GTXFFF1 2019

[balki]

Usual team cost: 40 mandatory (no more, no less, duplicate teams not allowed)
First come first serve

Cost Driver Constructor Driver full name
---- ------ ----------- ----------------
23 HAM Mercedes Lewis Hamilton
17 BOT Mercedes Valtteri Bottas
23 VET Ferrari Sebastian Vettel
18 LEC Ferrari Charles Leclerc
19 VER Red Bull Max Verstappen
14 GAS Red Bull Pierre Gasly
6 RIC Renault Daniel Ricciardo
5 HUL Renault Nico Hülkenberg
5 PER Racing Point Sergio Pérez
3 STR Racing Point Lance Stroll
3 GRO Haas F1 Team Romain Grosjean
3 MAG Haas F1 Team Kevin Magnussen
3 SAI McLaren Carlos Sainz Jr.
2 NOR McLaren Lando Norris
3 RAI Alfa Romeo Kimi Räikkönen
2 GIO Alfa Romeo Antonio Giovinazzi
2 KVY Toro Rosso Daniil Kvyat
2 ALB Toro Rosso Alexander Albon
1 KUB Williams Robert Kubica
1 RUS Williams George Russell
Submit picks here via replies, deadline is the start of Free Practice 3 (in roughly 11.5 days). You can use FP1 and FP2, but you risk having your picks taken.

[dodint]

HAM/BOT

[Freude am Fahren]

LEC
GAS
RIC
GIO

[JoeW]

So we can spend 40? This is my first rodeo...

[FaultyMario]

23 VET
6 RIC
5 HUL
2 KVY
3 RAI
1 KUB

3 SAI
40

[FaultyMario]

So we can spend 40? This is my first rodeo...

Yes, in whatever combo that has not yet been claimed.

[JoeW]

19 VER
18 LEC
3 RAI
40

[Crazed_Insanity]

Lec 18
Ver 19
Rai 3
---------
total 40

[Crazed_Insanity]

Fuck JoeW! 4 mins late.

I'll swap Kimi for Kevin Mag then.

[JoeW]

lmao
Going for the young guns with a splash of Kimi experience in there for good measure.

I wanted Vettel but I couldn't find any combos I liked after 23pts were gone. Seems like at the very least LEC should be at least one point less in line with BOT.

[FaultyMario]

deadline is the start of Free Practice 3 (in roughly 11.5 days). You can use FP1 and FP2, but you risk having your picks taken.

I dunno man, I think the sensible option is to wait. But like you say, there's a risk your picks get swept from under you.

[dodint]

lmao
I wanted Vettel but I couldn't find any combos I liked after 23pts were gone. Seems like at the very least LEC should be at least one point less in line with BOT.

I felt exactly the same way.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I really think Vettel will crack under pressure from a young challenger again.

[balki]

I made Leclerc 3 more than I had originally guessed a few months ago: lot's of folks are saying he's way better than Kimi (who would have finished close to Vettel last year if he didn't have an extra 3 DNFs).
HAM and BOT got lowered by 2 because Ferrari looked so strong in testing and Kubica -2 because Williams looks so bad. Kimi also got lowered as the midfield teams all look much stronger this year.

It's certainly tempting to wait for FP1 and FP2, but the first two teams already look like top picks (dodint with Mercedes and FaF with two top cars + two solid midfielders)

[FaultyMario]

I really think Vettel will crack under pressure from a young challenger again.

Binotto is a more revered figured inside Ferrari than Maurizio ever was, and I think Ferrari is throwing the whole team effort behind Vettel's attempt; pretty sure this is his last chance. So no, I don't think Charles has been given a long leash yet, not in his first year. Both Binotto and him would want to create a lasting relationship within the team, they are the newcomers.

[dodint]

I've never picked HAM before. I figure if I'm going to be miserable I might as well hedge my bet. ;)

[Yobbo NZ]

Hamilton
Ricciardo
Perez
Sainz
Raikkonen

[Blerpa]

Hamilton 23
Ricciardo 6
Sainz 3
Norris 2
Raikkonen 3
Giovinazzo 2
Russell 1

It's OK?

[balki]

yeah, that's 40, but Russell over Kubica?

[Godson]

Ugh. I have two teams...

Lec 18
Ric 6
Hulk 5
Mag 3
Gro 3
Ria 3
Gio 2
-----
40

[Blerpa]

yeah, that's 40, but Russell over Kubica?

Totally.

[JoeW]

Kubica is in way over his head and he looks like a 60yr old man in all the interviews I've seen.

[Alan P]

Sigh, last to pick. I thought we'd change this in some way to stop late pickers being at a disadvantage?

LEC
GAS
GRO
MAG
ALB

[balki]

Alan, that's only 39 (Leclerc is 18), would you please revise your picks?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Preseason sandbagging.

I'm going to only spend $39 mil and be one of the last to pick and kick your asses anyways! :p

[Freude am Fahren]

Did we always do the 'have to spend the 40' thing? If someone wants a team that adds up to 38 or 39, why not?

I guess by doing that they could duplicate a team minus a 1 or 2 point driver that may not score points, thus creating a tie situation, but I'm okay with that. Completely different teams could still tie, and if anything they're putting them self at a disadvantage, so why stop them?

[IMOA]

Hamilton
Danny Ric
Hulk
Magnussen
Kimi

[balki]

Did we always do the 'have to spend the 40' thing? If someone wants a team that adds up to 38 or 39, why not?

