The Doge Challenger Thread. Much power. Very purple. Wow.

[KillerB]

Link here (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1091520_2015-dodge-challenger-comes-in-eight-trim-levels-none-of-them-supercharged)

Interestingly, the SRT has not been unveiled yet, and the 392 Hemi (6.4L) is now available on the "regular" Challenger. This is, of course, to make space for the 6.2L supercharged "Hellcat" Hemi V8, rumored to be the most powerful engine ever offered in an American production car - certainly in a muscle car. Rumors have it at close to 700 hp.

I'm on the fence about the styling tweaks. The biggest change is the interior, which is all new.

Totally dig the SubLime!

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-dodge-challenger_100464363_l.jpg
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2015-dodge-challenger_100464337_l.jpg

[MR2 Fan]

Finally a decent interior!

[Godson]

Looks the same to me. :?

[KillerB]

You're probably thinking of the Charger. Here's the Challenger's old interior - as seen in mine:

439

The new interior looks nicer but I wish they'd have gone with more of a retro look, considering how retro the exterior is.

[TheBenior]

While I was at a Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge dealer recently, I was struck by how cheap the automatic shifter surround looked in the Challenger.

[Sad, little man]

Ummm, yeah, how is the outside different?



...Oh wait, there it is, they added a body crease!..... Maybe?..... What a disappointment.

[Jason]

I don't see much difference either...

But, I liked the way the previous generation looked, so I'm ok with it. :up:

[Jason]

Just saw the new Dodge Charger, and blech. :(

http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/4d9b86ea29e28f26013670562095d18a/200039436/slide_0003.png

Went from looking mean, to looking like a bigger Dodge Avenger. :( :(

[novicius]

:up: :up: to the new Challenger (although if I ever own one, it'll be the 1st gen).

:| to the new Charger. Bleh! Front end looks too much like the Neon and/or Dodge Journey. :smh: I'm not saying I'd never own one but it's a real kick in the nuts compared to the current beast, looks-wise.

[Freude am Fahren]

I like the design of the Challenger, except it looks like a 1.33:1 version of a cool car. Idk. The charger will never look good until they out that faux vent in a less awkward spot. Is too far aft and doesn't fit the lines of the car. Looks like it was slapped on by some pep boys reject.

[Mr Wonder]

That looks absolutely stunning. Now that the Camaro has been ruined with the 2014 update this is now the best looking of the Pony cars in my eyes.
I'll take the grey one in that blue with the cream interior please.

Charger designer's boss clearly only ever got shown the side, and rear three quarter shots before signing it off. Atrocious looking front end.

[novicius]

I will say that I'm not a fan of the "grin" coming from the lower vent opening on the new Challenger, but that's minor.

I hope the new interior and new ZF 8-speed backing the HEMI makes the sales leap off the page; it'll help to bring used 1st gen prices down. :D

[MR2 Fan]

new charger looks like an oversized dodge dart now

[KillerB]

Front and rear fascias are new - most obvious difference is in the taillights which now look like the 1972 model.

Considering how many compliments mine still gets, 3 years after I bought it and nearly 7 years after its introduction, not changing the exterior styling much is a no-brainer, IMO.

Moving the 392 down to the non-SRT cars should help it be more competitive in terms of horsepower per dollar with the Mustang and Camaro. The Hellcat V8 in the (still unannounced) SRT model should put it more in the realm of the Shelby GT500 and Camaro ZL1.

According to Allpar, quite a bit of the suspension that was steel is now aluminum and should save some weight.

It's still big and as such represents a different proposition than the Mustang and Camaro, IMO. It's more of a cut-rate BMW 6-series - a large, comfortable, but fast coupe. I think it's also the largest car you can buy these days with a manual transmission.

I can't hang with a 5.0 in the quarter mile. But I AM heading to Coachella tonight with three women who all are surprised at the space and comfort available in my Challenger for a 2 1/2 hour road trip - try that in a Mustang or Camaro!

The interior upgrades have me sorely tempted for the first time to trade in mine (make mine a Scat Pack in SubLime, please) but I probably will stay the course - at least until the Hellcat shows up. :D

[Freude am Fahren]

Scat Pack? I don't think I want to know.

[KillerB]

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/scat-pack.html

[thesameguy]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/9c/9c077be1c3749acc5e3a1f5e303d600bbb33fa5f648344919f 8d475b0fdd0deb.jpg

[KillerB]

:lol:

[Random]

Just saw the new Dodge Charger, and blech. :(

http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/4d9b86ea29e28f26013670562095d18a/200039436/slide_0003.png

Went from looking mean, to looking like a bigger Dodge Avenger. :( :(

I kinda prefer this version. The old Charger styling cues never seemed to work with the taller body on the new cars, IMO. They did a good job disguising the height on the Challenger, but seem to have mailed in design of the Charger to some degree.

[speedpimp]

The auto is now known as the Torqueflite.

[KillerB]

The Torqueflite 8, no less! I think the US automakers should start using more of these retro-future sounding names. GM should be talking up the Hydramatic, Autronic Eye, and other such nonsense! :D

Chrysler builds the 6-cylinder versions in-house, and ZF builds the ones for the V8s.

[speedpimp]

Which means the 6 cyl. versions are built at their plant in Kokomo(aka Stop Light City), Indiana.

