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Rare White Ape
August 13th, 2015, 11:58 PM
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/33/1439234367-iua5038-bs0050-x1199-4k-pub-001386-v02.jpg

I think it's time we had a thread dedicated to this movie, as hype is starting to warm up.

New pictures (below) of the characters are beginning to be released on various places, and aaaaalllllll of the merchandise will be unleashed on Septermber 4th.

Captain Phasma

http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/t31.0-8/s960x960/11886136_997468196971751_1425532902461927994_o.jpg

Kylo Ren and First Order stormtroopers

http://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/11235340_997468226971748_5428358547716341179_o.jpg

This guy might be General Hux

http://scontent-hkg3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/11882369_997468213638416_1495573399782440276_o.jpg

Poe Dameron

http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/t31.0-8/s960x960/11872135_997468420305062_764012293639788410_o.jpg

Finally, Beebop and Rocksteady

http://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/t31.0-8/s960x960/11864742_997468436971727_8513975925387589763_o.jpg

Jason
August 14th, 2015, 01:05 AM
MY BODY IS READY

Yw-slayer
August 14th, 2015, 03:10 AM
Star Trek for life over the overrated Cold War allegory.

Kchrpm
August 14th, 2015, 05:02 AM
Go start a thread for Star Trek Beyond, then, and leave us be!

Yw-slayer
August 14th, 2015, 08:09 AM
Star Wars is fine. It's just overrated.

Anyway, so this Episode VII business.

Crazed_Insanity
August 14th, 2015, 08:29 AM
I dunno, I love both Wars and Trek. I just think the recent works of JJ Abrams are wonderful but I wish he would use a bit less lens flare/glare. Let me watch the freaking scene clearly!!!! :mad:

Alan P
August 14th, 2015, 08:42 AM
Have you seen the comic con teaser BTS video? I'm on the iPad so linking is a PITA but it hit me right in the feels. Cannot wait! Going to do IMAX for this one I think and that'll be a first!

Bloody iPad auto correct!

Yw-slayer
August 14th, 2015, 08:43 AM
I hope you meant IMAX rather than Internet Messaging Access Protocol. ;)

Cam
August 14th, 2015, 08:45 AM
The new Star Wars is like Windows 10. I want to try it and I want it to be great. Alas, I'm hesitant to get on board just yet. :p

tigeraid
August 14th, 2015, 08:53 AM
I was under the impression that the bare-metal storm trooper was Captain Phasma, and it's a woman. Played by Gwendoline Christie.

Kchrpm
August 14th, 2015, 09:04 AM
I was under the impression that the bare-metal storm trooper was Captain Phasma, and it's a woman. Played by Gwendoline Christie.

Correct, General Hux is the first guy, Captain Phasma is the female bare-metal trooper.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/fullcredits/

thesameguy
August 14th, 2015, 09:30 AM
The new Star Wars is like Windows 10. I want to try it and I want it to be great. Alas, I'm hesitant to get on board just yet. :p

Intellectually I feel like TFA is going to at least be fun if not good. However, Ep 1-3 ripped out the part of me that cares about Star Wars. To murder a pop culture quote, TFA may be as good as pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I won't see the filthy motherfucker.

drew
August 14th, 2015, 12:09 PM
I'm wondering when the Star Wars BSG morph will happen, with the bare-metal trooper/Cylon.


#conspiracyfuckyeah

novicius
August 14th, 2015, 05:59 PM
Everything I've seen about SW:TFA is *so* back-asswards and turned around and straight loco that it just makes me surly. :down:

2ndMoparMan
August 14th, 2015, 06:34 PM
I may pass on this. I've read so much of the extended universe that to have all that thrown out as non canon really, REALLY bugs me.

Jason
August 15th, 2015, 04:43 AM
I may pass on this. I've read so much of the extended universe that to have all that thrown out as non canon really, REALLY bugs me.

If superhero fans felt the same way they'd never watch any superhero movie ever. Keep the extended universe as one canon, enjoy the movie universe as another canon. :)

Yw-slayer
August 15th, 2015, 05:38 AM
Or as Universe-9999999999.

tigeraid
August 15th, 2015, 06:05 AM
I may pass on this. I've read so much of the extended universe that to have all that thrown out as non canon really, REALLY bugs me.

I'm much the same way. I lived those books all the way up and past the Yuuzhan Vong war to the very last books. It's gonna be super, super hard to tear myself away from it and forget it all ever happened. Which sucks, because I was always under the understanding that Lucas himself considered the books official canon and signed off on each one as it went. :(

Kchrpm
August 15th, 2015, 06:52 AM
If superhero fans felt the same way they'd never watch any superhero movie ever. Keep the extended universe as one canon, enjoy the movie universe as another canon. :)

This.

What does it matter if it's official canon or not? You enjoyed reading the books, right? You felt emotions and learned or reinforced life lessons, that's what's important, not how "real" it is or was or will be.

Yw-slayer
August 15th, 2015, 07:08 AM
Yeah, just LET IT GO, LET IT GO!!!!

sandydandy
August 15th, 2015, 10:36 AM
I'm trying to get excited about this...but just can't. :(

MR2 Fan
August 15th, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nostalgia is a difficult thing to capture and re-package for everyone to enjoy it...especially childhood nostalgia.

EP VII will have an advantage though, it doesn't necessarily has to be as good as 4-6, just a lot better than 1-3 with enough of proper references to the original trilogy...I mean Luke, Leia, Han Solo and Chewie are back for this, that's plenty of references already.

MR2 Fan
August 15th, 2015, 12:31 PM
In other Star Wars news, and although I know most of you here aren't interested in theme parks like I am, it is important IMO to note that Disney just announced a massive new Star Wars themed land for Anaheim and Orlando.

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.fr/2015/08/star-wars-lands-officially-announced.html

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/loaloauk/dlp%20encounter/New%20album%2055/8_15_WDI_003.jpg~original
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/loaloauk/dlp%20encounter/New%20album%2055/8_15_WDI_001.jpg~original
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/loaloauk/dlp%20encounter/New%20album%2055/8_15_WDI_002.jpg~original

sandydandy
August 15th, 2015, 02:21 PM
^^ Now that's worth getting excited about. :cool:

Alan P
August 15th, 2015, 02:58 PM
http://youtu.be/CTNJ51ghzdY

Full screen, HD are mandatory.

thesameguy
August 15th, 2015, 03:36 PM
Anaheim? Where the hell are they going to put it?! Underground?

Freude am Fahren
August 15th, 2015, 07:24 PM
Simon Pegg is in it?

The359
August 15th, 2015, 07:28 PM
Simon Pegg is in it?

Cameo, hes playing an alien so you likely wont see him.

Freude am Fahren
August 15th, 2015, 07:41 PM
Yeah, I googled it right after posting. He also has been 'consulting,' being a screenwriter, big fan, and friend/frequent collaborator of Abrams.

Meanwhile, in a sequel far, far away...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-16/star-wars-rogue-one-crew-released-disney-makes-d23-announcement/6700712

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11894626_962227090485283_7926102987247455323_o.jpg

Yw-slayer
August 15th, 2015, 11:54 PM
OK, now I am morer interested in Ep VII. Rogue One looks interesting. I hope Donnie Yen shows off some mad skillz.

KillerB
August 16th, 2015, 12:54 AM
Anaheim? Where the hell are they going to put it?! Underground?

I'm assuming at this point that Disney bought the city of Buena Park and are bulldozing it to make space.

MR2 Fan
August 16th, 2015, 02:33 AM
In Anaheim they just purchased property across the street to re-locate several backstage things behind Disneyland, in anticipation of putting the Star Wars stuff at the back of the park....and probably removing a few existing attractions also.

Crazed_Insanity
August 16th, 2015, 07:59 AM
My 3 yr old daughter is constantly begging us to take her back to Disneyland, but just wasn't motivated enough... on top of the current ticket prices, really have no desire to go there.

However, this new theme certainly has brought forth New Hope!!! Perhaps annual pass is in order! :D

MR2 Fan
August 16th, 2015, 12:11 PM
Truthfully though, it is going to be 4-5 years before we see this completed.

Jason
August 16th, 2015, 07:05 PM
I've heard rumors for a long time that Disney was going to replace ToonTown with Marvel and/or Star Wars... so I'm assuming it's just Star Wars then? Maybe California Adventure will get Marvel stuff at some point?

Yw-slayer
August 16th, 2015, 07:39 PM
Toontown! I think what would rake it in is repurposing it as the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Jason
August 17th, 2015, 02:37 PM
I've always really enjoyed ToonTown visually, so I'd be sad if it went away haha

I say they should find a way to expand near tomorrow land, personally, but I'm unsure if the geography allows.

Rare White Ape
August 17th, 2015, 11:31 PM
I don't know whether to put this here or the Lego thread, but big old leaks abound of things 'n' stuff relating to TFA toys.

http://www.fbtb.net/2015/08/15/force-awaken-set-images/

Rare White Ape
September 3rd, 2015, 01:07 AM
Hello.

A whole day of watching other fucks opening toys.

BUY ALL THE THINGS


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OkEpkwC4E

Freude am Fahren
September 3rd, 2015, 07:31 AM
I thought, that is so lame. Then I skipped randomly to the Millennium Falcon quad copter...

