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FaultyMario
May 21st, 2015, 09:16 PM
Rain seems to have spiced up the most anticipated 2015 qualifying session of The "Let's try and manage your deltas" Championship.

FaultyMario
May 21st, 2015, 09:30 PM
Yes, you must be this (¬) tall to step on Saint Devote or Beau Rivage.

FaultyMario
May 22nd, 2015, 08:05 PM
Self appointed judges judge more than they have raced.

Anybody did the motorsport.com GPDA survey yet?

XHawkeye
May 23rd, 2015, 09:39 AM
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Kimi crash at Sainte Devote (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602044031649087488)

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Kimi Raikkonen is now the only driver (https://twitter.com/f1fanatic_co_uk/status/602130651995770881) who's been beaten by his team mate in every qualifying session this year. #F1

XHawkeye
May 23rd, 2015, 09:40 AM
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[ Niki Lauda & Gerhard Berger ]

XHawkeye
May 23rd, 2015, 09:42 AM
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#Verstappen in the barriers (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602046688551903232)#F1 #MonacoGP via @Mattzel89

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Watch Kimi Raikkonen's #MonacoGP practice crash video in 4K quality: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/05/23/raikkonen-crash-interrupts-final-practice/ … #F1 #F1F

XHawkeye
May 23rd, 2015, 07:55 PM
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you are a legend (https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/602176488830558209) @F1Thommo - mega shot. Thx @GettySport

FaultyMario
May 24th, 2015, 06:20 AM
Lewis is such a drama queen.

FaultyMario
May 24th, 2015, 06:38 AM
"It's sports, not a tragedy. It's the missed penalty shot, the last-minute field goal, the downguard on the final round".

XHawkeye
May 24th, 2015, 07:51 AM
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At last, the worlds most famous eyebrows meet. Just wondering, has Cara just eaten a wasp sandwich? Cheer up love..

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It's these skid (https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/status/602357435274264576) blocks on the plank that create the sparks

XHawkeye
May 24th, 2015, 07:53 AM
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#KimiRaikkonen - #Ferrari (https://twitter.com/f1_old/status/602325332193103872) SF15-T Ferrari 059/4
2015 #MonacoGP #F1 #Formula1

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.@Briatore with his wife Elisabetta Gregoraci (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602439392771317760) and son Falcon Nathan Briatore at the #MonacoGP #F1

XHawkeye
May 24th, 2015, 07:55 AM
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Keke (https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/status/602428167542964224)

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Mika (https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/status/602428217463549952)

XHawkeye
May 24th, 2015, 07:55 AM
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One-off historic helmet designs for the #MonacoGP are no more. Here's a few of the best: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/02/18/in-pictures-great-one-off-f1-helmet-designs/ … #F1

Blerpa
May 24th, 2015, 08:00 AM
Drama Queen? If I'd be him I'd demand the head of whoever made that giant insane mistake served on a silver tray.
Meanwhile Nico Rosberg confirms himself as the new Webber. Disgrace all around.

Btw... Alonso lightly shunts Hulkenberg: 5 seconds penalty. Ricciardo pushes out Raikkonen: no penalty. Way to go stewards. Retarded to nth levels.
Either it is a race accident (which surely was in the first case, could have been or not in the second case) or it isn't. Get your rules and judgement sorted, fucktards.

XHawkeye
May 24th, 2015, 08:00 AM
Fernando breaks down (https://twitter.com/GrandPrixDiary/status/602459306915721216) in the same place twice in two days. At least it's not far to walk back to the garage.

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One of the stupidest (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602468671047467008) calls in #F1 history.
#MonacoGP

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The moment #Hamilton (https://twitter.com/F1Photographer/status/602493228143751168) lost the #F1 #MonacoGP......

Freude am Fahren
May 24th, 2015, 08:23 AM
Yeah, really stupid call. Even if the VSC went out, you knew the SC proper was going to go out immediately. As strange as it is to even do both, they should have known.

LHutton
May 24th, 2015, 10:46 AM
Definitely not one for a Foster's commercial.

overpowered
May 24th, 2015, 11:39 AM
Another bad pit stop call by Merc costs one of their drivers a win.

McLaren finally manages a few points.

Kvyat finally has more points than anyone on Toro Rosso.

Freude am Fahren
May 24th, 2015, 01:20 PM
Some weird stuff going on at the end with the Red Bulls. Seemed like Kvyat had to let Ricciardo go under the condition that the Aussie could get past the guys in front, and if he couldn't, it was agreed he'd like Kvyat back by?

