Gran Turismo 7

[The359]

It's been announced for PlayStation 5. No release date as of yet, but two videos have been put out, a trailer and a brief gameplay video. Lots of new Porsches, Trial Mountain and Daytona make a return, and there appears to be some day/night cycle of some sort.

This game is clearly a return to the Gran Turismo formula of old with a heavy campaign mode, including the return of GT Auto, Used Car Lots, and Tuning.


https://youtu.be/xw4_EH0FtQU


https://youtu.be/jQa-MdAKjAM

[FaultyMario]

So that Australian sim-seat manufacturer did indeed spill the beans (http://gtxforums.net/showthread.php?1930-PlayStation-5&p=150339&viewfull=1#post150339). In regards to the logo, at least.

[Rare White Ape]

I’ll just immortalise this here from my Grab Turismo 7 thread…


https://youtu.be/oz-O74SmTSQ

[Rare White Ape]

I spy a GT Sport mention on the brief glimpse of the home screen, so that’s pretty important.

[The359]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQrdw-WoAApw68?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQrciqWAAAWPqJ?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQqel3XgAMCoiA?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQrdw0WoAIWkvS?format=jpg&name=large

[Dicknose]

Back to the old "map" style menu

Hmm not so sure on Sarah and Rupert!

[The359]

I'd guess they only show up the first time you play the game. And probably have an option in the menu.

[Yw-slayer]

I'm not trying to be funny, but why is it called "Understeer Engineering" and why are both Sarah and Rupert... I mean. Can we have an option to change the identity of the actor/actress?

[Freude am Fahren]

I'm not trying to be funny, but why is it called "Understeer Engineering" and ....

Because it's Gran Turismo?

[Yw-slayer]

So... in-joke? lol

[Rare White Ape]

Sarah is kinda hot. Rupert is a boomer.

There are probably other characters.

[Kchrpm]

All I want to see is that it supports VR in every mode, as just an option to turn on, rather than being a separate mode.

[Tom Servo]

Videos left me way less excited than the screenshot with the 86. That's what I really missed with GT:Sport, I think - lots of random road cars to drive around foolishly.

[FaultyMario]

Does that marker near the Arizona-New Mexico border mean that RRV is back?

[The359]

Does that marker near the Arizona-New Mexico border mean that RRV is back?

There seems to be a lot of speculation about the dots on the map, including the one in Texas and the one near Utah. One may be the Northern Isle Speedway, and another may be Special Stage Route X, both of which are confirmed as being "American".

Blue Moon Bay was shown to be one of the dots in California.

[Rare White Ape]

There’s a mystery dot in the region of Weissach and Hockenheim as well…

[The359]

There’s a mystery dot in the region of Weissach and Hockenheim as well…

Circuit Sainte-Croix

[JoeW]

God dammit. I sold my wheel and stopped playing GT Sport a couple of years ago due to it just being boring and shitty. PCars 1/2 was shitty but in different ways.

Maybe this will spark my interest in the old GT again.

[Jason]

I just hope I start with a shitty econobox and have to work my way up. As much as I like Forza, starting out with 8 super cars and 2 trillion dollars takes away some of the fun and excitement of earning a nice car.

[The359]

I just hope I start with a shitty econobox and have to work my way up. As much as I like Forza, starting out with 8 super cars and 2 trillion dollars takes away some of the fun and excitement of earning a nice car.

Don't pre-order the game

[XHawkeye]

Don't pre-order the game

:up: :up:

[2ndMoparMan]

https://twitter.com/JimmyBroadbent/status/1274386347784986624

Seems relevant.

[Jason]

Don't pre-order the game

Even if you don’t pre-order Forza you get all sorts of bonuses for playing previous games, iirc. Or are you talking about GT? Haven’t had a GT game in a long time.

[Kchrpm]

I think he means Gran Turismo: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-6-preorder-guide/

[The359]

Yeah, I meant GT. I don't think any GT game has rolled any bonuses over to the next game, except maybe Prologue?

[Dicknose]

Having unaffordable cars that you can instead buy with real dollars is a bit annoying.
I dont mind a bit of a grind to earn cars, but if you want more than a few of the eleventy billion dollar cars its just a ridiculous amount of game time to earn them.

[Rare White Ape]

Yeah the 20mil cars are stupid. I grinded for weeks to earn enough to buy the 250 GTO in GTS and found it underwhelming to drive compared to the same car in Assetto.

Having multiple cars at that high cost is not real fun. Plus you can’t even buy them via MTX. It’s a pure gameplay earn only!

Unless you’re good enough to beat Lewis Hamilton’s laptimes!

[FaultyMario]

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/racefansdotnet-20200705-192350-6.jpg

So there will no longer be those crazy SV levitation cars and instead there'll be blinged out W196 on twentys?

[balki]

What are the chances of this being out with a year?
Wasn't GT6 released without much fanfare/hype/public announcement?

If it's going to be a glorified GT:S with a proper offline mode (would totally buy) it seems plausible. Also plausible; we get a prologue and the full GT7 releases on the PS6.

[Rare White Ape]

GT6 marked the 15th anniversary of the series. It had a ton of improvements, but it felt more like a continuation of GT5. However it’s online mode was much more robust and it was the first game to feel like it had a lot of online connectivity with its timed events and whatnot, plus a good amount of free DLC to compliment the paid stuff.

I think people had definitely begun experiencing GT delay fatigue by then, and it was very late in the PS3 lifespan, so it’s no surprise that it may have flown under the radar a bit.

The chances of GT7 being out before Christmas next year?

Very slim.

[balki]

I was actually hoping for a demo/prologue this year and the full game out by Golden Week 2021.

Re-watched the announcement trailer; it looks like they went from the menu to the track within 3 seconds. That is really impressive (if it's the actual loading time and not editing).

[Rare White Ape]

According to this trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJd6QwU91A&ab_channel=PlayStation

GT7 "anticipated first half 2021"

So, a 2022 release then?

[XHawkeye]

So, a 2022 release then?

If you're feeling very optimistic. At least the PS5 supply should be adequate and one will have plenty of time to save up.

[Rare White Ape]

In news that is set to shock the world, GT7 has been delayed to 2022.

Sony has said it is due to challenges presented by the ongoing pandemic.

The next delay, due later this year, will push the game back to 2023.

[dodint]

Oh.....geee......nooooo waaaaay.

[Freude am Fahren]

But that delay will probably be delayed.

[Rare White Ape]

Sony has said via Twitter that GT7 will be a cross-release on PS4 and PS5.

Big thumbs-up from me for that.

[dodint]

Sometime after the PS6 announcement.

[Rare White Ape]

Maybe we will all be able to walk into a shop on a whim and buy a PS5 by then.

[Jason]

He said PS6, not PS7

[Rare White Ape]

March 4th 2022 allegedly


https://youtu.be/1tBUsXIkG1A

[dodint]

https://fablesofaesop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/croxall-0291-shepherds-boy.jpg

[Kchrpm]

Sure is pretty. I wonder what's up with the one part of the trailer that seemed to be in 30 fps instead of 60.

[Rare White Ape]

Information...

https://blog.playstation.com/2021/09/09/gran-turismo-7-arrives-on-ps5-and-ps4-march-4/

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51440914293_91023f2bfb_h.jpg

[Jason]

Seeing how clean and straight forward the interface is a breath of fresh air after playing Forza Motorsport for the last... 15(!) years, since I didn't have a PS3, and the mainline series skipped PS4. Cannot wait to try this out when it releases.

[Tom Servo]

Trying to figure out if you have to buy the deluxe physical version of the game to get the Tom's Supra. That'd suck.

[Rare White Ape]

I'm sure that if you did it would be in your garage for free. Others would have to earn the credits. That's how it went with GT Sport: the various retailer exclusive cars were just region-specific car packs that anyone could buy in-game and you just got a scratch card with a bunch of them for free.

[Tom Servo]

I'm totally fine with that. I'm hoping we don't end up in that situation where there's one car I basically will never get in Forza Horizon 4 because I didn't pre-order the game at Gamestop or some shit. I don't mind just having to grind to get something that's still possible to get.

[Rare White Ape]

Well I went ahead and pre ordered the 25th anniversary edition. It has a PS5 game disc and a download code for the PS4 version, so I’m good to go with whichever console I happen to own in March… or in the month it’s delayed to :p

[Yw-slayer]

Owning a PS5 by March at RRP? Optimistic...

[MR2 Fan]

New Footage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9jikqFiOnc

[Rare White Ape]

Less that two months to go and this hasn't been delayed. What da fuk?

Also I am experiencing an overwhelming feeling of 'MEH' for this. The online will suck and the AI will suck. The actual driving experience will likely be identical to GT Sport.

But also I am keen to do some car collecting and modifying because why not, so I have the PS4/PS5 dual pack pre-ordered. I will have to unpack my PS4 and get it all updated, but I am definitely NOT buying a PS5 just to play it.

[MR2 Fan]

I'm hoping we go back to having full car mods like the old GT games and car collecting...that's the main thing I'm hoping for.

[Rare White Ape]

We are. It has already been confirmed.