I guess by doing that they could duplicate a team minus a 1 or 2 point driver that may not score points, thus creating a tie situation, but I'm okay with that. Completely different teams could still tie, and if anything they're putting them self at a disadvantage, so why stop them?
There are enough low-cost guys that no one should be stuck at 38 or 39 like in he past.
If Alan wants those picks I'll just block anyone from choosing that team + Kubica.

[JoeW]

What is the deadline to make a change to my team should I decide a different course of action?

[balki]

Start of FP3
Keep billi posted as he may want those picks

[2ndMoparMan]

Leclerc, Verstappen and Mag for me.

[Crazed_Insanity]

You can't have that combo because JoeW forced me to picked that combo earlier.

If you want Lec and Ver, then for now, you can't pick Kimi nor Mag.

[JoeW]

We get the same points that they score in F1 right? So beyond 10th it’s nothing?

1-25pts
2-18pts
Etc?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes.

[2ndMoparMan]

Damnit...
Ok Lec, Ver, and Stroll.

[JoeW]

It seems like it would be better mathematically to pick a top guy like Ham or Vet (whoever you think will win more often) and then several lower priced guys. One win of 25pts beats a 2nd and a 6th together.

Contemplating a new strategy...

[Alan P]

Alan, that's only 39 (Leclerc is 18), would you please revise your picks?

-RUS, +ALB

[Crazed_Insanity]

It seems like it would be better mathematically to pick a top guy like Ham or Vet (whoever you think will win more often) and then several lower priced guys. One win of 25pts beats a 2nd and a 6th together.

Contemplating a new strategy...

I’m predicting the end of Mercedes dominance. Vettel will crack under pressure. Honda being half decent... then Max will kick ass and Charles will kick ass too with an improved Ferrari... and everyone else can suck Kevin’s balls!

[FaultyMario]

I will trade Kvyat and Bob for Sainz. Is that a go, balki?

[Ashie]

Vet and Bot= 40

[Crazed_Insanity]

Whoa, 1st ever female FF1 racer! Pretty bold pick too.

[balki]

Mario, yes, changes are fine. Would you please edit your post from march 4th? maybe with some [s] tags?

I'll do a thorough picks review next week (don't even have the spreadsheet fully ready yet)

[Blerpa]

Hi guys, a request of clarification: are we going to include the just ratified official new point for fastest lap in the race (albeit only for the drivers finishing in the first 10 places) in our point system?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Might as well. No reason why our fantasy drivers’ point end up being different from reality.

[G'day Mate]

Late dammit

Bottas, Gasly, Ricciardo aaaaaand ... Stroll

[G'day Mate]

Team Suck should be everyone from Ricciardo down as that adds to 42 ... so close enough

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ricciardo leading team suck now? That really sucks. Hope his car won’t really suck this season.

[Random]

Cuda's having issues logging in and would like me to post his team for him: VER, LEC, GRO

[FaultyMario]

Cuda's having issues logging in...


And yours?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Just randomly pick something for him...

[balki]

Can't seem to make my picks work with any of the top 6 guys, so :
RIC
HUL
PER
STR
GRO
MAG
SAI
NOR
RAI
GIO
KVY
ALB
KUB

[balki]

Keith, Russ, .... there are 23 hours left to submit/make changes in time for the first race
Picks so far:

driver cuda G'day Ashie Mopar IMOA Alan P Godson Blerpa Yobbo billi JoeW Mario FaF Balki dodint _____
HAM x x x x HAM
BOT x x x BOT
VET x x VET
LEC x x x x x x x LEC
VER x x x x VER
GAS x x x GAS
RIC x x x x x x x x RIC
HUL x x x x HUL
PER x x PER
STR x x x STR
GRO x x x x GRO
MAG x x x x x MAG
SAI x x x x SAI
NOR x x NOR
RAI x x x x x x x RAI
GIO x x x x GIO
KVY x KVY
ALB x x ALB
KUB x KUB
RUS x RUS

[FaultyMario]

I think there's something wrong with my drivers, I'm missing one Daniel Ricciardo.

[balki]

yup, must have cleared out that cell today = everyone was at 40 yesterday

[balki]

Changed my mind: will give up my picks to Team Suck and go with....
HAM
RIC
MAG
GRO
RAI
GIO

[Freude am Fahren]

Damn I thought the deadline was end of FP3. Thought about trading RIC GIO for MAG GRO KVY.

Oh well, probably for the best.

[FaultyMario]

Damn I thought the deadline was end of FP3. Thought about trading RIC GIO for MAG GRO KVY.

Oh well, probably for the best.


Was thinking of getting rid of one the Renaults, but i think they'll be more valuable from COTA onwards.

[balki]

We can go by the honor system, if you guys were going to dump a Renault then I'm fine with making the change before the race.
Between the track and traffic I don't think we learned all that much in qualifying, let alone FP3.

Also agree that Renault (and FI/Racing Point) will out-develop the other mid-pack teams.

[JoeW]

Looking like Ham/Bot was a solid pick.

[Godson]

/me cracks knuckles

Gotta play the long game.

[dodint]

Looking like Ham/Bot was a solid pick.

A championship by me will require persistent midfield infighting. We will see. :up:

[balki]

Spreadsheet not fully functional yet, but pretty sure we have a power couple 1-2

[dodint]

If only I knew the single greatest spreadsheet guy in the Western world...

[balki]

He's already made me spreadsheets in the past.
Was going to start one from scratch, but I think I'm just going to recycle the googleDocs one from last year

[dodint]

Yeah. He's been a fantastic help to me on a number of projects.

He's not playing this year so he probably doesn't even know there is an issue.

