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drew
March 31st, 2014, 09:04 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on a Genesis Coupe (3.8)?

I wish they put the 5.0 in them, but what can you do...


Anyway, I'm just doing some pre-lim car searching.

Random
March 31st, 2014, 09:13 AM
They autocross pretty well...

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/970082_10151786082626613_1212328803_n.jpg
(Ed Runnion, local SFR guy)

George
March 31st, 2014, 09:43 AM
They are great-looking cars.

Godson
March 31st, 2014, 10:00 AM
It's a Hyundai....

thesameguy
March 31st, 2014, 10:12 AM
Hyundai put a lot of work into those cars, and continues to evolve them in response to feedback. There are better cars, and there are cheaper cars, but I seriously doubt there are better cheaper cars. It's a solid ride and nice looking to boot.

The359
March 31st, 2014, 11:09 AM
I know they've had a lot of issues with the 6-speed manual, and last I had heard, maybe a year ago, Hyundai wasn't too keen on acknowledging it.

I considered one but the styling is a bit meh, especially the newer ones with the "hood scoops". The interior just feels like a G37, but cheaper.

drew
March 31st, 2014, 11:57 AM
There's a Gensis Coupe at the next building, they're definitely pretty cars. Maybe I'll go drive one for Ss&Gs.

Other (total random considerations) car range grately from Elise to Z06, STi to RS4.

Auto-x-ability really isn't on the list attributes. There's a .0001% chance of me autocrossing.

21Kid
March 31st, 2014, 12:09 PM
RSti :finger:

drew
March 31st, 2014, 12:13 PM
Yeah yeah.... I think a turn-key would be easier, on many, many fronts. :)

:finger:

21Kid
March 31st, 2014, 12:21 PM
You already have easy... ;)
I thought we were talking fun!

drew
March 31st, 2014, 12:58 PM
haha

drew
April 7th, 2014, 05:08 PM
M3?

speedpimp
April 7th, 2014, 05:11 PM
Why not just buy the Saleen back from Nick?

Kchrpm
April 8th, 2014, 10:03 AM
The Red Rocket :up:

Random
April 8th, 2014, 10:07 AM
M3?

Godson's looking to sell his '95, looks like.

Godson
April 8th, 2014, 02:35 PM
Drew might be thinking of E46 M3. But if you are curious....

drew
April 8th, 2014, 04:14 PM
I was looking at an E92, but not overly serious. Just getting a broad base of what's out there.

Godson
April 9th, 2014, 08:44 AM
Buy a mustang over that turd...

novicius
April 9th, 2014, 08:47 AM
Buy a mustang over that turd...
This. A clean, basic 2011+ Mustang 5.0L w/. six-speed (and warranty) for the same money is a win. :up: :up:

Kchrpm
April 9th, 2014, 09:02 AM
Coyote :up:

KillerB
April 9th, 2014, 09:24 AM
The only advantage of the M3 is if you go with the sedan, since the Mustang is obviously not available with four doors.

Godson
April 9th, 2014, 10:46 AM
You'd be better with the e92 diesel for that purpose.

drew
April 9th, 2014, 11:41 AM
4 doors really isn't on my "check list"

If it has 4, fine, if not, it's not a requirement by any means.

Godson
April 9th, 2014, 02:28 PM
Z06....if you can find one.

speedpimp
April 10th, 2014, 02:57 PM
Just check Keef's dreams.

Kchrpm
April 10th, 2014, 06:58 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=360033453&Log=0

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/images/2013/11/21/360/033/34748823694.360033453.IM1.04.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

31k miles, $38k, in Florida. DO IT.

novicius
April 11th, 2014, 06:19 AM
Used 2012 Ford Mustang GT Coupe - $22,993 (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?&listingId=369733283)
http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/images/2014/4/7/369/733/37607105304.369733283.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.j pg
23k miles, $23k, in Florida. WINNING. :cool:

Alan P
April 12th, 2014, 03:25 PM
I can't deny either one of those would be awesome.

Freude am Fahren
April 12th, 2014, 05:30 PM
That Mustang seems a bit high, no? Z06 seems like a better deal.

Random
April 18th, 2014, 03:44 PM
Come out for a visit: http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=48177

drew
April 18th, 2014, 06:26 PM
boo, registration... :P

Random
April 18th, 2014, 07:21 PM
Beautiful 2002 C5 Z06

Torch Red
Chrome factory wheels
Leather Seats
HUD (heads up display)
CD
25k miles

I purchased the car to track, but sadly never made it out once. We have autocrossed the car on street tires locally.

The car is in excellent condition inside and out. Asking $23.5k.

Pictures here: http://lightdance.zenfolio.com/p299206668

David


Sorry.

drew
April 18th, 2014, 07:50 PM
:up:

Having heard "Audis are nice, and fast" today...The RS4 is still in contention....

We'll see.

GB
April 19th, 2014, 06:48 PM
http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs5-coupe (http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs7) <---- wierd... it goes to the RS7 page. :erm:


http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-rs5-coupe

drew
April 28th, 2014, 04:57 PM
Yep. Spent the better part of an evening last week looking at those.

I think they're truly gorgeous.

Random
April 28th, 2014, 05:02 PM
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html

2015s will get a 6-speed and the pimpy magnetic dampers.

Alan P
April 28th, 2014, 06:36 PM
As a 'Pom' looking in those SS's do look like a hell of a lot of car for the money.

KillerB
April 28th, 2014, 09:40 PM
http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan.html

2015s will get a 6-speed and the pimpy magnetic dampers.

:up:

Kchrpm
April 29th, 2014, 04:54 AM
Saw that, too. Badass.

drew
April 29th, 2014, 08:21 AM
Interesting.

Kchrpm
April 29th, 2014, 08:49 AM
I listen to the Autoblog podcast, the guy who got to drive one for a week was gushing about it. Everyone can fit it in comfortably, handles great, gobs of power, really nice inside.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/03/2014-chevrolet-ss/


After a week with the SS, I grew quite fond of the Australian transplant – it's hard not to like a powerful, torque-laden V8 shoehorned under the hood of a rear-wheel sedan with suspension, tires and brakes equally on par. It's far from perfect, but I smiled broadly each time I stepped on the accelerator and the throaty LS3 came to life.

The Chevrolet SS falls short to the competition (Dodge Charger SRT8, Chrysler 300 SRT8 and Cadillac CTS Vsport) in terms of power and styling, but it has them beat on price. Taken as a whole, the SS comes across as a polished, and very well-rounded, sport sedan package that is more focused on performance than the others.

Yw-slayer
April 29th, 2014, 09:09 AM
I drove the current RS4 last year. I reckon it was cool, but way overrated. The S6 sedan I drove was far more impressive for some reason. I would like the first-gen RS4, but that's an entirely different car.

Random
June 2nd, 2014, 02:14 PM
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4486731427.html

;)

Godson
June 2nd, 2014, 02:27 PM
that's legit.



And they are running on Federal!!!



Those things are like vaporware

thesameguy
June 2nd, 2014, 02:57 PM
It's 2L.

Gonna guess it doesn't smog so well, though.

Random
June 2nd, 2014, 02:59 PM
Not at all I would guess, given the non-US ECU and no mention of a cat. :D

Godson
June 11th, 2014, 04:18 AM
might be a bit high in price...



But'll light the tires fo'sho





http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Chevrolet-Corvette-d1?sourceContext=criteo&showListingId=86786552#listing=86786552

21Kid
June 11th, 2014, 11:11 AM
I have a feeling... since Drew's "settled down" in FL, he no longer is interested in a dick-swinging-mobile.

Godson
June 11th, 2014, 04:20 PM
plausible, but ya never know. I just thought I'd share it for the hell of it.

drew
June 16th, 2014, 04:09 AM
Dick-swinging was never really a determination.

I just want something that actually goes when you step on the pedal. The STi has moved towards the front, for the time being.

and yes, $75k may be a bit of a reach :finger:

novicius
June 16th, 2014, 06:42 AM
Heh, after this past weekend, I'm dreaming of supercharging the 4.6L V8 in the Exploder. :)

Godson
June 16th, 2014, 07:22 AM
Why? I haven't had a lot of good experiences with supercharged Fords FWIW. I am not including Bertha in that equation, as that bitch was an outlier.