On top of this we’re also getting the livery editor from GT Sport, so personalisation will be turned up to 11.

[2ndMoparMan]

inb4 eleventy billion penis cars

[Dicknose]

but I am definitely NOT buying a PS5 just to play it.
Like you could get one anyway!

[Rare White Ape]

Like you could get one anyway!

I actually enquired at my local EB on their wait times for PS5s. Close to Christmas it was about two months. Going by that, if I pre-ordered one today I'd only be out by two weeks!

[Tom Servo]

Y'all got to find yourself a neighbor like mine. It's her hobby to try to find hard-to-find things. I didn't even want a PS5 and goddamn if she didn't show up with one. I just assume she'll be less effective in AU.

[Yobbo NZ]

You reckon she could find a Series X and send it down under for free? 😁

[Tom Servo]

Probably yes to the first part, but I know from shipping some Rock Band gear out there that ain't happening for free :)

[Rare White Ape]

That was ages ago!

It's even worse now. Seems like USPS has supercharged their prices.

[stephenb]

This looks..... comprehensive! Nice to see they kicked off with the Sunday Cup 😊

[MR2 Fan]

When they say it's been 25 years

https://media2.giphy.com/media/GrUhLU9q3nyRG/200.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlbMzBnfnzM

[Jason]

Watching the first few mins of the State of Play (will watch the rest later) and just the menus and overall vibe of the game are a breath of fresh air. Also I very very much like that they are implementing ‘history of’ various cars, manufacturers, etc so it’s kind of like a car museum within the game. Helps influence me to actually care about the ‘collection’ aspect of a game like this. FM tried this with all the tiers and stuff, but I just did not care about 90% of the cars because they were just cars, with no interesting facts or anything behind them.

[Yw-slayer]

I am ridiculously excited to see it becoming The Real Weather Simulator.

[Jason]

Oh… there’s no FiST in the game, well that dampens the excitement a bit :(

[dodint]

They didn't have time to model it.

[Rare White Ape]

I can't believe we have gone from announcement to being within a month of release with zero delays.

[Jason]

Why would you say that

[Rare White Ape]

Are you referring to me, or Nate?

In other news, Kaz confirmed that any liveries and decals you've made for GT Sport will be transferrable into GT7. Hooray!

[MR2 Fan]

I am ridiculously excited to see it becoming The Real Weather Simulator.

:lol:

Yeah I was thinking "ehhh, is it really necessary?" but that's Kaz...he loves doing pet projects of stuff. A lot of these modes they're acting like they are new but were just in previous GT games. It seems to be a "best of the best" and is this the first time we officially have drag racing? (I remember the Palm Strip debacle)

[Yw-slayer]

I'm seriously impressed by it. We've come a long way since Test Drive 3's localised weather with windscreen wipers, even though those were great.

[MR2 Fan]

I keep thinking of Neil Degrasse Tyson complaining about the starfield in the movie Titanic being wrong

[Jason]

Are you referring to me, or Nate?

You.

I feel like even thinking about that will delay the game lol

[Rare White Ape]

Oh, sorry. I should keep my big mouth shut :D

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, don't jinx us!

[JoeW]

Any of you on the GTPlanet site? Drive in any online series with GTSport currently?

[Yw-slayer]

I think about buying a pz5 to get this. Then I realise I should either buy a new pc, or buy more crypto.

[Rare White Ape]

It’s on PS4 as well.

I remind people of this in case they’re unaware, unless they specifically want a PS5 to play it on.

[dodint]

Yeah, I'm on a PS4P. Maybe I'll ask for this for Christmas next year. A friend that used to work for Sony gifted me a free copy of GT:S and I've grown accustomed to not paying for this. :lol:

[Rare White Ape]

I should unpack my PS4 and get it updated. It’s been a loooong time since I switched it on.

[Freude am Fahren]

Do you have to choose, or can you buy it and play it on a PS4 until you get a PS5?

[Rare White Ape]

I’m not sure on the exact specifics. I think if you buy digitally you might be able to upgrade for like $10. Best to research that before you buy.

What I’ve done is buy the 25th Anniversary edition which has the PS5 disc in physical form with a download code for PS4. It’s way cheaper than buying both individually at full price:

(EB games AU)
Anniversary edition $155
PS4 disc $110
PS5 disc $125

[Yw-slayer]

Oh, I'd forgotten about it also being a ps4 game. But surely I should still spend the money on crypto...

[MR2 Fan]

This is a really silly thing, but I kinda wish you could choose LHD or RHD versions of cars. Practically it makes no difference in gameplay...maybe slightly with in-car view, but still wish it was an option (for those cars that were sold with both layouts available)

[Freude am Fahren]

That would be neat. Has any game done that. Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult.

[Tom Servo]

Review embargo's been lifted. Looks like it's got an 88/100 on Metacritic right now. Overall reviews seem strong, main complaint I'm seeing is shitty AI.

[MR2 Fan]

I'm buying it for my PS4 Pro but will be interested to see the side-by-side comparisons to PS5 graphics

[Rare White Ape]

I'm buying it for my PS4 Pro but will be interested to see the side-by-side comparisons to PS5 graphics

Digital Foundry on YouTube has an overview video out with some small comparisons, but they will have a more in-depth comparison video in the coming days.

The main differences will be screen resolution and frame rate for different sections of the game. I’ve seen a few shots where grass on the infield is more detailed but that’s about all I’ve seen so far. I think you wouldn’t know the difference unless you were having a really close look.

[XHawkeye]

Longer load times is the main difference.


The PS5 version runs at 60 fps at 4K resolution, with some fancy ray-tracing effects added in for replays and demo scenes. By contrast, GT7 on the PS4 runs at 2K resolution, and load times are significantly longer between screens—expect to wait about 30 seconds to load a new race, compared to less than 10 seconds on a PS5. For context, that's about as long as, or slightly longer than, it takes to load a race in GT: Sport (which is only available for the PS4). Graphics are comparable between GT: Sport and the PS4 version of GT7 as well.

[dodint]

Yeah, I can wait.

[XHawkeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mB2kbAWOA

[MR2 Fan]

Digital Foundry on YouTube has an overview video out with some small comparisons, but they will have a more in-depth comparison video in the coming days.

The main differences will be screen resolution and frame rate for different sections of the game. I’ve seen a few shots where grass on the infield is more detailed but that’s about all I’ve seen so far. I think you wouldn’t know the difference unless you were having a really close look.

Good overview...looks pretty good and honestly some of the ray-tracing doesn't look better to me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vGkn18_DA

[Rare White Ape]

Longer load times is the main difference.

If the PS5 players can quickly load into an online race, they will still be waiting for the PS4 players who are racing with them on cross play anyway.

[Rare White Ape]

I've just been watching part of Jimmer's stream of the GT mode and I can say that it's the real deal :D

[Rare White Ape]

Super GT has a video review out. I've watched part of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mB2kbAWOA&ab_channel=SuperGT

He says the physics are more detailed than GTS. Things like kerbs, bumps, and puddles have more of a consequence to careless driving, plus you can't turn the steering hard and expect to make a corner like you could with GTS.

Wet weather is not available at all tracks; just Spa, Nurburgring, Red Bull Ring, Le Mans, Autopolis, Suzuka, Fuji, Tokyo Expressway, Tsukuba and High Speed Ring. 24 hr time of day is available everywhere though.

Online the tuning meta is currently unknown but I would not be surprised if the FIA Manufacturers/Nations Cup modes from GTS are under very strict conditions with fixed setups, and then open tuning races with some level of curated freedom (i.e. weekly challenges) are also provided, with full custom lobbies made available on the side. Penalties for passing under yellow or crossing the pit exit line are present, but no info on collision penalties yet.

Racing against AI is OK if you bring a feather to a pillow fight. Reading between the lines, the AI is still fucking shit.

Driving camera can be adjusted a little bit. But sorry sim nerds or FOV police, the FOV cannot be adjusted. Your best FOV slider is the TV size filter when buying a bigger TV on the Best Buy website. Rear view mirror only available on the bumper cam.

Rolling start distances can be adjusted now, but the minimum length is 50 ft. If real-life racing is anything to go by, then need to make a 5 ft distance the minimum.

All that said, after 25 years, don't come in here with mouth agape expecting a Gran Turismo title to fix all the things everyone has complained about since 1997.

[Jason]

It annoys me so much that rear view mirror isn’t available in all views in GT/FM

[Kchrpm]

It annoys me so much that rear view mirror isn’t available in all views in GT/FM

Ditto. Made even sillier because some cars have visible mirrors/rear view monitors, so it's technically possible (at least in FM).

[tcheph]

hey you guys.

figured it was a good day to come back.

gu/\//\/\etal

[dodint]

wb

[Kchrpm]

Welcome back!

[tcheph]

ack deleted my reply. ty both; missed everyone.

I'll be on ps4 tonight at midnight eastern when it launches here, psn still notgm.

[Tom Servo]

Fuckin' a, welcome back

[pl8ster]

ack deleted my reply. ty both; missed everyone.

I'll be on ps4 tonight at midnight eastern when it launches here, psn still notgm.