[balki]

Picks

Pos Owner
cuda LEC | GRO | VER |
G'day STR | BOT | GAS | RIC |
Ashie VET | BOT |
Mopar LEC | STR | VER |
IMOA MAG | HAM | HUL | RIC | RAI |
Alan P LEC | GRO | MAG | GAS | ALB |
Godson LEC | GRO | MAG | HUL | RIC | GIO | RAI |
Blerpa NOR | SAI | HAM | RIC | GIO | RAI | RUS |
Yobbo PER | SAI | HAM | RIC | RAI |
billi LEC | MAG | VER |
JoeW LEC | VER | RAI |
Mario VET | SAI | HUL | RIC | RAI |
FaF LEC | GAS | RIC | GIO |
Awesome. Not only did Keith give me a functioning spreadsheet, but I can easily add fastest lap

Race 1 : Australian Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 44
2 Ashie 38
3 IMOA 36
4 billi 33
5 Balki 30
6 JoeW 29
7 G'day 28
7 Godson 28
9 Mopar 27
10 cuda 25
11 Blerpa 22
11 Yobbo 22
11 Mario 22
14 Team Suck 21
15 Alan P 18
16 FaF 10

Balki GRO | MAG | HAM | RIC | GIO | RAI |
dodint HAM | BOT |
Team Suck PER | STR | GRO | MAG | NOR | SAI | HUL | RIC | GIO | RAI | KVY | ALB | KUB |

Excluding Team Suck: Albon, Perez, Russel and Norris were only picked once (no one picked Daniil Kvyat nor Robert Kubica)
Most popular drivers: Daniel Ricciardo x8, Charles Leclerc x7 and Kimi Räikkönen x7

Teams: only one Williams and Toro Rosso driver picked, while Renault and Alfa had 11 picks each

[balki]

Race 1 : Australian Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 44
2 Ashie 38
3 IMOA 36
4 billi 33
5 Balki 30
6 JoeW 29
7 G'day 28
7 Godson 28
9 Mopar 27
10 cuda 25
11 Blerpa 22
11 Yobbo 22
11 Mario 22
14 Team Suck 21
15 Alan P 18
16 FaF 10

thanks keith!

[dodint]

For the record I did not contribute to Ashie's picks. We were sitting on the couch one day and she asked 'Hey, should I do that F1 thing?' and I said 'yeah, sure.' That was the total extend of our discussion. :lol:

It is fun seeing how the two-driver team doctrine is thriving, though. Will be fun to see if it bears out. Tough putting all the eggs in such a small basket.

[JoeW]

If it were Rosberg then it might not be such a good idea but Bottas and Hamilton are respectful of each other. Thinking you’ve got it in the bag honestly.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not sure we can count Ferraris out yet. Also if Max doesn’t crash, he should finish near the top in most cases.

Anyway, Aussie GP is like preseason testing. Remember Alonso thought now he could actually fight after this race?

[Ashie]

Interesting start to the season. Looking forward to seeing how things pan out.

[balki]

I'm thinking everyone's picks should be for the seat not the driver.
Rumors of Kvyat replacing Gasly already starting. No one picked Kvyat and I guess G'day, Alan and FaF would prefer the second Red Bull seat as opposed to Gasly back in a Toro Rosso.

Thoughts?

[FaultyMario]

F1 is 90% car. Yeah, seat makes sense.

[dodint]

We've had the discussion before, the year Kvyat was demoted I believe. I think it's something people want in a theory sense but in practice it hasn't happened enough for anyone to suggest the change in the offseason.

[FaultyMario]

I don't think Franz is going to let go of an experienced car developer before the summer break, not when there was technical shuffle in the offseason.

[Yobbo NZ]

He did that last year....

[FaultyMario]

Well... Brendon did allow the anti-Hartley tide to grow too strong TBH.

F1 politics are shit, but they've always been like that.

[Yobbo NZ]

My personal thoughts, promoted Brendon to Redbull this year, on a one year, watertight development deal only, to give them a first hand understanding of the powertrain etc. Kyvayt and Gasley to fight for the Redbull seat for next year.
My thoughts would be that Kyvyat would have that seat easily .
Brendon was starting to find cracks in Pierre towards the end of the season.

[Alan P]

Someone, or more likely more than one person at Torro Rosso really had it in for Hartley. Sure he didn't really excel but he didn't muck it up either and had some good results. I'd love to know what happened if Hartley ever writes a book or opens up about it.

[FaultyMario]

I'd rather he spill the beans on the Merc mini1 to Ferrari.





1Isn't that what they say, that the Honda is the poor man's Mercedes engine?

[Yobbo NZ]

Someone, or more likely more than one person at Torro Rosso really had it in for Hartley. Sure he didn't really excel but he didn't muck it up either and had some good results. I'd love to know what happened if Hartley ever writes a book or opens up about it.
You could really tell that with the shit strategies they put him on while, in a good position during the race.
Was it Silverstone?, they ran him so long on the hypersofts that by the time he pitted, the rest of the field were on new tyres so he had no chance.

[JoeW]

You know your place on the team when they make you stay out on shit tires so you can try to slow down the field behind you just to give your teammate a chance to pull away.

[FaultyMario]

Fuck you, Rémi Taffin.

[Freude am Fahren]

Can't hardly believe the synchronized exit of the Renaults. Makes me think fuel, but Hulk's looked a bit more violent. Maybe damage due to fuel starvation.

[JoeW]

I never saw the replay of Ric's car but there was definitely a poof on Hulk's. Ham/Bot picks should be illegal ;) I could have won the day if Leclerc hadn't had the issues he did. It would have been unexpected but I would have taken it ;)

[Ashie]

Love that Vettle just spin out as if he's new to driving. Grrr, I wanted that second place!!!!!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sucks that Charlie boy had to hold back by the ‘ultimate’ team order again...

