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Freude am Fahren
July 5th, 2016, 06:50 AM
Aston and Red Bull/Newey supercar. (Just) powered by an NA V12. No turbos or hybrid.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--gk2D8Wlx--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rjtcbuitvczuwbebaib1.jpg

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ej2_VGWA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ppl7c1njxtfd7wbp2yfl.jpg

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Q65msDbA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ovwg45o2n3w2zus86pgv.jpg

Hard to tell from those images, but apparently, it's very very small, like hip-height.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13592663_10154273168158523_6432597106686504848_n.j pg?oh=f286aa88d888359b3e4d40948a93436a&oe=57F816A9
(FB photo from closed group, might not show)

Freude am Fahren
July 5th, 2016, 08:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37AjQ1_EKn4&ab_channel=Shmee150

Phil_SS
July 5th, 2016, 08:41 AM
Meh. I'm kinda supercar'ed out. Neat though.

CudaMan
July 5th, 2016, 09:58 AM
Single seater?

Freude am Fahren
July 5th, 2016, 10:57 AM
Two seater apparently, but I bet it's very tight in there.

SkylineObsession
July 5th, 2016, 06:36 PM
Showcase or potential production?

Freude am Fahren
July 5th, 2016, 06:39 PM
100-150 to be sold. There will be a "track version" as well, but not sure if that's counted in those numbers.

SkylineObsession
July 6th, 2016, 01:38 AM
Reckon i might see one down here then. :) The owner of Highlands Motorsport Park (3 hours west) owns the Southern Hemisphere's (?) only Aston Martin Vulcan, and it lives at that track i think.
https://www.facebook.com/HighlandsMotorsportPark

Glad to see it's not just another design concept though, those are getting boring. 'Oh hey, here's a bloody nice car for you to dream about. We're never putting it into production though, haha'. Looking at you, Jaguar C-X75. :(

The359
July 6th, 2016, 07:34 AM
Looking at the front there doesn't seem to be a whole lot under the car. I wonder if this is one of their old LMP1 tubs with bodywork stuck on top of it.

Freude am Fahren
July 6th, 2016, 08:14 AM
Well, they said it was designed by Newey, but not the body, so that would imply that Newey designed a whole new chassis. I think that's even more open than anything outside of a late Group C car.

Crazed_Insanity
July 6th, 2016, 07:31 PM
I can't believe how tiny the exhaust is... Considering it's a v12!?!?!?

Anywho, it's gorgeous!

The359
July 6th, 2016, 08:10 PM
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/4024/Lola-Aston-Martin-B09-60_16.jpg

Probably an exhaust setup almost identical to this.

Freude am Fahren
July 6th, 2016, 08:22 PM
It may also be split to other hidden locations, like the Chiron, for aerodynamic purposes.

Yw-slayer
July 6th, 2016, 10:51 PM
It may also be split to other hidden locations, like the Chiron, for aerodynamic purposes.

So, noodles.

Rare White Ape
July 6th, 2016, 11:07 PM
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/travel-blog/tip-article/wordpress_uploads/2013/07/divershark_cs.jpg

Freude am Fahren
July 7th, 2016, 07:58 AM
Accurate :lol:

Crazed_Insanity
July 7th, 2016, 08:15 AM
Shark shape is one of the most aerodynamic shapes if it has to hover close to a ground surface.

Adrian Newey didn't get it wrong. :p

Rare White Ape
July 7th, 2016, 11:28 PM
Let's wait to pass judgement until we see one hovering.

overpowered
August 5th, 2016, 01:57 AM
https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us/amrb001

balki
August 5th, 2016, 06:05 AM
"naturally aspirated V12"
Is this the best way to go about making accessible power?
I know turbos and their extra plumbing aren't worth the extra weight without sacrificing lag (batteries can fix that, but those are even heavier)

Wouldn't a V-10 have worked better? or a mildly boosted V-8?

Kchrpm
August 5th, 2016, 10:31 AM
It's most likely best for them financially and it also greatly differentiates them from all of the other turbocharged and hybrid hyper cars.