Random
June 16th, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dick-swinging was never really a determination.

I just want something that actually goes when you step on the pedal. The STi has moved towards the front, for the time being.

and yes, $75k may be a bit of a reach :finger:

How about a 2004 911 for $28k? :)

Godson
June 16th, 2014, 11:31 AM
IMS failure...

Kchrpm
June 16th, 2014, 11:38 AM
Or a 2008 C6 for $24k

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=374124675&Log=0

Random
June 16th, 2014, 11:42 AM
IMS failure...



Upgraded LN Engineering Intermediate Shaft Bearing at 61,000 miles


:)

Random
June 16th, 2014, 11:54 AM
This one might be more "Florida" than a boring ol' 996, though:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4518075870.html
http://images.craigslist.org/01616_fbTf4KKwZUw_600x450.jpg

:D

pl8ster
June 16th, 2014, 12:14 PM
I've never been particularly fond of the slantnose conversions, but that angle makes it look horrendous.

Said the guy who daily-drives a 14-year-old truck :lol:

Random
June 16th, 2014, 12:15 PM
Yeah, the square-er profile of the convertible top does the car no favors.

Godson
June 16th, 2014, 12:42 PM
hrm....

novicius
June 16th, 2014, 01:40 PM
Why? I haven't had a lot of good experiences with supercharged Fords FWIW. I am not including Bertha in that equation, as that bitch was an outlier.
Emphasis on the word "dreaming". :D

I'd be fine with SCT tuner w/. 89-octane tune, new exhaust throughout and some other minor changes.

I came across this quote and thought it was quote-worthy:


Spending money I don't have, on parts I don't need, to impress people I don't know!
:lol: :up:

Godson
June 16th, 2014, 03:17 PM
Yup. Sounds about right.

novicius
July 8th, 2014, 07:11 AM
So you want to build a race car? (http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/showthread.php?29254-ITS-Ford-Mustang(s)-Build-Stripper-Stang-Part-II)

(A build thread from the guy that is selling that Gran Torino that Russ linked to (http://gtxforums.net/showthread.php?47-craigslist-finds&p=17631&viewfull=1#post17631).)

tigeraid
July 26th, 2014, 11:51 AM
Just brainstorming... Finally convinced the wife to maybe look at new-ish cars (our first ever) in a year or so. Let's say spring of 2016 or something.

Suddenly, I'm a kid in a candy store, as the average cost of my last ten vehicles is something around $2000. I don't really know where to start on what I NEED, but one car that keeps popping into my head is the new Regal GS. I love how it looks, I love the idea that it's a Turbo 4, so it still gets good gas mileage, and I love that it may be responsive to mild modifications.

Has anyone driven one? I like the idea of AWD but apparently it's only available with the automatic, which is kind of lame. Is the auto any good in these? Would I be better to stick with the FWD manual for simplicity and reliability?

Or is it a shitheap? Interior quality for someone like me isn't too difficult, given my automotive past--I drove a 2013 Malibu rental car and thought it was fantastic inside, other than the shitty place on the center of the steering wheel...

thesameguy
July 26th, 2014, 02:12 PM
I like the Regal, but I also really liked the Saab 9-3SS and those two cars have quite a bit in common. I've not driven the AWD one, which may yield different results, but the FWD one was like an updated 9-3.... and I like the 9-3. The Regal adds some suspension refinements, mountains of sound deadening, and direct injection - but to no small degree it's the car/platform that Saab fixed for GM. I think Trifecta is getting well over 300hp from the engine with software - amazing what direct injection can do! I like the way it looks in and out, but everything that let the 9-3 down also lets the Regal down. It's nice, but it's nowhere near as engaging or connected as other cars in its arena - those being things like the 5er and E-class. However, those cars cost like 40% more so IMHO those sins should be forgiven. The simple truth is that it's a nice car based on a cheap car and priced largely accordingly. It feels lighter than it is, which is a good thing, but it's not exactly spritely.

As a used car, they are a superb value as are many Buicks. Wouldn't even think of owning one new!

GB
July 28th, 2014, 07:20 PM
So you want to build a race car? (http://www.improvedtouring.com/forums/showthread.php?29254-ITS-Ford-Mustang(s)-Build-Stripper-Stang-Part-II)

That thread is certainly interesting, but massively depressing to me.

Makes me realize how utterly shitty my car is, how shitty my wrenching skills are, how shitty my bank account is, how shitty my whole attempt to build an ITS car is.


I should have just bought something. :(

Yw-slayer
July 28th, 2014, 07:40 PM
Just brainstorming... Finally convinced the wife to maybe look at new-ish cars (our first ever) in a year or so. Let's say spring of 2016 or something.

Suddenly, I'm a kid in a candy store, as the average cost of my last ten vehicles is something around $2000. I don't really know where to start on what I NEED, but one car that keeps popping into my head is the new Regal GS. I love how it looks, I love the idea that it's a Turbo 4, so it still gets good gas mileage, and I love that it may be responsive to mild modifications.

Has anyone driven one? I like the idea of AWD but apparently it's only available with the automatic, which is kind of lame. Is the auto any good in these? Would I be better to stick with the FWD manual for simplicity and reliability?

Or is it a shitheap? Interior quality for someone like me isn't too difficult, given my automotive past--I drove a 2013 Malibu rental car and thought it was fantastic inside, other than the shitty place on the center of the steering wheel...

AWD, turbo four, and auto? New wrx has your name.

Random
September 4th, 2014, 01:18 PM
One for drew (and maybe Kid? Heh heh.): http://www.roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?50410-2003-Impreza-WRX-original-owner-hybrid-EJ257-stoptechs-EDMs&p=1472324#post1472324

drew
September 4th, 2014, 02:46 PM
Interesting. I'm looking at '14 WRXs at the moment. The hatches grew on me.

drew
September 14th, 2014, 05:46 AM
I think the next car is a Subaru, just need to pick which one.

2015 WRX: new looks haven't grown on me.
BRZ: starting to really dig it, but I wish it had about 50-60 more hp...
2014 WRX (hatch) Probably more practical /utilitarian rear seat.

4 months left with the Honda, research has began.

Yw-slayer
September 14th, 2014, 07:23 AM
My firm belief is that most people don't need more power than the stock BRZ offers unless (a) They're speed junkies (b) They don't have many or any enjoyable, twisty roads nearby (c) They weigh more than 200lb AND, when driving, regularly need to carry more than 1 other person (who weights 110+lb) in the car. It's also not a great car for any sort of prolonged highway duty. Of course, things are quite different here.

Of the three you've mentioned, I dislike the hunchback (2014) and prefer the current-gen model. But if you're going to throw bikes in the back, then yeah, the hunchback is obviously a better choice.

Freude am Fahren
September 14th, 2014, 08:25 AM
Yeah, I fall in to category b big time. Reason why in a couple years if I'll be deciding on either trading in, or just being able to buy a second car and adding power to the BRZ.

Or moving :lol:

novicius
September 14th, 2014, 08:48 AM
(a) They're speed junkies (b) They don't have many or any enjoyable, twisty roads nearby
Drew now lives in Florida -- have you SEEN a map of Florida, YW?? :lol: They live their lives a quarter-mile at a time on perfectly straight, perfectly flat roads.

drew
September 14th, 2014, 10:11 AM
Indeed. You get on an overpass and you can see both oceans.

Bike hauling is a non-issue (I have no bike).

Decisions decisions.

I think the 2015 Imprezas are UAF.

The BRZ trumps all in that category, I think it's gorgeous. Again, I just wish it shared the same motor as the WRX... Then it'd be a no-brainer.

Having had the Saleen for 4 summers then moving to Chicago and having NOWHERE for it to go (except to Nicko), then having a 140hp Civic sedan (there was a purpose) for the last three years. I need something with nuts.

Still not really in a position to have two cars (meaning, one daily and one purely for toy status). While winter isn't a factor anymore, and adds some flexibility to the daily choices, I still would like something that is fun/borderline fast.

The 200hp and no turbo on the BRZ is my only reservation. Even if it was 200 WITH turbo, that would probably lend itself to an "easy" tweak in juice.

It's a damn shame they don't make a BRZ STi with the 2.5 turbo.

novicius
September 14th, 2014, 10:18 AM
For that money, you should just buy a Challenger R/T. #torque+attention

drew
September 14th, 2014, 10:40 AM
Well, yeah, but, I have to consider the inevitably of having to commute at some point as well (project is winding down).