Makes one wonder if they were suffering similar issue back in Australia as well...

[balki]

Race 2 : Bahrain Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 87
2 IMOA 67
3 Ashie 66
4 JoeW 63
5 Blerpa 61
5 billi 61
5 Balki 61
8 Mopar 55
9 Yobbo 54
10 cuda 53
11 G'day 50
11 Godson 50
13 Alan P 40
14 Mario 38
14 Team Suck 38
16 FaF 30

Thought Bottas was gonna suck again and honestly expect Ferrari to start with a bunch of 1-2's.
Biggest problem with the pricing: didn't properly account for how reliable Ferrari and Mercedes were going to be (even with Leclerc's problem it wasn't a Renault-like total failure)

[Crazed_Insanity]

He was saved by the Renaults, his engine just might be very close to total failure...

[Yobbo NZ]

Why did I pick Ricciardo!?

[JoeW]

The hope was real. But the reality thus far isn't. He didn't really deserve another year of Renault reliability issues...but then again...he knew what he could be getting into, again.

[Godson]

He is playing the long game. He can have a car and a powerplant built to what he wants, he can't get that by any of the other options right now without playing second fiddle.

[JoeW]

I guess all they are really shooting for is another 10 minutes of reliability :)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, i think they’re all pushing near their limits and reliability is now the main issue. it does seem like the only slow cars this year are Williams cars...

I do wonder why latest gen of F1 cars are so finicky. None of them can be consistently fast on all tracks it seems. Perhaps Mercedes’ approach of having 2 different chassis make sense now...

The other odd thing was the Haas cars... if I don't have Kevin as driver, I probably wouldn't care why he fell from 6th to 13th... as it turned out Haas was baffled by this as well. How can they have a high downforce setup and yet still couldn't get their tire temp up and sliding everywhere? Their tires only worked well with low fuel load, that's why they were best of rest in qualifying, but once it gets heavier fuel load, it'd start sliding?

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/magnussen-haas-pace-bahrain-hopeless/4363110/

Maybe it's the weird tires. They should've reduced downforce and let the darn thing slide more in order to heat up the tires... :p

[balki]

Race 3 : Chinese Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 130
2 IMOA 100
3 Ashie 99
4 Blerpa 94
4 Balki 94
6 Yobbo 91
7 JoeW 87
8 G'day 83
8 billi 83
10 Mopar 77
11 cuda 75
12 Godson 68
13 Mario 61
14 Alan P 60
15 FaF 55
16 Team Suck 51

[dodint]

Universe: Will F1 be repetitive, boring, and most importantly predictable in 2019?
dodint: Yes. Give me HAM/BOT.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Well, most were predicting Ferrari would dominate. They screwed up.

Anyway, at least teams now are more equalized than before. Mercedes are not really dominating anymore and Hamilton really isn’t at the top of his game this year. It’s good to have Bottas pushing him...

Only the 3rd race. It’s gonna be a long season.

[dodint]

Hamilton led every turn of the race* and Bottas started on pole. It's pretty uninteresting.


*I didn't pay attention when HAM pitted. They stacked the pit so I can't recall if one of tbe Ferraris led a lap or not.

[JoeW]

Meh race.

[Crazed_Insanity]

So you guys believe we should write Ferrari off again this season?

2nd race showed promise, right?

[JoeW]

Yeah. Merc already has nearly double the points of Ferrari. When Max has more points than both Ferrari drivers then you need to be worried. Although that will probably not last past the next race. RBR still doesn't have the outright pace to beat Ferrari and Ferrari is still off of Mercs pace. So same shit as last year.

But the midfield battle is more fun to watch this year so there is that.

[FaultyMario]

Meh race.

Mercedes has it in the bag. Meh year.

[JoeW]

Meh

[Crazed_Insanity]

Mercedes has Hamilton and a more fired up Bottas and reliability. However, I still think other teams, particularly Ferrari, have more potential. My team will catch up...

[FaultyMario]

So that's my season done.

[JoeW]

Meh continues...

[Crazed_Insanity]

I still believe my team will catch up!!! One of these days, Mercedes going to fail to finish 1-2...

[balki]

Race 4 : Azerbaijan Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 173
2 Ashie 139
3 Yobbo 124
4 Blerpa 123
5 IMOA 119
6 Balki 113
7 JoeW 111
8 G'day 110
9 billi 106
10 Mopar 102
11 cuda 98
12 Mario 83
13 Godson 80
14 Team Suck 72
15 Alan P 71
16 FaF 66

[Yobbo NZ]

3rd! Well bugger me sideways.

[2ndMoparMan]

Not having a good season so far....

[Godson]

I'm not below team suck, so...

Ric needs to get his shit together

[balki]

Race 5 : Spanish Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 217
2 Ashie 169
3 Yobbo 154
4 Blerpa 153
5 IMOA 151
6 Balki 146
7 billi 137
8 G'day 136
8 JoeW 136
10 Mopar 127
11 cuda 124
12 Mario 99
13 Godson 97
14 Alan P 96
15 Team Suck 85
16 FaF 84

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh yeah, inching up from 9th to 7th! Dodint, watch your mirrors, here I come!

[JoeW]

Ham/Bot can’t be stopped!

[2ndMoparMan]

doesn't look like it.

[Kchrpm]

I noticed that the current tool doesn't include the fastest lap bonus points. Has this been discussed? Do you want it to?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Of course!!! We want the most authentic fantasy possible! ;)

[JoeW]

That sounds so strange. Authentic fantasy.