Rare White Ape
September 5th, 2015, 01:40 AM
So I uhhh couldn't resist and blew a bunch on a Sphero BB-8 droid… because I wanted one.


http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=-1Y2WfcCb4M

Cost me AU$250 or US$150 or about €10.

Or half an Xbox One, or one sixtieth of a 2nd-hand Ducati Streetfighter in good condition with a loud exhaust which I'm trying to save up for.

It's honestly one of those toys that comes along once every 15 years and slaps everyone on the face, like Tickle Me Elmo but times a million.

Buy one now and see the future.

overpowered
September 14th, 2015, 09:38 AM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12004729_976552725698441_6745576788958122963_n.jpg ?oh=a483583da1bb021ed26d1fc4127de7e6&oe=566A17F9

overpowered
September 14th, 2015, 09:39 AM
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11218863_1051678081509406_427604775395630924_n.jpg ?oh=dce3cfa32ef78c5c8eb88ab48a5e257c&oe=56A1C4A9

2ndMoparMan
September 14th, 2015, 10:17 AM
Tech-heresy in the name of the Omnissiah!

Freude am Fahren
October 19th, 2015, 07:56 PM
Trailer was released today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE

MR2 Fan
October 19th, 2015, 08:02 PM
oooooohhh......aaaaaahhh

One thing that was interesting was the millennium falcon jumping to light speed felt very JJ Abrams Star Trek :P

Crazed_Insanity
October 19th, 2015, 08:08 PM
Wow! Can't wait...

But what happened to Luke Skywalker? You heard his voice in earlier trailers..., but not anymore. Even the official posters doesn't include him. What gives? Probably killed in Episode 6.5?

Yw-slayer
October 19th, 2015, 09:00 PM
That looks cool.

Rare White Ape
October 20th, 2015, 02:43 AM
It’s true… all of it. The Dark Side, the Jedi… they’re real.

Jason
October 20th, 2015, 03:48 AM
Wow! Can't wait...

But what happened to Luke Skywalker? You heard his voice in earlier trailers..., but not anymore. Even the official posters doesn't include him. What gives? Probably killed in Episode 6.5?

Luke's probably the metal handed guy with R2-D2.

Yw-slayer
October 20th, 2015, 04:25 AM
Maybe Luke IS the evil dude.

Freude am Fahren
October 20th, 2015, 09:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq8OlwdJ2po&feature=youtu.be&t=30s

Hmm, short urls and timecodes don't work, so skip to :30.

Crazed_Insanity
October 20th, 2015, 10:14 AM
Aw man..., don't tell me Luke Skywalker has turned to the dark side?

So I wonder if the girl is her daughter or perhaps the black dude is his son?!?!? He not only turned to the dark side, but was produced a black son? They just have a family history of turning black I guess! ;)

Wait, don't tell me in the end that the black dude and the white girl are twins!

JJ Abram wouldn't be this dumb would he?

Kchrpm
October 20th, 2015, 10:16 AM
Black dude could be Han's son from a previous wife. Yes, Han had a black wife.

http://io9.com/the-new-in-canon-star-wars-comic-just-did-something-co-1708709628

PS I cried watching the latest trailer. Then watched it again and cried again.

Crazed_Insanity
October 20th, 2015, 11:24 AM
Hmm..., that's an interesting bit of info...

That you're such a cry baby! :p

sandydandy
October 20th, 2015, 11:42 AM
I'm a little more interested after seeing the trailer...even felt a little shiver run through me.

Crazed_Insanity
October 20th, 2015, 12:58 PM
It's the power of the music. I'm sure if it weren't for John Williams' score, Star Wars and lots of other movies wouldn't be as big as they were...

MR2 Fan
October 20th, 2015, 01:44 PM
It's the power of the music. I'm sure if it weren't for John Williams' score, Star Wars and lots of other movies wouldn't be as big as they were...

I agree with this, especially worse if it was Danny Elfman

Crazed_Insanity
October 23rd, 2015, 09:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIRoASL90EI

This is for Kchrpm! Supercut of all the trailers combined into one! Have your tissue box ready! :p

Kchrpm
October 23rd, 2015, 09:11 AM
Not gonna watch it! :D

JSGeneral
October 23rd, 2015, 11:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23B8yscxvY0

Even better... here is a side-by-side of Monday's trailer... and John Boyega (Finn) watching it for the first time.

Yw-slayer
October 23rd, 2015, 11:49 AM
Not enough tissue??

Crazed_Insanity
October 23rd, 2015, 12:03 PM
What the fuck is wrong with him? It's like he doesn't know who he's playing in the movie?

Perhaps he's just been holding on to a wooden stick and stuck inside a green room most of the time?

MR2 Fan
October 23rd, 2015, 12:20 PM
What the fuck is wrong with him? It's like he doesn't know who he's playing in the movie?

Perhaps he's just been holding on to a wooden stick and stuck inside a green room most of the time?

that's possible

Alan P
October 23rd, 2015, 05:16 PM
It's also very different doing it in front of the camera, the scenes will be very disjointed, some reshoots as well. He could have been doing the opening scenes one week, shot something towards the end of the film on Friday, then the next week it's all the combat and stunt work in one week. I'd imagine actors get very disjointed and confused about the actual film at times.

Rare White Ape
October 23rd, 2015, 11:47 PM
It's hard to put across how exciting it is to see the stuff you helped make come out as a finished product on-screen.

I've been there, and that was just a film with The Rock in it. You put in months with all of your life and energy and... everything, doing 50-60 hour weeks and basically living the script every day. I was just a lowly set dresser. Watching a 15 minute rough-cut reel with outtakes with 90% of the cast and crew on wrap day was absolutely awesome. Definitely the best day at work I've ever had.

But this is fucking STAR WARS man. I can't visualise an emotion of that magnitude. Boyega gets to swing a lightsaber on screen against a Sith Lord and look completely fucking bad-arse while doing it. I can guarantee that he wouldn't have seen any of that with the special effects in a very close to completion state.

And that music. Han and Leia's theme, re-jiggered for the new film. It's so... I dunno.

I'd jump over the couch as well.

Jason
October 24th, 2015, 02:32 AM
That fan cut is God damn beautiful.

MR2 Fan
October 24th, 2015, 05:06 AM
It's hard to put across how exciting it is to see the stuff you helped make come out as a finished product on-screen.

I've been there, and that was just a film with The Rock in it. You put in months with all of your life and energy and... everything, doing 50-60 hour weeks and basically living the script every day. I was just a lowly set dresser. Watching a 15 minute rough-cut reel with outtakes with 90% of the cast and crew on wrap day was absolutely awesome. Definitely the best day at work I've ever had.

But this is fucking STAR WARS man. I can't visualise an emotion of that magnitude. Boyega gets to swing a lightsaber on screen against a Sith Lord and look completely fucking bad-arse while doing it. I can guarantee that he wouldn't have seen any of that with the special effects in a very close to completion state.

And that music. Han and Leia's theme, re-jiggered for the new film. It's so... I dunno.

I'd jump over the couch as well.


I've been in a film with John Goodman in it...spent 3 weeks "shooting" as an extra, which was actually sitting around doing nothing for 90% of the time....not much CGI in 1992 though, so what we shot was mostly what was on-screen. The movie was called "Matinee" and I'm in the background of several scenes :)

Rare White Ape
October 26th, 2015, 12:20 AM
Star Wars TFA spoiler compendium. Read at your peril.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByQR6taehVh7MUdKLWdLRUx5eG8/view?pli=1

MR2 Fan
October 27th, 2015, 04:46 PM
The original trilogy gets a modern Force Awakens style trailer and the results are EPIC!!

http://io9.com/this-force-awakens-style-trailer-with-original-trilogy-1738515607

MR2 Fan
October 29th, 2015, 09:31 AM
so the media is going crazy asking where's Luke Skywalker...

I have a theory based on no real information.

I think Luke dies either in something we'll see before the timeline of the current movie, OR he dies during the movie.

My speculation is based on the image we saw of him looking old, with a beard in some kind of booth probably to digitize his image...meaning we might see him as a ghost, like the other Jedi in previous films.

Crazed_Insanity
October 29th, 2015, 11:24 AM
I think it's obvious now that Luke has not only died, but turned dark. Such great disturbance is what caused to force to wake the fuck up!

As to why he turned, they probably have to make something up that's interesting and convincing. Hope it's not because he couldn't bang his sister and got jealous of Solo... However, there must be some love stories to tell considering the rise of the new generations.

JSGeneral
November 6th, 2015, 06:20 AM
New footage... :up:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdAUiyeJMFQ

Crazed_Insanity
November 6th, 2015, 09:43 AM
What is wrong with them showing different trailers around the world?!?!?!

Anyway, still awesome!

BTW, it's so odd to see all the tie fighters, x-wings, Millennium Falcon, star destroyers roaming or lying around on various planets instead of having 'stars' as back drops. May have to rename the series to Planet Wars! :D

21Kid
November 6th, 2015, 09:47 AM
The terminal cancer patient got to see an advanced screening of it.