Right now, I barely drive 200 miles a month, so it wouldn't make any difference, since I only get gas every 6-8 weeks...

novicius
September 14th, 2014, 11:09 AM
Do you want twist or do you want MPG? Make a choice. :D

drew
September 14th, 2014, 11:26 AM
Blah blah.... :finger:

I still have 4 months left with the Honda, so lots of research left :)

Kchrpm
September 14th, 2014, 01:36 PM
Will they be highway miles? #Corvette

drew
September 14th, 2014, 02:35 PM
While the thought of a Z06 is tempting, it's not in the cards

speedpimp
September 14th, 2014, 03:52 PM
What if it were available in taupe?

Freude am Fahren
September 14th, 2014, 04:18 PM
http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=815&d=1410736699

speedpimp
September 14th, 2014, 04:31 PM
Haute sauce.

Drachen596
September 14th, 2014, 05:20 PM
i think i have to go throw up now...

reminds me of this odd color i saw on a Ram truck at the Dodge dealer on Thursday. I can only describe it as a white khaki color.

Godson
September 14th, 2014, 09:51 PM
that thing is the tits.

drew
September 22nd, 2014, 06:17 PM
Current front runners:

BRZ
Genesis Coupe


I need to go drive them.

thesameguy
September 22nd, 2014, 08:12 PM
Interesting. At this moment, in that arena, I would seriously trying and score a '14 Mustang GT. I hear there are huge discounts on them post 2015 fanfare - somewhere I read a dealer was offing '14 V6s for $20k.

Kinda not sure why I'm not buying one.

2ndMoparMan
September 22nd, 2014, 08:17 PM
Hard to argue with a 100k mile warranty.

Godson
September 22nd, 2014, 09:38 PM
and 300hp, and 30+ mpg....

Random
September 22nd, 2014, 09:41 PM
* not available at the same time.

GB
September 23rd, 2014, 05:22 AM
Current front runners:

BRZ
Genesis Coupe

And when you get something, you WILL be going to track days with me.

Resistance is futile.

novicius
September 23rd, 2014, 09:16 AM
A wordy two-year-old comparo between the FR-S, BR-Z & Genesis Coupe 2.0t. (http://www.windingroad.com/articles/reviews/comparison-test-2013-hyundai-genesis-coupe-20t-r-spec-vs-2013-scion-fr-s-vs-2013-subaru-brz/)


The Genesis Coupe definitely offers a more peaky delivery of power. As the turbo spools up, the 2.0T turns on the afterburners, and things begin to happen a lot more quickly. Thrill seekers will appreciate being pushed back in their seats as the turbo motor hits its stride and slingshots forward. It’s a good feeling, and it is definitely one of healthy speed. Sonically, it sounds higher-pitched, and the hiss of the turbo adds another layer of complexity to the engine’s sound. It’s a truly generous motor, and we think it’ll be what wins most people to Hyundai’s side.

The shifting experience is inextricable from that of the motor, especially since all the cars we tested used six-speed manual transmissions to swap the gears. In the FR-S and BRZ, it is a nicely tactile experience. The shifter feels very solid, and the throw is nice and short. It lands in each gate with palpability and precision. It’s a fun transmission to work very fast, and a really great tool to match the rest of the Scion/Subaru driving dynamics.

In the Genesis, the shifter looks nice and comes to hand nicely. It also doesn’t have too long of a throw. It’s a bit lifeless when going through the gears, though, and doesn’t offer the same level of feedback as its rivals. The problem is in its vague feel when moving from gear to gear. There’s not a huge issue in practice—you might miss an upchange here and there—the real complaint is that it doesn’t feel very good to use.

The steering in the Genesis isn’t as telepathic as that in the Japanese cars. On center, there’s some vibration in the steering wheel corresponding to the road surface. As soon as we input any steering angle, though, that feeling went away. The weight was light, and didn’t change as we turned it more. It feels very electronic, and a bit vague, though responses to inputs are natural and appropriate.

In both the FR-S and BRZ, the steering is very direct and responsive. The fairly small wheel feels pliant in hand, and the weight of the steering is light enough to make turning fast and easy, but with enough heft to still feel substantial. As one dials in more steering angle, the feedback comes through to the driver’s hands, communicating the amount of grip on offer. It’s a really good setup, and it works to showcase the cars’ handling prowess. It also feels utterly natural, which is a massive complement in this world of EPAS fakery.

drew
September 23rd, 2014, 10:27 AM
Interesting. I'm actually looking at the 3.8, not that I would imagine that makes a lot of difference, since it's the same foundation.

KillerB
September 23rd, 2014, 01:17 PM
With the announcement that Lotus will withdraw the Evora as its waiver for smart airbags runs out, I have to think that dealers will be very motivated to move the remaining stock...

drew
September 23rd, 2014, 03:23 PM
Evora>$30k

Not really in the cards. If I was going to realistically spend $40-50k on something (which Im sure is 30k under what a new Evora, even), it'd be something with a Z and 06 in the name.

thesameguy
September 23rd, 2014, 03:56 PM
I thought the Cavalier Z24 was killed long before '06?

drew
September 23rd, 2014, 05:30 PM
Bah dum bum

KillerB
September 23rd, 2014, 09:15 PM
Evora>$30k

Not really in the cards. If I was going to realistically spend $40-50k on something (which Im sure is 30k under what a new Evora, even), it'd be something with a Z and 06 in the name.

Oh, I thought this was random car thoughts, not random cars for Drew thoughts. I meant for me. :P

drew
September 24th, 2014, 04:58 AM
It's always about me! :finger:

GB
September 24th, 2014, 06:45 AM
Since I can't afford an F-Type Coupe R, and the XF-R is a little larger than I'd like, I'm am now looking forward to the new XE. I wonder what the power options will be.

tigeraid
September 24th, 2014, 08:21 AM
Random eh?

I'm about two years away from hopefully, finally, buying our first somewhat-new car. I don't think I'll ever buy new, but 4-5 years old or so seems doable.


I keep waffling back and forth between small station wagon (who even makes them anymore?) and compact or mid-size truck. Does the Mazda 6 still come as a wagon? I suppose that's my main choice.

As far as the trucks though... I keep circling back to the Tacoma, because it seems like everyone else has just about given up on decent small trucks. The Dakota is a turd and I don't think it's made anymore, the Ranger is gone, the S-10 is gone. The Colorado is gone though a new one is premiering for the 2015 MY (too new by that point, I think.) Does anyone else make anything similar? Small V-6 or even a large 4 cylinder is fine.

TheBenior
September 24th, 2014, 08:25 AM
The Frontier is still around, and while like the Tacoma, it's a mid-size pickup with full-size pickup fuel economy, it does at least have a little more power.

Helpfully for the used buyer, resale value tends not to be as insanely strong as on Tacos.

thesameguy
September 24th, 2014, 10:26 AM
Since I can't afford an F-Type Coupe R, and the XF-R is a little larger than I'd like, I'm am now looking forward to the new XE. I wonder what the power options will be.

For the US, we'll have the existing 3.0l six shared with the F-Type as well as the new turbo direct-injected Ingenium motors, at/around 2.0l. I don't think there is anything planned for a larger engine at this time. I think there may be a hybrid offered as Ingenium supports that, but who knows? RWD and AWD are both planned, and I think the ZF 8-speed is the transmission in all configurations.

GB
September 24th, 2014, 11:40 AM
Well I would go for an XE-S with the same supercharged mill as the F-Type S. :up:

MR2 Fan
September 26th, 2014, 04:04 AM
random car pic found on google image search

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_i_AovfzNXgQ/TUo7LcGYJOI/AAAAAAABcVA/4g-ykJcRq0g/s1600/DSC_0146.JPG

novicius
September 26th, 2014, 06:51 AM
:hard:


I keep waffling back and forth between small station wagon (who even makes them anymore?)
What's the difference between a small station wagon and a 5-door hatch like a Mazda 3?

TheBenior
September 26th, 2014, 10:20 AM
Generally, a wagon is at least as long as the sedan variant of a car, not shorter like a hatchback such as a Mazda3 (which is about 4" shorter than the Mazda3 sedan).