[Phil_SS]

I love it. The subtle changes in the exterior with the shaker and the improved interior have put it over the top in the Pony car styling war. Huge thumbs up from me. :up:

[KillerB]

One thing I don't care for - they ditched the pistol-grip shifter on the manual versions.

When I first got mine, I thought my first mod would be a Hurst shifter with a cue-ball style knob. But after I got used to way I had to hold it (I tend to grab a manual shift knob from the top, though my RX-8 forced me into a sideways trip because of the odd shape of the knob) I loved it. It feels completely different than the various Mazdas and Hondas I've had, but not in a bad way. It reminds me of the weight in the controls of a Cessna or Piper, as compared to the similar feather-light touch of a Miata shifter, which felt much more like the Grumman Tiger I flew for a while. Both different, both enjoyable.

One of the things I did not like about the Mustang GT I test drove while I was waiting for a Boss to come in was the stubby shifter, which tried to marry a sports car style shifter with a muscle car transmission. It ended up with the worst of both worlds and it just didn't suit the car. Apparently since the MT-82 in the GT goes to pieces, I made the right choice, and honestly I'm glad I didn't spend the extra $12,000 or so the Boss would have cost me in real world to get a Tremec rather than the MT-82, though resale would be better than on my Challenger.

[KillerB]

http://www.allpar.com/photos/dodge/challenger-srt8/2015/2015-SRT.jpg

"Over 600 hp" 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat (http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015-SRT.html)

The cold air intake through the left front parking light is a nice touch. :D

[thesameguy]

A fair number of cars use that trick... eg 1993 Mercedes W124. :) I think my V70 did, too. Well, I guess they do it on the driver's side, but whatever.

[Freude am Fahren]

707hp in the Hellcat. Wow.

[KillerB]

Is it the most powerful car currently on sale? Maybe the Veyron is still being built.

[Phil_SS]

All the new hyper cars are in the 900HP range. Still, that is just ridiculous for a what will probably be a 60k car.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, the P1, LeFerrari, 918 all have 700+ from their ICE's, and ERS gets them up to the mid 900's. Hyuara has about 720hp. Agera has anywhere from 920 or so to like 1300 (!). Ferrari F12 has 730hp.

The cheapest of those cars is the F12, which is like what, $300k?

(looked it up, the 918 actually only gets about 600hp from the engine.)

[KillerB]

Someone had the same idea as me. SubLime exterior, Sepia SRT leather interior, and Brass Monkey wheels:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii305/brett248vista/hellcat/sublime2.jpg

I'm seriously considering going back to consulting just so it can buy this and a Cessna. ;)

[Godson]

That's hawt

[novicius]

Hawt as hell and waaay too rich for my blood. :up: #mustplaylottery

[Freude am Fahren]

http://jalopnik.com/the-707-hp-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-is-a-10-second-1603567665

11.2@125 1/4 mile on production tires.

10.86@126 on street-legal drag radials.

Impressive.

*according to Chrysler, but NHRA certified, whatever that means.

[The359]

http://youtu.be/sMVl7FIZkz4

[KillerB]

Gotta love the Carlisle shows. It's not usual for someone from the OEM to participate in the burnout contest, but it's awesome that Ralph Gilles did.

[novicius]

11.2@125 1/4 mile on production tires.

10.86@126 on street-legal drag radials.
Note that these times are with the new ZF-sourced 8-speed automatic. The six-speed manual will be, of course, a touch slower. :assclown:

[George]

Dang, was that all "real" tire smoke, or do guys still pour bleach on tires when they want to put on a show like that?

I'm remembering a guy in high school who had a '65 Chebby truck and he'd pour bleach on his rear tires before burning out of the parking lot and he'd leave a pretty awesome cloud.

[JoshInKC]

I was acquainted with a guy who rigged up a windshield washer reservoir and pump in his trunk with hoses and sprayers going to the fenderwells in his small-block '74(?) Vega for that purpose.
He was a complete D-bag.

[thesameguy]

A high school friend rigged his windshield washer reservoir and pump to spray gas in his carb so it would start when it was hot.

[KillerB]

No bleach allowed at the Carlisle shows when I was there.

[Freude am Fahren]

Bleach? :lol: Wouldn't want to be caught in that cloud.

[Godson]

Yeah, talk about messing up your lungs.

[novicius]

The 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat will be $59,995. (http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-pricing?src=soc_fcbks)


At just around $60,000, it's $2000 more than a 2014 Corvette Stingray Coupe 1LT Z51 (which also has 252 less horsepower, by the way), splits the difference between the 2014 Camaro ZL1 and Z/28 (at 580 hp and 505 hp, respectively), and a little less than $5000 more than the 662-hp Shelby GT500—which is maybe its closest competitor in terms of raw output. That's an interesting spread.

