Things are looking bad for Schumi

[G'day Mate]

Last couple of articles I've read have had phrases like "coma for life" and "won't be Michael Schumacher any more".

He's been in a coma for over two weeks now :(

[Yobbo NZ]

It seems most of those articles have come from speculation,not official sources.
From what I've understood,the longer someone is in a coma,the better off they can be.
There was the sad story of an NZ motorcycle racer in the 70s,Kim Newcombe,died after injuries sustained at a non championship race in England.
Well he didn't actually die due to the injuries,but more so his wife was given (poor) advice to turn off his life support.
Not until a few years later she was told that leaving him in that state could have saved his life. Pretty stink knowing that years later!

[Dicknose]

Longer might be better if it's an induced coma.
But if your brain is mush, the longer you are in the coma the more it points to serious and possibly permanent damage.

Feel for the family.

[Fogelhund]

But Andreas Zieger, a neurosurgeon in Oldenburg, Germany, warns against speculation because it is unknown what injuries Schumacher sustained from his accident in the French Alps .

“Brain injuries are among the most complicated injuries that can happen to the human body,” he told the German newspaper Focus. “Therefore individual predictions about the course and potential complications cannot in all cases (be) reliable.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/update-michael-schumacher-condition-article-1.1580849#ixzz2qf8GdUKV

It's a brain injury... who knows what will happen. The longer we hear nothing, the greater the speculation will be. Hopefully we get some factual recovery information soon.

[MR2 Fan]

Improvement:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/1/15446.html

[Random]

I guess it's an improvement from the point of view that they appear to have the swelling and bleeding under control. I would tend to call it a "status change" rather than an improvement, though, since they really don't know if they are "waking up" M.Schumacher or a vegetable that used to be M.Schumacher. :|

[MR2 Fan]

maybe I should have put a question mark then

[Godson]

Yeah, things are still very bleak. We must use very cautious optimism with each change. This process could literally take years.

[FaultyMario]

I still hate you, spoonface! But please, get well dammit!

[overpowered]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCkHPgrnNJg

[Dicknose]

Read an article that said his helmet cracked from the impact.
Obviously it was a hard hit, but I hadn't heard about the helmet being badly damaged before.

[Blerpa]

Read an article that said his helmet cracked from the impact.
Obviously it was a hard hit, but I hadn't heard about the helmet being badly damaged before.

Honestly it has been repeated ad nauseam in the news since the day after it happened, at least in here.
They always kept saying the helmet broke split in two and if he didn't have the helmet on he would have been dead immediately.

[Fiat500]

I hope this is good news. It is not like James Allen to just post unfounded rumours.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/03/michael-schumacher-breathing-by-himself-todt-speaking-to-him-in-english/

[Godson]

Going from the information there. It just means he isn't compromised to the point of being a vegetable. Him twitching could merely be a response to the auditory stimulation, he may not actually be responding to anything that he would actually recognize.


I have worked on a lot of patients that could breathe on their own and still not survived.



Cautious optimism.

[FaultyMario]

I like that Brawn has taken the time to make those recordings.

[Fiat500]

Since the official updates have been very sparse so far, this should carry all the more weight, hopefully:


On Wednesday morning his manager Sabine Kehm released a further statement saying that there was some cause for encouragement.

"We are and remain confident that Michael will pull through and wake up," she said.

"There are small, encouraging signs, but we also know that this is the time to be very patient."

Michael Schumacher showing 'small, encouraging signs' in hospital (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112857)

[Godson]

:toast:

[Phil_SS]

Agreed. Get well Michael.

[drew]

:up:

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Biq9_tyCcAAYYl2.jpg

[Godson]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/apr/04/michael-schumacher-moments-awakening-coma-formula-one-skiing-accident


Progress is being made. Keep those fingers crossed.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Hope to see him make full recovery! Com'on Schumie!

[FaultyMario]

I heard he woke up from the coma, demanded to be put in a third card as he reckoned he could still make it a three-way fight for this year's WDC, and then went back to sleep.

[FaultyMario]

News reports quote Sabine Kehm saying that upon a second lucid period in which the 7-time world champion was thoroughly briefed on the Management Situation at Ferrari, Schumacher said something along the lines of "that fucking playboy bastard" in perfect Emilian dialect, and the went back to sleep.

[FaultyMario]

Unnamed sources confirm last-minute visit to Schumacher's bedside from Chris Dyer and Luca Baldisserri. Apparently, after talking to his son Mick, The Prince of Asturias Laureate demanded to go over the telemetry of his GoPro camera from the day of the accident. It was understood his former race engineers facilitated a mechanical reconstruction of the event. We've been told he then went back to sleep.

