McLaren P1 driven by Chris Harris

[LHutton]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=29402


...F-f-f-fast
Just one squirt from 30mph to 150mph confirms that the P1 creates its own new performance category, one that we all suspect the La Ferrari will soon occupy, but which sadly for Porsche the 918 doesn't have the requisite firepower to qualify....

Other videos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1t1L5ShVR8w


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DresnFqP1tM

[Freude am Fahren]

Is the LaFerrari actually in the hands of owners yet? I keep seeing pics and videos of it on the internet, but are they just development/press cars?

Actually this too? The reviewers have had their hands on this, but have owners?

Can't wait to see the video of Chris driving this. He'll show Clarkson how to properly go sideways in it, I'm sure. (Yeah, I know proper and sideways, kind of an oxymoron, but Harris makes it work, better than the Top gear boys.)

[Godson]

Nobody on the Top gear group can actually drive.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's an awesome looking car. Sounds wonderful too. Makes you think twice about tailgating one..., but you probably couldn't even if you try! :D

Still, somehow I don't find it as inspiring as a Ferrari... the only McLaren supercar that I like is the F1. That'd be the car that I'd buy if I have the money. As for these newer McLaren cars..., yeah they're nice..., but for the same money, I'd probably give my money to Ferrari first.

[LHutton]

Is the LaFerrari actually in the hands of owners yet? I keep seeing pics and videos of it on the internet, but are they just development/press cars?

Actually this too? The reviewers have had their hands on this, but have owners?

Can't wait to see the video of Chris driving this. He'll show Clarkson how to properly go sideways in it, I'm sure. (Yeah, I know proper and sideways, kind of an oxymoron, but Harris makes it work, better than the Top gear boys.)
AFAIK LaFerrari hasn't been released to press yet. McLaren P1 has and some have been delivered.

http://wot.motortrend.com/first-mclaren-p1-delivered-to-customer-0-62-mph-in-2-8-seconds-418305.html

[Freude am Fahren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb8tGX-HPQE

[GreatScawt]

Just. Wow.

[Yw-slayer]

So the takeaway I got from that video was that it's like a BRZ, but much faster, much more expensive, and with a much better interior. AWESOME VALUE

[M4FFU]

Yeah. Always feel a little cold towards McLaren, but yeah - take that, world.

[Godson]

The P1 is growing on me.



I still would take the LaFerrari though. The P1's front end looks too damned funny to me. The rest of it looks right in black though.

[tigeraid]

Apparently it's a new thing.

I'll forgive him his repetitiveness, since he usually doesn't do that, and because P1.

What an epic car. Now give me a $50,000 version with 400 hp and 4 seats please.

[Kchrpm]

M3?

[Godson]

M3 is 60+

[Kchrpm]

Oh yeah, I just posted about that, duh.

Chevy SS? That's the closest I can find.

[CudaMan]

I forget - is it a whole new thing?

[Godson]

I think so. I think some of the ideas are borrowed and bettered from the MP4-12c, but everything is new.

[Kchrpm]

Will the LaFerrari be a whole new whole new thing?

[CudaMan]

Heh.

That joke.
----------
Tyler's head.

:p

[Godson]

After watching the /drive on the 918. I like the sound of the 918, the exhaust location, and the center stack better. But the P1 is more...better.

[Yw-slayer]

Someone do a new thing meme. Kthxbai

40k criteria? 86 with 10+k of mods should fit the bill.

[Kchrpm]

Oh yeah, he said 4-seats, not 4 doors.

[Freude am Fahren]

The 86 does have 4 "seats," yeah :)

[tigeraid]

Fuckin' 86.

I didn't just mean "fast car for $40k." I meant one that has this clever hybrid setup.

[Kchrpm]

OOOOOH.

Turbo+hybrid for torque fill, or just a V8 for massive torque everywhere ;)

Seriously, though, I don't know if there are any turbo+hybrid cars in America. I'll check.

[Freude am Fahren]

I like how McLaren doesn't try to pretend that the hybrid system is anything but another way to get power. I don't doubt Ferrari will do the same, and Porsche's actually is a hybrid-hybrid (heh,) in that it is both a power-augmentation and eco, so not throwing stones at others, just pointing it out. I'm actually kind surprised they didn't augment the turbo itself with the ERS, like the new F1 powerplants. (Maybe not possible with a TT setup?)

