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XHawkeye
February 21st, 2014, 07:49 PM
Finally an JDM/EU Civic I'm glad will not be sold in the US.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/31922/images/01HONDACIVICTOURERDTECREVIEW.jpg

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/upload/31922/images/03HONDACIVICTOURERDTECREVIEW.jpg

Honda does knows how to build an ugly wagon.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Honda-Civic-Tourer-i-DTEC-16-2014-CAR-review/

thesameguy
February 21st, 2014, 09:26 PM
Yeah they do! That thing is a craptastropiece!

Yw-slayer
February 21st, 2014, 11:05 PM
I actually think it looks fine. Isn't it just a slightly modified Stream?

Seriously, if you guys think this looks bad then you have major problems.

KillerB
February 22nd, 2014, 07:41 AM
No, we don't have "problems," it's a matter of differing tastes. But there are some items that, from a design standpoint, are questionable:

- That rear roofline that dips down to match up with the corners of the lip spoiler. It looks disjointed and compromises visibility.
- The fender flares just look out of place. They make sense to do a performance version of a car with a wider track (see WRX) but for a family hauler, why not just widen the whole body and increase interior room?
- What is the point of "hidden" rear door handles when the implementation of such is so clunky as to draw the eye more than a regular door handle would?
- The front fascia looks like a bad Veilside kit piece and doesn't go with the rest of the car at all. I remember when you used to have to look at rusty, beat-ass ten year old Civic sedans with bad aftermarket front air dams to get that effect; now it's factory!

Designs like this just wouldn't fly when Honda was still focused on clean, functional, but fun-to-drive cars. This is just another bucket of piss dumped on Soichiro's grave.

IMO.

thesameguy
February 22nd, 2014, 09:51 AM
All that, plus:

o All the disjoint surfaces on the side - some are organic and flowing, others are harsh and mechanical. There is absolutely no cohesion between the fender bulges and the rockers. The square, flat plastic trim on the bulges is icing on the cake.
o What is up with the crazy door size mismatch? It's like they grafted a wagon back onto the coupe, instead of onto the 4-door. It's visually and functionally ridiculous. The window size mismatch isn't helping anything.

That bottom picture looks like a photoshop of a Civic front end and a 1st gen Matrix back end. That's how bad this design is. It's real, and looks like a bad photoshop.

Random
February 22nd, 2014, 10:25 AM
o What is up with the crazy door size mismatch? It's like they grafted a wagon back onto the coupe, instead of onto the 4-door. It's visually and functionally ridiculous. The window size mismatch isn't helping anything.

They stretched/bumped the existing Yerpeen Civic 5-dr. Similar to the Prius V make-over, kinda?http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/civic/_assets/images/hero/landing-hero.png

thesameguy
February 22nd, 2014, 12:46 PM
Eeesh! Also ugly, though less ugly. The TSX wagon-inspired tail of the Tourer is shit icing on the shit cake. :p

I am increasingly convinced that Honda cannot do anything right any more.

speedpimp
February 22nd, 2014, 03:07 PM
Ugly? No. Unique? Definitely.

Fogelhund
February 22nd, 2014, 09:41 PM
Count me as one who thinks that is fugly as hell. Terribad.

Yw-slayer
February 23rd, 2014, 12:28 AM
I think it's much better-looking than the European 5-door version (which looks best as the Tourer or the 3-door). The US one, which we get here, is OK but very bland.

stephenb
February 23rd, 2014, 03:14 AM
Can't temp you with a racing version? Honda will be campaigning them in this years British Touring Car Championship.

http://www.btcc.net/wp-content/gallery/honda-civic-tourer/civictourer-830.jpg

Jason
February 23rd, 2014, 03:46 AM
I still hate that we don't get the Type-R here. :(

TheBenior
February 23rd, 2014, 03:52 AM
Like the Si, it would still be bringing a knife to a turbocharged gunfight that is the modern sport compact scene.

With the addition of an inferior rear suspension and 170 lbs.

KillerB
February 23rd, 2014, 12:14 PM
If Honda gave us a CRZ or Fit equipped with the DOHC VTEC K20 they'd have a pretty hot number, though, one that would likely outrun the Fiesta ST and Fiat Abarth, and hang with Mini Cooper S.

The sport compact market, such as it is in the US these days, seems to have two distinct tiers.