[MR2 Fan]

About $84 per horsepower

[Sad, little man]

Bleach? :lol: Wouldn't want to be caught in that cloud.
Hey, listen, I more or less grew up in that cloud at the Carlisle shows, and I'm just fine! *cough*

[MR2 Fan]

I wonder how long the list of factory production cars with over 700HP is

[novicius]

Longer than the list of factory production 10-second cars. :lol:

[21Kid]

About $84 per horsepower

With a free car included!!! :P

[KillerB]

Here come the reviews:

R&T (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-reviews/first-drives/2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-review-first-drive)
TTAC (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/review-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-6mt/)
Automobile (http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1407-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-review/)

[novicius]

One of the development targets was for the car to endure a 20-minute track session in 100-plus-degree heat without having to start pulling power from the engine.
Heh, well that's something at least. :D


Still, they closed the freaking road course after just ninety minutes so the journalists could line up and try their hand at quarter-miles. I didn’t bother to do that.
Stopped reading. This car is all about the quarter, big sway bars be damned!

[KillerB]

Some other journos got to drive the Hellcat on the street. Automobile magazine was one of them. TTAC gets the cold shoulder from a lot of OEMs, and not without reason.

[novicius]

I will be shocked if the Hellcat is faster than the ZL1 at the track -- I just don't think big power can beat better handling.

At the strip, it'll be Hellcat all the way of course.

[thesameguy]

Really depends on the venue, though, doesn't it? Big power won't help on technical courses, but surely can offset of a lot of bad qualities if there are simpler areas in which to make up time.

[KillerB]

Well, considering I'd run out of talent on a track long before just about any reasonably competent car would, it's largely irrelevant. It's heavy because it's full of so much win. :lol:

[novicius]

Yes, Dodge is Hellcatting the Charger. (http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/future-car-news/dodge-is-building-the-worlds-most-powerful-sedan-707-hp-charger-srt-hellcat?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1459_75874067)


The Hellcat-ization of the Charger is spelled out in the engine’s SAE J1349 certification filing. J1349 is a voluntary third-party-witnessed test that manufacturers can take part in, and it’s the only way to get an engine’s horsepower and torque numbers certified by the organization. Since Chrysler chose to list the Charger on the document, it means they’re interested in certifying the power output of that engine for that car.

The bottom line? Expect a 707-hp four-door with a Dodge badge. That will make it the most powerful sedan on sale, you know, ever. (Current not-very-close second? The 30-copy BMW M5 30 Jahre edition, which makes 600 hp.)
Babyseats optional. :cool:

[Kchrpm]

Giggity :up:

[KillerB]

I'd like to see a Chrysler 300 "letter series" with it, personally.

[Kchrpm]

Velvet Hammer :up:

[thesameguy]

Babyseats optional. :cool:

If I had such a car, I'd put a baby seat in it for sure. Just to mess with people.

[Yw-slayer]

Babyseats fit in the back of the BRZ. It'd be a DISGRACE if you couldn't put one in the back of a Charger.

[21Kid]

I had baby seats in my Impreza 2.5 RS. :D I got pulled over a few times for the way my car looks and every time they did a double take in the back seat. :lol:

FYI. Kids love fast acceleration. :rawk:

[novicius]

2015 Charger Neonface. :|

749

2015 Charger Hellcat :mad:

750

:up: :up:

[thesameguy]

It's really more Dartface than Neonface, no?

[novicius]

Well... yes. :| #brainfart

[thesameguy]

I think I like it in both configurations, although TBH the Hellcat version has Cylonface - which may not be a bad thing.

Glad to see Chrysler return to their really solid, pre-Benz, styling.

[MR2 Fan]

Charger Hellcat: I like it...a lot

[21Kid]

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/dodge-charger-police-car-2014-08-11

[KillerB]

Lack of a manual transmission makes me sad, but I know I'm tilting at windmills when BMW is dropping the manual option in many of their cars.

I will probably own a new Miata at some point, when it's the only car you can still buy with stick. :sadbanana:

[SkylineObsession]

I'm still pissed that they added two more doors to the Charger. It should look like this;

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/04/07/14/35/1968_dodge_charger-pic-60365.jpeg

They're just using the Charger name to boost sales of their slow selling four doors, by renaming one of those four doors. Not that they'd tell you that.

[thesameguy]

Nine years is a long time to stay pissed at the name of a car.

[TheBenior]

They're just using the Charger name to boost sales of their slow selling four doors, by renaming one of those four doors. Not that they'd tell you that.

Probably because it would really be stretching the definition of "renaming?" What were they renaming, some sort of Frankenstein W220 S-Class/W211 E-Class?

I initially really thought it should've been a two-door, but then I thought about it some more and was just glad that it wasn't related to the Omni.

[JoshInKC]

Yeah, I believe the closest thing to a "slow selling four door" that they renamed was the 300. Which, as you might recall - Was selling like hotcakes circa '04-'05.

[2ndMoparMan]

No idea why it would've been. That gen of 300 is damn near as ugly as the Pontiac Astek.

[JoshInKC]

My theory was that it came down to it not being a super-streamlined looking "bubble." It was very distinct-looking for a new car at the time.
Also, it was a V8/rwd. Therefore, its only non-luxury competition was the positively ancient Crown Vic.

[Random]

:?

I thought the 1st gen 300 looked pretty nice. Huh. It was certainly a big improvement over the bland 300M.

[KillerB]

Yeah I liked the first gen 300 too. In 300C trim it had the gunsight headlights, and the optional tortoiseshell trim was neat.