Crazed_Insanity
November 6th, 2015, 10:05 AM
That's another awesome for them! JJ Abraham seems to answer a lot of last requests with his films... :up:

Jason
November 6th, 2015, 12:22 PM
JJ Abrams kills fans with movies, confirmed.

JSGeneral
November 13th, 2015, 04:08 AM
More new footage... :up:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6rNlK_Rjnc

Crazed_Insanity
November 13th, 2015, 08:36 AM
What the heck?!?!? Wrong music!!! :p

overpowered
November 23rd, 2015, 10:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsb9ZTmbSKQ

Rare White Ape
November 23rd, 2015, 10:34 PM
JJ Abrams kills fans with movies, confirmed.

That was just to ensure that he keeps up his end of the NDA.

MR2 Fan
November 27th, 2015, 02:26 PM
so, um, theory that Jar Jar was actually the secret Sith Lord...until Lucas chickened out with the reveal:

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w

Yw-slayer
November 28th, 2015, 03:13 AM
Talk about TLDR.

21Kid
December 14th, 2015, 01:29 PM
The Despecialized Edition
(I'm sure most people already know about this)

Watch the Original Star Wars Trilogy As It Was Before George Lucas Screwed It Up (http://lifehacker.com/watch-the-original-star-wars-trilogy-as-it-was-before-g-1747927284)

But, with the help of many dedicated fans and video editors, an originaltrilogy.com forum user named Harmy decided to recreate the original, unaltered trilogy in high definition.

The Despecialized Edition is a “fan preservation”, aiming not to create a new version of the movie, but to restore the original trilogy exactly as it was in the 70s and 80s—little flaws and all. To recreate the original 1977 version of A New Hope, for example, he used clips from:

The 2011 Blu-Ray edition
An HDTV broadcast of the 2004 Special Edition DVD
A low quality version of the original trilogy from the special features of the 2006 DVD, affectionately called George’s Original Unaltered Trilogy (or the “GOUT”)
Various scans of 70mm and 35mm film prints and still images from the films
With the help of many other originaltrilogy.com members, Harmy took bits and pieces of the above sources and edited them together with the Blu-Ray footage to recreate the theatrical version of the movie—in 720p HD. Watch the video above to see how it was put together—it really is fascinating.

MR2 Fan
December 14th, 2015, 04:47 PM
The Despecialized Edition
(I'm sure most people already know about this)

Watch the Original Star Wars Trilogy As It Was Before George Lucas Screwed It Up (http://lifehacker.com/watch-the-original-star-wars-trilogy-as-it-was-before-g-1747927284)

Darn, and I've been here watching them in SD on dailymotion

overpowered
December 14th, 2015, 04:51 PM
I actually still have it on laserdisc, but the discs (and the player) have been in the garage since the last time I moved.

overpowered
December 15th, 2015, 07:47 PM
Massive star wars spoiler.

http://i.imgur.com/7xc3hat.jpg

Rare White Ape
December 15th, 2015, 11:53 PM
FUCKING HILARIOUS

Anyway, speaking of spoilers, TFA is only hours away from public consideration. Our weird-speaking friends in New Zealand will be able to watch it in about two hours, and they'll be able to tell us if the new Stormtroopers can actually shoot or whether Han shot Luke's dad first.

As such, I declare this thread to be a full spoiler zone from this post on.

So I suggest you don't come back unless you've seen the film. If you want a no-spoiler TFA discussion, well, there are other places for that and there's probably some other people that might care about it. I don't!

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/han-solo.jpg

Freude am Fahren
December 16th, 2015, 08:06 AM
Yes. Especially since I probably wont see it for a long while.

Cam
December 16th, 2015, 09:52 AM
Spoil it for me so I don't have to go see it.

Random
December 16th, 2015, 10:01 AM
Spoil it for me so I don't have to go see it.

*pew pew* EXPLOSION *neeeooowwww* EXPLOSION *pew pew*

Cam
December 16th, 2015, 11:25 AM
Dude, that's episode IV. :rolleyes:

Freude am Fahren
December 16th, 2015, 02:38 PM
[lens flair]*pew pew* EXPLOSION *neeeooowwww* EXPLOSION *pew pew*[/lens flair]

thesameguy
December 16th, 2015, 02:43 PM
Yep, bring it.

Cam
December 16th, 2015, 03:33 PM
[lens flair]*pew pew* EXPLOSION *neeeooowwww* EXPLOSION *pew pew*[/lens flair]
I KNEW IT!

Alan P
December 16th, 2015, 06:24 PM
Seeing it tomorrow night. At least have the decency to put any pertinent plot points in spoiler tags. General reviews and opinions are OK though.

thesameguy
December 16th, 2015, 06:37 PM
I heard this movie has an unfunny number of Star Wars references in it.

overpowered
December 16th, 2015, 08:03 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1232863456740351

Crazed_Insanity
December 16th, 2015, 11:37 PM
We will remember the twin stars that he blew up...

Rare White Ape
December 17th, 2015, 03:35 AM
Seeing it tomorrow night. At least have the decency to put any pertinent plot points in spoiler tags. General reviews and opinions are OK though.

Nope. Just don't come back to this thread.

Rare White Ape
December 17th, 2015, 03:44 AM
So anyway, I've gotta say that Rey is probably the best new character to enter the SW universe since Lando. She is all levels of fucking awesome. I can't wait to see where she goes.

Which is good since

SPOOIIOOOOOIIOOOOIIIUUOILER (you have been warned)

they killed off the last best character. That took real guts on the part of the production team.

Is she Kylo Ren's (AKA the new film's whiny Anakin role) sister? Only time will tell.

I'll put the non-spoilery stuff at the end: TFA is a solid five out of five and JJ and the team did a splendid job. I'll be seeing it again this weekend.

Rare White Ape
December 17th, 2015, 04:00 AM
Another thing I loved is they way the story arced it's way from small beginnings (mostly regarding Rey's character) and slowly pushed closer towards the Resistance from a perspective of knowing nothing (similar to Luke's introduction to the wider world) rather than what they did with Episode I where it starts with two Jedi who are already in a place of higher understanding.

The interesting part is that both storylines take place in a universe that we know really well, but the way the writers play with your expectations is on a totally different scale.

overpowered
December 17th, 2015, 12:17 PM
http://toyland.gizmodo.com/sneak-better-refreshments-into-a-star-wars-screening-wi-1748384670

overpowered
December 17th, 2015, 01:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpDcVvTTCHM

Cam
December 18th, 2015, 04:30 AM
I am very disappointed in the lack of spoilers. I was forced to read the plot summary on Wikipedia.

thesameguy
December 18th, 2015, 08:41 AM
There's a plot?

drew
December 18th, 2015, 01:06 PM
I leaned over to Steph at the bridge scene, and made a guess what I thought would happen next. Go figure. I knew someone had to die.


That said, I was hoping the last scene would be a REAL shock ending with someone getting cut in half.

Drop mic, cut to black.

But, oh well.

But, I liked it, a lot. I will admit when the "lucasfilm" logo and the scroll started, I felt like I was 10. It was awesome.

Kchrpm
December 18th, 2015, 02:23 PM
Watched it a second time. Still good. Might see it again tomorrow if a young lady is still able to go (it was her idea!)

GB
December 18th, 2015, 07:14 PM
I liked it. All in all, if you like Star Wars, you'll like this movie. It's as good or better than any of the others, but with better acting and better directing.

The two big questions:

1: What is Lor San Tekka's backstory (Max Von Sydow's character), and how did he get the "thumb drive" with the piece of the map on it?

2: Who are Rey's parents? Why was she "abandoned" (hidden?) on Jakku?

Phil_SS
December 19th, 2015, 06:16 AM
I thought it was really good. I loved the new characters. The dialogue was well done and the use of practical effects and sets made a huge difference. So much so I wish EP1 thru EP3 could be remade using the same method. With better actors, ok maybe just minus Christensen, and minus crap like Jar Jar.

My only minus was the Rebellion blowing up another huge base. I think that is what makes Empire such a great movie. It focuses on the characters. When they stated that if the disabled the power converter it would stop the super weapon I was hoping that's all that would happen, not blowing up the Star Killer Base.

Rare White Ape
December 19th, 2015, 06:24 AM
My initial hypothesis (posted above) was that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter (Ben Solo/Kylo Ren's sister), but I'm shifting that to her being Luke's daughter. I'm thinking that she was hidden or abandoned there when Ben Solo started fucking shit up for Luke's new Jedi academy.