Godson
August 5th, 2016, 06:48 PM
And the sex worthy sound of a v12

Rare White Ape
August 6th, 2016, 02:30 PM
Compare these two videos, and watch and listen while some lucky souls pilot old* Ferrari F1 cars around various Italian circuits.

V8 and V10 cars:
https://youtu.be/CT81oZJi7T8

V12 car:
https://youtu.be/5SoZiTxdQyw

Did you feel the level of sex rise considerably when the oldest car screamed it's way around Monza?

For car fanatics, a V12 is the shit.

*age is a relative term in F1 circles

balki
February 28th, 2017, 08:00 AM
Mercedes-AMG Project One hypercar will have 1000-1300hp from a 1.6L V6
My question is; how?
The F1 car makes (slightly) less than 1000hp with all the power units. Sure you can throw batteries up front for the extra 300hp (and awd), but the road car's engine will have to be detuned quite a bit (from the 4k rpm idle speed and 15k limiter)

Freude am Fahren
February 28th, 2017, 09:00 AM
No fuel restrictions means more boost? Probably wont have to be detuned much for reliability given current F1 requirements, but still some, plus for emissions and noise. Kinda like how many GT race cars have actually less HP than their road going counterparts, despite same basic engine. Those almost always use air restrictions, not fuel, and then are tuned up to get more HP out of less air. I imagine an F1 engine detuned for road use, but then let loose on the fuel requirements would be as powerful, if not more.

FaultyMario
February 28th, 2017, 09:39 AM
I think F1 ICEs are limited to 10,000 rpm. Maybe even a few hundreds less. And the one thing that really punishes them is the fuel flow limitation.

balki
March 1st, 2017, 06:47 AM
ICEs are limited to 15k, but they're short shifted for various reasons (the fuel flow limitation that you mentioned, plus reliability and much fatter power-band compared to the V8s, ... fuel economy?)

Freude am Fahren
March 1st, 2017, 08:27 AM
Yeah, I think they were at like 10k or less the first year of them, mainly due to fuel limitations, but they've been able to improve slightly year to year. It was a major reason for the issues with the sound of the cars, and why they've gotten slightly better. I think I read they are close to or actually using all 15k now.

balki
March 1st, 2017, 11:09 AM
Yeah, the turbo doesn't actually muffle it nearly as much as most people think. The V8s and V10s weren't that much louder at 4-14k rpm.
Haven't seen the turbo's in person, but on TV I like being able to hear the pit whistle, tires squealing, ...

balki
May 9th, 2017, 01:20 PM
AMG hypercar to make 1020hp (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a33289/mercedes-amg-hypercar-hp/)
Mercedes says the Project One's gas engine, derived from its 1.6-liter V6 F1 unit, will spin to 11,000 rpm, and that it requires a "substantial service" after just 31,000 miles.

Is 11k a record for a (very limited) production car?

Freude am Fahren
May 9th, 2017, 03:03 PM
Probably for anything over 1L. I think a few kei cars have had smaller engine that rev up to 11k+

FaultyMario
May 9th, 2017, 06:33 PM
I bet it burns large amounts of exotic oil.

Rare White Ape
May 10th, 2017, 12:03 AM
My bike revs to 12.5k, but it's a 750cc bike and it has tiny cylinders with tiny pistons and tiny valves and only has to push around 300kg.

For a car to have an engine that revs beyond 8k is pretty amazing. There are not many 'affordable' cars that do it, only a few of the more interesting Hondas from the last decade.

I looked it up and the Honda S-series of coupes from the 1960s revved to 9500k. Wowsers.

balki
May 10th, 2017, 06:37 PM
Yeah, I saw that too.
despite 606cc, it was in the 60's (half a century ago) and weighed as much as four 600cc sport bikes do now

As far as affordable cars go only the RX-8 comes to mind (the S2000 would if they produced more and didn't suffer from $10k markups), but the rotors themselves only spin to 3000rpm and the output shaft is the thing that revs to 9000rpm