[thesameguy]

IMO, both the Magnum and the 300C were so contrary to every other domestic all sins were forgiven. I remember test driving one of the first Magnum RTs in Sacramento and thinking that while it had a large number of shortcomings, it was still an ultimate win. I liked the way they both looked, and the first Charger as well. Yeah, room for improvement, but still not a bad effort by any stretch.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, the 300C was one of those, "wow that is pretty cool, and original looking" cars that quickly became the trend, and very common, when you see them now, they're kinda meh.

Although, one of my most memorable scenes from Breaking Bad was the one when he and junior brought home the SRT's :lol: Product placement be damned.

[The359]

I thought both the 300M and 300C were great looking cars in their own ways. The 300M didnt have that retro look like the LHS and Concorde.

[Rikadyn]

IMO, both the Magnum and the 300C were so contrary to every other domestic all sins were forgiven. I remember test driving one of the first Magnum RTs in Sacramento and thinking that while it had a large number of shortcomings, it was still an ultimate win. I liked the way they both looked, and the first Charger as well. Yeah, room for improvement, but still not a bad effort by any stretch.

i still want a magnum

[MR2 Fan]

I want a Magnum hellcat

[Leon]

I want Magnum PI's Ferrari.

[Freude am Fahren]

Oh hell yes. A Charger Hellcat based wagon would be the ultimate family/toys car.

[novicius]

I'm still pissed that they added two more doors to the Charger. It should look like this;

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/04/07/14/35/1968_dodge_charger-pic-60365.jpeg

They're just using the Charger name to boost sales of their slow selling four doors, by renaming one of those four doors. Not that they'd tell you that.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously Skyline, if that's all you think of when you think of the word "Charger", you need to educate yourself. :smh:

EDIT: Looking at the specs of the '68-'70 "Coke-bottle" Charger R/T's with the 440 Six Pack, they're pretty comparable to the 2015 Challenger R/T's with the 5.7L HEMI. The biggest difference is in curb weight.




'68-'70 Charger R/T
2015 Challenger R/T


Horsepower
375 HP (Gross)
375 HP (Net)


Length
208 in.
198 in.


Width
77 in.
76 in.


Curb Weight
3,650 lbs.
4,082 lbs.



The majority of '68-'70 "Coke-bottle" Charger R/T's, whether they came with 440 Six Packs or Hemi 426's, were sold with automatic transmissions, too -- just like today's Challengers. :D

Bottom line, if you want a two-door V8-powered Dodge coupe, buy the Challenger. If you want a Coke-bottle Charger? Buy an old one. (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/dodge/charger_r_t/1668767.html) They will both cost $30k USD.

[SkylineObsession]

I know there are lots of different Chargers, but everytime i hear the name, the mental image of the front of the car as i posted above, comes up.

And i wasn't being too serious when i said it's just Dodge renaming a slow selling four door, mainly because i can't think of many other four doors they do that could fit the bill, let alone the fact i know nothing about their sales figures. I just said it for sakes sake.

Also, i'll forever be pissed at the renaming of a cool car into a shitty four door version. Just like how BMW have screwed with the M3 and called it the M4 just so they can add a four door version. Or how Nissan dropped the Skyline name from the R35 GT-R and up-specced it to compete with Gallardos, 911 Turbos, F430's etc and then claim it isn't a Skyline anymore. Crock of sh1t it isn't, i'd believe it if it didn't share so many similarities with the previous Skyline GT-R's. If they really wanted to have a competitive car they should have removed all visual references to the Skylines and gone that way.

Sorry, but these sort of things make a shittonne of sense to auto makers ($$$$$$$) but to fans like me thats how we see it too ($$$$). Piggy backing a well known name to generate sales.

Haven't got time/can't be bothered wording all this better, but thats just my opinion on this sort of thing.

[novicius]

So a throwaway comment, got it. :up:

[thesameguy]

After these, I don't see how any automaker could even approach the threshold of jacked up name revival.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/01/13/23/05/1999_chevrolet_malibu_4_dr_ls_sedan-pic-15515.jpeg

[TheBenior]

Well, that came after this:

764

[thesameguy]

Fuuuuuuuuuu

I forgot about that. Ugh.

[SkylineObsession]

So a throwaway comment, got it. :up:

:|

I said that last line in case people starting picking holes in my message. Throwaway it is not. Come on Novi, it's like you're taking this as a personal insult.

[novicius]

I'm just irritated seeing people complain about it being a four-door. It's a HEMI V8 in the 21st Century, now with 707 HP. Get over it.

[thesameguy]

Glad that's behind us.

What irritates me is that Chrysler reused the C after the resuming with the M. That's messed up.

[Godson]

The c and the M though were different designations weren't they? C waas for HEMI V8 only.

[thesameguy]

The '55 through '65 Chrysler 300 were given increasing letter designations, beginning with the B in '56. In '65 they ended with L. Then in '99 revived the tradition with the 300M, but carried that name for years. In 2005 they inexplicably went back to 300C - inexplicably only insofar at it wasn't the 300N nor just the 300. Of course the '57 300C is generally considered the best Chrysler letter car. Now they're suggesting the "C" means hemi, but in reality they're messing up a perfectly good designation system on par with BMW's inexplicable 2.3l powered 325i. Fail.

(And, yeah, Chrysler also had the '70 and '79 300s, but they didn't invoke the letters, so they get a pass.)