Random
September 26th, 2014, 10:36 AM
The only reasonably priced small wagon left is the Jetta (Golf) Sportwagen (TDI or gas engine), I think. The remainder of the small wagons out there are up-market: Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Acura, Volvo, Cadillac.

There are quite a few hatch-backy/wagon-y things, still, if your definition of wagon extends to the 5-doors, as discussed above: Mazda 3, Focus, Impreza, Golf, MINI, Prius, etc.

pl8ster
September 26th, 2014, 10:55 AM
I'm sure you could get a deal on a leftover 2014 Acura TSX wagon, since the TLX (no wagon option, sorry) has replaced it, but probably not enough to make it 'reasonably-priced.' Alternately, I would suggest picking up an off-lease 2011 model at a sharp discount...though it should be noted that they didn't offer a manual option in the wagon :(

MR2 Fan
September 26th, 2014, 04:30 PM
:hard:


What's the difference between a small station wagon and a 5-door hatch like a Mazda 3?

Ohhh, you want to get into that? Go to NASIOC.com and search between the WRX years, some were "wagons" some were "hatchbacks"...something about the c-pillar or something?

Freude am Fahren
September 27th, 2014, 11:38 AM
Yeah, the crossover has kinda killed the wagon. Which sucks twice, because crossovers are mostly ugly and no more useful (sometimes less-so)

XHawkeye
October 7th, 2014, 02:03 PM
Volvo “Triple Boost” Engine (http://blog.caranddriver.com/volvo-triple-boost-four-cylinder-engine-has-three-compressors-makes-no-less-than-450-horsepower/)

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/152572_Volvo_Cars_reveals_450_horsepower_High_Perf ormance_Drive_E_Powertrain-e1412707611700-626x493.jpg

21Kid
October 7th, 2014, 02:43 PM
Also part of the package is a new dual fuel pump that delivers gasoline to the cylinders at 3626 psi.

That seems like a lot...

thesameguy
October 7th, 2014, 04:53 PM
It's quite a bit. Conventional DI engines are in the 2000-2500psi range.

Random
October 7th, 2014, 06:52 PM
Pretty low for a diesel.

Wonder if we'll see common rail DI gas engines? :D

thesameguy
October 7th, 2014, 08:31 PM
Don't we already?

Random
October 7th, 2014, 08:33 PM
Oh, I guess we do--derp. Must not need to run the same sort of pressures as diesel; lighter weight = better atomization?

thesameguy
October 7th, 2014, 08:48 PM
I think *most* common rail diesels run 2x,000 psi - there are some that run more, but most are in the 25k-29k range IIRC.

drew
October 20th, 2014, 05:52 AM
Consider me "undecided"....


At the moment, I'm trying to decide if the +60hp and +2 cylinders are worth the $10000 premium of an SS over a Genesis Coupe.

I'm aiming as something "fun" and yet, highway friendly, as we are hoping to do some weekend travels around. I don't want something to beat me to death on the highway.

Pretty much as square one.

21Kid
October 20th, 2014, 07:29 AM
Thanks for the update. :finger:

novicius
October 20th, 2014, 07:44 AM
At the moment, I'm trying to decide if the +60hp and +2 cylinders are worth the $10000 premium of an SS over a Genesis Coupe.
In Arkansas, no. In Florida, yes.

Kchrpm
October 20th, 2014, 07:56 AM
At the moment, I'm trying to decide if the +60hp and +2 cylinders are worth the $10000 premium of an SS over a Genesis Coupe.

Yes. They're taking their sweet time getting the 2015's pricing up on to the website, though, hopefully they're not going to be playing games with the manual or MagneRide.

drew
October 20th, 2014, 08:02 AM
I'm researching every aspect of the various cars I'm looking at as well.

Interior/tech, etc.

Built in NAV is a plus, which both have (as well as bluetooth/etc).

Cool think about Chevy is the wi-fi (I have no doubt it's "free" for the first couple months and pay after).

I'm leaning towards sedans as well.


The biggest variable being the house in IN, and if it sells at the turn of the year, which has a pretty high probability.


So I have 4 months to do my thesis.

Kchrpm
October 20th, 2014, 08:22 AM
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2014/May/0512-4glte-pricing.html

You get 3 months/3GB free, and then:

OnStar Subscriber (monthly)
200 MB - $5
1 GB - $15
3 GB - $30
5 GB - $50

Non-Subscriber (monthly)
200 MB - $10
1 GB - $20
3 GB - $30
5 GB - $50

AT&T Mobile Share Plan Customer, OnStar Subscriber
250 MB/1 day - $5
10 GB/1 year - $150

AT&T Mobile Share Plan Customer, Non-Subscriber
250 MB/1 day - $5
10 GB/1 year - $200

drew
October 20th, 2014, 08:49 AM
The wi-fi is not in any way a deal maker/breaker. I'd probably try it in the first three months, and go from there.

It'd just be her and I for 90% of the trips, and the only reason we'd use it, would be if we HAD to do something work-related...


Which, working from the car/a plane sucks balls.

Kchrpm
October 20th, 2014, 08:56 AM
That functionality is easily replicated by a $50 device anyway, and most smartphones.

Freude am Fahren
October 20th, 2014, 09:02 AM
Don't forget + 2 doors.

thesameguy
October 20th, 2014, 09:33 AM
If road travels are part of the plan, can't forget cargo volume. A capacious trunk is always nice to have.

drew
October 20th, 2014, 11:18 AM
The whole sedan thing grew on me.

And yes, the wi-fi thing isn't really a major point, it was just something "cool".

If only they made a 300hp BRZ....

I'm still suffering withdrawals from the mustang. 4 summers of thunder....I kinda want that back. but it would still have to be "practical" as it will probably be required for a daily commuter. While a Camaro/Mustang would fulfill the rumble/fun, I'm not sure if they're really dailies, or road trip cars.

The additional 2 doors would help if we ever had more than us going somewhere too.

Obviously, the SS is the top end of the price scale, and that scale's really an unknown until the house thing pans out,

research continues

Kchrpm
October 20th, 2014, 11:35 AM
Would it help if I said I would visit and hump your leg if you got the SS?

21Kid
October 20th, 2014, 11:42 AM
WRX. :D

thesameguy
October 20th, 2014, 11:53 AM
I can't speak highly enough of the 1st gen CTS-V as a budget road-trip friendly family car. You can also get CPO 2nd gen CTS-Vs for between $35k and $45k, which is not a bad deal for a pretty luxurious 550hp monster.

On the subject, fairly recent E63s are downright affordable and a helluva car. Not to slight the M5, but it's butt ugly. So, yeah, I'm totally slighting it.

drew
October 27th, 2014, 12:20 PM
I'm really starting to lean towards the Genesis. Cost/fun, I think it's a fabulous looking car too. Just need to find the time to go drive one.

CudaMan
October 27th, 2014, 03:25 PM
I had fun autoxing the V6 Genny [Ed's car, Russ] when I tried it. Not a bad car.

Kchrpm
October 28th, 2014, 08:07 AM
Random car thought:

Dat's nice.

http://jalopnik.com/cadillac-ats-v-coupe-this-is-it-1651698477

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/avi9tp3bahrd4l4b1i4j.jpg

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/uyu35jg278mzwn1v7hcw.jpg

(not suggesting this for Drew, simply providing a random car thought)

thesameguy
October 28th, 2014, 09:56 AM
No worries, you can suggest that for me.

One of the girls here drives a clean ATS and I enjoy looking at it every single day. An ATS-V would be gnarly.

21Kid
October 28th, 2014, 10:33 AM
I've never been a fan of that headlight style.

drew
October 29th, 2014, 05:14 AM
Rumor (very slight one at that) has it that Hyundai may offer the 5.0 in the 2016 Genesis...

If only. But, from what I've been reading, it's just that, a rumor, and a remote chance at that.


420hp would be a real game changer, I'd imagine.

The359
November 3rd, 2014, 11:47 AM
Someone selling an old Legacy wagon beater, with a 5-speed manual on Craigslist.

http://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_9mXnEfm5zfc_600x450.jpg

Is this something common on low-end manual cars, no tachometer?