I'm also tipping that she, not Anakin Skywalker, is the chosen one according to the prophecy of the person who brings balance to the force. There's a few reasons for this: firstly, Anakin totally shredded any hope of bringing balance once he became Darth Vader and helped Palpatine exterminate the Jedi, so it wasn't him. Secondly, there's a line by Maz Kanata in the cellar after Rey's force vision explaining that the force unites good and evil, so it's both, not just the light or the dark side. Thirdly, and this is one that takes a lot of thinking about back story that you don't get in the films: the force drives all of the events in the galaxy like some giant puppet master, which explains why Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were sent to Naboo, why their ship just happened to cop a hit in the hyperdrive during their departure back to Coruscant, why they just happened to land on Tatooine and find the boy Anakin, why R2-D2 and C-3PO ended up in the possession of Luke on Tatooine, why he and Kenobi met Solo, why Solo met Leia and had at least one child. The force caused this all to happen. All the way up to why Lor San Tekka was hiding on Jakku with the secret of Luke's location (and quite possibly keeping an eye on Rey the same way Old Ben did for Luke on Tatooine), why BB-8 ended up in the possession of Rey, why the Millenium Falcon just happened to be parked on the edge of the village she lived near…

It's all the work of the force, and it's just playing the long game with this whole prophecy thing; first it needed to almost completely destroy the grip the Jedi had on the force to allow the Sith to expose themselves and be beaten. Next is the transition phase presided over by Luke Skywalker, which ended when Rey finally met Skywalker on that island in the ocean (the same island that Kylo Ren found in Rey's thoughts when he tried to read her mind). But before this could happen, the force had to test Luke by creating Kylo Ren, when he is defeated (I would say turned back to the light by Rey and Luke and Leia), only then will Luke and Rey be strong enough to complete her training for her to beat Snoke. Luke also just didn't 'run away'. He went there to train more, confer with his own masters Yoda and Ben and his father, and keep an eye on proceedings like Yoda did himself.

And to wrap up my hypothesis, just look at how powerful Rey is with zero training. She got more powerful by the minute during her time in the hands of the First Order. Far more powerful than both Anakin or Luke. She defeated an apprentice of the dark arts in a light saber battle just by focusing for a bit and letting the force flow through her. What she will do in time (or by the end of Episode IX) is unite the light and the dark into one discipline and finally bring true balance to the force.

GB
December 19th, 2015, 02:06 PM
^ That's pretty good. :up:

Cam
December 19th, 2015, 02:25 PM
I think you're over-thinking it.

Jason
December 19th, 2015, 03:53 PM
They certainly dropped lots of hints that she's a Skywalker of some sort.

Which then starts making me paranoid that it's a smokescreen :o

Alan P
December 19th, 2015, 04:09 PM
Seeing as there was no mention or even a flicker of recognition when Rey met Leia (Whoa) I don't think she's related to KR, Han or Leia at all. Therefore it's likely she's related to Luke in some way. Having said that, as Anakin found out and was told, a Jedi should remain celibate so unless he did a bad thing then it's possible she's just attuned to the Force more than anyone else. Please, just don't test her for Midichlorians whatever you do.

I suspect she was a student of Luke's and was present when the whole Kylo Ren thing went down as you can see her in the flashback when she was much younger when she was probed by KR looking for the map. It's probable that Luke knew she was actually more powerful than KR so hid her away on Jakku to prevent anyone from finding her.

Also some conjecture about the Lightsabre 'calling' to her. It appears it's the original Lightsabre that originally belonged to Anakin, given to Luke by Kenobi on Tattooine. That one was blue and lost at Cloud City when Vader cut his arm off. Quite how it got there is indeed 'a story for another time'.

Overall I really liked it, but it did appear to be much like a reboot of Ep. 4. I also liked the fact that the Stormtroopers were shown as an instrument of fear and destruction. Throughout 4, 5 and 6 they were a bit, well, weedy really.

Rare White Ape
December 19th, 2015, 06:16 PM
^ That's pretty good. :up:

Thanks GB :)


I think you're over-thinking it.

Yep! I definitely am.

But you're talking to the biggest Star Wars nerd on the forum (as far as I can tell, I am) and I've seen TFA twice now. I spent a lot of time reading Star Wars expanded universe novels as a kid, and this book in particular really got me drawn into the back-story of the whole thing:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQhgNycF9hyDy538VPoMVRjbdkutIOY vs-dySrypUEbiXMHMkb

I had it for a precious two weeks from the local library back in 1998, after the SW marketing machine was restarted with the Thrawn trilogy, but before the shit-fest of the prequels, so it presented Star Wars in its purest form. I read it almost cover-to-cover.

It's all junk info now that Disney threw out the expanded universe, but many of its lessons are still evident here in TFA. Why was Kylo Ren wearing a helmet that weighed a ton, and why was he punching his blaster wound and dropping blood in the snow? It's because those two things brought pain and discomfort, which allowed him to tune himself better with the dark side. Why does he need to do that? It's because he's not dark enough to be a true dark lord of the Sith (notice he's not called a Sith Lord at any time in the film) and Leia is right in that there is still good in him. How do I know this? Because I learned this about the force in that book 17 years ago! It's little hints and details that I love picking on in Star Wars films.

Another one, but this may be more of a film metaphor than a proper Star Wars lore hint: on the bridge with Han Solo and the others looking on from the high platform to the left of screen, there was a ray (Rey) of light beaming down to the centre where Solo was talking to his son just at the moment that the young man was having his light side conflict moment. As soon as that was extinguished we see Kylo Ren come back and grip his lightsaber hilt harder, before thrusting the blade into the elder Solo's chest. That may come back stronger in the next two films.

Fuck I seriously need a girlfriend.

Leon
December 20th, 2015, 12:32 AM
Watched.

Enjoyed a great deal.

Will watch again.

Probably won't over think though :)

sandydandy
December 20th, 2015, 03:51 PM
I watched it last night. I guess "WOW!" is the only appropriate way to sum it up. Really looking forward to the next two movies.‎

Han's death left me in a state of shock. It didn't sink in until later in the evening. It was sad, but I guess necessary, to elevate Kylo Ren's character. I was also shocked when Coruscant was destroyed. Shit.‎

MR2 Fan
December 20th, 2015, 05:19 PM
I just watched it....quite enjoyable, though I'm not the biggest Star Wars geek out there.

Daisy Ridley is very good looking, and her acting was very well done. I do wonder what her back story is as far as her parents.

Also, I have a question about people with the power of the force...were most of them expected to become Jedi if they were found to have the force? I mean Leia has it, right? but seems like she's never used it.

Han's death or something where he wouldn't be in the next film wasn't surprising to me, he's just getting too old IMO for these movies.

I thought Kylo Ren was whiny, just like his grandfather and it really is never explained why he went to the dark side very well....Anakin had a lot of bad things happen, but Kylo Ren had nothing specifically mentioned. I hope we hear more about that in the future.

Overall I think some more info about what happened between Ep 6 and 7 would have been nice.

Alan P
December 20th, 2015, 05:36 PM
I really wouldn't be surprised if Ford said to JJ I'll come back, but just for this movie. You gotta kill Han off.

Kchrpm
December 20th, 2015, 06:19 PM
MR2-
I'm sure the reason for the turn will be detailed later, my guess is he was seduced by being the most powerful being in the universe and all that entails.

Not everyone with Force powers is trained. Remember, Anakin wasn't going to be trained because he was too old as a boy. And/or Leia just had no interest in living the life associated with training/gaining those powers.

Leon
December 20th, 2015, 09:39 PM
MR2-
I'm sure the reason for the turn will be detailed later, my guess is he was seduced by being the most powerful being in the universe and all that entails.


Bacon?

Rare White Ape
December 20th, 2015, 10:29 PM
MR2-
I'm sure the reason for the turn will be detailed later, my guess is he was seduced by being the most powerful being in the universe and all that entails.

Not everyone with Force powers is trained. Remember, Anakin wasn't going to be trained because he was too old as a boy. And/or Leia just had no interest in living the life associated with training/gaining those powers.

The story is this:

Pre-Empire, if a force sensitive being was born within the jurisdiction of the Republic, they would have been found at a young age (probably by testing for midichlorians!) and offered training to become a Jedi. Anakin Skywalker was born on Tatooine, which has never been part of the Republic, and was not discovered until later in life when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan found him.

Luke and Leia weren't uncovered as force sensitives either but I haven't ever thought about why. It's not much of a stretch to imagine that the Imperial government would have found force sensitives at birth and done some nasty Nazi-esque shit to them. Maybe some serious force juju by Kenobi to protect Luke, and for Leia, who was a member of the Imperial senate for Alderaan, hiding in plain sight… dunno. Forged documents perhaps? You can't hide that from Palpatine.

Rare White Ape
December 20th, 2015, 10:35 PM
I was also shocked when Coruscant was destroyed. Shit.‎

That wasn't Coruscant. It was the Hosnian System.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_system

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 03:45 AM
...Also some conjecture about the Lightsabre 'calling' to her. It appears it's the original Lightsabre that originally belonged to Anakin, given to Luke by Kenobi on Tattooine. That one was blue and lost at Cloud City when Vader cut his arm off. Quite how it got there is indeed 'a story for another time'...

That's what got me thinking the most.

Because if they found the lightsaber... then they found Luke's hand as well. The empire has proven in past movies that they have clone tech available to them. And that big bad leader sure looks like a genetic experiment gone wrong. If the leader of the First Order is a bastard clone of Luke... and seduced Luke's best pupil to the dark side... that might of been enough of a trigger for Luke to go into hiding. It would also explain why the First Order has placed finding Luke as priority number one.

All in all, it was a great movie. 3D was excellent as well. Can't wait to see it again.

Rare White Ape
December 21st, 2015, 04:23 AM
Good thinking there JSG.

