when someone says there wrong..these points..seam to be a joke I have won 200 point races..but lost a one point race..."05" mustang vs "05" GT at nuenburg...sure thats not spelled right..I had about 600 hp in the tang..embarrassing...yes..but it can happen..and some of the factory races were like 60 points races and i was getting killed till I tuned in 30 point races???? I think it was a good idea..but not sure you can use it as any real gage..

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In some of the manufacturing races I used Nitrus for the cheap win. In those the Nitrus did not make me lose many Aspec points, but it let me walk away with a win with no effort (I could drive an awful line and still win a 2 lap race by more than 10 seconds).

It seems to be that Nitrus is a big advantage without much Aspec penalty.

Where as doing anything that modifies you power to weight kills off those points real quick... (or softer tires I noticed).

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It warms my hart when someone says there wrong.


I'm not sure if it's the same thing, but you're welcome to come hang out at my house if you want. My wife tells me I'm wrong at least 5 times a day (15 on weekends). You're heart will be close to boiling over by the time you leave.

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