Oh shit, I forgot you had that dumb gtxf username. Foomblap

[Rare White Ape]

Hey welcome back!

It’s always a good day when a new GT launches and you go to the shop and collect that special item with the disc inside.

And it brings people out of the woodwork :)

[Rare White Ape]

I’ve very briefly played a small section of the game that it gives you while waiting for the main parts of it to download. You’ve probably seen the Music Rally clips and laughed about them. Yeah, that!

And straight away I can tell that the physics are really good for the little old cars they let you drive. Heaps better than GTS. The FFB running through my Fanatec wheel is very communicative. I’ve turned off all the assists, and if you’re too late catching a slide then it’s wall time for you. Only trouble is the music for this game mode drowns out the engine and tyre sounds so that makes it a bit trickier.

I’m really looking forward to playing the rest of this, but I have to wait about 12 hours for the other 85 GB of the game proper to dribble its way through my internet connection.

[Tom Servo]

Tearing around in this Honda Fit is so reminding me of what I love about this series.

Also, either I've gotten better or the license tests are easier than I remember. Already got gold on the B one.

[Jason]

I may have purposefully waited until this morning to actually purchase the game, because I didn’t want the extra money/cars from preordering, since that’s been a big gripe of Forza the last couple versions.

I’ll probably regret it once the grind sets in :lol:

[JoeW]

Mine is on the UPS truck for delivery today. I work all weekend so probably won’t be able to play til Monday.

[Tom Servo]

Huh - I had like 120,000 credits, then suddenly I have 1.75 million. I have no idea where they came from.

[Yw-slayer]

Sup, mam

[Tom Servo]

Ahh, I think it was a pre-order bonus that just kicked in.

For what it's worth, I still haven't even used the cars that came with the pre-order.

[CudaMan]

Welcome back gm!

Anyone know what the word is on how 7 feels with the T-GT? Not keen on buying another wheel at this stage. I'm not sure when I'll get GT7, but I'm sure I will!

[Tom Servo]

I don't a wheel set up for console gaming, so can't help much there. I can say that for controller racing, the adaptive triggers are a really nice addition on the PS5.

[Biggdogg]

Howdy again folks. After 6-8 hours in im enjoying it. Playing with ps5 controller and using motion steering. RWD cars feel almost undriveable though. If my shelby acted like the 350 in the game it would have killed me day 1 just trying to merge onto a highway at quarter throttle. Hell my BRZ would have killed me. There is some wonkyness going on with RWD handling, but its not every RWD car. Its very odd. The triggers im still getting used to, and hell just GT in general again. Didnt have a ps4 and got lucky and got a 5 a couple months ago so got up to speed on sport somewhat. Hope everyone is enjoying a numbered GT again. Only took a decade lol.

[Tom Servo]

Another welcome back!

[Darius]

Hey Everyone, probably going to download this tonight for PS5. Looks great, probably be stuck on controllers for a bit but oh well, its how I played the first 3 most of the time.

PS hope everyone has been doing well.

[Jason]

If I miss another Gold by 5 thousandths of a second, I’m going to lose my mind

[MR2 Fan]

I'm just starting out, but noticed when trying to see if I can turn off the "typing" noises of the people you meet at the cafe (don't like that sound) that there's sliders to change the Tire Squeal noise!! Finally!! Also you can change engine noise and some others.

The tire squeal noise always bothered me with GT games, the ability to adjust it is awesome.

[Yw-slayer]

I'm not keen on paying USD800-900 for a PS5, or on waiting 30 seconds to load a race on the PS4. I think I may have to pass for a year or two, especially as I don't have time to play it (and only have a 14 year old 1080p plasma) anyway!

[Rare White Ape]

I'm chipping away at various races and stuff. I have a pre-order bonus of 1.5 mil Cr so lashed out and bought a GT3 racer, the NSX, to see how they feel.

I think I bought the wrong one because on stock settings it handles like a bag of shit. It's very prone to spooky mid-corner handling on fast turns and just lets the rear wheels do whatever they want. Suzuka's 130R is nigh-on impossible to navigate - zero rear grip.

Thankfully I could brute-force tune most of it out by setting front and rear sway bars to opposite extremes, but I'd be at a massive disadvantage in Sport Mode races if they use fixed setups. I hope the devs look into this before any FIA competitions begin this year.

[Jason]

So, a bit of a mini review.

Preface, I haven’t played Gran Turismo since GT4 on PS2… in 2004 :eek: I have been playing Forza Motorsport/Horizon since then though, so that’s my reference point hah. Also I’m a filthy casual compared to you all, I generally keep ABS on, TC to a low/mid level, and SC off. Sometimes using AT, sometimes using MT, depending on the car. Usually have braking icons on.

Pros:


Absolutely love the general vibe of the game compared to FM. It’s cleaner, it’s less ‘Mountain Dew extreme’. Things are clear and straight forward.
The feel of the PS5 controller is absolutely amazing. The haptic feedback in the triggers especially so. Every car has a different pedal feel, it’s kind of nuts. Also the vibration motors are so much better than Xbox controllers in subtlety and nuance. I can feel the difference between a bump on the road vs a transmission shift vs bumping someone.
Something about the color/lighting in this game feels a bit more accurate, especially in primary colors. This could be me, or it could be GT’s color science, I have no clue. There just seems to be a bit more nuance in tone.
It’s nice seeing some slightly more obscure Japanese cars again, and it’s nice seeing some of the older tracks again.
I really appreciate that every car I’ve seen so far has basically a mini Wiki entry for it. It’s nice to see why I ‘need’ to collect a car, if I’m going to be forced into a collection progression system


Cons:


No damage model is something I didn’t realize I’d miss, was surprised to see that GT lacks visible damage when so many other games have it
I didn’t expect this, but I prefer Forza’s upgrade and tuning sections. You don’t really get to see much detail in terms of changes to your car when buying things. Might be something I need to get used to, but as of now it feels less transparent in GT7 vs FM7
No Fiesta ST is a crime against humanity, and semi related, it seems like a lot of newer cars are missing. Like they mostly stopped modeling cars in 2016 or something
Surprisingly, I think FM7 has more detailed interiors than GT7


I’m sure I’ll think of more stuff, but so far I am very much enjoying the game overall. I do wish I could take the good bits of both series and mash them together though.

[samoht]

RWD cars feel almost undriveable though. If my shelby acted like the 350 in the game it would have killed me day 1 just trying to merge onto a highway at quarter throttle. Hell my BRZ would have killed me. There is some wonkyness going on with RWD handling, but its not every RWD car. Its very odd.

Agree.

The effect of applying power to the rear wheels is very marked in this game. If it was perhaps too easy to drive RWD cars in prior games, I feel they've gone too far the other way this time; as you say especially with the cars sliding on light throttle. Very easy also to over-correct and snap into the barrier.

However, I have found that fitting better tyres makes things a lot more manageable.

I was running the 550PP race at High Speed Ring in a stock FD on stock Sports Hard tyres, and was all over the place, going sideways at speed in 5th on the banking. Well outside its real life behaviour. Upgraded to Sports Medium and it was better, upgraded again to Sports Soft tyres and it's a lot more reasonable. It still goes sideways, but nothing like as fast and as far; with a bit of practice I was able to take the win and start to feel like I'm mostly in control of the car, rather than the other way around. So yeah, if you're running into this with RWD cars then do upgrade the tyres and see how much better it gets.


The difficulty level is harder, much more to my liking. I'm actually having to make a repeated effort to get some of the Gold licences, which means I'm thinking about what I'm doing and learning something. Which is totally how it used to be in the first couple of games, and not how it's been more recently. Similarly, having opted for Hard difficulty level the races are appropriately challenging.


Overall really enjoying it, yes in some ways it's a lot like GT Sport, but the return of old tracks and having specific challenges to undertake, with a stiffer difficulty challenge, is making it really fun.

[MR2 Fan]

Not a fan of the "training wheels" aspect through most of the opener. This is the 8th main title in the GT Series if you count GT Sport....YES we know how this all works....so when the first lady asks if you've played a GT game before and you say "YES" it should let you skip a lot of the tutorials for n00bz. The same in the Scapes mode. The guy asks if you know how to use a camera, but apparently it doesn't mean crap if you say "yes" because he'll tutorialize it anyway.

Used Car lot is very sparse which I guess is like previous titles, but annoying that a lot of cars aren't available in the Brand Central area...so you either have to get really lucky/patient or find how to obtain the cars in other races if available.

I heard they didn't have some of the newest vehicles, but surprised there isn't even a C8 Corvette yet.

Apparently you can't sell or get rid of cars at all, unless you have a duplicate, you can "discard" one.

[Jason]

Yeah the rotating list of cars in the used car lot is a bit of a bummer… built in FOMO combined with the ability to purchase money is a bit sketchy

[Rare White Ape]

I'm having a lot of fun. I stuck a widebody on an AE86. Makes me want a Group A touring car league with 1980s boxes :)

Plus the livery editor is dangerous. Combined with the restored ability to fully customise cars, I will easily lose dozens of hours making them look awesome.

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[Jason]

Dumb question, do the front/rear body mods for road cars allow for adjustable aero, or no?