[balki]

I noticed that the current tool doesn't include the fastest lap bonus points. Has this been discussed? Do you want it to?
Thanks, but I'm using your spreadsheet from last year (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c7u3FAfCpWCR6ZWmSzj03vbeLX8Q-GppsLNoTNIu54s/edit#gid=1849738085) and just updating the point into column G of the Race tab.

[Kchrpm]

Messy, but works :up:

[balki]

Race 6 : Monaco Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 257
2 Ashie 202
3 Yobbo 189
4 Blerpa 188
5 IMOA 178
6 Balki 174
7 G'day 164
8 billi 149
9 JoeW 148
10 Mopar 139
11 cuda 137
12 Mario 127
13 Alan P 112
14 Team Suck 106
15 Godson 100
16 FaF 97

[Crazed_Insanity]

At least I’m not trailing team suck I guess... :D

TS is pretty good this season!

[balki]

Race 7 : Canadian Grand Prix

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Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 295
2 Ashie 233
3 Yobbo 222
4 Blerpa 221
5 IMOA 217
6 Balki 207
7 G'day 191
8 billi 174
9 JoeW 173
10 Mopar 166
11 cuda 162
12 Mario 159
13 Alan P 131
14 Godson 129
15 FaF 124
16 Team Suck 123

[Crazed_Insanity]

Team suck truly suck now!

[Freude am Fahren]

Woo!

[balki]

Race 8 : French Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 338
2 Ashie 262
2 Blerpa 262
4 Yobbo 261
5 IMOA 252
6 Balki 238
7 G'day 210
8 JoeW 206
9 billi 201
10 Mopar 193
11 cuda 189
12 Mario 188
13 Godson 154
14 Alan P 147
15 Team Suck 143
16 FaF 140

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think your code broke the forum again... at least when viewing in my cell phone...

[balki]

Race 9 : Austrian Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 363
2 Ashie 289
3 Blerpa 287
4 Yobbo 277
5 IMOA 264
6 JoeW 252
7 Balki 251
8 billi 245
9 Mopar 237
10 cuda 233
11 G'day 231
12 Mario 206
13 Godson 175
14 Alan P 171
15 FaF 165
16 Team Suck 158

[Crazed_Insanity]

My highest ranking was on race 1 at 4th. Ever since, I've steadily dropped down to around 8th and stayed there. Now that 2 of my drivers finished top 2, I'd expect some dramatic rise, but nope, still at 8th place. Sigh..., but at least I'm closing the gap a little bit! ;)

Com'one Charles and Max, need you guys to win more races to make F-1 more interesting and my ranking higher!!!! :p

[2ndMoparMan]

About time I had a good race!

[Crazed_Insanity]

You're still behind me dude! HWAHAHAHA! :p

[CudaMan]

Thanks Max and Charles for helping me crack the top 10.

No thanks Haas and Grosjean! How much worse can it get for them?

[balki]

Race 10 : British Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 407
2 Blerpa 331
3 Yobbo 321
4 Ashie 307
5 IMOA 301
6 Balki 287
7 JoeW 281
8 billi 270
9 G'day 267
10 Mopar 262
11 cuda 258
12 Mario 225
13 Godson 201
14 Alan P 198
14 FaF 198
16 Team Suck 179

[balki]

Race 11 : German Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 407
2 Blerpa 351
3 Yobbo 337
4 Ashie 325
5 JoeW 313
6 IMOA 308
7 Mopar 300
7 Balki 300
9 billi 297
10 cuda 286
11 G'day 279
12 Mario 259
13 Team Suck 237
14 Godson 214
15 Alan P 209
16 FaF 202

[Crazed_Insanity]

Probably needs an update... poor dodint did manage to score some points after all... ;)

[Blerpa]

I scored only 20 points if I'm correct... damn, Lewis did really ruin my chances to recover points on Nate!

[2ndMoparMan]

Say what you will about Vettel, but good lord that was a hell of a drive. Also, nice to be back in the top 10!

[Blerpa]

Are the points updated with Raikkonen and Giovinazzi 30 seconds penalties issued yesterday 3 hours after the race?

[Blerpa]

The new Germany GP standings:

3341

[balki]

Race 11 : German Grand Prix (revised)

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 409
2 Blerpa 343
3 Yobbo 333
4 Ashie 325
5 IMOA 307
5 JoeW 307
7 Mopar 300
7 billi 300
9 Balki 299
10 cuda 290
11 G'day 279
12 Mario 253
13 Team Suck 235
14 Alan P 216
15 Godson 211
16 FaF 198

[Crazed_Insanity]

Thanks balki..., for moving over so I can get by! :p

[Alan P]

What an absolute disaster of a season. :(

[Freude am Fahren]

Seriously....

[dodint]

Oh?

My best driver came in 11th and scored two points. I even win at losing.

[Crazed_Insanity]

What a cocky ass son of a...

My best driver is going to kick your best driver's ass next half of the season. You just watch!!!!

I'm only like 109 points behind..., but if anyone can pull it off, it'll be Max!!!

[Blerpa]

Uhm, I could win... if Bottas manages a shitty rest of the season, since both me and Nate have Hamilton.

[Ashie]

Uhm, I could win... if Bottas manages a shitty rest of the season, since both me and Nate have Hamilton.


I prefer that to not happen. :p

[balki]

Race 12 : Hungarian Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 438
2 Blerpa 386
3 Yobbo 374
4 Ashie 344
4 JoeW 344
6 IMOA 338
7 Mopar 331
7 billi 331
9 Balki 330
10 cuda 321
11 G'day 291
12 Mario 284
13 Team Suck 254
14 Alan P 237
15 Godson 229
16 FaF 218

[FaultyMario]

What happens to Gasly's slot if Kvyat is promoted?