- Larger cars, such as the Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3 (currently out of production, though), and Civic Si. The Civic is the weak sister in this group and I don't see nearly as many of the new 2.4L versions as I did the 2.0L previous generation. While I think the 2.4L is less desirable, I think the reality is that most of the previous gen Si were sold before the financial collapse in 2008, and the market for youth oriented cars in general is pretty terrible. The regular WRX probably also belongs in the group, though fundamentally I think the AWD cars are a class above, but the WRX lets you get into the STi/Evo class for FWD sport compact money, more or less.
- Smaller hot hatches, primarily the Fiat Abarth and Focus ST. Also the Hyundai Veloster Turbo. The Juke NISMO and NISMO RS are intriguing options, too. The Mini Cooper S is sized in this market but priced against the bigger cars and beyond.

That's about it in the US for smaller sporty stuff these days. The 86 and, to a lesser extent, the Miata, are competition for the bigger cars in price, even though, IMO, they're a different market, especially the Miata.

Alan P
February 23rd, 2014, 12:28 PM
Well the new Civic Type R is supposed to be turbocharged so you might get it.

The359
February 23rd, 2014, 08:32 PM
That's about it in the US for smaller sporty stuff these days. The 86 and, to a lesser extent, the Miata, are competition for the bigger cars in price, even though, IMO, they're a different market, especially the Miata.

And this has always struck me as an odd trend amongst the 86 community, in how many want to compare the car to the Genesis Coupe when I feel they are completely different markets. The 86 is closer competition to the Miata than it is to the bigger Genesis.

thesameguy
February 24th, 2014, 08:34 AM
Well, when you have a price:size:cost:configuration "mismatch" like you do with the 86, weird comparisons are bound to happen. Much like the CTS-V, which was compared against the M3 (it was much larger) and against the M5 (it was much cheaper). The 86 exists - in the US - in a null space where it has no direct competition. It's priced higher than other youth oriented cars, it's smaller and more cheaply made than much of its direct price competition, and being RWD it's in rarified company. Hamfisted comparisons (including those by yours truly ;) ), are inevitable. Whaddayagonnado?

thesameguy
February 24th, 2014, 08:37 AM
Can't temp you with a racing version? Honda will be campaigning them in this years British Touring Car Championship.

That generally works because the crap black plastic on the wheel arches is gone, the lower stance and ground effects make it look less like a half-assed Crosstrek, and the livery hides the clumsy lines and mutant door configuration.

Maybe a revision to an old axiom? "You can't polish a turd, but you can put racing stripes on it."

Crazed_Insanity
February 24th, 2014, 08:53 AM
Yeah, not sure if it's ugly, but for sure it's not good looking either.

Verdict is that I wouldn't buy it.

Anyway, I do think Honda is perhaps improving? For example at least I'm beginning to like the new Accord... or would consider it if I'm ever in the sedan market again. As for the current Civics..., I don't think they'd be near the top of my shopping list.

21Kid
February 24th, 2014, 09:36 AM
I don't mind the roofline or the rear door handles that much. But, the ginormus rear wheel arches and plastic arch covers are not pretty.

Random
March 17th, 2015, 09:07 AM
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/03/next-generation-honda-civic-will-get-uk-built-5-door-north-america/#more-1024049

Possible rumor that the US will potentially get Civic 5-drs in 2016, maybe.

*hyperventialates*

:D

pl8ster
March 17th, 2015, 09:20 AM
I don't mind the wagon too much, except for the giant rear fender flares.

But I must respectfully disagree about the ugliness of Honda wagons.

http://zombiedrive.com/images/2014-acura-tsx-sport-wagon-3.jpg

thesameguy
March 17th, 2015, 09:30 AM
"Americans traditionally don't like hatchbacks" + "The hatchback models often sell at a higher price point" = :boggle:

XHawkeye
June 2nd, 2015, 05:37 PM
@harrismonkey (https://twitter.com/harrismonkey/status/605672411581849600) If I owned a new Civic Type R and someone said: "that car REALLY suits you." Yes, I'd find that difficult to handle.

=====

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGfhGuhVAAAWLaO.jpg:large

We've finally driven it. Does the new #Honda Civic #TypeR deliver? Find out here. http://www.evo.co.uk/honda/civic-type-r …

Verdict:
Some of the old Type R character has been lost, but this new version is the best quick Civic yet

For: Dynamics, performance, engaging to drive

Against: Outlandish styling won’t suit all tastes

Crazed_Insanity
June 9th, 2015, 10:47 AM
Wonder if we'll ever get the old Honda back...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c39ARQR0LS4

Ali
June 21st, 2015, 09:15 AM
Sadly, I doubt it. I was all for buying the new Type R until I saw what they expected me to drive! I'd feel complete fool being seen in that thing! I'm sure it's amazing to drive but I just couldn't contemplate having it on my drive.