Edit: Answer appears to be yes

[CudaMan]

Oooh that's awesome RWA. N2 racing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdOBfo3PRWE&t=671s

[Rare White Ape]

Update to my AE86. A lick of paint and a few blocks of colour and she's rockin an 80s livery for sure :D

I REALLY want to set up a Group A 80s league!

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[Yobbo NZ]

All this nostalgia has made me dust off the PS3 and reinstall GT6.
I wished I hadn't.
Console has been on since about 11am, it's now 6.55pm...first it wanted to update the console, then GT6 needed an update and install.
It's telling me it'll take 280mins to install the game update 🙄
Now I remember why I ended up disliking this console.

[Jason]

That looks awesome RWA :up:

[Godson]

That ae86 is tits

[Rare White Ape]

Thanks guys :)

[Rare White Ape]

Something has been bothering me about the single player progression. Having the cafe with menus is good and all - those little goals to achieve are nice. But I think they should have been optional.

What I’m missing is seeing all of the races laid out before you all at once and being spoilt for choice. One thing I used to do in GT was pick a car to start with and then see how far I could get into the game and still win races without having to buy upgrades or a whole other car.

In the past it made the initial car choice much more consequential. Now in GT7 you’re given cars as prizes for little effort and these cars are ideal for the next part of the incredibly linear GT Mode. I’m no longer becoming attached to any particular car because you’re quickly asked to forget it and move to the next thing.

I’m only up to menu 11 or 12 (starting to do some North American stuff) so I don’t know what the late-game looks like, but I do want to see an array of choices again. Where’s my Boxer Cup? The FR Challenge? Grand Valley 300? Italian themed races? Manufacturer stuff or or one-make races? I want to be tasked with having to source my own car for an event and deciding which upgrades would be appropriate, rather than bring handed three cars that will allow you to win and don’t need modification.

[samoht]

One thing I used to do in GT was pick a car to start with and then see how far I could get into the game and still win races without having to buy upgrades or a whole other car.

In the past it made the initial car choice much more consequential. Now in GT7 you’re given cars as prizes for little effort and these cars are ideal for the next part of the incredibly linear GT Mode. I’m no longer becoming attached to any particular car because you’re quickly asked to forget it and move to the next thing.
...
I want to be tasked with having to source my own car for an event and deciding which upgrades would be appropriate, rather than bring handed three cars that will allow you to win and don’t need modification.

I agree. I also prefer to pick cars myself for races, so that's what I do, leaving the prizes mostly in the garage.

EG I bought a Viper (Mk1) for the American races, painted it blue and stickered it up with the white stripes in the livery editor, fitted SS tyres, and am enjoying the nostalgia of sliding it around Deep Forest and Trial Mountain.

Generally so far I've been able to build up a stable of a few of my favourite cars which cover most of the requirements - A110, DC2, BRZ, FD, Viper - and drive these most of the time.

I agree that it's more effort to opt out of the default prize cars, but it is an available option.

[MR2 Fan]

Something has been bothering me about the single player progression. Having the cafe with menus is good and all - those little goals to achieve are nice. But I think they should have been optional.

What I’m missing is seeing all of the races laid out before you all at once and being spoilt for choice. One thing I used to do in GT was pick a car to start with and then see how far I could get into the game and still win races without having to buy upgrades or a whole other car.

In the past it made the initial car choice much more consequential. Now in GT7 you’re given cars as prizes for little effort and these cars are ideal for the next part of the incredibly linear GT Mode. I’m no longer becoming attached to any particular car because you’re quickly asked to forget it and move to the next thing.

I’m only up to menu 11 or 12 (starting to do some North American stuff) so I don’t know what the late-game looks like, but I do want to see an array of choices again. Where’s my Boxer Cup? The FR Challenge? Grand Valley 300? Italian themed races? Manufacturer stuff or or one-make races? I want to be tasked with having to source my own car for an event and deciding which upgrades would be appropriate, rather than bring handed three cars that will allow you to win and don’t need modification.

Agreed, it's more frustrating the farther along in the "cafe" mode I get also....I still haven't unlocked all of the possible tracks. Also, it makes it feel like you have to do cafe stuff in order to make any progression. It would have been fine for like 3-4 activities total, but so much of this game is tied into that right now. Also, there's silly things like "Go put a spoiler on your car and come back"...really?

I hope they get feedback and make some structure changes, it wouldn't be difficult to do.

[Tom Servo]

I normally like to play the way RWA describes, but I'm also really enjoying the whole cafe thing. I agree it should be optional though.

[Rare White Ape]

I wouldn’t mind feature unlocks still being linked to it. I just don’t like how linear it is.

[Rare White Ape]

Oh! The STANCE!

I've decided I am going to buy random cool cars and just add widened arches and all the body kit stuff (plus a set of wheels, fully lowered race tune suspension, roll cage and a real quick lick of paint) when I reach certain credits milestones.

I just reached 1 mil and bought this 930. Next I will get to 1.5 mil and do another one, then 2 mil, and so-on.

Ooof! *bites lip*

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[Jason]

Continuing to want to merge GT7 and FM7, both games get some things right much more than others.

For example, I wanted to run some races last night with an Integra Type R I spent way too much time and money modifying, so I went into the ‘custom race’ mode, and found I couldn’t do anything to set my opponents to be realistic/appropriate in terms of vehicle selection makeup. Really frustrating. FM7 for example lets you set things like “Japanese Compact” or PI limits, etc

And on the modifying part, it’s frustrating how little info is given on some of the parts, so I end up ‘wasting’ money trying to figure out details.

I love the way the game feels, I love the presentation, and I really enjoy all the historical info the game gives about cars/manufacturers. But god damn do they need someone to shake the devs, so many little things can be done to improve the game greatly.

[Tom Servo]

I have to say that this is feeling far less like a slog than FM7 for me. I'm also really vastly preferring how the cars feel. I just did the "collect 3 Alfas" menu item in an E46 M3. That was really fun, the car had just enough power to get twitchy going over crests, and the feeling of the rain getting worse and worse at the Red Bull Ring was pretty impressive. A little slippery to start, then just a horrible deluge by the end where you're just struggling to keep the tires underneath the car.

I've missed this GT more than I realized.

[pl8ster]

Holy hell, it's easy to spin just about anything on the banked tracks. I don't remember that from before.

I'm enjoying the BMW 3.0 CSL immensely. Tom Servo - I just did the Alfa menu thing using it and had some pretty epic battles with a newer Mercedes something-or-other (don't keep track of their models and they're all hideous these days anyway). Won by .015 at Alsace and have yet to win at Sardegna.

[tcheph]

D) all of the above

oh how I've missed "simple" console sim racing

oh how I've missed prize cars i wouldn't have bought

oh how I've missed punting stupid ai into sand traps

i thought the cafe menu gimmick was annoying *until i collected four porsches*

really enjoying the "maaaaybe the weather will change?" aspect. with only a top three finish required to progress, a little bit of pressure is off and man is that fun. watched two ai porsches take each other out in the cup race at spa.

i have complaints (hitting a polygon wrong sends me flying ala gt2) but no time to really worry about the little things.

needs more lotus, more tvr, and will we ever see another vector?

[Jason]

On rear wheel drive cars… I, like everyone else, have been struggling with some of them simply rotating too much in corners. Tires helps a lot, but not completely, they still do wonky things it feels like. So I started messing more with the LSD since I don’t think it’s a traction issue (could be very wrong, I’m dumb), and that seems to be helping more. But things still feel off?

Next complaint… why the fuck isn’t there a weather forecast before races start? I’ve now run into multiple races where I had slicks and suddenly mid race it starts raining. Christ.

Oh, and you can’t just paint the hood/wing carbon fiber. You have to paint the entire car carbon fiber, then fill in the non carbon fiber bits with decals. Meaning no manufacturer/special colors in combination with a carbon fiber hood/wing. :mad:

[Tom Servo]

I've been finding being really gentle about leaning into high speed corners helps a lot with that over-rotation, but it still feels exaggerated. The ~600 M3 I've been using was rotating on Curva Grande in 4th until I tried to ease it into the corner to try to avoid unsettling the car too much and it held traction every time I did that.

Definitely a band-aid on a real issue, but in the meantime I've found that helpful.

[tcheph]

massive downforce and too much negative camber kinda works until SNAP it doesn't.

[Rare White Ape]

Oh, and you can’t just paint the hood/wing carbon fiber. You have to paint the entire car carbon fiber, then fill in the non carbon fiber bits with decals. Meaning no manufacturer/special colors in combination with a carbon fiber hood/wing. :mad:

Try painting your car in the livery editor’s paint menu (not the decal menu). Once you apply a paint it then splits the car into different sections and I’m pretty sure that will allow you to do what you are wanting.

Edit: never mind, I just checked and you can’t combine carbon with other colours, just as you were describing. That sucks.

[SkylineObsession]

I've been anticipating and quite hyped up for this game for quite a while, but after a couple days of playing it the hype/anticipation level is now below that of other games i own but haven't played yet. :( Because of the negative reasons below, one of which is so bad i created a petition (see standalone topic), i just don't have much of a desire to play it at the moment. Maybe it's just the excitement wearing off too quick, but part of me is also hoping some things get fixed in future updates. Which i also somewhat doubt too.