Random
November 3rd, 2014, 12:39 PM
Used to be, yeah. Had to pay extra for a tach! The alternatives I've seen were a clock (VW) or really big fuel/temp gauges (Honda) there instead of a blank spot, though.

drew
November 3rd, 2014, 02:26 PM
Some of the older cars didn't need them anyway. You could just put a big smiley face there and get the same "joy".

George
November 3rd, 2014, 02:42 PM
Used to be, yeah. Had to pay extra for a tach! The alternatives I've seen were a clock (VW) or really big fuel/temp gauges (Honda) there instead of a blank spot, though.

I always thought the Japanese automakers did a better job of making non-installed options less visible. Maybe that's because they had fewer options. American manufacturers would just leave a big blank circle where a tach would go (I'm thinking '70s & '80s American pickups here, especially), and things like a big plastic plate over the area where a separate cassette deck would have gone if you bought a car with an AM/FM radio only. Honda and Toyota would install a little storage bin there, instead. I think Detroit wanted people to look at base model interiors and decide to spend a little more.

I've only had tachs in the two automatic cars I've owned. What a waste. I never had them in a manual trans vehicles I've owned. They should ditch tachs and install something useful instead, like wind wing windows. I was wishing for them again this morning as my windshield fogged up in the cold on the way to work. I've never really gotten over not having them.

thesameguy
November 3rd, 2014, 02:43 PM
When I first learned to drive a manual it blew my mind you could have a car with no tach. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN TO SHIFT???

Random
November 3rd, 2014, 03:29 PM
When I first learned to drive a manual it blew my mind you could have a car with no tach. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN TO SHIFT???

A friend's car had dots on the outside of the speedo that denoted the maximum speed in each gear. :D

Godson
November 3rd, 2014, 08:36 PM
When I first learned to drive a manual it blew my mind you could have a car with no tach. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN TO SHIFT???



This is still how I feel at times. I need as much information as possible...at all times.

JoshInKC
November 4th, 2014, 05:06 AM
My first car ('80 Toyota Corolla) was a 4-speed with no tach. Didn't bother me really, the first manual I learned to drive (3/Tree International Harvester 1-ton) didn't have one either, so I got used to the 'stay on the gas until it starts running out of power, then shift' method. Especially on older stuff like that it doesn't take long to get attuned to the sound/feeling of "Oh, time to shift."

MR2 Fan
November 10th, 2014, 03:52 PM
Warning, a bit of bad language, as is the case with almost all of RegularCarReviews videos, but still this one is good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFnUysUwm88&app=desktop

Leon
November 10th, 2014, 09:01 PM
When I first learned to drive a manual it blew my mind you could have a car with no tach. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHEN TO SHIFT???

Just before the smoke comes out.

Random
November 10th, 2014, 09:35 PM
What if it's a British car?!

Leon
November 10th, 2014, 10:25 PM
Doesn't matter, they don't start.

21Kid
November 12th, 2014, 12:01 PM
A friend's car had dots on the outside of the speedo that denoted the maximum speed in each gear. :D
Heh. My friend's Cavalier had a yellow "Shift Now" light that came on.

drew
November 12th, 2014, 02:23 PM
DANGER TO MANIFOLD!

21Kid
November 13th, 2014, 08:58 AM
:lol:

Not in the Cavalier. ;)

Kchrpm
December 2nd, 2014, 06:56 AM
2015 SS builder is up

http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan/build-your-own.html

The manual is a free option. Selecting that and nothing else gets you an MSRP+destination+gas guzzler of $48,040.

novicius
December 2nd, 2014, 08:57 AM
...with 10% down and 2.99% interest for 48 months, that's an even $1,000 USD/mo. car payment.

Hey, it looks good on you, Champ! :lol:

Random
December 2nd, 2014, 09:12 AM
2015 SS builder is up

http://www.chevrolet.com/ss-sports-sedan/build-your-own.html

The manual is a free option. Selecting that and nothing else gets you an MSRP+destination+gas guzzler of $48,040.

What axle ratio do you end up with once you select the manual? The configurator unchecks the 3.27 box, but doesn't say what you're getting instead.

Full-sized spare is an option. :up:

21Kid
December 2nd, 2014, 10:29 AM
...with 10% down and 2.99% interest for 48 months, that's an even $1,000 USD/mo. car payment.

Hey, it looks good on you, Champ! :lol:
:eek:
And, what is the insurance like?

George
December 2nd, 2014, 10:36 AM
Pay cash and you can skip the comprehensive coverage if you choose.

What's in YOUR wallet?

thesameguy
December 2nd, 2014, 11:20 AM
Not having comprehensive coverage on something that could instantly disappear $50,000 seems like a misstep no matter how you slice it.

George
December 2nd, 2014, 12:09 PM
That's why I drop a zero off the $50,000 price when I shop for a new (to me) car.

Freude am Fahren
December 2nd, 2014, 12:19 PM
What axle ratio do you end up with once you select the manual? The configurator unchecks the 3.27 box, but doesn't say what you're getting instead.

Full-sized spare is an option. :up:

When you click on the option (not just the tick) you get a little info box:
6-speed manual transmission
Features a 3.70 axle ratio for strong acceleration.

Does not include remote vehicle starter system.

Also:
Splash Guards - Rear Molded
Rear Molded Splash Guard. Designed to accent the exterior of your SS, these Molded Splash Guards fit directly behind the front wheels to help protect against tire splash and mud. They feature the Holden logo.

novicius
December 2nd, 2014, 12:36 PM
That's why I drop a zero off the $50,000 price when I shop for a new (to me) car.
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/51685042.jpg

Random
December 2nd, 2014, 01:15 PM
When you click on the option (not just the tick) you get a little info box:


:up:

And :up: :up: on the Holden logo. :lol:

thesameguy
December 2nd, 2014, 02:04 PM
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/51685042.jpg

Word.

I'm willing to drop two, frankly.

GB
December 11th, 2014, 11:31 AM
My son and I chased down a white sport sedan a few days ago because we couldn't tell what it was. Once we got up close we saw that it was completely badged as a Holden SSV. Emblems, grill, lights, graphics... the works.

speedpimp
December 11th, 2014, 02:01 PM
Interesting that they offer three shades of green.

Freude am Fahren
January 25th, 2015, 07:32 AM
Question: In four wheel drive cars like the WRX*, can you crank an e-brake turn without the clutch? Will the front wheels/diff* keep the engine running? Or will it stall? Probably kind of a dumb question, but I was just wondering after watching those 911 rally videos.

*I imagine the multitude off different types of 4WD might have different answers. Or they're all going to stall :lol:

thesameguy
January 25th, 2015, 09:20 PM
That would likely be very hard on the center diff.

Leon
January 26th, 2015, 12:45 AM
Question: In four wheel drive cars like the WRX*, can you crank an e-brake turn without the clutch? Will the front wheels/diff* keep the engine running? Or will it stall? Probably kind of a dumb question, but I was just wondering after watching those 911 rally videos.

*I imagine the multitude off different types of 4WD might have different answers. Or they're all going to stall :lol:

WRX cars with the variable centre diff are the best for that, because they release the centre diff when you pull the handbrake.

The rest of them tend to have to slip the diff 100%, so your mileage may very.

novicius
January 26th, 2015, 01:14 PM
Drew, doit doit! ;)

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/images/2014/3/31/368/781/37473712694.368781267.IM1.02.565x421_A.562x421.jpg

"Ultra rare 1 in 7 2005 Stage 3 Saleen S281 SC in Legend Lime with 10000 original miles with 600 horsepower and 550 lbs of torque." (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=368781267) - $55K

Isn't this about the time that factory cars started producing truly sick horsepower levels?

novicius
January 26th, 2015, 01:25 PM
Or if you want to support somebody else's black magic:

http://images.autotrader.com/scaler/544/408/hn/081c46af26974637bb6c82e4b5715ba5.jpg

ZEXS 25 SHOT NOS NEVER USED !!! (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=390904588) :lol: - $15,994

thesameguy
January 26th, 2015, 02:12 PM
I'm sure that Saleen is worth somewhere around $65k, but that seems like a crazy use of money. That's a pair of C6 Z06s or a cover-all-bases Charger and Challenger ULTIMATE COMBO.

It's probably also this much cooler ride after some haggling:

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/4853169708.html

novicius
January 26th, 2015, 02:20 PM
Sick! :up: :up:

thesameguy
January 26th, 2015, 03:27 PM
I'm still cleaning up the mess I made.