I just so happens that there was a cloned Luke in the old expanded universe. His name: Luuke Skywalker.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuke_Skywalker

21Kid
December 21st, 2015, 05:14 AM
A++ movie, would watch again. I had goosebumps as soon as the music queued up.
My initial hypothesis (posted above) was that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter (Ben Solo/Kylo Ren's sister), but I'm shifting that to her being Luke's daughter. I'm thinking that she was hidden or abandoned there when Ben Solo started fucking shit up for Luke's new Jedi academy.
That's what I thought too. She had a lot of similarities to Han. But, neither he nor Leia said a damn word to her and didn't seem to know who she was. So, I'm thinking she's Luke's daughter. If they do turn out to be brother/sister, I'd be pretty upset that the lack of emotion by the parents was merely to have a gotcha moment later. :|

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 05:29 AM
A++ movie, would watch again. I had goosebumps as soon as the music queued up.
That's what I thought too. She had a lot of similarities to Han. But, neither he nor Leia said a damn word to her and didn't seem to know who she was. So, I'm thinking she's Luke's daughter. If they do turn out to be brother/sister, I'd be pretty upset that the lack of emotion by the parents was merely to have a gotcha moment later. :|

I agree with the Rey Skywalker theory. I also think that Max Von Sydow's character was there to train, mentor and protect Rey. Rey knew her father was a Jedi... she was waiting for his return. Max Von Sydow was there with the information of Luke's location, doing his best impression of Old Ben Kenobi... and would be giving that information to Rey when she was ready. The idea of Max Von Sydow training Rey is a bit of stretch... but I think it ties nicely to explaining how Rey was able to do so much Force shit. I don't think it was her first rodeo at trying out all of those Jedi techniques. Also explains how she was able to get the upper hand on Kylo when he told her that she needed training in the Force... it seemed to me she reacted as if that helped her recall some training. She relaxed, Force'd up, and kicked his ass.

As a side note... I really enjoyed the lightsaber action in this movie. It seemed believable. Longer duration fights showed the opponents tiring and struggling. I liked that new twist.

I think the big gotcha moment is gonna be if we find out Finn is Lando's son. (That's just my wishful thinking.)

Rare White Ape
December 21st, 2015, 05:46 AM
Finn would be one of Lando's many sons, I'm thinking. He's got that allure about him that women just can't resist.

'Taken from a family that [he] never knew'?

Naw. He's the son of a whore who offered cheap booty to a drunken Calrissian one lonely night, and gave him up for adoption into Stomtrooper ranks.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/80/8064151f1b44658b7cf55324191c31964b9f4a36f604e266ce 1981e8cb055dff.jpg

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 06:13 AM
That's what got me thinking the most.

Because if they found the lightsaber... then they found Luke's hand as well. The empire has proven in past movies that they have clone tech available to them. And that big bad leader sure looks like a genetic experiment gone wrong. If the leader of the First Order is a bastard clone of Luke... and seduced Luke's best pupil to the dark side... that might of been enough of a trigger for Luke to go into hiding. It would also explain why the First Order has placed finding Luke as priority number one.

All in all, it was a great movie. 3D was excellent as well. Can't wait to see it again.

He does kind of look like the cloners, but... you know... injured and old... now that you bring it up... maybe the supreme leader is an evil Kaminoan(?), and he used the clone tech to clone Luke. But for whatever reason Rey ended being a lady instead!

DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 06:16 AM
I agree with the Rey Skywalker theory. I also think that Max Von Sydow's character was there to train, mentor and protect Rey. Rey knew her father was a Jedi... she was waiting for his return. Max Von Sydow was there with the information of Luke's location, doing his best impression of Old Ben Kenobi... and would be giving that information to Rey when she was ready. The idea of Max Von Sydow training Rey is a bit of stretch... but I think it ties nicely to explaining how Rey was able to do so much Force shit. I don't think it was her first rodeo at trying out all of those Jedi techniques. Also explains how she was able to get the upper hand on Kylo when he told her that she needed training in the Force... it seemed to me she reacted as if that helped her recall some training. She relaxed, Force'd up, and kicked his ass.

As a side note... I really enjoyed the lightsaber action in this movie. It seemed believable. Longer duration fights showed the opponents tiring and struggling. I liked that new twist.

I think the big gotcha moment is gonna be if we find out Finn is Lando's son. (That's just my wishful thinking.)

I think it's less that she was trained, but more that she read/heard a lot of stories about the Jedi, and very much believed in the force (for whatever reason, maybe a childhood memory of a family member being a jedi), and that being a force user is more about believing than it is about skill.

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 06:51 AM
I think it's less that she was trained, but more that she read/heard a lot of stories about the Jedi, and very much believed in the force (for whatever reason, maybe a childhood memory of a family member being a jedi), and that being a force user is more about believing than it is about skill.

Talking about skill...
Stopping and holding a freaking laser beam in mid air!!!

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 06:54 AM
That was pretty fucking awesome. I kept expecting someone to be forced into it.

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 07:12 AM
I agree with Jason, I don't believe she's had any formal training or even really believed that the Force was real, she had just heard stories. She was learning that you have to quiet your mind and give in to what the Force is telling you, letting it flow through you rather than you trying to do things yourself.

Re: the timing of R2 waking up: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens


Abrams says he chose to spell this out indirectly in the movie because he didn’t want the story to get bogged down in “how s–t happened 30 years ago.”

“But the idea was that in that scene where R2 plugged in, he downloaded the archives of the Empire, which was referenced by Kylo Ren,” Abrams said. Thirty-eight years later, in both our own and galactic time, that data becomes useful in The Force Awakens when a new droid approaches the dormant R2.

“BB-8 comes up and says something to him, which is basically, ‘I’ve got this piece of a map, do you happen to have the rest?’” Abrams said. “The idea was, R2 who has been all over the galaxy, is still in his coma, but he hears this. And it triggers something that would ultimately wake him up.”

--------------

So for those let wondering: BB-8’s earlier question rattles around inside R2’s dome for a while. Those old astromechs must just take a while to boot up again.

Then as the movie draws to a close, our old friend finally comes back – and leads us to another one.

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 07:15 AM
I think she believed the force was real before finding out she was force sensitive (or whatever you want to call it). Kind of like someone believing in an obscure religion, and then all of a sudden finding out that religion is actually really real.

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 07:17 AM
R2D2 Awakens.... The Force Awakens

Not coincidence think I.

Crazed_Insanity
December 21st, 2015, 08:53 AM
The gotcha moment is going to be R2D2 telling C3PO "I am the Force" and then have C3PO translating it to whatever Jedis standing next to them. :p

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 09:12 AM
Dig the movie. Going to see it again on Tuesday. :up:

I feel like people's comments are neglecting to mention that Kylo Ren's loss to Rey could also be due to the fact that 1.) he'd just fended off Finn's rage-fueled attack, and 2.) he had recently been shot by Chewie's Bowcaster. So within the narrative of the story, those elements could have understandably weakened Kylo to the point where an otherwise experienced hand-to-hand fighter like Rey would be able to win.

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 09:24 AM
Dig the movie. Going to see it again on Tuesday. :up:

I feel like people's comments are neglecting to mention that Kylo Ren's loss to Rey could also be due to the fact that 1.) he'd just fended off Finn's rage-fueled attack, and 2.) he had recently been shot by Chewie's Bowcaster. So within the narrative of the story, those elements could have understandably weakened Kylo to the point where an otherwise experienced hand-to-hand fighter like Rey would be able to win.

[Bangs rib cage... Thump Thump THUMP!] Good points Novi. Kylo Ren is a bad-ass and is a fearsome, super-strong opponent. It was a team that brought him down, and Rey was just the last piece. Still, she did some heavy lifting to do this.

Though does any of what we witnessed throughout the movie verify that Finn is Force-sensitive... or is he the luckiest common in the universe? That orange-fem-yoda seemed okay with him using it. I thought it was accepted fact that any normal person using a saber would end up slicing them self up accidentally. I mean, he wasn't flawless... but he did seem to have a handle of it.

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 09:26 AM
I think Chewie's shot likely had more to do with it. He shouldn't have had such a hard time with Finn, who was seemingly only really proficient with a blaster, and had never been in live combat.

But the fact that his master didn't berate him when he lost, or basically at all, makes me think he knows that Kylo is highly untrained.

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 09:32 AM
I thought it was accepted fact that any normal person using a saber would end up slicing them self up accidentally.
That idea is only really mentioned in the no-longer-canon novels, from what I remember. Realistically (I use that term loosely, in this case), a normal person wouldn't use a lightsaber because they wouldn't be able to use it defensively against a ranged opponent (you need Jedi reflexes to block shots), so they'd get eaten up the first time they come up against someone with a blaster at a distance.

In theory Finn (and all the stormtroopers) could have been (and should have been) trained in multiple forms of combat, so he could have been trained similarly to the guy with the blaster/electric tonfa hybrid with the presumption they'd eventually run into someone using a lightsaber, even if it wasn't another Jedi.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 09:34 AM
Yes I definitely agree the Bowcaster shot had more to do with Kylo's loss than Finn's attack.