I've heard somewhere that the McLaren's Battery pack is inside the monocoque, making them near impossible to get at, implying a new, and/or compromised monocoque if you need to replace them (which surely you would at some point). That can't be true, right?

[Blerpa]

It is unfathomable how someone can prefer a tacky and vulgar car like LaFerrari (starting with the disturbingly idiotic name) to this stealth god of speed.
But hey, there goes the foreigner's fascination with Ferrari.
The 918 is an incredible... experiment. The P1 is an awesome supercar. Wonder how it would stack vs. that fugly pig that is the Veyron.

[LHutton]

OOOOOH.

Turbo+hybrid for torque fill, or just a V8 for massive torque everywhere ;)

Seriously, though, I don't know if there are any turbo+hybrid cars in America. I'll check.
It's nice to see someone trying something different for a change anyway. The whole 'stick a 6 litre V12 in it' approach to supercars has been done to death and then some. They've shown Ferrari what a modern day F40 should be like. I'm sure the LaFerrari will be a great car in the same league nonetheless.

[Freude am Fahren]

I'm betting it would kick the Veyron's ass in every way except two: Comfort and top speed (and to that end, probably acceleration above 180mph or so).

Speaking of top speed, he said it's "limited to 219" didn't he? It is artificially limited? I wonder why they would do that. Or did he mean aero/gearing?

[Kchrpm]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was tire related, but honestly the electric motor may not be able to add much at that engine speed, so you "only" have ~700 hp so 219 mph seems about right.

[Freude am Fahren]

True. 219 seems reasonable for its vmax, just the use of the word "limited" makes it sound like it's artificially limited.

[LHutton]

Difficult to say. The Huayra is limited to 235mph with roughly the same power for tyre reasons and the P1 does feature DRS and PTP.

Tyres are just a problem at those speeds as are safety considerations. Many supercar manufacturers are just avoiding top speed wars because they've lost their cool factor and aren't relevant to a good supercar as long as you can still comfortably break 200mph.

[MR2 Fan]

why? just because 99.9999% of the time you can't safely get to the top speed anyway...

Edit: while on this subject, the Hennessey Venom GT went 270mph as a new record....they did it on the Kennedy Space Center runway.

[Freude am Fahren]

I saw that. While it isn't a record because they only did one direction, that one direction was still faster than the Veyron's fastest leg (with I believe similar wind conditions). And it looked like it had quite a bit left in it.

[neanderthal]

OOOOOH.

Turbo+hybrid for torque fill, or just a V8 for massive torque everywhere ;)

Seriously, though, I don't know if there are any turbo+hybrid cars in America. I'll check.

VW Jetta Hybrid.

1.4 liter turbo. (http://web.vw.com/hybrid/jetta/)

[LHutton]

why? just because 99.9999% of the time you can't safely get to the top speed anyway...

Edit: while on this subject, the Hennessey Venom GT went 270mph as a new record....they did it on the Kennedy Space Center runway.
And a modified Ford GT broke 280mph in a mile from rest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04MqvpEZ8_E


Detailed talk through.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VXRA_34eZrk

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Jbb0H11UU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj29plvUkqA

[LHutton]

So the Vice President of Google Engineering just set a 1:33.0 lap on Laguna Seca in traffic whilst also slowing down for a noise restriction. This is 0.6s faster than Randy Pobst, a GT racing champion / Motor Trend tester / Laguna Seca expert, managed in a Viper ACR or TA on a clear track with no noise restrictions. They're going go back with a pro driver, his race driving instructor, on a day with no noise restrictions or lap traffic to set a 1:29.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f00S5I8dGSg

[Crazed_Insanity]

Impressive!

But the car seems a bit unstable... or nervous while under braking? Or maybe because he's not a pro driver...

[Freude am Fahren]

Ouch
http://jalopnik.com/a-mclaren-p1-just-crashed-heavily-in-texas-1663736699

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/uwsgb7trryvu1cmhrcdc.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/ltvj5jf9txhempbexneo.jpg

[LHutton]

Impressive!