[Crazed_Insanity]

I thought we agreed to the format of keeping driver 1 and 2 of a particular team to make things easier for balki?

[dodint]

If you believe that, find it and quote it.

I looked earlier and the question was raised but not resolved. I could be wrong, though. Prove it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Hmm, I must've remembered wrong then.

Balki did say no major rule changes... and last year's rule specifically said we're getting the drivers, not their seats. So if your driver's is promoted, you should get promoted along with him. Likewise if there's a demotion. However, if Gasley loses his seat completely, I guess that means you'll be missing a driver if you signed him? :D

[dodint]

I really don't know; I thought maybe you had remembered something I hadn't.

I'm for whatever is easier on balki.

If all things are equal I think you should be stuck with the driver you chose and should suffer/gain from a demotion/promotion situation. I do think if a drive were injured like Schumacher was when Salo subbed in then the seat points should count.

[balki]

This is all I could find from 2018’s original post:
“You're getting the driver, not this seat (like 2016 and prior”
Albon pickers keep him in the Red Bull.
Gasly-guys, you continue to get hosed

[FaultyMario]

“You're getting the driver, not this seat (like 2016 and prior)”
Albon pickers keep him in the Red Bull.
Gasly-guys, you continue to get hosed


Race 12 : Hungarian Grand Prix

9 Balki 330
11 G'day 291
14 Alan P 237
16 FaF 218


Guys in red get hosed.
Dude in green gets genius points.
Alan P is genius, gets hosed.

[Freude am Fahren]

lol, my entire season has been one long hosing.

[Alan P]

Guys in red get hosed.
Dude in green gets genius points.
Alan P is genius, gets hosed.

Finally something goes right for me this season! AA wins in Spa! Then gets told to move over and let Max win in Monza.

[balki]

Race 13 : Belgian Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 471
2 Blerpa 404
3 Yobbo 400
4 Ashie 372
5 JoeW 369
6 IMOA 360
7 Mopar 357
8 billi 356
9 Balki 348
10 cuda 346
11 G'day 309
12 Mario 301
13 Team Suck 283
14 Alan P 274
15 Godson 258
16 FaF 245

[Yobbo NZ]

2nd is getting closer.
All I need is Riccardo to score something and I might sneak in there.

[JoeW]

Ricciardo won’t save you...ever :)

If only Kimi had given Max more room...I could have made serious haul of points. Lec, Max and Kimi...glorious.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, damn shame max couldn’t score more points. If Albon could finish 5th, surely max could’ve in the mix with top 4 guys...

[Blerpa]

Kimi should have not given a single cm to Max, the dutch was a car behind. Accident is 100% Verstappen fault.
Damn to Norris and Giovinazzi, I was in for more points till the last lap.

Also, Ricciardo would not help you, Yobbo: I've Daniel as well in my team :D

[Freude am Fahren]

Gotta disagree. Not smart to go all the way from outside to apex at La Source lap 1, pretending no one can be there. He didn't exactly brake very deep either.

[2ndMoparMan]

Checkers or wreckers for Verstappen, seems like....

[JoeW]

Yep so true...longest top 5 finishing streak of the field. Checkers or wreckers.

As FaF said...you can’t go from 3 car widths out and dive for the apex and not expect there to be a car or two there on the very first turn of the start of the race.

[Blerpa]

People, are you serious? F1 paramount rule: if you are a car lenght ahead you have ANY right of turning (aside from not doing more of one change of direction) and who is following you, behind, is 100% responsible of braking and not punting you. And that's it.

[JoeW]

Jesus I swear sometimes you people are ridiculous.

It’s not about the rule of the law. It’s about driving smart. Kimi should know damn well someone is always going to be there in turn one of the race. There is ALWAYS someone there. Just hold your line. Chopping down on the corner is a recipe for disaster. Do you have “rights” to it? Sure but wouldn’t it be smarter to drive wise instead of right? As it turns out...yes. Because it ruined both of their races. Max cleared Perez and occupied the space he vacated. The rule also states leave a car width right?

Being the veteran Kimi should have known better. And Max expected a car width.

So who is right? No one because neither finished.

[Yobbo NZ]

Ah but remember, car in front has right to corner.
I think even if Kimi did leave a bit of space, the speed Max was going, he would have still clipped him anyway.

[JoeW]

Max was practically stopped at that point.

Again with the "right" to the corner. Knowing you have the "right" to everything doesn't mean you should drive like it. When the crosswalk says walk...I have the right to walk across safely...but I still cautiously look both ways.

[dodint]

Jesus I swear sometimes you people are ridiculous.


When everyone around you is crazy...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ok, this crazy needs to get involved... ;)

I’d agree 100% with ‘everyone’ else if Max punted Kimi from behind.

Reality is that Kimi hopped over Max’s front wheel.

Most likely Kimi wasn’t paying attention or Max was in a blind spot and Kimi didn’t see Max.

Personally I’d consider it a racing incident. It’s really be crazy if Max were assessed a penalty for that.

[JoeW]

When everyone around you is crazy...

You complete me

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ok, just saw the onboard footage from Perez's point of view. He started right behind Max and Kimi was next to Max. Max had a poor start. Perez surged past him and got right next to Kimi but a bit behined. So I'm sure Kimi's mirror was only full of the racing point's pink car. Perez realized that he ain't passing Kimi so he backed off, Kimi probably thought he was safe to shut the door on him... but at this point, Max surged pass Perez and of course got into the same real estate Kimi committed himself to be in too...