But an angry Finn is a wild and sizable opponent. He also scored a hit, IIRC. Kylo burned more than a few calories putting him down, it looked to me. #teameffort

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 09:41 AM
But an angry Finn is a wild and sizable opponent. He also scored a hit, IIRC. Kylo burned more than a few calories putting him down, it looked to me. #teameffort
Agreed :up:

Phil_SS
December 21st, 2015, 09:49 AM
Dig the movie. Going to see it again on Tuesday. :up:

I feel like people's comments are neglecting to mention that Kylo Ren's loss to Rey could also be due to the fact that 1.) he'd just fended off Finn's rage-fueled attack, and 2.) he had recently been shot by Chewie's Bowcaster. So within the narrative of the story, those elements could have understandably weakened Kylo to the point where an otherwise experienced hand-to-hand fighter like Rey would be able to win.

If I'm Kylo and I have Force holding powers, like he did with Poe (On Jakku) and Rey (In the forest), I would use it every time. But maybe the bowcaster shot had weekend him enough that he couldn't use his ability as much as possible. Which is also the reason why Rey was able to Force grab the lightsaber away from Kylo.

Which as others mentioned, why Snoke mentioned he needs to be brought to him to finish his training. He still has light side of the Force in him and he needs to extinguish it and only feel the rage of the dark side. Thus increasing his powers. Aka, why the Emperor had Force lightning and Vader didn't.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 09:51 AM
But the fact that his master didn't berate him when he lost, or basically at all, makes me think he knows that Kylo is highly untrained.
I've thought about this and I really don't think this is the case -- because Jedi Master Luke Skywalker.

The Wookiepedia doesn't state Kylo Ren's age at the time he began the Jedi Massacre of Luke's first wave of students (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_massacre). But I doubt it was when he was overly young. Additionally, there is a pic there that seems to imply that Kylo was an adult and leading the evil Knights of Ren, FWIW. (Also, the actor Adam Driver is 32 years old, again FWIW.)

I'd say that Kylo Ren is at least a competent swordsman, if not above-average. He probably is pretty low on the "Who Would Win In A Fight Between Mighty Mouse and Superman" scale but I think it's wrong to say that he's highly untrained.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 10:17 AM
If I'm Kylo and I have Force holding powers, like he did with Poe (On Jakku) and Rey (In the forest), I would use it every time. But maybe the bowcaster shot had weekend him enough that he couldn't use his ability as much as possible. Which is also the reason why Rey was able to Force grab the lightsaber away from Kylo.
Well we're warring with J.J. Abrams uneven direction, in some cases. :lol:

But Kylo seemed calm when he was wielding the Force the strongest, caught the blaster shot, forcibly reading minds, etc. While when hunting Rey and fighting Finn he was injured, dazed at times and emotional. So maybe his lack of concentration resulted in him not being as potent a Force-user?



Aka, why the Emperor had Force lightning and Vader didn't.
If Knights of the Old Republic taught us anything, it's that each Force-user could spend their perks differently. ;) :lol:

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 10:19 AM
If Knights of the Old Republic taught us anything, it's that each Force-user could spend their perks differently. ;) :lol:
Comment of the Day :up:

MR2 Fan
December 21st, 2015, 10:29 AM
[Bangs rib cage... Thump Thump THUMP!] Good points Novi. Kylo Ren is a bad-ass and is a fearsome, super-strong opponent. It was a team that brought him down, and Rey was just the last piece. Still, she did some heavy lifting to do this.

He is?? I didn't get that sense at all, he seems weaker at the force with training, than Rey with no training and that when she was strapped down (heh)

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 10:33 AM
No Force user has shown the ability to freeze and hold a blaster bolt before. Vader deflected them with his hand, but that's it.

I think, like Carlo said, his Force powers were distributed in certain ways and they were very raw. It's also possible that Rey is just SUPER powerful.

21Kid
December 21st, 2015, 10:34 AM
I just downloaded that game on my phone. :lol: My how technology changes.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 10:38 AM
He is?? I didn't get that sense at all, he seems weaker at the force with training, than Rey with no training and that when she was strapped down (heh)
Kylo Ren < Rey? Dubious.

You don't feel that the movie does a good job of setting the bar of Kylo's power? He certainly has incredibly fine control of the Force (catching a bolt of plasma mid-air and holding it, dissecting people's memories without scrambling their brains).

Isn't it more apparent that he was gassed from fighting both Finn & Rey, injured from Chewie & Finn, and caught by surprise when he lost the Force-wrestling match with a re-awakened Rey, no?

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 11:01 AM
Some additional details, answers and facts in this article. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/33-questions-we-desperately-want-answered-after-star-wa-1748953034?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow#_ga=1.177478054.2013195729.1 428361501)

Like I didn't catch that young Obi-Wan, old Obi-Wan and Yoda were among the voices that say "Rey" at the end of her Force flashback/flashforward. :up:

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 11:04 AM
Let's not forget how strong Chewie's bowcaster is. It is (presumably purposefully for this scene) established repeatedly that it packs an extremely powerful punch. Everyone else that is hit by it is not only killed, they are sent flying backwards. If a surface around them is shot, the blast knocks them off their feet (although Chewie and Han rarely miss). I believe we can accurately extrapolate that the fact Kylo took a direct shot to his abdomen and lived is solely attributable to his connection to, and mastery of, the Force, and it likely took quite a bit of concentration just to keep himself alive.

21Kid
December 21st, 2015, 11:07 AM
:popcorn:

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 11:48 AM
I like how we're debating Kylo Ren vs. Rey when the much more polarizing narrative is the fact that Finn is supposed to be among THE BEST First Order stormtrooper! :D


"These stormtroopers (Finn's squad) will be the finest the First Order has ever produced -- I have overseen their training at every stage, from induction to deployment. This class is exemplary."
That's a line from Star War: Before the Awakening (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens/dp/148472822X) novel that came out a year ago. :lol:

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 12:00 PM
I like how we're debating Kylo Ren vs. Rey when the much more polarizing narrative is the fact that Finn is supposed to be among THE BEST First Order stormtrooper! :D

Only the finest sanitation engineers for the First Order!

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 12:07 PM
:lol: :up:

JSGeneral
December 21st, 2015, 12:20 PM
Finn's profession leads me to my other theory that the reason why he was so scared when he heard the names of the beasts that Han Solo was transporting... was because he had past experience with these dangerous creatures...

Think back to what beasts we've seen in trash compactors before.

Also, Finn putting Phasma down a trash chute definitely builds the foundation for a future rivalry.

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 12:38 PM
Keep in mind that it has only been training. Finn was trained to be an excellent marksman, but upon seeing that his targets were innocent people, and seeing real death on both sides, he lost the nerve. Maybe the soldier that died silently in his arms was his friend from early childhood (they're taken from their families so early they don't know/remember them, so presumably they can make very tight bonds; though he did break them pretty quickly and start killing his former brothers), and that plus his unarmed, innocent targets just made him realize what he was supposed to be and it completely shocked it out of him.

We do see later that he is very skilled, though how much of that is hero luck and how much is skill is up to interpretation.

OVER ANALYSIS YAY

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 12:44 PM
Well yeah Keith that has to be the reason -- that or J.J. Abrams just ok'd Boyega's somewhat comic-relief performance without caring about any of it. #snicker

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 01:12 PM
Can we just all agree that BB8's thumbs up is the greatest?

21Kid
December 21st, 2015, 01:30 PM
:up:

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 01:41 PM
My first impression was a middle finger. I figured BB-8 wasn't happy he was coerced into lying to Rey to cover for Finn. :lol:

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 01:44 PM
:lol: :up:

Hey, that's just his job on the Starkiller, everyone's gotta have a job when not actively in the battlefield!

Kchrpm
December 21st, 2015, 01:57 PM
My first impression was a middle finger. I figured BB-8 wasn't happy he was coerced into lying to Rey to cover for Finn. :lol:

I saw a discussion on that on Reddit, what I like is that it works either way. I see it as BB8 just mirroring what Finn did, or recognizing what it means and saying "ok, whatever, we're in this together." Saying "fuck you for making me do this" also works, and is just as funny. Either interpretation works and is funny, IMO, and that makes it even better.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 04:50 PM
Definitely can see it going either way. ;)

Overall the movie is largely better than I expected. My expectations were in the shitter so that helped. :lol: :up:

MR2 Fan
December 21st, 2015, 05:37 PM
so who's the best leading lady? Leia, Amidala or Rey?

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 06:59 PM
Leia, Rey...

...

..

.

Amidala :lol:

Jason
December 21st, 2015, 07:29 PM
Rey by far.

novicius
December 21st, 2015, 08:15 PM
Huh, really? Which scenes stick out to you as being Daisy's best?

Rare White Ape
December 22nd, 2015, 12:56 AM
In order of hawtness:
Portman


Ridley

Fisher (circa 1977, not 2015 *shudder*)

Jason
December 22nd, 2015, 02:16 AM
Huh, really? Which scenes stick out to you as being Daisy's best?

I just think Ridley is a significantly better actor than Fisher. Fisher is good at being a smart ass, but otherwise feels wooden in her scenes across the series.

JSGeneral
December 22nd, 2015, 03:48 AM
Can we just all agree that BB8's thumbs up is the greatest?