I've always liked the '60 300F, although it's generally not loved. But it was the first year of the crossram wedge 413, and that motor looks badass under the hood.

http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/define-1960-chrysler-300f-4.jpg

Also, I think '60 was the only year that offered a 4-speed manual.

[JoshInKC]

There was also the out of sequence '69 or '70 300Hurst - Sort of.

Which are decent looking cars - the two tone off-white/buckskin (or whatever they called the colors) looked really good on the fuselage styled cars.

[pl8ster]

The giant pseudo-performance cars like the 300 Hurst and the Marauder X-100 have always fascinated me. They seem totally ridiculous, but I love that they even existed.

[JoshInKC]

Yeah, I'm a big fan of that concept - I think it's the same reason I like the AMG S-Classes.

[novicius]

C waas for HEMI V8 only.
Actually, older Hemis are spelled "Hemi". The new "5.7L HEMI® V8 (http://www.dodge.com/en/challenger/performance/)" and it's derivatives are generally referred to in print in all uppercase letters and is trademarked as such. #pedant

[TheBenior]

GODDAMMIT CARLO JUST BUY AN LX PLATFORM ALREADY!









;)

[novicius]

Would that I could, brother, would that I could... :D

[Kchrpm]

Lies, you'd just buy more motorcycle stuff.

[novicius]

Can't justify a big vehicle that can't tow (look up the tow ratings of HEMI Charger R/T). :|

[TheBenior]

Dodge's tow ratings are just an arbitrary 1,000lbs for all of their cars, whether a 2.0 Dart or a Hemi Charger. Then there's some "Towing Not Recommended" vehicles, perhaps because something would get in the way of mounting a hitch.

Across the pond, the diesel (only engine available) 300C is rated for 1996kg braked 450kg unbraked trailers, and I'm pretty sure the unibody is more of a limiting factor than the engine.

It seems like the American branches of automakers just set arbitrary tow limits of 1-2000lbs for all their cars because they feel that we can't be trusted to tow with anything other than a pick-up or SUV.

[novicius]

Yes -- and also to void warranties. Which is a pretty big deterrent to me if I'm buying a new car.

[thesameguy]

On some forum I am or was on someone had a really sound explanation for the arbitrary tow limits set on most cars sold in America. I can't for the life of me remember what it was at the moment.

[TheBenior]

The US has the highest proportion of lawyers to people in the world combined with the some of the laxest licensing standards in the First World.

Also, FWIU, European countries generally limit towing vehicles to 90km/h or less, small trailer brakes are more common there, and I've heard that European trailers place a lower percentage of weight on the tongue.

[Kchrpm]

My guess is the explanation had something to do with mountains.

[21Kid]

On some forum I am or was on someone had a really sound explanation for the arbitrary tow limits set on most cars sold in America. I can't for the life of me remember what it was at the moment.
Awesome!


:finger:

[Random]

Also, FWIU, European countries generally limit towing vehicles to 90km/h or less, small trailer brakes are more common there, and I've heard that European trailers place a lower percentage of weight on the tongue.

10% tongue weight is typical.


My guess is the explanation had something to do with mountains.

No mountains in Yerp, no sirree. *cough* ;)

[Kchrpm]

I never said it was a VALID explanation :D

[novicius]

New Hellcat owner clicks off 11.15.xxx on DR's and with traction control on. :up:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPmn7otICM

[novicius]

Also for comparison, an experienced driver at the ChallengerTalk.com forums (http://www.challengertalk.com/forums/f100/2015-scat-pack-6-speed-1-4-mile-times-319418/) ran a 2015 SRT-8 392/M6 car:


12.601 @ 110.73mph
1.985 60ft time
approx 600-650 DA

275 width street tires on all 4 corners.
I'm pro-automatic, everyone knows I'm pro-automatic -- and yet that time still beats the automatic, FWIW. :angry::lol: :up:

[Random]

Might want to try not red-lighting, as well. ;)

[Random]

In other news...Challenger TA2 car:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/upsrt4.jpg

Why can't the NASCAR bodies look like that? *grumble*

More on the TA2 class and car: http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/features/dodge-challenger-srt-ta2/

[novicius]

Yep, I've been following the Trans Am series for the past year -- the only question I have is what mill are they running? LS3? :smh:

[Random]

"The works Challenger uses a new TA2 specific aluminum Hemi."

[novicius]

Good! :up: :up:

When they were first announced, there was no mention of the HEMI that I found. Nor did the TA2 page mention the HEMI as an engine option. That team formerly ran Camaros & LS3's, I believe.

[Kchrpm]

Why can't the NASCAR bodies look like that? *grumble*[/URL]
Aero bitching?

[thesameguy]

Why can't the NASCAR bodies look like that? *grumble*

They don't crash as well?

[thesameguy]

Lacking any better place to put this:

1031

Latrobe Road comprises many sections, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about this area:

https://goo.gl/maps/tKJgM

Like Damien mentions in the post, the pavement is very bad and there are some unexpected twists and turns. He and I used to barrel down that road at very unwise speeds. But we didn't have 700hp.

[KillerB]

I still want one, but then I also want an Alfa 4C or an ND Miata and I can't have all of them.