So I think the incident probably occurred because Perez was in between Kimi and Max... that's why neither saw each other until Perez bailed out of there at the last minute. It's a racing incident. Considering JoeW owns both drivers, I'm sure he's lecturing his drivers to be careful and respectful of each other for the next race! ;)

Starting @ 2:56

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gPXpPxfNik

[FaultyMario]

That second hit up Raidillon is inexcusable.

[JoeW]

Perez was screwed there because he had Max to his right...he couldn't get overlap on Kimi's rear wheel so he had to brake or rear end Kimi. So he bailed out left to the free area. Max inhabited the now clear area vacated by Perez....and did have quite a bit of overlap. But Kimi assumed incorrectly he was clear to chop down on the corner.

Meh...I will fine all parties involved ;)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Although I'm also one of the fanboi, after careful post analysis, I have to conclude it's really mostly Max's fault.

If he didn't screw up his launch so badly, surely this incident could've been easily avoided. :p

Max would've easily been ahead of Kimi and there'd be no way for Kimi to shut the door on him.

[JoeW]

He did not properly control his own destiny...more fines...

[Crazed_Insanity]

That second hit up Raidillon is inexcusable.

Are you referring to incident on 7:17?

Yeah, normally hitting another car like that would be inexcusable, but if you just rewind 1 second earlier... you could see Max's front left wheel wobbling... failing... prior to his 2nd contact with Kimi. That 2nd contact resulted in total and complete steering failure which sent him into the wall.

It's an unfortunate racing incident. Surely Team principle JoeW would prefer his 2 teammates NOT touching like that too, but that's racing. Sometimes shit happens.

Just glad nobody died.

[JoeW]

Fines!

[balki]

Race 14 : Italian Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 505
2 Blerpa 435
3 Yobbo 434
4 IMOA 398
4 JoeW 398
6 Ashie 390
7 Mopar 386
8 billi 385
9 Balki 378
10 cuda 375
11 G'day 339
12 Mario 323
13 Team Suck 322
14 Alan P 307
14 Godson 307
16 FaF 284

[Crazed_Insanity]

Holding on to 8th place!

Team Suck is having a remarkable season so far...

[Yobbo NZ]

1 point now 🤣

[FaultyMario]

22 points with Ric and Hul in my team?

Get in the bin Vettel!

[2ndMoparMan]

Well, fourth seems not so out of reach now.

[balki]

Race 15 : Singapore Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 527
2 Blerpa 454
3 Yobbo 446
4 JoeW 431
5 Ashie 425
6 Mopar 419
7 billi 418
8 IMOA 412
9 cuda 408
10 Balki 391
11 G'day 353
12 Mario 350
13 Team Suck 339
14 Alan P 337
15 Godson 328
16 FaF 307

[Crazed_Insanity]

7th!

I’m finally above average!

[2ndMoparMan]

I moved up!

[CudaMan]

Cracked the top 10. A victory for me in GTXFF1!

[Crazed_Insanity]

:lol:

[balki]

Race 16 : Russian Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 571
2 Blerpa 492
3 Yobbo 486
4 JoeW 458
5 billi 447
6 Mopar 446
7 Ashie 443
8 IMOA 441
9 cuda 435
10 Balki 419
11 G'day 371
12 Team Suck 370
13 Alan P 364
14 Mario 359
15 Godson 346
16 FaF 322

[Crazed_Insanity]

Alright! Shooting up to 5th!!!

Only matter of time before I clinch the championship!

[2ndMoparMan]

I am right behind you. About time my team starting showing up.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If only Charlie boy and max could win the rest of the races, maybe we, including JoeW, could share the podium... ;)

[JoeW]

Ok...now all we need is someone to put sand the Mercedes tank before every race from here on out.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If Vettel didn’t suffer a failure at such an opportune time, Mercedes might not finish 1 2!

Ferrari probably has upped its game. Need Honda to do the same now... of course sand in silver tanks might help... ;)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Hey Balki, are you still around? Hope you're okay?

[FaultyMario]

The Renaults have been DSQ from the Japanese GP.


1 77 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 25
2 5 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 18
3 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 15
4 23 Alexander Albon Red Bull-Honda 12
5 55 Carlos Sainz Jnr McLaren-Renault 10
6 16 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 8
7 10 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso-Honda 6
8 11 Sergio Perez Racing Point-Mercedes 4
9 18 Lance Stroll Racing Point-Mercedes 2
10 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Honda 1





1 Mercedes 612
2 Ferrari 435
3 Red Bull 323
4 McLaren 111
5 Renault 68 (was 77)
6 Toro Rosso 62
7 Racing Point 58 (was 54)
8 Alfa Romeo 35
9 Haas 28
10 Williams 1

[balki]

Race 17 : Japanese Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 612
2 Blerpa 518
3 Yobbo 516
4 Ashie 486
5 JoeW 466
6 IMOA 457
7 Mopar 456
8 billi 455
9 cuda 443
10 Balki 435
11 G'day 404
12 Team Suck 399
13 Alan P 390
14 Mario 387
15 Godson 354
16 FaF 336

all good billi, just semi-offline for a bit.

[CudaMan]

Not a good Turn 2 for me in Japan... (I have Leclerc and Verstappen :lol:)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Me too. Back down to 8th position. :|

[Kchrpm]

At what point do Nate and I have this locked up?

[Freude am Fahren]

At least I'm winning the F1.com league lol

[balki]

At what point do Nate and I have this locked up?
I should ban Nate three races for your audacity (more like latency; this league was over in May when Mercedes managed to score 217 points out of a possible 215)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes ban ban ban!!!