FaultyMario
May 24th, 2015, 01:31 PM
I'd demand the head of whoever made that giant insane mistake

Like I said, I'd expect behavior like that only in Monza or Interlagos.


Meanwhile Nico Rosberg confirms himself as the new Webber.

I was not aware Webbo shared any records with Hill Sr., Prost and Senna.


And yes, stewarding has been shit since at least Canada last year.

FaultyMario
May 24th, 2015, 01:36 PM
... you knew ... was going to... should have known...

Only your typical sporting event missed opportunity, no need to throw a tantrum or kick stage props, right?

IMOA
May 24th, 2015, 04:20 PM
Some weird stuff going on at the end with the Red Bulls. Seemed like Kvyat had to let Ricciardo go under the condition that the Aussie could get past the guys in front, and if he couldn't, it was agreed he'd like Kvyat back by?

Yes, thats pretty much exactly what they did. Kvyat let Dan through so he could attack for a podium but when that didn't work he gave the place back. Very good teamwork imo.

With the accidents I only saw each of them once and in both cases I was on the racing incident side of things with Dans looking the worse of the two. What I read is the stewards said that alonso lost the rear under braking and pushed wide and thats why he got a penalty and kimi left the door somewhat open then closed it too late and thats why dan didn't get one. Ultimately even if Dan got one and alonso didn't the result would have been exactly the same.

I'm not sure how mercedes managed to fuck up that pitstop call, surely at some point in the exchange someone, anyone, the fucking cleaner, should have stood back and said 'hang on, this is really fucking dumb, keep him out'.

My opinion of Nico continues to drop, completely outdriven all race, teammate gets screwed by a team call and he carries on like it was drive of the century. Complete douche.

Freude am Fahren
May 24th, 2015, 04:24 PM
Unfortunately NBC in the US cut off all the post race right after Lewis got out of the car, but the only quotes I saw from Nico were pretty humble and saying how Lewis was clearly better all week and should have won.

LHutton
May 25th, 2015, 04:08 AM
Like I said, I'd expect behavior like that only in Monza or Interlagos.



I was not aware Webbo shared any records with Hill Sr., Prost and Senna.


And yes, stewarding has been shit since at least Canada last year.
Hill Sr., Prost and Senna didn't have their record handed to them.

Fogelhund
May 25th, 2015, 06:21 AM
I have to say I thought both Hamilton and Rosberg handled themselves very well in the post race interviews. Hamilton was far from a drama queen, basically saying they would handle things behind closed doors, and wouldn't throw anyone under the bus. Congratulated Rosberg on the win. Rosberg was humble, kept saying he got lucky, how good Hamilton had been all weekend... frankly I thought it was handled great.

LHutton
May 25th, 2015, 07:43 AM
I have to say I thought both Hamilton and Rosberg handled themselves very well in the post race interviews. Hamilton was far from a drama queen, basically saying they would handle things behind closed doors, and wouldn't throw anyone under the bus. Congratulated Rosberg on the win. Rosberg was humble, kept saying he got lucky, how good Hamilton had been all weekend... frankly I thought it was handled great.
I think Lewis showed real maturity on track too. The Hamilton of 5 years ago, in the same circumstances, would have chanced a rash overtake and stacked it. The Hamilton of today decided that he wasn't realistically going to get past 2 cars in 7 laps at Monaco and that 3 points wasn't worth risking 15 and the championship lead for. Sucks to be only 10 points ahead when he should be 27 ahead though.

XHawkeye
May 25th, 2015, 03:18 PM
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That was close!! (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602776780886388736) Kvyat and Seb at the start of the MonacoGP! #KissMeBaby

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How close are photographers (https://twitter.com/f1writers/status/602783212402843648) to action/cars in Monaco? That close! #TouchTheCar

overpowered
May 25th, 2015, 10:08 PM
It was interesting to see the Red Bulls come in ahead of everyone except the Mercs and one Ferrari. It was their best showing of the season. Is it reasonable to assume that they have good down force and that's the reason they were so good here? They've been getting beaten by Toro Rosso at some tracks, with the same engine.

By the same token, Williams had their worst showing of the season, which would seem to suggest that their down force is not very good?

Freude am Fahren
May 26th, 2015, 07:19 AM
Could be a real good chassis with good mechanical grip, which Red Bulls usually have, along with pretty good aero. I'm not sure their aero is up to their usual standards this year though.