I agree. It was a hilarious surprise when that happened. That droid has real personality. I really enjoyed the character... and think it is the best droid out of all the movies. That might be heresy, but with such an enjoyable new character... it really made C3P0's appearance on the screen seem even staler. After all these years, C3P0 still is a clueless annoyance that everyone treats with ambivalence or disdain. Even the audience.

Did anyone catch how C3P0 got his red arm replaced back to his gold one? In the last scene where the Falcon is flying away and the Resistance is waving goodbye... I think he no longer has the red arm.

novicius
December 22nd, 2015, 04:30 AM
I just think Ridley is a significantly better actor than Fisher. Fisher is good at being a smart ass, but otherwise feels wooden in her scenes across the series.
Wow. :lol:

Daisy was alright, better than Portman. Fisher wooden? Have you even seen the original trilogy?? :lol:

MR2 Fan
December 22nd, 2015, 04:53 AM
Daisy also had the advantage of a script not written by Lucas.

Jason
December 22nd, 2015, 06:54 AM
Wow. :lol:

Daisy was alright, better than Portman. Fisher wooden? Have you even seen the original trilogy?? :lol:

Yes, multiple times. And when she's not being a fantastic smart ass, she's not very convincing at other emotions. In my opinion. I'm allowed to have a differing opinion than you, right?

Freude am Fahren
December 22nd, 2015, 06:59 AM
Are we talking about the character, the acting, or the hawtness? Because they are all different orders.

Acting: Ridley, Fisher, Portman
Appearance: Portman, Ridley, Fisher
Character: This is the tough one, especially given Rey has only had one movie, but I'd probably go Liea, Rey, Amidala, but Rey may prove better in the end.

novicius
December 22nd, 2015, 07:12 AM
Yes, multiple times. And when she's not being a fantastic smart ass, she's not very convincing at other emotions. In my opinion. I'm allowed to have a differing opinion than you, right?
Dude, I'm just poking fun. ;) #assclowningaround

JSGeneral
December 22nd, 2015, 07:19 AM
Dude, I'm just poking fun. ;) #assclowningaround

:BB-8 lighter:

novicius
December 22nd, 2015, 07:29 AM
:lol: Well played! :D

21Kid
December 22nd, 2015, 07:40 AM
Who's working on turning that into a forum smiley? :D:up:

sandydandy
December 22nd, 2015, 08:04 AM
so who's the best leading lady? Leia, Amidala or Rey? Tough call. All three are/were hot, and all were strong characters. I'd have to go with Amidala since she was constantly in a leadership role...and I've always had a thing for Natalie Portman.

Cam
December 22nd, 2015, 05:35 PM
Worst movie going experience ever.

Lori and I went to see it in 3D tonight. The movie started 10-15 minutes late, after a fellow movie-goer went outside the theatre to tell someone. Shortly into the movie, everyone realized it was not in 3D. Aforementioned fellow movie-goer went outside to complain. The movie stopped for three to four minutes then restarted in 3D, but rewound about five minutes. I enjoyed the movie and wanted to enjoy the credits too. The movie just shut off a minute or two into the credits. The crew, including assistant manager, was there waiting to clean up. Lori and I were the last ones in the theatre. I loudly proclaim my disappointment that the movie shut off before it was over. Assistant manager mumbles something, as we're leaving. Lori and I are irate, as are the rest of our fellow movie-goers, who had already asked for compensation for the earlier screw-ups. Assistant manager gives everyone free passes, but urges Lori and I to contact his boss, the manager, to talk about further compensation. While the guy gave free passes, his attitude was kind of bad. "Not my fault." kind of thing. If you're running the joint, friggin' own it. :smh:

Anyway, the movie: Not deleted. :assclown:

Kchrpm
December 22nd, 2015, 05:48 PM
Anyway, the movie: Not deleted. :assclown:

:bb8thumbsup:

overpowered
December 22nd, 2015, 06:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE

Freude am Fahren
December 22nd, 2015, 06:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1232863456740351



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7Ha3VDbzE

These work together.

novicius
December 22nd, 2015, 07:21 PM
2nd viewing tonight: Finn has definitely grown on me. I do wish that he had toned down his Kevin Hart-inspired comedy bits but ignoring those I was able to better appreciate his final duel with Kylo Ren as "Dark Side Acolyte in training" vs. "Top-of-his-class Rookie Stormtrooper".

Also-also, Kylo Ren is not trying to go for a kill shot against Rey during most of their duel. Really looks like he's holding back to me. When he pins her against the suddenly-open chasm, he's still trying to tempt her into joining him.

Rare White Ape
December 22nd, 2015, 11:14 PM
Really looks like he's holding back to me. When he pins her against the suddenly-open chasm, he's still trying to tempt her into joining him.

This could've been a weak attempt by Kylo Ren to enlist Rey as a dark side apprentice and take control of the First Order from Snoke. I wouldn't put a betrayal like that past any dark side Sith type person.

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 03:37 AM
Snoke actually told Kylo to bring her to him, so he may have been doing that.

Jason
December 23rd, 2015, 04:00 AM
She eventually found her own way to him at the end anyways.:twisted:

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 04:36 AM
Yes, because Luke is Snoke.

novicius
December 23rd, 2015, 06:02 AM
:lol:

According to the novelization, Snoke claims to have seen the rise & fall of the Empire. So that would make him at least as old as Vader.

MR2 Fan
December 23rd, 2015, 06:24 AM
:lol:

According to the novelization, Snoke claims to have seen the rise & fall of the Empire. So that would make him at least as old as Vader.

hmm, so did Jar Jar

Freude am Fahren
December 23rd, 2015, 06:31 AM
Okay, so I know there are a ton of books and expanded universe stuff, but can someone clue me in as to where that stuff fits in with this new Sequel Trilogy? I saw a comparison between The Force Awakens the film and the book. Didn't realize there was a book.

MR2 Fan
December 23rd, 2015, 06:32 AM
Okay, so I know there are a ton of books and expanded universe stuff, but can someone clue me in as to where that stuff fits in with this new Sequel Trilogy? I saw a comparison between The Force Awakens the film and the book. Didn't realize there was a book.

I think they said most of it was no longer considered canon

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 06:46 AM
None of the original EU books are canon. Jason showed me a great graphic the other day...

Here's a wiki version: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_books

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 06:51 AM
Courtesy of Jason

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/12/CA_StarChart_12-15-2015-2.jpg

Freude am Fahren
December 23rd, 2015, 08:27 AM
So the TFA book is just a companion that expands on the film?

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 08:31 AM
The novelizations always have been (there was a novelization of the original Star Wars that came out a bit before the movie and was based on an earlier script, so it had a number of differences). The movies trump them in terms of what is canon.

Rare White Ape
December 23rd, 2015, 12:56 PM
My favorite canon is G canon.

Awwwww yeeaaaahhh

Freude am Fahren
December 23rd, 2015, 01:32 PM
I prefer Nikon.

sandydandy
December 23rd, 2015, 01:43 PM
I read that Snoke may be Darth Plagueis, (Palpatine's supposed dead master).

Conman
December 23rd, 2015, 06:15 PM
Pachelbel's canon

Kchrpm
December 23rd, 2015, 07:06 PM
I read that Snoke may be Darth Plagueis, (Palpatine's supposed dead master).

I have heard the same, based on Sidious talking about a Sith that had learned how to cheat death.

overpowered
December 23rd, 2015, 09:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qslJQUMc9yA

overpowered
December 24th, 2015, 10:47 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10207297720512645

Freude am Fahren
December 24th, 2015, 12:09 PM
BTW, did I miss it when I went to the bathroom, or was there no scene with a destroyed Vader mask that's in the previews. I left when everyone was in the "watering hole," getting back before Ren started following the 'voice' to the saber.

drew
December 24th, 2015, 12:36 PM
Yep, you missed it :)

Rare White Ape
December 24th, 2015, 01:55 PM
It was in there for like three seconds. Not much time for such an artifact to be shown on screen, but that's the weird science of story exposition for you.

sandydandy
December 24th, 2015, 04:14 PM
I always thought it was weird that Luke was trying to cremate Vader's robotic armour and helmet.

Alan P
December 24th, 2015, 04:50 PM
Saw it again today with the kids. Poe killed Fin's friend/colleague on Jakku which ultimately was the trigger for him to doubt his indoctrination and turn.

I didn't think Rey was related to Luke but while I'm not sure she's related she was definitely undergoing training and, I suspect, was saved/taken away when she was young. Still not 100% sure why the Lightsaber was calling to her, perhaps it just picked up on someone Force sensitive. It would be so formulaic for her to be his daughter and, TBH, a total cop out.

Kchrpm
December 24th, 2015, 04:57 PM
I'm wondering if Fin's freak out was less because he had any connection to the dying trooper and more because he realized he was risking his life just to enslave/murder innocent people.

novicius
December 24th, 2015, 05:24 PM
Poe killed Fin's friend/colleague
I wonder if this is going to be revealed to Finn in one of the sequels.

Kchrpm
December 24th, 2015, 06:36 PM
You think he didn't know? He saw Poe get captured after trying to shoot Kylo from the same direction with the same gun that shot the trooper.