Godson
January 26th, 2015, 04:18 PM
Holeeeeeee fuckckckckckckckckckck.

Leon
January 28th, 2015, 10:16 AM
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd284/niteb7/Mobile%20Uploads/image_1.jpg

700kg of Honda City (1300ish lb)

B18C engine (not the ITR engine, but still the 1800 vtec).

Gosh.

thesameguy
January 28th, 2015, 10:18 AM
Yes, that seems about right.

Godson
January 28th, 2015, 02:39 PM
170+hp in 1300 lbs.


yes please

CudaMan
January 28th, 2015, 06:50 PM
If memory serves those wheels are light and rare, too.

pl8ster
January 29th, 2015, 07:20 AM
Aren't those Mugens?

thesameguy
January 29th, 2015, 09:46 AM
.... or Rota replicas.

Leon
January 29th, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mugen CF48 according to the seller.

I've made a low offer on it, just for the hell of it.

It is still on standard brakes and suspension, and requires certification for mods before it is road legal, so still needs some serious cash spent on it.

Freude am Fahren
January 29th, 2015, 02:36 PM
White i8. Sexy.

drew
January 29th, 2015, 05:10 PM
I guess I forgot to let peeps know....

I got a '15 Civic Si Coupe in December.....

Got a deal on it (and Honda waived my last three lease payments on the 2012).

I think of it as the RSX, but with more tech in it.

It'll do, for now.

Freude am Fahren
February 10th, 2015, 04:44 PM
BMW is dead.

http://jalopnik.com/2016-bmw-2-series-gran-tourer-meet-bmws-new-mini-miniv-1685066959

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3hoUrEB7--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j47jpqmy791zwdx8f10j.jpg

Random
February 10th, 2015, 05:04 PM
MB survived (and continues to survive) the A-Class. Just sayin'. :)

Other thoughts:
1) hey, look, it's the reincarnation of the Colt Vista wagon (http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CC-57-072-1200.jpg). :D
2) No Hofmeister kink!

thesameguy
February 10th, 2015, 05:24 PM
Mazda kills the 5.
BMW drops the 2.
America thinks a small minivan is a great idea.
Just wait.

MR2 Fan
February 10th, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mazda kills the 5.
BMW drops the 2.
America thinks a small minivan is a great idea.
Just wait.

so...um....BMW dropped a deuce then?

Godson
February 10th, 2015, 08:44 PM
Further Support BMW is shit, has sold out, and no longer the company it was 30 years ago.

Kchrpm
February 11th, 2015, 05:25 AM
Yeah, they're now a company with a shit ton more sales and profits. That is what they care about. They've been outsold by Mercedes and Audi in the latest numbers, though, so maybe they need to further beige themselves.

pl8ster
February 11th, 2015, 05:27 AM
I guess I forgot to let peeps know....

I got a '15 Civic Si Coupe in December.....

Got a deal on it (and Honda waived my last three lease payments on the 2012).

I think of it as the RSX, but with more tech in it.

It'll do, for now.

Nice. I bet it's quicker than the RSX, too.

Godson
February 11th, 2015, 08:05 AM
Yeah, they're now a company with a shit ton more sales and profits. That is what they care about. They've been outsold by Mercedes and Audi in the latest numbers, though, so maybe they need to further beige themselves.

Are you saying this in a good way?

Kchrpm
February 11th, 2015, 09:21 AM
I'm saying it in a factual way with no opinion.

speedpimp
February 11th, 2015, 03:42 PM
If they put the M2 drive train in there you guys would be rubbing yourselves raw at the thought of driving it.

Godson
February 11th, 2015, 10:29 PM
Nope. Not until they make cars that aren't the size of a beached whale.

drew
February 16th, 2015, 01:34 PM
Bill, don't know, yet. I've been trying to be "good" and not go much over 4500 in it for the first 2000 miles (as recommended).


Sadly. I'm at 820 miles after 10 weeks. So if may be a mystery for a while...

TheBenior
February 16th, 2015, 03:52 PM
I'll solve the mystery for you. It's not quicker (http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2012-honda-civic-si-coupe-road-test-review-car-and-driver2012-honda-civic-si-coupe-road-test-2.pdf) than the RSX-S was (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-rsx-type-s-road-test), and is in fact a little bit slower, even if it has more torque in everyday driving.

I also know the break-in woes. I didn't hit the 625 mile break-in on my Monster 696 before winter hit (what happens when you buy a motorcycle in late October in Chicago), so I had to restrict myself to below 5500-6000rpm, where it probably makes about the same horsepower as my Suzuki GS550 did at 9000rpm. In my case, it still felt faster since it weighs 60lbs less.

thesameguy
February 17th, 2015, 08:25 AM
Was talking to a friend of a friend this weekend - both are farmers up north. Dude made the comment that he replaced his Dodge diesel with a Ford Ecoboost and had racked up 130k in two years. The engine had a big "fuel system" problem around 60k which Ford took care of, and it's been totally reliable in all other ways. That was good to hear. The thing he said which I had never considered is that the Ford is much better out in the fields because the Ecoboost is so light. With the diesel bouncing in and out of ditches was really traumatic, but the Ecoboost ends up being a lot more graceful. It's just something I'd never thought about.

Kchrpm
February 17th, 2015, 09:22 AM
I was curious what the actual weight differences were (I had heard the previous F150 was quite a bit heavier than comparable Chevy's, so the aluminum weight loss might not have given them a huge advantage), and luckily found the perfect article for this particular discussion: a comparison review of a V8 Chevy, EcoBoost Ford and diesel Dodge.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/1501_comparison_2015_ford_f_150_vs_ram_1500_chevro let_silverado/specs.html

Presuming the old Dodge diesel is close to the current one (I have no clue), he saved more than 1000 lbs! The Chevy is about 700 lbs heavier, as well.

Going over the specs, I just noticed the Ford has a 36 gallon tank, vs 26 for the Dodge and Chevy. I wonder why, or if it's a typo (or some option package...).

pl8ster
February 17th, 2015, 10:19 AM
But C/D did a comparison test and the Ecoboost F-150 was only 81 lbs. lighter than a Silverado with the 6.2L V8. They actually matched up in fuel economy (!!!!) and while the F-150 beat the Silverado to 60 by a tenth of a second, the Silverado was quicker in the 1/4 mile by the same amount.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-chevrolet-silverado-vs-2015-ford-f-150-2015-ram-1500-2014-toyota-tundra-comparison-test

Personally, I would never buy a full-size pickup with a V6. Isn't that what the Frontier/Tacoma/Colorado class is for? If I'm buying a full-size truck, I want to hear eight cylinders when I put my foot down. But that's just me. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the Chevy 6.2 V8 matches the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost in fuel economy...that's just crazy.

Kchrpm
February 17th, 2015, 10:28 AM
Hmmm, 2.7 liter V6 vs the 3.5 liter V6, can that really cause that huge of a weight difference? There must be something else going on.

TheBenior
February 17th, 2015, 10:55 AM
Personally, I would never buy a full-size pickup with a V6. Isn't that what the Frontier/Tacoma/Colorado class is for? If I'm buying a full-size truck, I want to hear eight cylinders when I put my foot down. But that's just me. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the Chevy 6.2 V8 matches the Ford 3.5 Ecoboost in fuel economy...that's just crazy.
A V6 Tacoma costs damn near as much or more as a V6 F-150, is only slightly quicker 0-60, less capable, and doesn't get any better of fuel economy. The same can be said of the Frontier.

In my experience with my Mazdaspeed3, V8 power equals V8 fuel economy.

Kchrpm
February 17th, 2015, 11:39 AM
It looks like the cheapest V6 Colorado you can get is $24,535 (18/26 city/hwy), vs $25,420 (16/24 city/hwy) for the cheapest F150, so that's probably consistent.

thesameguy
February 17th, 2015, 11:42 AM
Man, I clicked away... lost my words. :(

There isn't going to be much weight savings Ecoboost vs. GM V8. Once you factor in turbos and intercoolers, weight savings somewhat evaporate. IIRC, the Ecoboost 2.3l only weighs like 100lbs less than an LS2 - 350lbs vs 450lbs. The V6's weight advantage is probably negligible. This guy was comparing against a Dodge diesel, which is light for a diesel but probably still 200lbs heavier than an Ecoboost. That's a lot of weight off the front axle.