But the car seems a bit unstable... or nervous while under braking? Or maybe because he's not a pro driver...
I'll let the driver himself answer that one.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/22153-few-p1s-laguna-seca-mazda-raceway-3.html#post474441

Doesn't seem to bounce around as much on this video. Different camera mount????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ebatx6HzNj0

[LHutton]

Ouch
http://jalopnik.com/a-mclaren-p1-just-crashed-heavily-in-texas-1663736699
The 27 y/o driver and 24 y/o passenger escaped with only minor injuries. Very lucky considering the state of the guard rail. I'm guessing they weren't doing 50mph.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/lukos_/guardrail_zps3d4ba8e5.png (http://s74.photobucket.com/user/lukos_/media/guardrail_zps3d4ba8e5.png.html)

[Godson]

That car is toast.

[Freude am Fahren]

The monocoque actually looked intact, according to the article.

Pick up points may be messed up though, which would be bad I think.

[LHutton]

That car is toast.
Maybe not:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/the-mclaren-p1-crashed-in-dallas-had-been-bought-just-one-day-before-89372.html


The burden of hypercar ownership might be more difficult to bear than expected, as one US McLaren P1 recently found out after seriously crashing his hybrid machine in Dallas, Texas.

As you can see in the adjacent images, which come from Instagram user @davesplace, the McLaren has taken some serious damage in the accident. Some rushed to claim the car was totaled in the crash.

Alas, once you look at the picture showing the car on the platform that arrived to take it away, it is difficult to believe otherwise - you can see the entire vehicle wearing serious damage signs, while many of the body panels are off, exposing the carbon fiber structure underneath. It appears that the passenger’s side door has been removed, as it usually happens when emergency rescuers have to remove a trapped occupant.

Still, last time we checked, the P1 didn’t come with rear-wheel steering like the Porsche 911, but the crash left the rear wheels in such bad shape that one could be easily led to believe this.

Fortunately, the passenger cell appears to be intact - as expected, McLaren’s carbon fiber tub has done its job thoroughly - this is a bit of a stretch, but, judging by the messed up roof, for instance, the P1 could’ve rolled during the accident.

[Godson]

Don't care. It is all about the attachment point too. If therebis any sign of stress factures or weakening, it'll likely be a write of.

[LHutton]

What a P1 is like on a track day at the Nurburgring.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa08mXthOaQ

[Crazed_Insanity]

Don't mean to go off topic, but I think the Porsche 918 has even sexier flames coming out of its tail... or roof...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSqzp3kdAm4

[LHutton]

I'd have one of each if I was in the position to.

Here's what head-to-head reviews have said:

http://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/p1/14687/mclaren-p1-v-porsche-918-spyder-which-is-fastest-evo-track-battle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyyO7vrdiI

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/lukos_/Times_zps8cc7dee7.png (http://s74.photobucket.com/user/lukos_/media/Times_zps8cc7dee7.png.html)

http://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.6speedonline.com-vbulletin/389x301/80-coastalcircuitmap_048a3bde4e76a633375a5045d3553ac8 653832ff.png
http://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.6speedonline.com-vbulletin/440x277/80-anglesey07cs_map_8d8305280296e422ab034be888fdb954f 2458c5c.png

918 Tyre (Michelin pilot Sport Cup 2 semi-slick right, old MPSC+ left) - 1:12.4
http://trackparts.ch/bilder/produkte/gross/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-Cup-2_b2.jpg

P1 Tyre - 1:12.6 (Pirelli PZero Corsa System non-semi-slick right, old MPSC left)
http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Misc/DSC03548.jpg

P1 Option Tyre (Pirelli Trofeo R semi-slick left) - 1:11.2
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608036132488348942&pid=15.1&P=0

http://i.imgur.com/7SgVVVt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HX3dUGi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/byZCE53.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/euTiGgc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mJVGwOA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yvMQASU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7lniPM2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tx6JmbQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nRkYn7m.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

WTF? The 918 can do 94mpg?

Anyway, what's up with Ferrari? LaFerrari's probably the ugliest of the bunch anyways...

If I were in the position to get just one, 918 would be my choice. Not sure if P1 can be a decent daily driver... ;)

[LHutton]

WTF? The 918 can do 94mpg?

Anyway, what's up with Ferrari? LaFerrari's probably the ugliest of the bunch anyways...