[G'day Mate]

Nearly four months now :smh:

[FaultyMario]

On the graph, we’ve got time (in months) along the bottom, and percent of patients along the y-axis. At time 0 (the day of injury), we’ve got 100% of the study population of patients in PVS. Just as a reminder, PVS means apparent wakefulness (eye opening, something resembling a sleep-wake cycle, etc) without signs of consciousness (awareness of self and/or the environment).

As we move left to right, we see three sub-populations opening up – from top to bottom, there are those who regain consciousness, those who die, and those who remain in a vegetative state. Michael is now 5 months post-injury, but for the sake of simplicity, let’s look at the 6 month mark. Look at the line indicated by the arrows. Notice how at 6 months, this line becomes very nearly horizontal.

This horizontal line says, in the most eloquent and desperately sad way, that after 6 months only a tiny tiny fraction of patients in PVS regain consciousness. In essence, persistence of the vegetative state or death are the primary outcomes remaining. The slope of the line separating “dead” from “persistent vegetative state” shows the approximate death rate of these patients – roughly 25-30% per year. And just to repeat what I’d said in an earlier post, essentially no one in a persistent vegetative state at ONE YEAR will ever regain consciousness.

I’m quite afraid (and virtually certain) we will never have any good news about Michael. At this point, I rather dread seeing that the family has put out a press release...

:(

[Godson]

Very sad to hear.

[FaultyMario]

Read an article that said his helmet cracked from the impact.
Obviously it was a hard hit, but I hadn't heard about the helmet being badly damaged before.

I thought I had shared more about what has been said of MS's, Maybe I just read about it and forgot to post.

Anyway, MS had a freakish loss of balance at low speed while skiing off-piste, reports say that the one thing that saved his life was the helmet, the one thing that complicated the injury was the helmet camera that acted on impact like a nail focusing the delivery of energy into a smaller area, the multiple hematomas that formed inside his skull are believed to be the result of shockwaves caused by the severity of the impact.

It is widely believed that if he weren't the megafit athlete that he is, with all the resources his family has access to, he'd died within hours of his accident.

[G'day Mate]

Out of nowhere it's being reported that Schumacher is out of his coma??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-16/schumacher-out-of-coma2c-leaves-hospital/5527892


Formula One champion Michael Schumacher is out of a coma and has left the French hospital treating him since a devastating ski accident in December, his spokeswoman said Monday.

"Michael has left the CHU Grenoble (hospital) to continue his long phase of rehabilitation. He is not in a coma anymore," Sabine Kehm said in a statement.

"His family would like to explicitly thank all his treating doctors, nurses and therapists in Grenoble as well as the first aiders at the place of the accident, who did an excellent job in those first months.

"For the future we ask for understanding that his further rehabilitation will take place away from the public eye," she said, without giving further details about his condition or where the seven-time world champion was sent to.

Schumacher slammed his head on a rock while skiing in the French resort of Meribel in December and was put in a medically induced coma after undergoing brain surgery at the hospital in the Alpine city of Grenoble.

His family said at the end of January that drugs used to keep the 45-year-old in his deep sleep were being reduced to bring him back to consciousness, but little had filtered out about his condition since then.

More to follow.

[Fogelhund]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27868787

Same basic text... Why is it I'm not sure I believe this?

[G'day Mate]

Why is it I'm not sure I believe this?

Same strange reason I can't seem to either?

Perhaps they've deliberately been keeping everything super-quiet.

[Rare White Ape]

It's interesting if true, but good news none the less.

[Yw-slayer]

If true, then it's fair enough for them to want to keep his rehab process out of the public eye. He is a public figure, but I can imagine that a wave of publicity probably wouldn't help.

[Rare White Ape]

Any news on his brother Ralf's brain damage?

[Godson]

Hrmm.... Perhaps they kept it quiet on purpose.


I'll believe it when I see that smug smile again.

[Freude am Fahren]

:lol: RWA

It's great news, but don't expect to see anything like the Schumi we once knew. If we ever see him again that is.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Unless Schumi has left a funky will that certain family member doesn't like and is trying to fabricate stories to change it..., there really shouldn't be a reason for the family to lie about this.

Anyway, hope miracle continues to happen and we can eventually see him back to relative normal health.

[FaultyMario]

[/B]"]So what does that mean? Sabine is a professional. At the beginning of April, she told us Michael had moments of awakening AND of consciousness. Once again, by saying this, she told us in almost clinically perfect language that Michael was no longer in a coma. She used two terms that only specialists actually distinguish; for laymen being awake and being conscious are the same thing. This language, then, clearly was used based on discussions with Michael’s care team, and reflected a highly accurate description of his minimally conscious state.