MR2 Fan
December 24th, 2015, 07:06 PM
BTW, did I miss it when I went to the bathroom, or was there no scene with a destroyed Vader mask that's in the previews. I left when everyone was in the "watering hole," getting back before Ren started following the 'voice' to the saber.

speaking of missing scenes, the part where Kylo Ren activates his lightsaber in the forest was gone....you just hear it in the background, not on screen, anyone else notice this?

novicius
December 24th, 2015, 07:36 PM
You think he didn't know? He saw Poe get captured after trying to shoot Kylo from the same direction with the same gun that shot the trooper.
True, true. I wonder if the novelization can confirm that...

Kchrpm
December 25th, 2015, 02:23 AM
speaking of missing scenes, the part where Kylo Ren activates his lightsaber in the forest was gone....you just hear it in the background, not on screen, anyone else notice this?
That's not that surprising, trailers use different cuts/shots that end up not making it somewhat often.

Rare White Ape
December 25th, 2015, 04:14 AM
There was a fair bit of stuff in the trailers which wasn't included in the film, that was put there on purpose too. Luke's V/O about the force being strong in his family, for one. And on the flipside, shots of Finn wielding the lightsaber but none of Rey. All of it was designed to either throw you off the story to keep the real story a surprise, or add depth to the story in a weird meta sort of way.

Videogame marketing campaigns have become really good at it. Remember ilovebees.com?

MR2 Fan
December 25th, 2015, 06:17 AM
There was a fair bit of stuff in the trailers which wasn't included in the film, that was put there on purpose too. Luke's V/O about the force being strong in his family, for one. And on the flipside, shots of Finn wielding the lightsaber but none of Rey. All of it was designed to either throw you off the story to keep the real story a surprise, or add depth to the story in a weird meta sort of way.

Videogame marketing campaigns have become really good at it. Remember ilovebees.com?

Luke's V/O was actually in Return of the Jedi

Kchrpm
December 25th, 2015, 06:41 AM
I believe the one in the trailer was a re-recording of that speech just for the trailer.

Rare White Ape
December 25th, 2015, 12:54 PM
"The force is strong in my family. My father has it, I have it, my sister has it, you have that power too."

I've just seen an article that says that in an upcoming Disney Infinity level, Kylo Ren says "Face me, cousin" when battling Rey. You can see it for yourself if you're happy to wade through this web page full of ads to see the video:

http://comicbook.com/2015/12/24/reys-identity-possibly-revealed-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens-d/

novicius
December 25th, 2015, 01:03 PM
Heh so are we posting spoilers for all upcoming movies?

Rare White Ape
December 25th, 2015, 02:21 PM
Never mind the post above. Turns out it's just an artefact of video game tech. Ren says "Face me" but that audio clip is interrupted by "Curses" which he says when he cops damage.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/12/no-disney-infinity-is-not-spoiling-star-wars-episode-viii-secrets/

MR2 Fan
December 25th, 2015, 03:58 PM
Wait a sec...why can't Rey be Leia's daughter and not Han's....obviously they're separated, so someone else could have been the father (and hopefully NOT LUKE!)

Yw-slayer
December 26th, 2015, 08:35 AM
It was good.

I reckon Kylo was also weakened in his last major scene by the emotional impact of what had previously happened.

Rare White Ape
December 26th, 2015, 01:07 PM
Nope, it made him more powerful. It was a required part of his training.

Darth Vader became more powerful after his fight with Obi-Wan despite the horrific injuries, and also via Palpatine tricking him into thinking that he killed Padme in his anger (he didn't kill her physically with the force choke, but she did lose the will to live when he turned dark).

Connecting to the dark side requires negative emotions, the stronger the emotions the deeper the connection, and the deeper the connection, the more power they can draw from it.

Rare White Ape
December 26th, 2015, 01:09 PM
I was autocorrected to 'Fatty Vader' before as well. I thought that was pretty funny.

Yw-slayer
December 26th, 2015, 03:55 PM
Yes, but he still had light in him, so he felt well-emo about you know what, and was holding back. Or whatever.

Freude am Fahren
December 27th, 2015, 02:54 PM
How Phasma got her armor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc1__2waAX8

Rare White Ape
December 27th, 2015, 03:41 PM
Haha! I love Capt Phasma. I've got the Lego buildable figure and it's frikkin amazing.

http://www.starwarstoynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/LEGO-Star-Wars-Episode-VII-Captain-Phasma-Figure.jpg

I'm eyeing off a Hot Toys figurine, that'll cost $250US plus shipping. I dunno… Should I get the Spark 1/18 scale Porsche 919 Le Mans winner instead? Or both?

http://www.hottoys.com.hk/productDetail.php?productID=346

Kchrpm
December 27th, 2015, 04:18 PM
Both.

Freude am Fahren
December 27th, 2015, 04:22 PM
Mint Models has the 919 available for pre-order at $200, but Modelissimo will probably be a better deal. Unfortunately, they don't have it listed yet. Shipping is flat rate 29 Euro, so I'm waiting to combine and stock up. For comparison, the 2014 winning R18 by Spark is also $200 at Mint, but only $138 (126 Euro) at Modelissimo. Even with shipping it's less. Just FYI :)

Rare White Ape
December 27th, 2015, 05:42 PM
Yeah thanks that really helps me make a lot of smart financial moves

overpowered
December 27th, 2015, 07:17 PM
https://twitter.com/kyloR3n

overpowered
December 27th, 2015, 08:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1214266505269179

Kchrpm
December 28th, 2015, 10:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mjFfdrTJrQ

thesameguy
December 28th, 2015, 11:25 AM
Update: Still haven't even seen a trailer for this movie.

MR2 Fan
December 29th, 2015, 06:41 PM
It's funny, thinking about it, TFA being a rehash of ANH, is similar to...TRON Legacy being basically a rehash of TRON, complete with the older version of the original character playing the wise man far away, a new girl who's tough, and a guy who is on the journey but doesn't know what he's doing, and another original character who accidentally allowed one of their "creations" to turn evil.

Scary.

Freude am Fahren
December 29th, 2015, 07:01 PM
But where's Daft Punk?

MR2 Fan
December 29th, 2015, 08:23 PM
Wait, what if Rey and Finn are brother and sister and Lando is the father/Leia is the mother? lol

Kchrpm
December 29th, 2015, 08:28 PM
That would explain her excellent aim and smooth talking.

The359
December 29th, 2015, 08:56 PM
So I finally got around to seeing it. Better than the prequels, a good movie in its own right. My only complaints are, I hated how much in-jokes, referencing, and fan service there was ever five minutes or so. I can understand harkening back to older things for the sake of the story, but they just seemed to overdo the obvious nods.

Second thing is, when did we get an indestructable Millennium Falcon? Hitting other objects, hitting the ground hard, dragging itself on the ground, scraping up against other objects, mowing down trees, and in the end everything is fine and the ship's only repairs are for internal mechanisms not working due to old age? Apparently everything on the Falcon is made of adamantium. Except the radar dish. And really the only purpose that sort of stuff served was more CGI jerk-off fests. I would much rather have had some impressive actual flying than crashing and banging its way everywhere and defying simple physics.

MR2 Fan
December 30th, 2015, 12:48 AM
Apparently I wasn't the only one with this theory

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aYepBrO_460s_v1.jpg

Yw-slayer
December 30th, 2015, 01:23 AM
Second thing is, when did we get an indestructable Millennium Falcon? Hitting other objects, hitting the ground hard, dragging itself on the ground, scraping up against other objects, mowing down trees, and in the end everything is fine and the ship's only repairs are for internal mechanisms not working due to old age? Apparently everything on the Falcon is made of adamantium. Except the radar dish. And really the only purpose that sort of stuff served was more CGI jerk-off fests. I would much rather have had some impressive actual flying than crashing and banging its way everywhere and defying simple physics.

Dude, they've got glowing laser swords that can deflect "laser shots" (instead of beams), space magic, and lightspeed. What's wrong with a ship made of adamantium?

The359
December 30th, 2015, 06:32 AM
I think it's just a JJ Abbrams thing, because he did the same sort of stuff with his Enterprise. Going inside atmosphere, being built on the surface, hovering solely on thrusters, etc.

For that matter, the entire Starkiller base attack is a bit naff. If the Falcon could just drop out of hyperspace within the shield, why couldn't the X-Wings? Or even just a bomb? In the original movies they were a bit more cunning and stealthy.

Kchrpm
December 30th, 2015, 06:45 AM
The X-Wings could, except they aren't all as excellently piloted as the Falcon.

Cam
December 30th, 2015, 06:48 AM
C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Han Solo: Never tell me the odds.

Cam
December 30th, 2015, 06:50 AM
I hated how much in-jokes, referencing, and fan service there was ever five minutes or so. I can understand harkening back to older things for the sake of the story, but they just seemed to overdo the obvious nods.
You're surprised? Abrams did the same thing with Star Trek.

As for the Falcon, SPACE MAGIC.

The359
December 30th, 2015, 06:56 AM
No, not surprised, just wishing he had toned it down with this one. I can expect Star Trek to be a bit more cheesy.

Yw-slayer
December 30th, 2015, 07:26 AM
Nah. I expect Trek to be better, and it is.