My plus and minus list so far (that i can remember).

The positives
+ Graphics have somehow got even better than GT Sport, in every way. Lighting is incredible, sun reflections, headlights, wet weather effects (like not being able to see anything of other cars than their headlights sometimes) and so on. By far the best looking car game i've ever played.

+ Pleasantly surprised to see the Testarossa in the game. It's a car i was wanting, but never expected to get (mind you, i thought i'd never see the F50 in a GT game either).
+ Loving the huge amount of customisation available for a number of cars: bodykits, licence plate deletes (wasn't expecting - i take the front plates off of almost every car i modify), all rims/paints available straight away (if you have money), roll cages (wasn't expecting), widebody kits, spoilers, front grill customisation (wasn't expecting), bonnet latches (wasn't expecting) etc etc. Also love how liveries can cover chrome body parts (like on the old Mini Cooper) and some windows.

+ Car sounds have gotten better still, i think. Mitsi GTO fully upgraded sounds epic. Getting sick of the kids at GTPlanet saying cars still sound like vacuum cleaners. They must have fvcking nice sounding vaccums then! GT has never had so much transmission whine, pops, crackles and so on.

+ I like how some tracks from GT Sport have had visual changes/upgrades, and in some cases new sections of track added.
+ I like the cafe system, for now. Do kinda miss the old layout of GT games, but i'm giving this idea a fair chance in GT7, so not trying to think negatively of it at the mo. It's making me drive and experience vehicles i may not have tried otherwise. Which could be the point.

+ Glad the used car dealership is back, but it doesn't seem to change much, very often?
+ In a way i'm glad that the prices of cars have gotten as expensive as they can get in real life, i.e. with R34's over $400k now i think. In another way i'm not glad, as i need more money!
+ Dynamic weather is awesome. Love being able to turn wipers on and off if i please too. If i don't, it's fun watching the droplets on the windscreen tear off at speed, jitter around over bumps and stay clustered together sometimes as they do in real life when wipers get turned off.

+ Time of day progression is also awesome, and i forgot how much i missed it from GT6. Headlight projection onto objects is cool (road signs get quite glare-y for example) and happy to see ai cars headlights work properly too.
+ Don't mind the music so far. It's about what i expect in a GT game.
+ Music Rally is ... different. I like it so far.

And the negatives, some of which are actually ruining the game for me (in caps).
- ROLLING START RACES. I'm so freaking over this crappy way of starting races. I wouldn't mind as much if they did rolling starts like they do in real races - double file, packed together - but not separated in a single line, with the race only starting as you in last place cross the finish line, with the guy in 1st already at the second or third corner. FFS Polyphony, STOP THIS SH1T!

- HORSEPOWER MAX. I've only fully modded a couple of cars so far, but am already annoyed that some vehicles are down 4-500hp from what they were able to get in GT1. Whereas in real life most cars in videogames can easily and somewhat reliably get more than 1,000hp. Skylines, Supras, Mustangs, Porsches, Lamborghinis, anything with a V8 and so on. But for some stupid reason, Polyphony have been steadily been decreasing the max HP since GT1 - i know because every successive game i always mod the 'usual suspects' and quickly discover they are not as powerful as they once were.

- LOW TRACTION LIMITS. Wet races i'm okay with, i know that everything gets slippery - i've oversteered and understeered enough in my real cars to realise this. But the traction in the dry, as some of you have already mentioned, is worse than ever (i'm not going to sugar coat it with reasons why it could be more realistic like this or not - i'm not playing Project Cars or other such sim-ier games, i don't need to nor want to be nervous around every damn corner and while accelerating along every damn straight. That is NOT Gran Turismo. This is the first GT game ever where i've had to turn traction control on (and in some cases countersteer assist etc too) to drive normal road cars in such a way that i don't spin out.
It's honestly making me feel like i'm playing a more serious game like Project Cars (which i gave up on pretty quick after spinning too many times) and not a Gran Turismo game. It is not fun, even though i really was trying to come to grips with it (no pun intended) and thought i was getting the hang of it in some races. But then BOOM, around i go yet again. These three things are the main contributors that are giving me almost zero inclination to play the game at the moment instead of something else. Battlefield 1, Far Cry New Dawn, Minecraft, Forza Horizon 4, Ace Combat 7 and Farming Simulator 20 all give me slightly higher inclinations to play at the moment.

- Don't like how some cars don't have as much customisation as others, but that's just me being greedy. Same deal with cars that i think should have more than the lots they already do, greed.
- Still miss my car horns from GT6. :(
- Wee bit gutted there's no non GT-R Skylines in the game. But hopefully one day.
- Still waiting for the McLaren P1.
- I do NOT like the new Trial Mountain layout. The track environs itself have never looked better and we no longer have the boring repetitive texture 'walls' along the back straight etc. But i don't like how wide the track now is, how flat it now is, how the back and front straights are significantly longer/more drawn out, how the last corner is so slow now and yadda yadda. I know why they did it, to fit more cars in the pits in online modes, but i just don't like it's new layout. I'd feel a 110% better if they released an offline only 'original' layout Trial Mountain, with the same environmental look it has now.
- I'm also not too fond of the new Deep Forest either, for the same reasons as above. But environmentally it too looks better than ever, it's just the changing of the layout that irks me. Polyphony, when we say we want the original tracks back, we mean the original tracks. We don't mind if you alter the track environs, but not the layout! Again, i'd feel 110% better if an offline original layout version was added.
- Getting annoyed at not being able to enter races because i've got the wrong tyres on - give me the option to change them then and there so that i don't have to backtrack four or five pages to the tuning page to change them!
- Some missions/licence tests/races etc would be better if the menu had the option to go to the next event, instead of having to go back to the main menu area to go to the next event. I know the option is actually there for some events, but not all.
- Bring back qualifying.
- Bring back the ability to see the options people use in the leaderboards menu (you used to be able to see if they used TCS, ABS, steering wheel/controller (?), manual or auto and so on. I was going through the licence tests trying to beat as many people on my friends lists times as i could, but not knowing if the really fast times were done with or without aids is a bit annoying.
- Still no New Zealand tracks. I'd love to see Highlands Motorsport Park in the game, but would be happy with anything from NZ.
- Plus a number of things you guys have already mentioned.

So yeah. My excitement level is lower than i ever thought it would be barely a week in. :|

[tcheph]

Oh, and you can’t just paint the hood/wing carbon fiber. You have to paint the entire car carbon fiber, then fill in the non carbon fiber bits with decals. Meaning no manufacturer/special colors in combination with a carbon fiber hood/wing. :mad:

part of me knows you're gonna hate this workaround but the other part of me is me, so.

matte k2 is a really good carbon substitute.

(imagine my florescent yellow celica gt4 with faux carbon hood and white oz really wheels here bc i can't post pics)

also for weather reports read what the little gt academy talking heads have to say. sometimes they say IT'S RAINING TODAY DON'T BRING SLICKS GUH GUH GUH.

still waiting to find the cuda race head. : )

[MR2 Fan]

- Getting annoyed at not being able to enter races because i've got the wrong tyres on - give me the option to change them then and there so that i don't have to backtrack four or five pages to the tuning page to change them!


I might be wrong, but I thought you could go into the settings at the race track and go to advanced settings to change your tires...ahem....tyres

[SkylineObsession]

You can, but i had most recently purchased dirt tyres for the Mitsi GTO, but couldn't enter any events/races until i went back to the garage and changed to road tyres. :(

[Dicknose]

I wouldn’t mind feature unlocks still being linked to it. I just don’t like how linear it is.

Finding it weird that I have to do very linear ordered stuff to open areas.

I miss the "oh I can start with licenses or missions or race series".
Even now Im a couple of days in and it feels void and that I can only do what they want, to open just enough to do their next requirement.

[Leon]

I haven't played GT since .... um whatever I last played on the PS2!

To be honest, I mostly enjoyed having back then, a plethora of mid powered used Japanese performance but not supercars. The best races I had were in an N15 Pulsar or something like that, where I gradually detuned the car and repeatedly did one series until I could only just barely win the race if I did everything right, and drove like a complete savage. That I found far more memorable than the super duper race cars with all the downforce.

I watched the intro movie to this game on YouTube, and it looks like it has a bit of fun with stuff like the old Mini & Beetle. But I'm a little dubious if it's going to scratch my itch of having a vast range of 1990's Japanese cars. I always enjoyed getting one of each Evolution of the Lancer Evo RS in white, and putting steel wheels on them.

[Rare White Ape]

I might be wrong, but I thought you could go into the settings at the race track and go to advanced settings to change your tires...ahem....tyres

What SkylineObsession said, but also, you can only change to tyres you own. If you haven't bought wets yet then you either have to stick it out or go back four menus and into the tuning shop.

That said (and related to what Leon also said), sports soft tyres are perfectly cromulent tyres to use in wet conditions provided you are in a low-powered car. I entered my gently modded AE86 with those tyres into the Japanese Sports 550 race at Fuji in rainy weather and I had to drive like the absolutest savage of savages to get even up to 5th place.