If I were in the position to get just one, 918 would be my choice. Not sure if P1 can be a decent daily driver... ;)
Theoretically it can do 94mpg but in practice it's never likely. Neat trick though.

Ferrari have a long history of dubiousness when it comes to magazine tests. Sending tweaked cars, sending a team to tweak suspension geometry or just being stubborn and refusing to allow any test that may not end with their car winning. They even threaten customers with being cancelled off the list for future ltd edition Ferraris if they lend their car for a magazine test.

It's an interesting one this. The 918 has AWD, which has practicality advantages, and it has higher mpg going for it, but the ride is harsher according to owners of both and the cup tyres don't do well in the wet. That said, it's the one I think I'd be slightly less likely to kill myself in, although James Dean and Paul Walker might disagree.

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bfLqa4vlmFI

NOTE: Race was actually filmed for dramatic effect, times were measured back-to-back separately.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/lukos_/autocarresults_zps4de804ff.png

[Godson]

I'll take the two wheeled beauty because I could actually enjoy owning that (along with the ability to actually own and maintain it on my salary).

[Freude am Fahren]

Can't watch the video at work, but the times are enough to know that's awesome. It's amazing though what happens between 150-200.

[MR2 Fan]

does anyone have the McLaren F1 times from 150-200....I recall something that between 130 and 170 it was faster than a real F1 car or something (in 1993)

[Freude am Fahren]

12.8 to 150 and 28 0-200. So somewhere around 15 sec. Better than the 918, but slower than the P1.

Also looking at that table; the Ducati is still winning just after the standing mile and 192+ is where the P1 finally passes it... at about +13 mph :lol:

What's the Ducati's top speed anyway?

[Godson]

It is only geared to 192.

Change the rear sprocket on it and this is no longer a competition, yet merely a show of why bikes are better in many ways. (Just kidding...or am I?)



Kinda why I went to the world of bikes.

[LHutton]

does anyone have the McLaren F1 times from 150-200....I recall something that between 130 and 170 it was faster than a real F1 car or something (in 1993)
0-180mph was 20.4s and 0-200mph was 28.0s. You are probably thinking of 180-200mph.


Can't watch the video at work, but the times are enough to know that's awesome. It's amazing though what happens between 150-200.
918's front e-motor reaches maximum speed at 165mph and decouples.


12.8 to 150 and 28 0-200. So somewhere around 15 sec. Better than the 918, but slower than the P1.

Also looking at that table; the Ducati is still winning just after the standing mile and 192+ is where the P1 finally passes it... at about +13 mph :lol:

What's the Ducati's top speed anyway?
Rev-limiter in top at 192mph. It's faster on straights for sure but in a Top Gear test the P1 pulled 2.15g on high speed corner, and that's why I like 4 wheels (that and asshats on 4 wheels often don't see people on two wheels making it dangerous).

You seen the new 2015 1299 Panigale?! Looks so awesome.

http://ducati.com/bikes/superbike/1299_panigale/index.do

[LHutton]

It is only geared to 192.

Change the rear sprocket on it and this is no longer a competition, yet merely a show of why bikes are better in many ways. (Just kidding...or am I?)



Kinda why I went to the world of bikes.
Without being malicious, any stock production bikes gone below 7 minutes on the Nordschleife yet?:rawk:

[Godson]

How many bikes have downforce?


Now compare that to how many cars have literally hundreds to thousands of pounds of downforce.

[LHutton]

How many bikes have downforce?


Now compare that to how many cars have literally hundreds to thousands of pounds of downforce.
That's my point but even without downforce, or with negligible downforce, 4 wheels makes it faster even for vehicles far slower in a straight line. Takes an awful lot of bike and rider to run sub-8 minutes.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/05/kawasaki-zx-10r-lapping-nurburgring-in-7m-50s-is-scary-awesome/

PS: 1,323lbs in case of P1 at 156mph.;)

[LHutton]

Modified bike on shortened 19.2km lap (normal is 20.6km). Not sure about tyres, slicks?