35th birthday is next March, and my R/T was my 30th birthday present. :D Gotta figure that, by then, crazy dealer markup will be dead and gone on any of those choices. Plus maybe by then they'll do the Hellcat in Hemi Orange...

[Godson]

After seeing the 4C in the flesh, I was very disappointed. I'd rather have the Elise.

[Sad, little man]

Not that I would ever buy a coupe version of a car when there is a convertible available, but the 4C 'vert appears to have a huge amount of junk in the trunk, and not in the sexy way that an MR car should.

[novicius]

2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon Reportedly Offers 1,023 HP In Power Mode 3 (https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-dodge-challenger-srt-demon-reportedly-offers-1023-hp-in-power-mode-3-116811.html)

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2334&stc=1


More to the point, a reported output of 1,023 ponies in the SRT Demon’s so-called Power Mode 3. It’s not known from where the Midwest’s largest Mopar event got this number, but the truth of the matter is, Dodge has yet to confirm if the intel is correct. On that note, take the present report with a bit of salt. Having said that, LX & Beyond Nationals tease us with three figures.
First things first, 757 horsepower in Power Mode 1. That’s something to be expected based on a certain video teaser for the Demon. If my intuition is correct, the blown HEMI V8 churns out those ponies in its regular operating mode, running on 91-octane premium.

Then there’s Power Mode 2, which ups the ante to 815 horsepower. This output is also the subject of a teaser, but it’s a mystery what sort of powertrain changes the car operates in this mode.

Last, but certainly not least, the Demon’s Power Mode 3 unleashes the full potential of the world’s most powerful muscle car. 1,023 HP, to be more precise. According to the Facebook post attached at the end of this story, the third and ultimate mode requires three things: 100-octane or better racing fuel, the Demon Crate-bundled PCM (the crate costs a purported $3k), and Drag Mode. The latter enables higher RPM and broader power delivery.
There it is. :cool: #fourdigitpower

[Freude am Fahren]

Think of all the bent rods from people hitting mode 3 on 87...

:lol:

[thesameguy]

I would be shocked if it doesn't have an actual octane sensor!

[Jason]

I don't know anything about cars, but my FiST has different power output depending on the octane, why wouldn't something this fancy have similar?

[novicius]

The wheel arches don't bug me as much in red as they do in silver. :up:

Tho' that car is criminally understated. :smh: At least throw on some High Impact paint!

[speedpimp]

The fact that they used the AC compressor for performance is interesting.

[MR2 Fan]

So it might finally beat a Tesla? :p

[thesameguy]

Guessing it's like Ford's SuperCooler.

[novicius]

http://killerchiller.com/

[Sad, little man]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2486943066/fa8pqlx3xro44nnaxnuv_400x400.jpeg

[KillerB]

808 hp on pump gas, 840 hp on 100 octane unleaded. 0-60 in 2.3s. 1/4 mile in 9.650 seconds at over 140 mph. (http://www.hotrod.com/articles/every-detail-9-second-dodge-srt-demon/)

https://i0.wp.com/www.allpar.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DG018_130CLgtqm46n89ljrl6nug4ebog7a2r.jpg

First production car to pull a wheelie.

[Dicknose]

Too much power is never enough!

[Dicknose]

One wheel up is not a wheelie, it's lifting a leg.

[Drachen596]

Both fronts look to be off the ground to me.

And they for sure are in other photos with skinny drag tires up front.

[novicius]

That looks like both wheels up to me, DN.



Improving on the Hellcat is a first-ever production car Power Chiller liquid-to-air intercooler chiller system and After-Run Chiller that keeps cooling the supercharger after the engine is shut off. Buyers who opt for the Demon Crate (more on this later) get a specially tuned PCM allowing the Demon to run on 100-plus high-octane unleaded fuel or 91 octane on demand. Power surges to 840 HP and 770 lb-ft on the race tune and Demon now comes with two dual-stage fuel pumps to support that.
Damn! I was really hoping that that FB "leak" was genuine. :D Was hoping for the first production 1,000 HP non-industrial car.

Ah well, this'll do. ;)



All of the Demon’s 808 HP and 717 lb-ft of torque is legal in all 50 states. There will be plenty of them to go around too (production begins late this summer) as Dodge will be building 3,000 of them for the United States and 300 for Canada. Dodge states the Demon’s 0-60mph performance as 2.3 seconds.
Still slower than a Tesla. (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2017/2017-tesla-model-s-p100d-first-test-review/) :lol:

[XHawkeye]

If Dodge really wanted to make a Challenger that shocks us they could have just redesigned it.

@Zoomy575M (https://twitter.com/Zoomy575M/status/851962786003505153)

[novicius]

That guy must not know who Sergio Marchionne is. He makes a decision at breakfast and changes it by lunch! :lol:

First the new Charger must debut THEN a new Challenger can bow after that. Initial reviews of the new Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio are certainly hopeful. It'll be interesting if they just slap a "Dodge" nose on it or actually engineer a new car.