Also the lack of power from the Renault probably makes it more driveable out of the slow corners :lol:

Crazed_Insanity
May 27th, 2015, 09:24 AM
It seems Mercedes' extra power probably ended up rendered all other Mercedes powered cars less drivable? Surely surprising to see Williams drop down like that... Honda's ability to remap their engine to increase drivability ended up allowing them to score their 1st points... So power is definitely not needed on this track.

But when back to real tracks like Canada, surely the Mercedes powered cars will be near the top again.

BTW, why is Berger looking as old as Lauda? Mika OTOH looks almost exactly the same as before! People sure age differently.

Freude am Fahren
May 27th, 2015, 09:57 AM
Williams has said all season (and last actually) that they are down on downforce. But they should have a good run coming up. Canada is next, they should be good, but I think they also have some rear mechanical grip problems (bad aero+bad rear mech. = last a Monaco). Austria is one to look forward to I think as well.

XHawkeye
May 29th, 2015, 09:31 AM
http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2015/05/will-real-sportsman-please-stand-up.html

overpowered
May 29th, 2015, 08:29 PM
I didn't realize that the pit stop was initially Hamilton's idea after the team initially told him to stay out. The team stupidly went along with it. Still, Hamilton needs to share a big chunk of the blame for that.

Blerpa
May 30th, 2015, 05:47 AM
He just asked if they shouldn't... I can't see much blame to be put on him: in modern F1 the drivers are quite at loss on the track with the whole behind the backstage thing engineers are doing.

FaultyMario
May 31st, 2015, 05:53 AM
You are a Hamilton apologist, Angelo.

Mercedes as a team, driver included, lost the race. He first acted, in front of the media, like it was all on the team's shoulders. Big talent, small brains.

Blerpa
May 31st, 2015, 08:16 AM
You are an Hamilton detractor, Mario :D

overpowered
May 31st, 2015, 10:49 AM
Mercedes as a team, driver included, lost the race. He first acted, in front of the media, like it was all on the team's shoulders. Big talent, small brains.Yep.

Control: Safety car. Safety car. So we are staying out.
Hamilton: Are you sure it's the best thing to stay out? These tires have lost all their temperature. Everyone wants to be on options now.
Control: OK. Copy. Copy. Box. Box.

I think it's shared blame.

IMOA
May 31st, 2015, 02:13 PM
As someone who thinks Hamilton is a tool to say that he shares the blame because when sitting in a car he asked 'are you sure?' to a group of strategists with timing screens is really fucking dumb. This isn't a drying track where the driver has a major input into whether they can go to slicks, this is a safety car situation where the timing screens are what matters and the team has the call. Hamilton is a wanker but his team fucked up massively here and the blame sits entirely with them.

overpowered
May 31st, 2015, 05:50 PM
The thing is, he followed that with "These tires have lost all their temperature" implying that the tires were getting bad.

IMOA
May 31st, 2015, 08:46 PM
They were losing temperature and they were getting bad!

overpowered
May 31st, 2015, 08:54 PM
I'm sure that they were, but I suspect that Nico and Vettel were in the same boat, and even when you're significantly faster than the guy in front, which they weren't, and even if their tires were a little better, which they probably weren't, passing at Monaco is fucking hard. Nobody who had less than a 25 second lead over the next car should have even begun to think about pitting under the VSC. Hamilton only had 19 seconds and he knew that as well as the the crew.

FaultyMario
June 1st, 2015, 09:09 PM
I think Nige handled it better afterwards when Williams did their usual strategy cockup, when was it, 91?

IMOA
June 1st, 2015, 10:28 PM
I'm sure that they were, but I suspect that Nico and Vettel were in the same boat, and even when you're significantly faster than the guy in front, which they weren't, and even if their tires were a little better, which they probably weren't, passing at Monaco is fucking hard. Nobody who had less than a 25 second lead over the next car should have even begun to think about pitting under the VSC. Hamilton only had 19 seconds and he knew that as well as the the crew.
He didn't know the gap at all and he thought that the other two had pitted



I think Nige handled it better afterwards when Williams did their usual strategy cockup, when was it, 91?

Probably because Nigel asked for the stop because he was convinced he had a puncture.

Crazed_Insanity
June 2nd, 2015, 10:28 AM
Didn't realize he was ready to park the car when he realized he can't win. What a sore loser.