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/brit-smashes-nurburgring-record/20769.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0aYVRvHRC4

[LHutton]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/lukos_/autocarresults_zps4de804ff.png
Still staggered by how fast the P1 is even 150-200mph. When Autocar timed the Veyron Super Sport it took 12.0s 150-200mph, which ain't a whole lot off what the P1's managing, even as a track orientated car.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/autocar-road-test-bugatti-veyron-super-sport.36758/#post-505031



Veyron Super Sport
0 - 60 mph: 2.6s
0 - 100 mph: 5s
0 - 150 mph: 10.2s
0 - 180 mph: 16.2s
0 - 200 mph: 22.2s
0 - 210 mph: 26s
0 - 220 mph: 31.1s

[Godson]

Modified bike on shortened 19.2km lap (normal is 20.6km). Not sure about tyres, slicks?

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/brit-smashes-nurburgring-record/20769.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0aYVRvHRC4

This is still not an apples to apples comparison. This is what I am trying to get through to you. Down force is a HUGE thing. Secondly, that bike is not stock, and it is also several years old.

You are comparing a brand new hyper car to a bike that was outdated shortly after it came out.

Depending on the trim of that bike (it doesn't have headlights) it is likely 30hp down to the current top notch bikes out there, and possibly close in weight.

This tires on the bike are street legal, but still not a fair comparison due to various factors. Close, but not realisticly equal.

Also, most bikers could give a fuck about the ring due to the camber layouts of the track are not conducive to bike buy help cars.

I stated merely that the bikes are just as fast as their 4 wheeled counter parts, for a fraction of the cost, and IME even the Ferraris and Lamborghinis I have driven don't stack up to the joy of two wheels.

[LHutton]

This is still not an apples to apples comparison. This is what I am trying to get through to you. Down force is a HUGE thing. Secondly, that bike is not stock, and it is also several years old.

You are comparing a brand new hyper car to a bike that was outdated shortly after it came out.

Depending on the trim of that bike (it doesn't have headlights) it is likely 30hp down to the current top notch bikes out there, and possibly close in weight.

This tires on the bike are street legal, but still not a fair comparison due to various factors. Close, but not realisticly equal.

Also, most bikers could give a fuck about the ring due to the camber layouts of the track are not conducive to bike buy help cars.

I stated merely that the bikes are just as fast as their 4 wheeled counter parts, for a fraction of the cost, and IME even the Ferraris and Lamborghinis I have driven don't stack up to the joy of two wheels.
The more up-to-date production bikes were actually slower wrt 'ring times and I also noted that many Isle of Man bikes are older modified bikes rather than newer ones. We are looking at a lap that's 1,400m shorter than the lap cars do in the case of the R1, so you can add about 20s to that times. The time below you can take about 5s off because they did the full lap including the last 232m.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Ra cing_2


20,832 m 7:50 Kawasaki ZX-10R (2011) Tim Rothig September 2011 Bridgestone Battlax R10 tires.[156]

I think it's more than just downforce, having a wider vehicle with 4 larger points of contact separated by 2m laterally and not having to lean the machine over probably helps a lot. I think they lose out on braking too, even without downforce. MotoGP bikes pull 1.1-1.2g under braking according to this, whereas road legal cars pull >1.3g stopping from 60mph (hence downforce negligible). A variety of effects increase the advantage at higher speeds - natural drag, deliberate aero braking and downforce for extra grip.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/17486184

I'd be interested to see a skid pad test though.

[Kchrpm]

Bikes and cars are very different objects that do similar things. They do not need to be incessantly bench raced, but they should be raced in awesomely produced videos as much as possible.

[LHutton]

Bikes and cars are very different objects that do similar things. They do not need to be incessantly bench raced, but they should be raced in awesomely produced videos as much as possible.
Agreed.*:up:

*Even though I did just bench race them.:lol:

[Godson]

Keep at it zo7

[LHutton]

So there's a head-to-head between the P1 and 918 in next month Motor Trend.

Both cars beat the current 1:30.97 lap record.

The 918 set the fastest lap by 0.8s in HL mode but was 1s slower on the 2nd lap and 1.5s slower on the 3rd lap and worse thereafter due to battery depletion caused by HL mode.

P1 ran 15 laps back-to-back within 0.3s of its fastest lap.

[Freude am Fahren]

Laguna Seca, Right?

[LHutton]

Laguna Seca, Right?
Yup. To make matters worse it was a factory prepped 918 vs a customer P1 too.