The reason I'd choose an Ecoboost would be for diesel-like torque without the fuel costs. Even though the 6.2l makes great torque and great power and gets great fuel economy, the Ecoboost makes more torque sooner. For hauling or towing, that's rad. Plus, you get the benefits of Cobb/Bama/whomever software upgrades for big boosts in power simply not available for naturally aspirated motors. I think the Ecoboost V6 makes 420 lb ft at 2200rpm. The 6.2l is only making about 350 lb ft there. V8s are great, but turbos > all.

As for overall weight, I'm pretty sure these manufacturers have weight targets for full size trucks. If they save 500lbs through aluminum bodies and engines, they'll gleefully add in 400lbs of sound deadening, safety equipment, and gizmos or just make the whole thing bigger to take up the excess. I don't think anyone ever bought a full size truck because it was the lightest in its class. People want FEATURES. :)

MR2 Fan
February 17th, 2015, 12:30 PM
Man, I clicked away... lost my words. :(

There isn't going to be much weight savings Ecoboost vs. GM V8. Once you factor in turbos and intercoolers, weight savings somewhat evaporate. IIRC, the Ecoboost 2.3l only weighs like 100lbs less than an LS2 - 350lbs vs 450lbs. The V6's weight advantage is probably negligible. This guy was comparing against a Dodge diesel, which is light for a diesel but probably still 200lbs heavier than an Ecoboost. That's a lot of weight off the front axle.

The reason I'd choose an Ecoboost would be for diesel-like torque without the fuel costs. Even though the 6.2l makes great torque and great power and gets great fuel economy, the Ecoboost makes more torque sooner. For hauling or towing, that's rad. Plus, you get the benefits of Cobb/Bama/whomever software upgrades for big boosts in power simply not available for naturally aspirated motors. I think the Ecoboost V6 makes 420 lb ft at 2200rpm. The 6.2l is only making about 350 lb ft there. V8s are great, but turbos < all.

As for overall weight, I'm pretty sure these manufacturers have weight targets for full size trucks. If they save 500lbs through aluminum bodies and engines, they'll gleefully add in 400lbs of sound deadening, safety equipment, and gizmos or just make the whole thing bigger to take up the excess. I don't think anyone ever bought a full size truck because it was the lightest in its class. People want FEATURES. :)

Are you saying there's.....replacement.....for.....displacement?

Kchrpm
February 17th, 2015, 12:34 PM
HERETIC!

speedpimp
February 17th, 2015, 03:06 PM
If you want a truck that gets REALLY good fuel mileage then look into the Ram Ecodiesel. Talked to an owner of one and he said it returned 27 mpg.

XHawkeye
February 17th, 2015, 08:27 PM
BMW is dead.

http://jalopnik.com/2016-bmw-2-series-gran-tourer-meet-bmws-new-mini-miniv-1685066959

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--3hoUrEB7--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j47jpqmy791zwdx8f10j.jpg

Rolls Royce is alive!!

Ferrari is the only major auto maker in the world that hasn't produced or announced an SUV, now that Rolls Royce has: http://bloom.bg/1CGcxZy

Godson
February 17th, 2015, 09:09 PM
Per the Ecoboost vs V8 debate.


I'd rather have the turbos. This is coming from the standpoint of driving both types of vehicles. The V8's "feel" quicker, but they are not. It is all from the point of linear power from the turbo design vs the V8 feel. After sitting in a Newer F150, I'd gladly take that over the Colorado/1500 side of things and not look back. The newer F150's I *think* are also smaller than the previous generation. I could be wrong, but the interior dimensions felt smaller, and in a good way.


Also, for the longest time, Ford had some of the heaviest trucks on the market...by a long shot.

pl8ster
February 18th, 2015, 05:09 AM
For my purposes, I'm not going to have any need to tow anything that's much beyond what I can tow with our CR-V, so to me, towing ratings and instant torque are not important. I like V8s, and I cannot lie. You other brothers can't deny.

thesameguy
February 18th, 2015, 09:31 AM
When you get that round thing in your face you'll get sprung.

http://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/Catalog%20Images/Turbochargers/GRT-CHRA97-5_450-1.jpg

Trust.

pl8ster
February 18th, 2015, 09:55 AM
I got nothing for that. Well played.

George
February 18th, 2015, 03:25 PM
The obvious Sir-Mix-A-Lot-approved solution to this rap battle is a...



...turbo Vette! :D

thesameguy
February 18th, 2015, 03:30 PM
See, even Mr. Ray knew the right answer.

Freude am Fahren
February 19th, 2015, 07:43 AM
Speaking of those trucks, anyone notice the new GMC Sierra ad is just talking about STEEL! IT'S USED IN SUBMARINES!

JoshInKC
April 18th, 2015, 07:09 AM
So my cousin has been talking about a new car, specifically a new Prius and whether she should be looking at actual new or very recent used. Because of this, I was looking at some Prii message boards and reddits to see if there was anything weird she should be aware of.
One of the big things that I've been seeing is "Coming soon - All New 2016 Prius!" and what features, etc it's going to have. One of the primary focuses of a lot of these posts is that the 2016 is probably going to be cheaper than the current gen without being de-contented. If that's the case, what's the likely impact on the market? Say the model line up ends up averaging $1000 cheaper than the current ones, will dealers immediately discount the old ones to bring prices into line? What would happen to the used market - will the current high resale values drop a ton?
Just seems like a weird situation.

MR2 Fan
April 18th, 2015, 07:12 AM
Ferrari Augmented Reality App

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5Wd8mvAgE&feature=youtu.be

neanderthal
April 18th, 2015, 10:15 AM
The EcoBoost V6 drinks mightily if you're towing, or going hard. The fuel savings just aren't there unless you're mostly commuting.

Josh. I'd hope they'd bring down the price to realign. That or 0% financing for the same price. Why sell an inferior, outdated product for more money? That's bizzaro World.

thesameguy
April 18th, 2015, 10:30 AM
Turbos don't make magic power - X power costs Y fuel and that's true whether it's a 1l or 8l or naturally aspirated or forced induction engine making the power. There are some minor gains that can be had from smaller cylinder volumes that result from better combustion control, but it's minute at best. The advantage of turbo motors is exactly as you state - fuel savings from an effectively smaller motor during cruise and power from an effectively larger motor when it's needed.

Alan P
April 19th, 2015, 04:17 PM
Using the OBC I can get Single digit MPG on my 1.8T on WOT. It's not surprising.

Yw-slayer
April 19th, 2015, 07:29 PM
Josh. I'd hope they'd bring down the price to realign. That or 0% financing for the same price. Why sell an inferior, outdated product for more money? That's bizzaro World.

I would think so. Surely they'd want to clear old inventory. But they might throw in more "extras" (some possibly useful, some less so) instead of bringing down the actual cash price.

JoshInKC
April 20th, 2015, 05:03 AM
That's kind of what I was thinking. I'll probably end up telling her to wait until the new ones come out if she ends up deciding that new is the way to go.

thesameguy
April 20th, 2015, 09:39 AM
Makes me wonder why they are cutting prices... maybe legitimate pressure from competition, or maybe to give room for FCVs to slot in?

JoshInKC
April 20th, 2015, 06:54 PM
I hadn't thought about it, but it might be the second. Or maybe they've amortized enough of the tech costs that they want to grab a bigger market share since sales have been dropping for awhile. Speculation seems to be that both the regular Prius and the C will be dropping, so they'll definitely have a slot at the bottom end of the hybrid/fuel efficient market if that's the case.

Who knows what evil works within the hearts of multinational conglomerates.... (reference for George's sake)

Godson
April 20th, 2015, 06:57 PM
I think the C-Max has been cutting into sales. Along with other hybrids.

TheBenior
April 20th, 2015, 07:07 PM
F-150 South Carolina Edition? The fuck?

Kchrpm
April 20th, 2015, 07:47 PM
I think there are lots of regional special editions like that.

neanderthal
April 20th, 2015, 11:03 PM
There was a time when the only hybrid game was the Toyota. Then everybody else jumped in. Now you have all these electric cars and stuff too.