The359
September 11th, 2015, 10:20 AM
http://jalopnik.com/2016-honda-civic-sedan-this-is-it-1730110301

Um....no. This thing looks massive. I mean, props for going for the funky notchback route, but this thing looks massive compared to even the existing Civic sedan. And that grill makes Acuras look beautiful.

thesameguy
September 11th, 2015, 10:51 AM
Fugly front to back. I agree with the article that it has some very Mazda-esque attributes to it, but I am reminded of the mid '00s Hyundais that were supposed to evoke something else and failed miserably. This thing looks like a police sketch of a Mazda6. :down:

Yw-slayer
September 11th, 2015, 05:22 PM
I don't mind it. But I prefer the precious gen JDM model. Actually, all JDM models FTW.

Jason
September 14th, 2015, 03:06 AM
That looks like an Accord. Whatever happened to small, light, sporty, practical Honda? :(

thesameguy
September 14th, 2015, 08:47 AM
They call it "Ford" these days.

The359
September 14th, 2015, 08:52 AM
http://static.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/images/Auto/izmo/337586/2012_honda_crosstour_angularrear.jpg

XHawkeye
September 15th, 2015, 05:29 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO6cLXXUYAArFBT.jpg:large

こんなに機能的に、そして美しく自転車がクルマに積めたら?!本日より始まるドイツのフランクフルトモータ ーショーで荷室の広さを活かしたサイクリスト向けシビックツアラーを提案中。

Yw-slayer
September 16th, 2015, 06:57 PM
That's pretty cool, I guess.

shakes
September 17th, 2015, 05:33 AM
Official launch of the sedan was yesterday live on Youtube. Autoblog and Jalopnik both have decent galleries http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/16/2016-honda-civic-official/ http://jalopnik.com/2016-honda-civic-sedan-this-is-it-1731259788 It looks a little less gigantic to me than it did in the street shots. Honda is making us wait before they reveal the coupe and hatchback versions.

Yw-slayer
September 17th, 2015, 06:10 AM
Don't like those rear lights on the sedan, but the rest of it is fine.

Random
September 17th, 2015, 10:13 AM
Definitely interested in the 5-dr.

edit: those wheels are not attractive.

Jason
September 17th, 2015, 04:49 PM
They're just doubling down on ugly noses, aren't they?

Rare White Ape
September 18th, 2015, 02:04 AM
Aww.

My housemate has a 2008 Civic sedan (identical to THIS ONE (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/2006-2009_Honda_Civic_VTi-L_sedan_01.jpg) but black) and I think it's absolutely fantastic.

It has no torque below 5000 RPM and the ride is... jiggly, but the handling is sharp, precise and superb, the engine beautifully responsive at high RPM, it's exterior somewhat plain but stylish, the interior looks crazy but it's easily the most pleasant and practicable post I've ever had the pleasure of piloting into a punishing prose of sinewy switchbacks, the wheel suddenly feeling light in my hands as the tail end steps out...

Basically it's a right-thinking powerhouse of just normal car design and function.

And this new one looks like shit.

Random
January 7th, 2016, 08:01 AM
Saw a '16 Civic on the road this morning. Rear-3/4 and rear views are nice. Didn't get a profile or front view. Size was unremarkable--it was actually a little shorter (in height) than the 7th Gen Civic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_(seventh_generation)) in the lane next to it.

Crazed_Insanity
January 7th, 2016, 09:55 AM
I saw a few of these on the road too, I don't know, I just don't like the rear end, reminds me of the ugly crosstour. I'm okay with it's front end, but the big butt really bothers me for a Civic.

With Crosstour, at least one has the option of getting a regular Accord, but with this new Civic, you're kinda stuck! :p Anyway, at least some like Random like its rear, but then he doesnt' like the front end!

So Moral of the story is that it's front end simply doesn't jive with its rear end.

novicius
December 21st, 2016, 03:47 AM
Looks like there's still some heat on the '16+ 10th gen Honda Civic hatchback. :D

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2120&stc=1
http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2121&stc=1


For reference, a '14 Civic:

http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2013/11/2014-Honda-Civic-Si-Coupe-front-three-quarters.jpg


It's not like this design language has come outta nowhere -- discuss!