From the owner of the P1 in test (also a LaFerrari owner) *Spoilers at Links*:

918 Consistency
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-37.html#post563250

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-37.html#post563306

P1 Consistency
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-38.html#post563402

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-39.html#post563682

Other owners comments on P1 battery drain:
http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-37.html#post563178

So the 918 is faster for one lap on some tracks, then it is forever slower.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-40.html#post563914


It was a factory 918 and my personal P1. The "customer car v customer car" test has yet to be done. Anyone got a 918?

Oh the fail of it.

[LHutton]

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-56.html#post582402

918 - MPSC2 N0 (Porsche) or N1 (Porsche)? Jury is out.
P1 - Trofeo R

Lap times back calculated by me listening to leaks.
918 - 1:29.9
P1 - 1:30.7

Best sectors added
918 - 1:29.9
P1 - 1:29.7


http://i.imgur.com/dLAcuXg.jpg

This graph shows three sequential laps of the 918 and the P1, both done after 1 warmup lap. I'll let you guess what the lap order is for the 918. The problem is the 918's power inconsistency: the acceleration varies so widely from lap to lap that the driver cannot use the same braking markers. You can see the overslowing into T5 and T7 which results from using braking markers established in lap 1 on the two subsequent laps. The driver dealt with this inconsistency afterward by not running 2 hot laps in a row - which is not an option in any real-world track event I've been to.

The P1 has no such issue, as the telemetry and my own driving experience confirms.

T4-T5 Peak Speed (Best)
P1 - 141.5mph (+6.3mph)
918 - 135.2mph

T5-T6 Peak Speed (Best)
P1 - 128.5mph (+5.9mph)
918 - 122.6mph

T6-T7/8 Peak Speed (Best)
P1 - 136.4mph (+5.0mph)
918 - 131.4mph

T5 Apex Speed (Worst)
P1 - 58mph (-6.2mph)
918 - 64.2mph

T5 Apex Speed (Best)
P1 - 62.9mph (-3.3mph)
918 - 66.2mph

T6 Apex Speed (Worst)
P1 - 71.8mph (-4.1mph)
918 - 75.9mph

T6 Apex Speed (Best)
P1 - 78.0mph (+1.1mph)
918 - 76.9mph

Aero advantage makes P1 faster on faster corners.

T7-8 Apex Speed (Worst)
P1 - 41.6mph (-1.2mph)
918 - 42.8mph

T7-8 Apex Speed (Best)
P1 - 39.0mph (-2.8mph)
918 - 41.8mph

Cornering Variance

T5 Apex Speed (Variance)
P1 - 4.9mph
918 - 2.0mph

T6 Apex Speed (Variance)
P1 - 6.2mph
918 - 1.0mph

T7-8 Apex Speed (Variance)
P1 - 2.6mph
918 - 1.0mph

Variance shows driver is struggling to get to grips with P1 but is fairly much on top of 918.

Peak Speed Variance.

T4-5 Peak Speed (Variance)
P1 - 1.0mph
918 - 3.9mph

T5-6 Peak Speed (Variance)
P1 - 1.0mph
918 - 3.5mph

T6-7/8 Peak Speed (Variance)
P1 - 1.0mph
918 - 4.0mph

Variance shows battery is struggling in 918 with HL mode. P1 with higher cornering variance still manages less variance in peak straight speed. This also shows that cornering speed has limited affect on peak straight speed.

http://www.keigwin.com/images/img_track_mazda_raceway_laguna_seca.png

[LHutton]

P1/918
ACCELERATION TO MPH*
0-30 1.2 1.2 sec
0-40 1.7 1.6
0-50 2.1 2.0
0-60 2.6 2.4
0-70 3.0 3.0
0-80 3.5 3.6
0-90 4.1 4.3
0-100 4.7 5.1
PASSING, 45-65 MPH 0.9 0.9
QUARTER MILE 9.8 sec @ 148.9 mph 10.0 sec @ 145.2 mph


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/specs.html#ixzz3Tt3CgYwi
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/p1vs918lagunaseca_zps3fbu3fly.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/p1vs918lagunaseca_zps3fbu3fly.png.html)

[Freude am Fahren]

Interesting bit after the corkscrew through that downhill left-hander. Looks kinda like the 918 went in too hot and lost some time trying to get it back in line.