Anyway, is it possible that they actually made no mistake and it just wasn't his race to win? If it were all that clear that Hamilton's tires could last the rest of the race, surely the team isn't stupid enough to entertain Hamilton's inquiry? As race leader, you just aren't sure what others will be doing...

If it were Senna, he'll probably stay out with tires with no traction and still manage to keep a train of f-1 cars behind him. This is Monaco Lewis. If you cannot keep people behind you in Monaco, you don't deserve to be a champion! :p I highly doubt Senna would pit even if the team were to call him to come in under similar circumstance.

I'd place more blame on Hamilton than the team.

People loved Senna because he is a true driver's champ even when the team delivers lousy cars. But I guess when team delivers a great car and Senna is way ahead of the rest of the field, sometimes he'll end up in the wall because he's bored... :p

Anyway, I'm sure Lewis will bounce back. Hopefully he'll be a bit more matured too.

Kchrpm
June 2nd, 2015, 12:01 PM
To me it will always be unfair to complain because any person is not as good at something as "the best ever."

It reminds me of when Top Gear did a standing mile (IIRC) between a Bugatti Veyron and a McLaren F1. The McLaren F1 lost, "confirming that the fastest car in the world is faster than another car."

So yes, Hamilton was not as good as Senna would have been in that moment. But Senna was "the best," so why should it be held against someone that they are not as good as the best?

FaultyMario
June 2nd, 2015, 02:55 PM
Hamilton and maturity, We've been waiting far too long for them to get acquainted.
He comes across like such a nice person, but then he bangs the douchebag bell with a sledgehammer.

I know drivers are competitive, and cocky, and a little bit of mama's boys. But still, Lewis is such a sore loser. Out of the whole grid, I think the only people I'd like to spend time with are Dan or Hulk, the rest of them, they're so above it. Fucking tossers, the lot of them; Pérez, Maldonado, Grosjean, Lewis, Rosberg... they seem to be the worst offenders.

IMOA
June 2nd, 2015, 04:06 PM
Didn't realize he was ready to park the car when he realized he can't win. What a sore loser.

Anyway, is it possible that they actually made no mistake and it just wasn't his race to win? If it were all that clear that Hamilton's tires could last the rest of the race, surely the team isn't stupid enough to entertain Hamilton's inquiry? As race leader, you just aren't sure what others will be doing...

If it were Senna, he'll probably stay out with tires with no traction and still manage to keep a train of f-1 cars behind him. This is Monaco Lewis. If you cannot keep people behind you in Monaco, you don't deserve to be a champion! :p I highly doubt Senna would pit even if the team were to call him to come in under similar circumstance.

I'd place more blame on Hamilton than the team.

People loved Senna because he is a true driver's champ even when the team delivers lousy cars. But I guess when team delivers a great car and Senna is way ahead of the rest of the field, sometimes he'll end up in the wall because he's bored... :p

Anyway, I'm sure Lewis will bounce back. Hopefully he'll be a bit more matured too.

I can't believe I'm being put into a position where I have to defend Hamilton but there's some complete rubbish in thsi

No, Hamilton was not ready to park the car when he realised he couldn't win, that discussion/event took place after the race (still childish but not as bad as you've made it out to be)

They made a mistake, they thought he had enough space for a stop, they fucked up. What they were concerned about was Vettel pitting and being left on tyres which they couldn't get heat into, on Friday this had occurred and they were losing 6-8 seconds a lap, this was the concern. No driver will 'overrule' a a call from the wall in this position, I'm really amazed that people think any driver would do so in this position.

When Senna crashed in '88 he did not radio the team, he did not return to the pits, he walked home to his apartment and refused to answer the phone until the next day while the team were trying to figure out what the fuck happened and where the fuck he was. Just, you know, some perspective. And if you think Senna would have overruled a call from pitwall in a situation like that I reckon you have a very poor understanding Senna and F1.

FaultyMario
June 2nd, 2015, 10:51 PM
Mercedes' tires:

Do they still have issues managing them like they had in '13 except their engine is so dominant it helps them mask it? or has the need to not race all out put an end to that handicap?

Crazed_Insanity
June 3rd, 2015, 08:48 AM
IMOA, I read that from a blog post xhawkeye posted. If Hamilton never contemplated parking the car, then the author better apologize for making such a statement in his blog. However, it seems even you know about such 'contemplation' post race... so this must not be complete fiction. Point is that it is a childish behavior/thought...