[dodint]

Champions always have hanger-ons.

[balki]

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 652
2 Yobbo 551
3 Blerpa 547
4 Ashie 519
5 IMOA 487
5 JoeW 487
7 Mopar 477
8 billi 476
9 cuda 464
9 Balki 464
11 G'day 425
12 Team Suck 420
13 Alan P 415
14 Mario 410
15 Godson 372
16 FaF 355

[Crazed_Insanity]

Back to being average again. I've been stuck in 8th for most of the season... sigh... but at least I don't SUCK! :p

[balki]

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 695
2 Blerpa 584
2 Yobbo 584
4 Ashie 544
5 JoeW 516
6 IMOA 514
7 Mopar 505
8 billi 504
9 cuda 492
10 Balki 491
11 G'day 458
12 Team Suck 451
13 Alan P 438
14 Mario 423
15 Godson 394
16 FaF 376

[Blerpa]

Are the standings updated with Kyvat's penalty?
He has been given a 5 seconds penalty: 10th place lost to Perez (which gains 1 point) and final position 12th.

[balki]

yes, but grandprix.com botched the order, correct standings below after the United States Grand Prix


Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 695
2 Blerpa 583
3 Yobbo 582
4 Ashie 544
5 IMOA 515
5 JoeW 515
7 Mopar 505
8 billi 504
9 cuda 492
10 Balki 490
11 G'day 458
12 Team Suck 451
13 Alan P 438
14 Mario 424
15 Godson 395
16 FaF 376

[balki]

Race 20 : Brazilian Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 701
2 Blerpa 638
3 Yobbo 625
4 JoeW 552
5 Ashie 544
6 IMOA 541
7 Mopar 530
8 billi 529
9 Balki 526
10 cuda 517
11 Team Suck 503
12 G'day 484
13 Mario 459
14 Alan P 456
15 Godson 425
16 FaF 412

[Crazed_Insanity]

Thought Haas could perhaps shine this weekend... so I was aiming to overtake JoeW, but not only did Haas had a poor weekend, Kimi also performed exceptionally... so looks like I catching up to Joe won’t be possible and I probably will end the season being average again! :p

Still, it has been a fun season!

[balki]

Race 21 : Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

Pos Owner Points
1 dodint 738
2 Blerpa 668
3 Yobbo 657
4 JoeW 585
5 Ashie 566
5 IMOA 566
7 Mopar 563
8 billi 562
9 Balki 551
10 cuda 550
11 Team Suck 524
12 G'day 496
13 Alan P 479
14 Mario 470
15 Godson 440
16 FaF 427

[Crazed_Insanity]

Congrats to dodint!

It’s been an average season for me, but an interesting season overall! Team suck must’ve gotten a huge bump from Mclaren? Something probably nobody expected? At least not me.

I particularly didn’t expect Leclerc beating Vettel in his 1st year... we all know he’s good, but this for sure won’t be good for Vettels career...

Anyway, thanks for another fun season balki! :up:

[Blerpa]

Congrats to Nat!
I tried till the end, but, to me, it was all over after three quarters of the season were run.
Yet I managed to keep at bay a rising Yobbo there :D
Thanks people and thanks a lot to Balki to have taken the time to organize and run this!

See you next season, Blerpa Motorsports will be there ;)

[dodint]

Thanks!

And thanks to balki for taking the time to do this. It makes watching the mid-field more interesting for sure.

Vettel really tanked Ashie's season. :lol:

[Yobbo NZ]

Always fun, but finding it hard to remember who I'd picked after each week. Have to go back to the start and check. Thanks for this season.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Vettel really tanked Ashie's season. :lol:

Yeah, I initially thought that was a stroke of genius... and it’d be between you and ashie fighting for the championship, but I think both Vettel and Bottas failed to live up to their true potential...

[JoeW]

Well Bottas did get a comfortable 2nd place in the championship. I’d hate to be your kid if you think that’s not good enough :)

I’d say he did pretty damn good considering who his teammate was.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes, but in the beginning of the season, I thought we might see Bottas standing closer to Hamilton rather than Max the 3rd place finisher. Bottas 2.0 really looked quite strong right? But I think that momentum somehow vaporized.

If he could continue that momentum and had Vettel lives up to expectations, there’s no way you could finish ahead of ashie! :p

[Ashie]

I'll take fifth for my first year and damn that Vettel for a sucko year. Thanks again Balki for doing all the stats/counting etc. Until next season.....

[balki]

Thanks guys.
Congrats Nate!
Oddly enough Mercedes was not the ideal team. Albon, Sainz, Bottas and Leclerc would have scored 40 points more (Bottas and seven mid-field drivers could have also beat dodnit)

Driver Values
46.0 Alexander Albon
32.0 Carlos Sainz Jr.
24.5 Lando Norris
19.2 Valtteri Bottas
18.5 Daniil Kvyat
17.9 Lewis Hamilton
14.7 Charles Leclerc
14.6 Max Verstappen
14.3 Kimi Räikkönen
10.4 Sergio Pérez
10.4 Sebastian Vettel
9.0 Daniel Ricciardo
7.4 Nico Hülkenberg
7.0 Lance Stroll
7.0 Antonio Giovinazzi
6.8 Pierre Gasly
6.7 Kevin Magnussen
2.7 Romain Grosjean
1.0 Robert Kubica
0.0 George Russell

[dodint]

Woooo!

[Alan P]

40M budget. Hamilton and Mercedes should be more than 40M together.