[novicius]

This graph shows three sequential laps of the 918 and the P1, both done after 1 warmup lap. I'll let you guess what the lap order is for the 918. The problem is the 918's power inconsistency: the acceleration varies so widely from lap to lap that the driver cannot use the same braking markers. You can see the overslowing into T5 and T7 which results from using braking markers established in lap 1 on the two subsequent laps. The driver dealt with this inconsistency afterward by not running 2 hot laps in a row - which is not an option in any real-world track event I've been to.
Yeah but this isn't going to be a problem in Forza 6. :assclown:

[LHutton]

Interesting bit after the corkscrew through that downhill left-hander. Looks kinda like the 918 went in too hot and lost some time trying to get it back in line.
Lot's of interesting points. I would actually say the P1 braked too early, drove through the corner to make up for it, but came out off line, hence why the 918 catches up on the straight, where it's normally slower.

The data traces in the post above that show the P1 went through T6 4mph faster on other laps. P1 also messed up in T2 and T3. Braking way too early into T8 and T9. However my favourite points from the owner of the P1 in that test:

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-16.html#post566826


2. Randy was less consistent in the P1 than in the 918. Both trail braking into and ideal acceleration off of slower corners, with the car in Race mode & Track/Track, was a challenge with his limited amount of time in the car. However, CircuitTools lets me string together the best sectors from several laps to show what would happen if the driver made no errors - this is called the 'ideal' lap, and shows what the car can do rather than what the driver achieved. And the best P1 lap is...

...wait for it...

0.8 secs faster than the fastest individual lap.

http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-p1-f1/21713-p1-vs-918-a-17.html#post567018


From the telemetry I have, his ideal 918 lap was 0.06 (6 hundredths) off of the lap time he posted.

Basically the 918 was just really easy to drive relative to the P1:


Pobst comes back in, still beaming. "Throttle control is critical, challenging, and enjoyable with the traction and stability off," he says. "I love a car with more power than tire grip.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/track_performance.html#ixzz3TvOQ1fRY

The good news is that there's going to be a P1 ABS update following MT's feedback and a revenge match in July:twisted::


What happened? Warmer afternoon air certainly didn't inhibit the P1's engine, as it out-accelerated the 918 everywhere. Pobst has two theories. One: "The P1 ABS was old-school obvious in its application and felt as though it lengthened brake zones considerably. I kept overrunning the turn-in points in it. This was the primary area where it can be improved, a quicker cycling, smarter, track-ready ABS control system like in real race cars."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/track_performance.html#ixzz3TvOrpcFT

When you look at how much the P1 is losing under brakes, you just know there's room for improvement there.

[LHutton]

Yeah but this isn't going to be a problem in Forza 6. :assclown:
Or NFS.:lol:

[LHutton]

Now I'm going to be a cynical git. Ignoring the main straight where Pobst said the earlier 918 hiccuped and rounding to nearest mph:

918 2014 test / 2015 test (Delta)
T2-3 99mph vs 102mph (+3mph)
T3-4 105mph vs 108mph (+3mph)
T4-5 134mph vs 139mph (+5mph)
T5-6 122mph vs 126mph (+4mph)
T6-7 131mph vs 134mph (+3mph)
T8-9 91mph vs 99mph (+8mph)
T9-10 107mph vs 109mph (+2mph)
T10-11 111mph vs 113mph (+2mph)

Previous 918 lap at 1:01:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg1fY1fVYNk

[LHutton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8AvxUVXfrw

[LHutton]

LaFerrari -
163ps (120kW),
2.3kWh,
146kg or 60kg? 146kg may include e-motor?
0.038kWh/kg
52.17kW/kWh
106.5A/kWh
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/LaFerrari%20battery_zpsu8fbdkjh.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/LaFerrari%20battery_zpsu8fbdkjh.png.html)
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/LaFerrari%20battery2_zpsvclhwlba.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/LaFerrari%20battery2_zpsvclhwlba.png.html)

918 -
312+ps (230kW),
385V,
606A,
6.8kWh
138kg
0.049kWh/kg
33.8kW/kWh
89.11A/kWh
http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/12/07/road-test-2014-porsche-918-spyder/
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/918bat_zpspzsajym7.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/918bat_zpspzsajym7.png.html)

P1 -
179ps (131kW),
535V,
245A, (131,000W/535V)
4.7kWh
96kg
0.049kWh/kg (joint lowest weight relative to capacity)
27.9kW/kWh (lowest power usage relative to capacity)
52.1A/kWh (lowest charge usage rate relative to capacity - hence no brake re-gen needed!)
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/01/20/exclusive-mclaren-p1-review/
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/P1%20Battery_zpsr34rdooy.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/P1%20Battery_zpsr34rdooy.png.html)

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM2xMreaUEY

[XHawkeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VQ3ROolkyU

[LHutton]

Nice. Amazing it seems so manageable on public roads.