It was a blast. The same car was good for a third place at Autopolis whilst passing cars with an inch of rubber still on the inside kerbs, it's a legal pass! "Excuse me Sir, I am passing you now, and I will be using that half a foot of tarmac you didn't use!"

[pl8ster]

part of me knows you're gonna hate this workaround but the other part of me is me, so.

matte k2 is a really good carbon substitute.

(imagine my florescent yellow celica gt4 with faux carbon hood and white oz really wheels here bc i can't post pics)

also for weather reports read what the little gt academy talking heads have to say. sometimes they say IT'S RAINING TODAY DON'T BRING SLICKS GUH GUH GUH.

still waiting to find the cuda race head. : )

Oh, you mean like this.
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[Jason]

part of me knows you're gonna hate this workaround but the other part of me is me, so.

matte k2 is a really good carbon substitute.

(imagine my florescent yellow celica gt4 with faux carbon hood and white oz really wheels here bc i can't post pics)

also for weather reports read what the little gt academy talking heads have to say. sometimes they say IT'S RAINING TODAY DON'T BRING SLICKS GUH GUH GUH.

still waiting to find the cuda race head. : )

Thanks, I’ll check it out, but I know I’m going to be annoyed by the ‘texture’ being wrong haha

[tcheph]

also my brain/thumbs are learning that on flat almost-over-rotations, a quick flick into the spin and back into the turn can settle the car and prevent total loss. it's not the way i envision "countersteering" should work, but it helps.

[pl8ster]

I haven't played GT since .... um whatever I last played on the PS2!

To be honest, I mostly enjoyed having back then, a plethora of mid powered used Japanese performance but not supercars. The best races I had were in an N15 Pulsar or something like that, where I gradually detuned the car and repeatedly did one series until I could only just barely win the race if I did everything right, and drove like a complete savage. That I found far more memorable than the super duper race cars with all the downforce.

I watched the intro movie to this game on YouTube, and it looks like it has a bit of fun with stuff like the old Mini & Beetle. But I'm a little dubious if it's going to scratch my itch of having a vast range of 1990's Japanese cars. I always enjoyed getting one of each Evolution of the Lancer Evo RS in white, and putting steel wheels on them.

Oh man, they need steel wheels in this game. Because then, in addition to your idea: body color steelies on muscle cars. This really needs to happen.

[Kchrpm]

I played at a friend's house last night with a cheap Thrustmaster force feedback wheel. The racing itself was entertaining, though I really struggled with the GT3 & GTLM cars. But the slog to unlock things, oh my god.

3 minutes to go through the Cafe selection stuff, 2-3 5 minute races, repeat ad nauseum. Randomly tracks will open up, and you can't race or drive at that track until it's unlocked. I'm guessing after maybe 10-20 hours of racing you'll have everything unlocked to do what you could want to do (other than having a massive car collection), but it's just not how I want to do games. I don't want to do a rolling start from a fixed position and then just navigate around a bunch of rolling chicanes that are purely there for me to be able to pass all of them in less than 5 minutes.

[dodint]

Too bad Project Cars committed suicide because they did it right, at least with Project Cars 2.

[Jason]

Personally, I enjoy the 'story' in terms of unlocking various series, but not for unlocking tracks. Also the game needs way more options for custom races and custom series, as it is right now I'm not sure how much single player replay value I'll get out of it, even though I very much enjoy the feel of the game itself.

[tcheph]

I'm guessing after maybe 10-20 hours of racing you'll have everything unlocked

my stats say i have driven 2060 km in about 14 hours. i am on menu 38, just starting the gt3 championship, so your estimate is fair.

i think about the time i spent unlocking gt1/gt2 progress, and while i may have been able to get into those races quicker, i was nowhere near ready.

not sure if the guided path is all that bad, but i can definitely appreciate the *just let me play, man* take.

[Kchrpm]

IMO there should be a way to test out of the driver's licenses, rather than making me go through 1 turn, then 2, then 3, then 4, then braking before entering 1 turn, then 2, then 3, then 4...

[JoeW]

I would like to see the prize money doubled. As it is I don’t even want to buy IM rain tires for the stupid Nerdterdringnord race that rains the entire way. The tires cost more than many cars.

I am enjoying the overall physics in general. But I run in a few online series at GTPlanet. That being said I think racing in close quarters with certain cars will be more challenging. Especially with lower spec tires. It will be a learning curve to adapt from the old “pitch it in and hammer it” mentality of GTS to a more realistic model of GT7.

[Rare White Ape]

Some of the slides I’ve had in GT7 are harder to recover than iRacing’s infamous endless slides. I’ll catch it and begin to straighten the wheel ever so gently with a tiiiiiiiny amount of throttle, then the game goes “no, fuck you” and spins an extra 20° for no reason :lol:

I’ve lost so many licence tests for this reason. The one with turn 2 at Willow Springs in the Vette? Yeah. I think I got to my daily marathon total just re-trying that one!

[JoeW]

I have only done the B and A tests. I haven't tried the IB and IA yet. Still trying to unlock the menu books. Now that you've alerted me to it I just can't wait ;)

[MR2 Fan]

I would like to see the prize money doubled. As it is I don’t even want to buy IM rain tires for the stupid Nerdterdringnord race that rains the entire way. The tires cost more than many cars.


but then people would be less inclined to pay............/me checks notes.......$20 for 1 million credits

[JoeW]

Oh and how many of you have been pit maneuvered? I have been spun from behind at least 10 times.

Just unlocked the last track tonight. No time for last menu book tonight.

Current status:

Collector level 25
860 miles driven
9 cars bought
$1.3 mil spent on cars
$357k spent on tuning
8:46:26 time spent driving

Only done the minimum required so far…just basic B and A license. And just the one required mission.

[Jason]

I'm sitting on about $2mil, not buying much because I'm afraid I won't have money the next time a car pops up in the used car lot :(

[Tom Servo]

I'm constantly being pitted.

I did have a lot of fun on a couple of ~700PP events with American cars, somewhere in the high 20s on the menus. I took a Ford GT and just gave it way more power than it should have but not good enough tires or brakes. It absolutely demolished everyone on straights but was nearly undrivable outside of that. It was surprisingly entertaining just desperately trying to keep the rear wheels planets around Interlagos. The feedback from the triggers was invaluable on that.

Even on that Special Stage X high speed oval, it was dancing all over the place like it had to pee or something.

[Rare White Ape]

Oh and how many of you have been pit maneuvered? I have been spun from behind at least 10 times.

For me, just once, exiting turn 1 at Fuji on the last lap.

When I restarted, I made it my mission to hunt down and VERY FIRMLY punt that car into oblivion.

That's when I discovered that the AI cars seem to be stuck to the road with superglue.

[Jason]

Personally I've found the AI to be pretty well behaved, at least compared to how chaotic FM AI can be sometimes

Also, speaking of AI (and physics), the dirt races are 'interesting', but it is fun watching how often the AI completely eats it off jumps

[dodint]

How is the rubber-banding compared to GT:S? I distinctly remember in GT:S if you were running a 20 lap race you could hang back for the first 12 laps and then make a charge to the front, catching the AI napping. But if you pushed from the beginning you would be within 1 second of the finish, win or lose. It kind of ruined the offline racing for me.

[MR2 Fan]

There's a spec Mini race at Goodwood that some people were promoting to make quick money...5 laps...but this one dark red mini usually starts flying to the front by the 4th lap and often gets past me...doesn't make any sense for it to be that quick with the limit of PP in the race.

[Jason]

I don't have any GTS experience, but I saw there's settings for rubber banding in the custom race section. I assume that means there's some level of it on by default in normal races

[Rare White Ape]

GTS vs GT7 single player races seem quite similar to me. There’s a field of rolling chicanes that you have to pass, then one or two cars at the front which run away and require more effort to catch. The spaced out rolling start is what provides the challenge, because the AI is so slow; a staple of GT since the very first game. So, no real change between Sport and 7.

I’m not sure about rubber-banding. I’ve never experimented with the settings in a custom race. I haven’t noticed anything in my races that feels like it is on.

[Rare White Ape]

Oh, speaking of AI, I’ve seen people online confused that the Sony experimental AI Sophy is not in GT7.

I think they’re confused about a marketing exercise that featured a pre-recorded ghost that was generated by Sophy when it was trained to drive on one track in GT Sport.

It’s meant to be a showcase for Sony’s new AI algorithm that is being marketed to industry partners, not gamers who want good offline races.

[Dicknose]

Was doing a few missions late last night, started the Drag Race and thought, damn this is fking hard. Then realised it was using my car and I entered with some lame FF shitbox. Swap to GTR and smash it first go.

[Rare White Ape]

Obligatory make money fast tips:

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-easiest-money-20220308/?fbclid=IwAR38kwozq6FK1t3rHR6b7fLhY2tHz5w_Sjcn9pGM wiuxBv4902ze_G_GopU

[Jason]

Finally bought my first ‘expensive’ car

https://i.imgur.com/IyoufVv.jpg

(Also its a pain in the ass to get images off PS5, and then also to get images on to here)

[Rare White Ape]

I just upload to Twitter direct from the console and paste the link here. But also in GT Sport sharing within the game makes it viewable on the website profile page, which could also be linked here. I haven’t tried that with GT7 yet. It might work.