Anyway, maybe Senna would park his car too in that situation because he thinks he's born to win? Senna is also known for his un-sportsman like behaviors as well. For his particular disappearing incidence, at least I find it understandable... he was just so embarrassed for such a mistake... that was completely Senna's fault! It was a foolish mistake on track and childish behavior to just run away. But oh well. Main difference is that Senna wasn't intentionally crashing/parking his car.

For sure I have limited knowledge of F-1. I'm just a fan, not an expert strategist for races... This particular incidence, it wasn't a call from the pit. They jointly agreed to a pit stop. Forget legendary drivers..., if I were the driver leading and I don't believe I need a pit stop to finish and win the race, I'd definitely defy the team's call to pit. If drivers can ignore team orders, why couldn't they ignore team's call to pit? If in the end the driver made the right decision and won the race, what will the team do about it? Fire the winner?

There's gotta be mutual trust between team and driver. Obviously this kind of ignoring orders can't happen consistently. However, I was just saying on Monaco street circuit... unless I know for sure I can't finish the race, no way I'd pit as race leader. Those type of gambles should be for those chasing.

Mercedes for sure fucked up too. If Vettel is the concern, Rosberg should be the man altering strategy to match rather than risking the race leader's lead.

Anyway, that's the problem with running 1st and 2nd, you can't never predict what backmarkers will be doing. ;)

Both the team and Hamilton doubted themselves. So they lost.

Just out of curiosity, assuming Hamilton's concern is legit, Vettel also changed his tires and became super fast... How was he expecting to pass the slowpoke Rosberg with Vettel pressuring him on his tail? Does he expect Rosberg to move out of the way? Thank God Mercedes wasn't dumb enough to pull both of them into the pits.

Crazed_Insanity
June 3rd, 2015, 09:29 AM
To me it will always be unfair to complain because any person is not as good at something as "the best ever."

It reminds me of when Top Gear did a standing mile (IIRC) between a Bugatti Veyron and a McLaren F1. The McLaren F1 lost, "confirming that the fastest car in the world is faster than another car."

So yes, Hamilton was not as good as Senna would have been in that moment. But Senna was "the best," so why should it be held against someone that they are not as good as the best?

Anyway, I wasn't trying to do a direct comparison actually... mainly to say that I don't believe ANY race leader at Monaco should be worried about back markers switching tires and then end up faster than you... of all the tracks on calender, this one should be pretty easy to block people. IMHO anyways...

Reynard
June 3rd, 2015, 05:14 PM
IMOA, I read that from a blog post xhawkeye posted.

I guess you didn't watch the race. That blog never stated it was during the race and if you watched it you would've seen it was after the race had finished he stopped to pout. Honestly, compared to past Lewis, I thought he did tone down his tantrum antics more then I expected. Still didn't like it, I can't stand racers who are the epitome of easy going when they're on top of the world but are sore losers when they have a bad day but it appears to me at least he's trying to mature... it's just that some do so much faster then others. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hzdsuicVTM

FaultyMario
June 4th, 2015, 05:51 AM
I believe that yes, had Hamilton come out ahead of Vettel, Rosberg would have been told to move out of the way.

Tom Servo
June 4th, 2015, 07:29 AM
Out of the whole grid, I think the only people I'd like to spend time with are Dan or Hulk, the rest of them, they're so above it. Fucking tossers, the lot of them; Pérez, Maldonado, Grosjean, Lewis, Rosberg... they seem to be the worst offenders.

Oh, come on. Kimi would be, by far, the best to spend time with. I'd just be laughing my ass off every time he talked and you know the booze would be flowing freely.

FaultyMario
June 5th, 2015, 12:02 AM
He's turned it down a lot since.

Godson
June 14th, 2015, 07:43 PM
Drama Queen? If I'd be him I'd demand the head of whoever made that giant insane mistake served on a silver tray.
Meanwhile Nico Rosberg confirms himself as the new Webber. Disgrace all around.

Btw... Alonso lightly shunts Hulkenberg: 5 seconds penalty. Ricciardo pushes out Raikkonen: no penalty. Way to go stewards. Retarded to nth levels.
Either it is a race accident (which surely was in the first case, could have been or not in the second case) or it isn't. Get your rules and judgement sorted, fucktards.

This. Complete bullshit on that call. Lewis got screwed by his team. Nico is a twat.