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnTZKvX5jg
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/1503_2015_mclaren_p1_vs_2015_porsche_918_spyder/specs.html#ixzz3Tt3CgYwi
http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a508/sigmafour1/p1vs918lagunaseca_zps3fbu3fly.png (http://s1281.photobucket.com/user/sigmafour1/media/p1vs918lagunaseca_zps3fbu3fly.png.html)

Green line was 1:30.71.
http://i.imgur.com/dLAcuXg.jpg

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idV6zMiWUIU#t=156

[Crazed_Insanity]

P1 is really gorgeous, but I think 918 is the clear winner. LaFerrari is the clear loser! :p

[LHutton]

Not too sure, so far it's 1-1 wrt head-to-heads on dry tracks. 918 won by 0.8s at Laguna Seca, P1 won by 1.2s at Aglesey Coastal.

Meanwhile 918 lost to a Huracan on a longer track at Balocco. The problem is that the 918 runs in Hot Lap mode during tests, which drains the battery after about 90s, no such problems in the P1 (see video above - Jason Hart is a GT3 pro driver), it runs in a sustainable race mode.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/porsche-918-spyder.49588/page-51#post-745184

Nice 0-200mph in 20s in the wet here. :D It made 213mph (GPS) on the runway at Prestwick when it dried out. Took just over a mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfXAdgWl4dU

[Kchrpm]

I don't really care which one is faster around which track, they're all awesome to me, and no one who purchases any of them should feel any doubt about the quality of their decision.

[MR2 Fan]

so 918 is the street supercar you can take to the track, the P1 is the track supercar you can drive on the street

[Crazed_Insanity]

LaFerrari is just a supercar that cannot be taken to the track nor to the street whenever 918 and P1 are around. :D

[LHutton]

...and only does downhill quarter mile tests on its own test track.

[LHutton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kUWIxsXMBc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50KyX02hNE

[LHutton]

Road Legal P1 GTR for sale.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mclaren/p1/road-legal-mclaren-p1-gtr--unregistered/4484373


We have for sale the chance to buy a piece of automotive history - 1 of 8 road legal McLaren P1 GTR with the owner being given the chance to spec the car to their liking.
Please note no daydreamers - This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to own a car that will become as sought after as the legendary F1.

[Freude am Fahren]

What's that take other than legal tires?

[LHutton]

Don't know really, it's being done by the same company that converted F1 GTRs for road use.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/company-wants-build-mclaren-p1-gtr-road-133005929.html

http://lanzante.co.uk/

[LHutton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUPfLHPUelE
McLaren P1 - 58.24s
Porsche 918 - 58.47s
LaFerrari - 58.58s

[LHutton]

918 - 10.65s@142mph
P1 - 10.90s@145mph
LaFerrari 11.21s@142mph

Was pretty greasy apparently. Times are averaged, so that's why ETs and speeds don't line up if anyone picks up on that.

EDIT: Turns out they're averaged over multiple runs and that's why they don't stack up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e9FUAvxsrf0

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H43_lkBkGkg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3YPTkBRaOk

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/algarve-international-circuit-portimao


Pos Vehicle Driver Time ps / kg
1 McLaren P1 Chris Harris 1:51.78 916 / 1490
2 Porsche 918 Spyder Chris Harris 1:53.98 887 / 1640
3 Ferrari LaFerrari Chris Harris 1:54.25 963 / 1585
4 Ferrari 458 Speciale Chris Harris 1:58.20 605 / 1395
5 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta Chris Harris 1:59.00 740 / 1725
6 Honda CBR1000RR Miguel Praia 2:02.20 178 / 199
7 Porsche 911 GT3 (991) Chris Harris 2:03.02 476 / 1425