Now, we’re told, with what appears to be a bit of a triumphal air, that Michael is no longer in a coma. As stated above, THIS IS NOT NEWS. I cannot help but think that this is a highly cynical use of language, using the truth to convey an impression that is almost certainly false. I cannot but think that if Michael had emerged AT ALL from the minimally conscious state that Sabine so accurately described in April, we’d be told that Michael is leaving for rehab, that he is having problems expressing himself and will work hard to get better. Or that he’s having to learn to walk,read, write, etc all over again. But no, we’re told what we already know, and pretty much told to not ever expect further updates. Kinda like what I was thinking.

This all leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. And a huge space of sadness for Michael’s family, and for you, his fans.

Damn it!

[FaultyMario]

Unless Schumi has left a funky will that certain family member doesn't like and is trying to fabricate stories to change it..., there really shouldn't be a reason for the family to lie about this.

Anyway, hope miracle continues to happen and we can eventually see him back to relative normal health.

Schumacher's inheritance proceedings were executed no later than February. His wife and each of his two kids now own a third of Michael's property each.
I think Schu's gone. Probably in vegetative state.

[Godson]

That's where I am at in thought.


As I said. I'll believe it when I see that smile again.

[GB]

"Awake", and "Not in a coma" are definitely two very different things.

[GB]

People are scum.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/michael-schumachers-medical-records-stolen-reportedly-up-for-sale/

[G'day Mate]

The Daily Mail also states that, contrary to some reports, Schumacher remains unable to walk or talk and slips in and out of consciousness, although he is said to have been communicating during his transfer to Switzerland by nodding his head.
As you said above GB, "Awake", and "Not in a coma" are definitely two very different things.

[Alan P]

I wouldn't be surprised if Michael had a will that said if he was incapacitated in some way that after so long the will would be activated or something. F1 still is a dangerous place and it's possible he didn't change or update it after he retired

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, but I suspect there's probably some will or legal reasons to keep him alive at all cost for whatever reasons... or maybe the family just loves him so much that they're unwilling to let him go and since they do have the resources...

Anyway, whatever the press release said, the fact that we still haven't seen him is probably indicative that he's still not well..., hope he get better soon.

[Freude am Fahren]

Suspect for stealing medical records found dead in jail cell (http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/suspect-theft-f1-star-michael-schumachers-medical-records-found-dead?utm_source=DailyDrive20140806&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive)

[Rare White Ape]

Well...

Compared to that guy, things don't look so bad for Schumi after all.

[FaultyMario]

From Bild's F1 reporter Nicola Pohl:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxF-BEAIEAA6PtY.jpg

"Progress has been made", Sabine Kehm.

[tigeraid]

:up:

[FaultyMario]

Jean-Francois Payen, one of the doctors who has been treating Schumacher, said in October that he could need years to recover.
“I have noticed some progress but I would say we will have to give him time,” Payen, who treated Schumacher at the Grenoble hospital where Schumacher was taken after the accident.
“It is like for other patients. We are in a time scale of one to three years, so you need patience.”

From the least sensationalist reporting (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/20/michael-schumacher-paralysed-with-memory-and-speech-problems-friend) of Philippe Streiff's words (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Philippe+Streiff&oq=Philippe+Streiff&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j43i53.1104.1104.0.1959.1.1.0.0.0.0.27.27 .1.1.0...0.0...1ac.2.EHEec9OVcxY&gws_rd=ssl).

[overpowered]

http://www.ecumenicalnews.com/article/michael-schumacher-health-update-undergoes-extensive-physical-therapy-sits-in-a-wheelchair-and-shows-some-signs-of-recovery-28269

[Godson]

This is actually very good news. Still cautious optimism.

[XHawkeye]

@f1enigma: Thieves broke in the office of Dr. Johannes Peil who is treating Schumacher and stole among other stuff a laptop http://bit.ly/1CzEqaV

[overpowered]

http://www.vinereport.com/article/michael.schumacher.health.update.no.miracle.on.the .horizon.for.formula.1.star.recovery.from.skiing.i njury/163.htm

[Alan P]

Read on another forum although not sure if it's true but their jet and one of their homes is up for sale and they're hoping for €25 million all in. I can imagine how that sort of care would be very, very expensive long term.

[Freude am Fahren]

Certainly to mere celebrities and business men, but he made hundreds of millions. I would think they have more than enough liquid assets to cover any kind of medical care. I'd imagine it's more about practicality than a need to move money.