[balki]

Still slower than a Tesla. (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-s/2017/2017-tesla-model-s-p100d-first-test-review/) :lol:
It'll win on the ET and trap speed, plus the repeat runs results and MSRP will also favor the Mopar.
Don't think you'll beat 2.23sec 0-60 on non-drag radials in a FR production car (guess they would have had to flare the fenders too far to get 335-355 rears, the current 315s don't seem extreme enough)
I know this is a very specific car, but the non-Ludicrous 90D and 100D with AWD do 0-60 in 4.2sec

Curious what a side-by-side comparison would come out to (closer 0-60, or > .07sec difference)


Regardless, :up: to Tesla, :up: to Dodge

[novicius]

:lol:

A.) If you're doing stoplight drags (as are most common), doubtful you'd even hit 60+ MPH before you shut it down.

2.) All the rest of it is shit you yell out the window as you do your Ricer Fly-by past the winning Tesla driver.

d.) It's not always about numbers. :)

[balki]

It is if you live you life one quarter mile at a time!

[Drachen596]

Of course he does. He owns a Mustang. Thats about as far as they'll go before needing to feed on the crowd nearby.

[MR2 Fan]

Of course he does. He owns a Mustang. Thats about as far as they'll go before needing to feed on the crowd nearby.

accurate

[novicius]

:lol:

I keep her on a short leash, no worries. ;)

[novicius]

This Is a Widebody, Non-Demon, Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat
(http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33436/widebody-dodge-challenger-hellcat/)
TSG's AWD Hellcat spotted?

[thesameguy]

Whoa.

That'd be one hell of a stoplight dragster!

[dodint]

Carlo has been bullying me lately.

I'm thinking about trading the E60 on this and giving the wife the MINI: http://www.southparkmitsubishi.com/used/Dodge/2011-Dodge-Challenger-425035690a0e0aea7ed8e0357048f9d3.htm

It's not the 6.4L I really would've liked but it ticks a ton of other boxes. Thoughts?

I'm shifting from "gee that would be fun to own" to "if I find one I like I'll buy it."

Trying to keep it under $20k, though. This isn't a dream car or anything, just a short commute DD car that makes me smile when I look at it.

[thesameguy]

I personally felt guilty about firing up the CTSV just to drive a couple miles to work, but it was nice having a big four-door when folks needed to go somewhere. As such, I don't much care for the Challenger. It's cool, no doubt, but it's cool from afar and not something I'd want around. Plus I have inherent distrust for Chrysler products. I might go in for a Charger SRT because it at least offers 4-door practicality to go with the nutty motor, but not a Challenger.

If you're interested in this general type of product, I think you should go find a Panther Marauder to match the SVT.

[dodint]

https://www.browndaubdcjr.com/vehicle-details/used-2009-dodge-challenger-srt8-rwd-2B3LJ74W29H525508

This is the other viable candidate.

[novicius]

Carlo has been bullying me lately.
Dafuq?? :lol:

SRT8>R/T for the same miles & money. Good luck!


EDIT: Oh wait, is that SRT8 the one that's five hours away from you? Yeah fuck that thing. :lol:

[KillerB]

I haven't had any issues with my Challenger, aside from a hood seal that ripped and was replaced under warranty. The distrust of Chrysler products shouldn't extend to the LX/LC cars, IMO.

The red one is missing the rear lip spoiler. I've never seen an R/T without one. That leads me to believe it's been hit.

I'd go with the SRT, even the 425 hp 6.1L one, if you're going to get an automatic.

[dodint]

Carfax, which is worth the paper it's printed on and not much else, has never registered an accident for it which is something. It does have two open recalls though as confirmed on Mopar.com, one of which is an airbag issue and the other is mechanical (THE ENGINE TIMING CHAIN, TIMING CHAIN TENSIONER AND TIMING CHAIN GUIDE MUST BE REPLACED.) That's not very promising in terms of gauging the quality of prior ownership. Also, the build sheet tool at https://www.dodge.com/webselfservice/dodge/index.html is down, of course, so I can't see if the spoiler delete was on purpose or not.
The SRT-8 recalls are all performed.

The color is the only reason I'm not into the SRT8, and the mileage is a little higher but not out of line for the age. The paint and trim just looks tired, can't tell if it's just water spots from them washing it or if it has been ridden hard and put away wet for 57k miles.

I'm not worried about build quality. I think either of these cars will be less fussy than the E60 we're trading in.

[novicius]

I'm pretty confident that I recall seeing 'spoiler delete' as an option on early cars at least, if not now Joe. :up:

Looks-wise, I like the R/T over the SRT8 but, well, bad taste and all. :D

[dodint]

irt: spoiler delete

The one thing that bugs me about that (other than the look) is that the ad specifically says spoiler. Just don't know where that data was populated from.

[thesameguy]

The distrust of Chrysler products shouldn't extend to the LX/LC cars, IMO.

If any ChryCo products were to get a pass, they would for sure. But....

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/shall-not-pass.gif

[Godson]

Viper gets a pass.....

[thesameguy]

Solid point. The Viper definitely gets a pass.

[dodint]

No go on either. The R/T wasn't very good even for an R/T, and the SRT8 wasn't workable in terms of an agreement. They refused to budge on their advertised online price because 'that's just a number we use to get people in the door' and they offered us 30% of NADA trade in for the E60 ($2k). Ad price was $21.9k, they wanted $26.9k @ 8.9% for 75 (wtf?) months, or $450/mo. :lol:

I already have my own financing lined up but let them run the numbers to see if they could do any magic with their kickback. That's what they offered.