[Jason]

Well today I learned there’s a website profile page…

Edit: ok, doesn’t work for system level screenshots, whoops

[Jason]

Oh god, why did I look:


Cars Bought 4
Credits Spent on Cars Cr. 984,600
Credits Spent on Customization Cr. 162,010
Credits Spent on Tuning Cr. 1,530,350
Car Collection Progress 17%

[Tom Servo]

Credits Spent on Cars
Cr. 546,200
Credits Spent on Customization
Cr. 30,870
Credits Spent on Tuning
Cr. 436,980

[Fogelhund]

So is this game worth getting a new console and game? I haven't played much of anything for a couple of years now. Thanks Just a bit of Project Cars against my boys... who somehow weren't born when I joined with GT2, and now are 16 and 18.... Yikes.

[Dicknose]

I dont think its fundamentally better than the earlier games, just newer and shinier.
Nothing added that is a killer must have feature.

[tcheph]

I'm sitting on about $2mil, not buying much because I'm afraid I won't have money the next time a car pops up in the used car lot :(


F40 in legend cars is 1.3 mil today. protip, yes it CAN be detuned enough (295 hp / 2646 lbs) to meet the daily race restrictions.

[MR2 Fan]

funny, the original 1960's Minis are considered "German" in the game (not sure if previous games also had that)

[Rare White Ape]

So is this game worth getting a new console and game?

It’s on PS4 if you already own that system.

[Tom Servo]

For us controller folks, I'd say it's worth it. The feedback you get from the PS5 controller is brilliant. Otherwise, the graphics don't really blow me away over GT:Sport, and I think Forza Horizon 5 is a better looking game overall. I am having a load of fun with it though, and it's very much bringing back the old GT vibes for me.

[JoeW]

If you race in online leagues then it is very broken. So there's that....

[tcheph]

extremely very broken. it's fun for the casual when it works but I've had four instances wherein i have had to *reboot the console* to get sport mode to work and another race that just dumped to a black screen and everyone could chat but that was it.

solo mode is very good though and i like it a lot. when the physics don't break.

[MR2 Fan]

my game crashed after a solo race yesterday...luckily it crashed after my credits/points were added.....the GT logo was just spinning for several minutes without moving.

Note: this was after the 1.06 patch was installed.

[Tom Servo]

Speaking of, has anyone else run into issues after putting their console into rest mode. Maybe 4-5 times so far, I'll come back out of rest mode and the header and footer will be there, audio's playing, but the main part of the screen is black and there's a GT loading spinner that never ends in the lower right. I generally have to kill the app and restart at that point.

[MR2 Fan]

also noticed after this update I don't seem to be getting the clean race bonus (Edit: as often) anymore even after not hitting any other cars/walls...which is annoying

[Rare White Ape]

My game was crashing a lot before the update, luckily I never lost any progress.

After the update, I can’t comment because I’ve not played it a great deal since then.

But I DID have an issue yesterday when I was trying to gold a licence test in a rally car. I put in over 62 km of effort and couldn’t break past a bronze. Turns out the update put the wrong tyres on the rally cars in licence tests. All that fucking time slurped down the drain.

[Tom Servo]

also noticed after this update I don't seem to be getting the clean race bonus (Edit: as often) anymore even after not hitting any other cars/walls...which is annoying

Same. I just ran a race where I don't think I touched anything and no clean race bonus. Previously I would crash into like 15 things and still get the clean race bonus, so I assume they tried and failed to fix that.

[Tom Servo]

It'd be nice to win something other than a couple grand or a NOS kit for a car I don't own from the roulette thing.

[MR2 Fan]

yeah, lots of little issues are adding up.

Plus the used car lot barely updates at all for me...there's several cars that I know are in the game that I want to obtain but just have no option to unless they randomly show up there eventually.

[Rare White Ape]

The best used car lot of all time was GT5. People complained about the PlayStation 2 assets being used on PS3, but that meant there were so many of them, and they constantly rotated, and people figured out that good cars would come in on certain days, and it was awesome.

[JoeW]

GT7 is very much a broken product right now if you do anything online. The leagues I run in are going back to GTS until GT7 is at least up to what GTS had. We all assumed it would, at the very least, have the exact same features as GTS. But it has way fewer features. Half the time people get dropped during races, blue screens etc etc. Just so bad right now for online racers.

[dodint]

Maybe they will get GT8 right on the PS7.

[Dicknose]

For us controller folks, I'd say it's worth it. The feedback you get from the PS5 controller is brilliant.
If you have managed to get a PS5!!

My seat+wheel are currently 500km away. Next trip to Sydney is not in the Boxster, so I might be able to fit them in and bring them down here.
Getting a PS5 is hard, nearest store that might sell one is 200km, so I can't just "drop by and see"

[Jason]

I’ve enjoyed the game a lot, but like others have said, the game feels a bit broken/incomplete at the moment. I just beat the last menu book and I feel like all I have left are individual races/missions/licenses and those don’t really appeal to me as much. I want to see more series, specifically with better car restrictions groupings. So hopefully that happens someday. I might boot up Forza Motorsport 7 again since I haven’t really tried it on XSX yet, since I have the itch to do (single player) racing, specifically with custom setups.

[Tom Servo]

Argh, just spent a bunch of time trying to gold that mission where you're driving an FC RX-7 and have to hit 155.3mph (or 250km/h) by the end of the run. Turns out after 1.06, there's wind at the track and if you have a headwind, you've got no chance at it.

Yep, I think that was confirmation enough for me. I finally got one where I had a tailwind instead of a head or crosswind and got gold easily. Retrying will not change the wind direction, you have to exit back out to the screen with Start, Replay, Ranking Board, etc at the bottom, and the wind direction shown is relative to the track map in the upper right. If the arrow is pointing mostly to the right, you'll have a tailwind - I finally got a favorable wind and easily hit the target.

[Tom Servo]

Lol, I thought I'd completely forgotten how to drive. Later in that set of missions, there's one where you're racing an Audi Quattro Pikes Peak against some other cars on dirt. The thing felt like it was on ice, I just couldn't get it to brake, turn, do much of anything other than plow into a wall and fail the mission.

Apparently the latest patch broke basically every rally mission and license test by forcing comfort softs on the cars instead of dirt tires.

Guess I'll leave that for another time, then.

[tcheph]

good tip on the headwind/tailwind, I've been pulling my hair out over that one.

i wonder if the f-1500 at spa in the rain is also broken because I'm not *great* but i can't even see them after the first corner.

for the fd slipstream mission... also make sure asm is off. restarted 20 times before i realized i left it on from a rain test. then nailed it with an 8.2 mph head wind. derp.

[MR2 Fan]

update: it appears the used car lot is the same for everyone and refreshes around once per day (outside of the cars that get put in when you're doing cafe stuff which seems to be its own thing)

[Tom Servo]

Is there no way to share car tunes/setups in game?

[Rare White Ape]

No, but it is easy to share screenshots.

(The above us an actual quote form Yamauchi when quizzed on the feature)

[Tom Servo]

Yeesh. My neighbor is struggling with the game (her racing sim experience is limited) and I thought I'd share my R32 that just seems ridiculously overpowered. Guess I'll do a screenshot then.

[tcheph]

tom. i don't think she wants your screenshots.

[Tom Servo]

That's true, she also said she's probably going to ask me to do the license tests for her.

[balki]

Neighbor : come over, we'll grind
/Tom goes over and repeatedly wins high-payout races
Neighbor : that's not what I meant
/Tom confused as to why she wants him to wall-grind at the guardrail tracks

[Tom Servo]

This is the weirdest slash fanfic I've ever read.

[Yw-slayer]

Are you her stepbrother?

[Jason]

Anyone else having trouble with Clubman Plus at Tsukuba, or do I just suck?

[tcheph]

Anyone else having trouble with Clubman Plus at Tsukuba, or do I just suck?

after the update I've had weird difficulty at races i won handily before.

i expect it'll take a little back and forth tugging to get the ins and outs just right.

[Dicknose]

The gift prize seems like its designed to disappoint.
Mostly I get the least credits, actually never got a credit that wasn't the smallest.
Then I got a part for a car I dont have.
Now I get a 4 star and think - woohoo this will be good. Ok so I get an invite to buy a car!! No not the car, just an invite. To buy. No discount. Actually its 2 cars. Got 1.3M credits, one of the cars is like 4M and the other is 1.3M and would leave me with 10k left over. Oh and its a "time limited offer". Thanks bastards.

Seriously - just get the controller to zap me with an electric shock if you want to hurt me.

[Rare White Ape]

You can always top up your credits in the PlayStation Store. You know you want to ;)

Good thing these FOMO-driven purchase invites are rare and for cars that aren’t too useful. I’ve got an invite for a Zonda R sitting there. Thanks game, but I can’t afford it, and it’s not going to help me finish Menu Book #15 for American muscle cars.