I wondered why Fiat was jumping in with an electric 500 if they were making a loss on each one like Marchionne said, then I realised that each one offsets the carbon footprint/ CAFE of a pickup truck.
Twas a time when every green celebritwit drove a Prius. Now they drive Teslas.

I think Toyota is trying to maximise their brand (Prius) and maximise their return from their early investment. And put financial pressure on other automakers.

TheBenior
April 20th, 2015, 11:38 PM
It seems that Prius is indeed what most people think of when they hear 'hybrid.' IMO the US hybrid market is Toyota's to lose, so they're trying to keep it that way.

AFAIK, the Fiat 500e isn't due to CAFE, it's about meeting a CARB ZEV mandate for volume manufacturers to sell any vehicles in California, which is why they aren't available in most of the US.


I think there are lots of regional special editions like that.

FWIU, they're generally silly badges affixed to XLT with chrome package models.

JoshInKC
April 21st, 2015, 08:20 AM
Chevy makes a diesel Cruze? I parked next to one this morning, which I think is the first time I've become aware such a thing existed. Seemed pretty nice, & 46mpg highway in a mid sized sedan is cool.
Anyone know anything about them?

Kchrpm
April 21st, 2015, 09:47 AM
They have a buttload of torque. That's all I remember from the reviews I read when they came out.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review

thesameguy
April 21st, 2015, 10:44 AM
AFAIK, the Fiat 500e isn't due to CAFE, it's about meeting a CARB ZEV mandate for volume manufacturers to sell any vehicles in California, which is why they aren't available in most of the US.

Yep.

The 500 was a requirement by the Feds to allow the Fiat/Chrysler merger, and the 500e is Fiat meeting California ZEV requirements. I think there are a few other manufacturers begrudgingly doing this too, but Marchionne is the most vocal about how much he hates having to sell the 500 and the 500e. :lol:

JoshInKC
April 22nd, 2015, 06:29 AM
They have a buttload of torque. That's all I remember from the reviews I read when they came out.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review

Neat. The real questions they didn't address in the review are:
A.) Does it clatter?
B.) Will it Roll Coal?

Because that's what I'm looking for in a midsize sedan.

neanderthal
April 23rd, 2015, 09:55 AM
So, random car thought.

Looks like the new NSX is going to have 10 heat exchangers/ radiators. I get that the intercoolers are likely counted in the total. I think the number is even feasable and realistic (2 intercoolers, 2 engine coolers, transmission cooler, differential cooler, battery pack cooler, heater, AC, and one to make it a nice round figure!) but my query is really how does the plumbing work. Is there one massive water pump? Is there a single well where the coolant is piped and then distributed (like a dry sump engine) or is there some coolant distributor thing in what is otherwise a normal coolant circuit. Are there two water pumps?

etc

thesameguy
April 23rd, 2015, 01:52 PM
Not all of this stuff is a x:water, most of it (radiator, transmission, diff, AC) is x:air. Many systems - transmission, power steering, AC - are by their very nature a pump. Some things, like a diff cooler, would have it's own electric pump. Many modern cars incorporate at least one aux pump for the HVAC - a dedicated electric pump to get the heater core toasty faster. :)

thesameguy
June 2nd, 2015, 10:36 AM
Anyone know anything about Wranglers? Guy wants to trade me one for the Falcon, and while doing so doesn't get me cash and doesn't free up driveway it could be a fun diversion for a little while.

What he's got is a '97 (TJ) with the four cylinder and a 5-speed. I'd prefer the six, but meh, who really cares? Maybe there is some charm in owning some of the last AMC parts in production. ;) Looks pretty nice, but has 200k on it. I'm not sure if that's something to worry about or not.

I'm less worried about the financial wisdom of the deal and more worried about the mechanical wisdom. ;)

tigeraid
June 3rd, 2015, 09:54 AM
You can't kill 'em. And as long as you're not doing any huge offroad upgrades, the 4cyl's power is adequate with the 5 speed. If you decide to jack the thing up or put big mudders on it, that will get real slow, real quick.

Otherwise, You can't kill a TJ. Dead simple to work on, cheap parts.

JoshInKC
June 3rd, 2015, 10:41 AM
Also, there's an entire library's worth of reference materials for any possible repair / modification you could want to make.

George
June 3rd, 2015, 10:44 AM
If I had the tools, skills, and time that some of you guys do to work on cars, I'd do it.

Then there's this old saying: JEEP = Just Empty Every Pocket. I think I learned that while working in the service department of a Jeep dealership one summer during high school.

thesameguy
June 3rd, 2015, 01:52 PM
What I want is a car that requires no repairs or modification. :lol:

After a little probing, I got to:


The interior is fine it doesn't have carpeting because easier to wash out. The top brand-new it was stretched of the original frame last year and the seats are in good condition a little faded but there's no rips at all

Everything works there is no AC on the jeep it's a flop the window down and drive it!

I'll let you know right now that I have 194,000 miles on the engine, runs good

The only issue I see is the transmission shifts a little rough so I would think a rebuild kit on the transmission is necessary those run $165 on Amazon.com
And of course labor.

Still I think that this jeep is well worth an equivalent value as to how you described your car.
I've seen these jeeps go for quite a bit more when they are 9 of 10

I think in a vacuum the trade is fair, and might even be fair accounting for the potential needs of the Jeep. I'm just not sure I want a 200,000 mile old Chrysler product that might need a new transmission and/or whether such a vehicle with no carpet and no AC would end up being an albatross.

Looking around on CL, it *seems* this one is neither notably better or worse than others, and prices are all over the map. So, I just don't know. There is some benefit in just not having the Falcon around to worry about selling. However, historically these types of trades never work out for me. Heh.

I am going to try to get together with this guy over the weekend and check it out, save real judgments til I've seen it.

Edit: The comment about "quite a bit more" is in error. A six cylinder that's a 9 out of 10 might fetch a lot of money, but most all the four cylinders are lumped into a pretty narrow range. To that end, if it was a six cylinder I'd take on mechanical problems for sure. But a four cylinder doesn't have a high enough ceiling to cover potential repairs.

Random
June 3rd, 2015, 02:09 PM
Few hundred bucks for a carpet kit, looks like.

thesameguy
June 3rd, 2015, 02:29 PM
Yeah, nothing I've looked up is expensive - I always go through the list of "bad PO" parts - things like plugs, wires, filters, etc. This time I added carpet ($150-$400) and a transmission rebuild kit ($120-$250). It really seems like little can't be fixed for a couple hundred bucks which is good, but I'm not up for replacing a perfectly reliable vehicle like the Falcon (2015 operating costs = $0) for something that needs hundreds. Especially right now. Funds are committed elsewhere. ;)

Edit: I am having problems divorcing my "a Jeep would be good fun" side from the "bad use of money" side on this one.

Random
June 3rd, 2015, 02:56 PM
[not helping]You can drive with the doors off!![/nh]

:D

thesameguy
June 3rd, 2015, 03:02 PM
The problem with no doors is that it's much easier to get shot.

speedpimp
June 3rd, 2015, 03:03 PM
Sorry but a Falcon trumps a Wrangler.

thesameguy
June 3rd, 2015, 03:13 PM
Definitely, but the Falcon has to go regardless. I'm not going to put the money into the body and I've taken it as far mechanically as I'm realistically going to go. It's super cool to have, but after thinking about it for a long time it's just not a good enough fit for our lifestyle to hang on to it anymore. I'd like to either replace it with something older that I could take to Midnight Mass or something more practical (eg a wagon) that fulfills a more distinct place in the driveway. As is, it's kind of an in-betweener. In 2010 I'd planned to keep it for two years and move on, but I got invested and learned a lot. But I gotta cut the cord, come to terms at least a little better with the realities of my life. Same story as the diesel Suburban, really.

MR2 Fan
June 3rd, 2015, 03:23 PM
just saw an R32 skyline in the U.S. for the first time ever, drove by me.

Godson
June 3rd, 2015, 10:06 PM
Sell the falcon. Skip the wrangler. If it was a 6-cyl I'd be all for it. Take this advice from me with all of my shitty ideas.


I like the wrangler as an idea, but not in reality.

TheBenior
June 5th, 2015, 07:07 AM
Good thing I didn't get a motorcycle to meet women, as mine mostly seems to get attention from dudes and underage girls.

Kchrpm
June 5th, 2015, 09:26 AM
That's what my experience in the Corvette was as well.