[Godson]

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

[novicius]

Is the E60 throwing codes or driving rough?

[dodint]

The accident from 2015 was the reason they stated. I had completely forgotten about it because it was basically cosmetic/body.

[Freude am Fahren]

Same thing when I turned in my E38. They wouldn't budge because of an accident that was only cosmetic, and there were no traces of. I managed to get $2k for that as well. My dad had an accident free two year newer model (same 740i Sport), with some extra stuff (tint, winter package), and only got $1.5k about a year later.

I wish I had just kept it.

[dodint]

I understand their reasoning and now I know, no big deal.

That Challenger was actually a real great example. I wouldn't have had any reservation about buying it. Despite spending its life in DE/NJ/PA it didn't have a speck of rust on it anywhere. Drove straight, had buckets of power, and was comfortable to drive despite all of that power.

The 20" wheels are kind of lame since the brakes fit fine in 18" wheels, no real purpose for them. And that's a design issue anyway.

I just couldn't bring myself to pay $24k+ for a 8 year old Dodge with nearly 60k miles on it. If it's still there leading up to the 4th of July I'll call them and make another offer, but I highly doubt it because that car is the least expensive SRT8 within 300 miles in that kind of condition.

Now I'm looking at E46 M3s and E63s.

[thesameguy]

Ad price was $21.9k, they wanted $26.9k @ 8.9% for 75 (wtf?) months, or $450/mo. :lol:

They were seriously refusing to offer the advertised price? That is incredibly illegal. I would call various departments and bureaus just to harass them!

[KillerB]

Seriously, I can't believe they said that.

[Jason]

The accident from 2015 was the reason they stated. I had completely forgotten about it because it was basically cosmetic/body.

I hate that my car is effectively worthless now because a deer ran into my quarter panel. Even if it drives great, looks great, etc. :|

[thesameguy]

It's only worthless from a dealership's perspective - because Carfax has done such a great job marketing dealers are downright punitive with anything that won't pass the various popular Carfax certifications. That's not generally a problem with private sales - you will take some hit, and that's fair since a repaired vehicle is academically inferior to an original vehicle, but it's not the same penalty as you'd get trying to trade it in. Carfax is right up there with "global warming" in terms of mass scams that paid off.

[dodint]

Since any 120k mile 9 year old BMW is probably headed straight to the auction I'm curious what affect, if any, CarFax has there.

[Godson]

As long as it doesn't have a salvage, I wouldn't worry about it.

[thesameguy]

Since any 120k mile 9 year old BMW is probably headed straight to the auction I'm curious what affect, if any, CarFax has there.

IRL? Probably none. But the dealership will definitely use any Carfax dings they can to trick you into accepting far, far less than the car is worth, even at auction.

[novicius]

Dodge Demon priced at $84,995, or almost 20 grand more than a Hellcat (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/05/23/2018-dodge-demon-price-84995/?google_editors_picks=true)


Demon crate, front passenger seat, trunk carpet all $1 each.
:lol: :up:

[thesameguy]

That's awesome. Be interesting to see what people & places end up with those cars.

[speedpimp]

And how long until the crate ends up on eBay?

[Freude am Fahren]

Dodge Demon priced at $84,995, or almost 20 grand more than a Hellcat (http://www.autoblog.com/2017/05/23/2018-dodge-demon-price-84995/?google_editors_picks=true)

...Demon crate, front passenger seat, trunk carpet all $1 each....

:lol: :up:

And a sunroof is $4,995 :lol:

[speedpimp]

Before you place an order for a Demon you have to sign all of these forms in front of a notary. (http://autoweek.com/article/supercars/dodge-please-dont-install-seats-your-demon?utm_source=DailyDrive20170623&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive)

[thesameguy]

:lol:

Bring on the lawsuits.

[Kchrpm]

Hellcat too tough to control? Get the widebody version!

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/06/27/2018-dodge-challenger-hellcat-widebody-wider-grippier-faster/

Demon bodywork and tires, Hellcat engine.

http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/6410a4b5f214bc4c402fe2ee69dc4d16/205419706/DG018_185CL.jpg

[thesameguy]

That's pretty rad... not a car I would ever own, but it sure does look the business!

[speedpimp]

How long until Widebody V6s become a thing?

[KillerB]

Now THAT's what I've been waiting for.

[George]

No. THIS is what you (all) have been waiting for.

https://i.redd.it/hjryeyho7rhz.jpg

[2ndMoparMan]

No. Just no.

[dodint]

It looks like the fat drunk uncle of the original.

[Phil_SS]

Hideous!

[George]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6f/b0/22/6fb022151c5d7a31fcb7b836877c3f68--school-looks-plymouth-superbird.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/IB9foBA4PVkKA/giphy.gif

[thesameguy]

People need to check themselves before they wreck themselves.

[George]

:sadbanana:

[George]

How about this, then? :lol:

http://www.transamflorida.com/hurst%2014.jpg

I'll show myself out...

[dodint]

I roasted that thing when it was released. :lol:

[balki]

Does the Camaro come with t-tops?

[MR2 Fan]

the superbird needs a longer front nose section...other than that I think it looks ok

[2ndMoparMan]

Second one isn't quite as bad.....but it still doesn't look quite right, even in the correct color.