Phil_SS
December 21st, 2016, 04:35 AM
The back isn't squared off enough like a true five door. It's like they tried to go half way in-between a five door and the old 2 door hatchbacks from SAAB or fox body Mustang. Just doesn't work.

Not only does it look funny but you lose a decent amount of cargo space.

thesameguy
December 21st, 2016, 08:45 AM
But look at how much space that design creates for the World's Largest Tail Lights and using up all the spare faux vents that Lexus couldn't cram onto the RC.

novicius
December 21st, 2016, 09:42 AM
I just chalk up the mongo-huge faux-vents to being a Japanese design thing -- plenty of non-fuctional vents are on Subarus too, for example.

thesameguy
December 21st, 2016, 10:35 AM
But at least the fake vents on Subarus are there to make space for real ones on WRC cars, or at least evoke WRC cars. Honda's vents evoke Honda's investment shift from Takata Airbag Corporation to Big Larry's House of Fake Vents.

novicius
December 21st, 2016, 10:41 AM
...and Lexus hired the guy who designed Remington shavers? Vents are just JDM, y0! ;)

Phil_SS
December 21st, 2016, 10:57 AM
Still looks like ass? Yes.

shakes
December 21st, 2016, 11:23 AM
I think Honda's problem will be that there just isn't enough visual differentiation between the 5 door and the sedan. I can tell the difference because I sell them on a daily basis. Joe Public on the other hand, probably isn't going to know that there's a 5 door variant even if he drove past one on the road because it basically looks identical to the sedan until you get up close and notice things like the rear wiper. In Canada at least, the hatchback does give you a couple extra features over the sedan for the same amount of money.

thesameguy
December 21st, 2016, 11:25 AM
I liked JDM better when it was just giant spoilers. At least those might have been functional. Vent textured solid plastic located in insane places is offensive. At least Ford puts fake vents on top of the engine where a hood scoop might go. Fake vents across the entire front and rear bumpers makes no sense.

Godson
December 23rd, 2016, 12:02 AM
I liked JDM better when it was just giant spoilers. At least those might have been functional. Vent textured solid plastic located in insane places is offensive. At least Ford puts fake vents on top of the engine where a hood scoop might go. Fake vents across the entire front and rear bumpers makes no sense.

It's like the current fake vents on the Yamaha FZ10.

thesameguy
December 23rd, 2016, 07:39 AM
I had to Google that, but yeah.

Kind of surprised Yamaha can afford fake vents.. Honda has got to be driving those prices up!

drew
December 23rd, 2016, 02:19 PM
As mentioned previously, the new Civics look like a sack of hammered assholes

Random
December 23rd, 2016, 03:11 PM
Fake vents across the entire front and rear bumpers makes no sense.

Race look, y0. They are coming from the same place as the fake "diffusers" that have appeared on any car with the slightest pretensions to "sport."

thesameguy
December 23rd, 2016, 05:35 PM
But even fake diffusers look like they belong there, and it's tough to tell that they don't do anything. Vent-textured plastic across the entire front and rear are not only obviously nonfunctional, but they don't even replicate something that is... unless Honda is somehow suggesting that the Civic is both front and rear engine, like two ass-ends of a Lambo glued together, locked in a perpetual, hilarious push of war. :smh:

Random
December 23rd, 2016, 05:44 PM
The rear vents on front-engined race cars are there to release high pressure air out of the rear wheel wells or from behind the bumper cover (sometimes they are part of the diffuser, too).

speedpimp
December 24th, 2016, 01:31 PM
As mentioned previously, the new Civics look like a sack of hammered assholes

Beauty is in the eye of the holder of said sack of hammered assholes. Now if it handled like a sack of hammered assholes than I'd be worried.

drew
December 24th, 2016, 03:09 PM
True. While it may grow on me, I'm not in any hurry to trade in my 2015.

neanderthal
December 31st, 2016, 05:58 PM
As mentioned previously, the new Civics look like a sack of hammered assholes

Saw a new tourer, you are are 100% correct my friend.

I didn't know what a sack of hammered assholes looked like until a Civic Tourer drove by me yesterday and I had an "ah ha!" moment. Not being facetious. Not being sarcastic.