I’m just here to get through the career mode, earn some proper racing cars for Sport Mode, and find whatever 1980s nonsense that I can turn into a weapon for winning races against modern supercars at the High Speed Ring.

[Tom Servo]

I did buckle and buy the one invite I had now a Carrera GT. It was probably a mistake to drop the 2.3m on that.

[Jason]

I bought two S2000 just in case it doesn't come back for a year, because it seems like the used car lot cycles very slowly

[Rare White Ape]

Good idea. I bought one and a tin of Honda Indy Yellow Pearl just because…

[JoeW]

I got within .6 sec of gold on the broken rally ib trial where it gives you Comfort tires instead of dirt tires. Guess I’ll have to wait til it’s fixed.

Had some frustrating moments in the ‘89 M3 rain one and the one with the severe elevation change.

Finally golded all ib except the silver in the rally one.

Will shoot for IA next time I’m on.

[tcheph]

Anyone else having trouble with Clubman Plus at Tsukuba, or do I just suck?

raced it three times with my go to utility celica gt4, won twice, lost once, never fully clean but close.

you want me to bring over my running config screen shots?

[Jason]

Nah, I think it’s just a ‘get gud’ situation on my part

[tcheph]

fwiw i pushed the extreme upper bound of that pp limit, and my loss was on hard tires... quickest lap was 1:04:2 or so.

you can do it!

[Jason]

My times have been around 1:05 or so, with the first place car or two extending their lead by 1-2 seconds a lap, a complete outlier from the rest of the pack

[tcheph]

the quickest oppo i saw was still in the low 1:04 range, but they never completely got away from me, and i usually caught up late in the 4th (last hairpin) or early 5th. easiest was an r33, hardest was a ford focus

[Dicknose]

oh started to have a few rain races while trying to earn Porsches. I like that the rain can vary in intensity, yeah that should be a given, but its more than just the older GT binary rain. Heck I think it was back with TOCA2 that decent weather was done well.

[Tom Servo]

Apparently there's a good easter egg at Bathurst.

https://i.redd.it/c543j88m8sn81.jpg

[MR2 Fan]

reminds me of GTA 5

[pl8ster]

Word on the street ("street" = "Reddit") is that the new update severely nerfs the Fisherman's 1-lap rally race payout. So goodbye to the only decent grind in the game, but let me officially welcome all of you to Microtransaction Hell, brought to you by Polyphony Digital. This is the state of videogames now. I mean, it's been trending that way for a while - and the writing was on the wall for the GT franchise from the GT7 release - it's just disappointing that there's absolutely no pretense anymore. I don't have time to grind a 3+ minute drone around SSRX for enough $45k payouts to buy a multi-million Legends car.

There are absolutely worse things going on in the world, but like most of you, I've been enjoying this franchise for 25 years so in the context of "videogames I enjoy playing," I feel a little Kerrigan'ed.

[Yeti]

Played it for the first time last night after work - got a PS5 finally. Cashed my vouchers from the anniversary edition, did the music rallies, let the download finish....and THEEEENNNN the servers went down. I love modern gaming.

Haven't played a GT game since 4 - progress in this game is going to be a mess for me :lol:

[Godson]

Looks like I am still smart for not buying it just yet. I'll let them iron out the bugs a touch more

[Rare White Ape]

Word on the street ("street" = "Reddit") is that the new update severely nerfs the Fisherman's 1-lap rally race payout. So goodbye to the only decent grind in the game, but let me officially welcome all of you to Microtransaction Hell, brought to you by Polyphony Digital.

I’ve just been reading that the new update brought nerfs to all of the best money making races. So they’ve slowed the credit earning potential of players.

Combine this with more expensive upgrades than previous games and a whole roster of ridiculously expensive classic cars.

[pl8ster]

So if the servers ever come back up, here are the revised race payouts.
3880

[MR2 Fan]

very annoying....my opinion of the game keeps getting worse

[pl8ster]

I think we're going on 12 hours of the servers being down. How big must the bug in the update have been? No doubt some kind of exploit that allowed us mouthbreathers to get far more credits than we deserved :lol:

[MR2 Fan]

Gran Turismo 7: The Real Maintenance Simulator

[Jason]

Word on the street ("street" = "Reddit") is that the new update severely nerfs the Fisherman's 1-lap rally race payout. So goodbye to the only decent grind in the game, but let me officially welcome all of you to Microtransaction Hell, brought to you by Polyphony Digital. This is the state of videogames now. I mean, it's been trending that way for a while - and the writing was on the wall for the GT franchise from the GT7 release - it's just disappointing that there's absolutely no pretense anymore. I don't have time to grind a 3+ minute drone around SSRX for enough $45k payouts to buy a multi-million Legends car.

There are absolutely worse things going on in the world, but like most of you, I've been enjoying this franchise for 25 years so in the context of "videogames I enjoy playing," I feel a little Kerrigan'ed.

I really don’t mind grinding to earn money, but they have definitely gone a bit too far, specifically with not being able to sell cars. Most of the cars in my garage I have zero interest in, it’d be great to sell them for cars I actually want to drive.

“Thankfully” I’m busy with work and moving, so I have no problem putting the game down for a while and coming back to it, after some balance updates (hopefully)

Also, I get the impression that the intent of this game is to be multi year with some soft live service type of support, but they haven’t really been clear about the intention, so the whole thing comes off a little shady with the MTX push.

[Rare White Ape]

Typical tactic: send out review code and harvest high scoring reviews, then change a few key parameters post-launch.

Some games do it immediately. Seems like GT7 is taking longer. Plus the Hagerty dealership is yet to show all of its wares so we still don’t know what we are in for.

[MR2 Fan]

Well that's when people look to places like Metacritic which has a User Score of 3.0 currently:

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-5/gran-turismo-7

[Tom Servo]

I'm mostly in the same boat as Jason, but I think that might be because I still haven't finished the menu bits yet and so I'm still getting prize cars. I have a feeling that'll change when that stops.

However, I'm also pretty disgusted by it. GT:S let you buy cars with real money, and I think they went as high as $5. Assuming they'll have some 20m credits cars in the game, that'd cost $200 to buy enough credits for that. I know inflation's up and all, but that's insane.

The worst I'd heard up to this point was one of the mobile NFS games, it would cost about $80 to get the most expensive car via microtransactions. This is more than double a free-to-play mobile game from fucking EA.

[Godson]

Having been on a "sub" service for a game, Destiny 2, I know how frustrating a game can be when the tweaks aren't for the better.

However, the game always gets better.

[Tom Servo]

This is apparently the official statement from Kazunori Yamauchi on the state of the game. I only have a screengrab of it off Reddit, so I can't cut and paste, so please forgive any typos.



I wanted to explain what happened in this update.

Immediately before the release of the 1.07 update, we discovered an issue where the game would not start properly in some cases on product versions for the PS4 and PS5.

This was a rare issue that was not seen during tests on the development hardware or the QA sessions prior to the release, but in order to prioritize the safety of the save data of the users, we decided to interrupt the release of the 1.07 update, and to make a 1.08 correctional update.

This is the reason for the delay.

My sincere apologies for the late report to everyone.

Also in this update, some event rewards have been adjusted. I wanted to also explain the reasons for it and our plans going forward.

In GT7 I would like to have users enjoy lots of cars and races even without microtransactions.

At the same time the pricing of the cars is an important element that conveys their value and rarity, so I do think it's important for it to be linked with the rear world prices.

I want to make GT7 a game in which you can enjoy a variety of cars lots of different ways, and if possible would like to avoid a situation where a player must mechanically keep replaying certain events over and over again.

We will in time let you know the update plans for additional content, additional race events and additional features that will constructively resolve this.

It pains me that I can't explain the details regarding this at this moment, but we plan on continuing to revise GT7 so that as many players as possible can enjoy the game.

We would really appreciate it if everyone could watch over the growth of Gran Turismo 7 from a somewhat longer term point of view.

Kanunori Yamauchi


I don't know that I'm buying that. Everything they've done so far has made it so you have to do more of the "mechanically keep replaying" thing. And part of the reason people buy videogames is so they don't have the same limitations as real life. I can barely afford one car, I don't want a game where I have to finance my in game crossover SUV for five years.

As for the delay, it seems reasonable but also seems like they could have been transparent about it as soon as they knew there was a problem with 1.07. Also, why the hell can't these game companies, that save games in the cloud anyway, just keep a few backups on their servers too? Disk space is cheap.

[Rare White Ape]

…or just revert to single player being available to play without an internet connection.

And this thing about additional features being promised to nullify the apparent need for microtransactions is poo. The game has a grindy economy right now. The game has obscenely expensive cars right now.

[Tom Servo]

https://i.redd.it/vacc4yy7q6o81.jpg

[Jason]

Give us better custom race options + custom series, with a decent payout formula and I’ll basically never stop playing. But as it is right now, my choices after the cafe menu are to replay a couple preset races, largely with cars I don’t care about. Forza does this part so much better imo

[XHawkeye]

One the bright side, I'm no longer disappointed one can't find a PS5 in stock Wally World.