FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2014

[FaultyMario]

Dab of oppo:
659
New sailboat?
660


New Wallpaper?
Kimmi Räikkönen on maailman kuningas! (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ferr-raik-rbring-2014-1.jpg)


Timesheets:



Pos. No. Driver Car Best lap Gap Laps
1 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’09.542 50
2 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’09.919 0.377 37
3 14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’10.470 0.928 40
4 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1’10.519 0.977 44
5 19 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1’10.521 0.979 39
6 1 S. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’10.807 1.265 39
7 22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’10.813 1.271 44
8 3 D. Ricciardo Red Bull-Renault 1’10.920 1.378 36
9 20 K. Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1’10.936 1.394 45
10 25 J. E. Vergne Toro Rosso-Renault 1’10.972 1.430 39
11 7 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1’10.974 1.432 45
12 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso-Renault 1’11.261 1.719 45
13 11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1’11.296 1.754 36
14 21 E. Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1’11.491 1.949 42
15 13 P. Maldonado Lotus-Renault 1’11.765 2.223 30
16 99 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1’11.806 2.264 42
17 27 N. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1’11.935 2.393 39
18 4 Max Chilton Marussia-Ferrari 1’12.229 2.687 43
19 8 R. Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1’12.262 2.720 46
20 17 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Ferrari 1’12.279 2.737 36
21 10 K. Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 1’12.937 3.395 24
22 9 M. Ericsson Caterham-Renault 1’13.596 4.054 48

[Freude am Fahren]

I for one am really glad this track is back. Beautiful country. Kinda has the scenic charm of Spa, though not the lines, obviously. Still more of an "Old school" type track than the Tylkedromes out there now. 9 fackin' turns is plenty! I hope it produces some good racing (I can't remember how it was back when).

[MR2 Fan]

So Caterham is racing, but for how long? are the rumors of them folding soon true?

[Reynard]

Come on. You all know Kimi will be in line for his first win since returning to Ferrari but will have to pull aside for Fernando on the last lap. :assclown:

[Blerpa]

I always loved this track... always felt a bit like it a was a mix of "old school" balls-to-the-walls Silverstone (pre-1968) and the mad altitude changes of places like Mosport or Road Atlanta. Thumbs up!

[Random]

The old, fast version was fun in GPL and GT2k3. <-- my only contribution. :lol:

[FaultyMario]

Massa
Bottas [shoulda bin him, put a wheel on the grass during his final attempt]
Rosberg
Alonso
Dan
Magnussen
Kvyat
Kimi
Lewis [didn't set a time, massive cockup lost the rear end on entry to T8]
Hulk [time disallowed]
Jens, Seb, Maldo, Jev, Nutcase, Perez, Sutil, Gutierrez, Bianchi, Kob, Ericsson, Chilton

[Random]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwhn4TgJOQg

Gerhardt Berger and Vettel trade cars at the RB-Ring.

[overpowered]

Steve Matchett and David Hobbes seemed to think that Williams blew it by leaving their cars out too long on the first stint. Agree/disagree?

[Blerpa]

They had no chance in hell to win this, neither Bottas nor Massa. That's the cruel truth.

[Freude am Fahren]

I somewhat agree/somewhat disagree. Had they brought them in a lap earlier, they would be in slightly better position. But that's a hindsight is 20/20 thing. If Bottas could hold up Rosberg for an extra lap, they would have been fine.

In the end though I don't think it would have made a difference in the final standings.

[IMOA]

They had no chance in hell to win this, neither Bottas nor Massa. That's the cruel truth.

Yep. I was a bit 'wtf' at first but thinking about it they really weren't going to beat the mercs in the race as they were only competitive on the super softs so they ran a strategy to get them a podium and a bundle of points. They've thrown away a lot points this year so now they need to be banking them.

[Godson]

Yeah, they would never have beat the mercs.


Vettel's luck seems to be going full circle.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If Alonso were driving the Williams, perhaps that'd increase the chance a bit?

[Blerpa]

If Alonso were driving the Williams, perhaps that'd increase the chance a bit?

Uhm... no.

[FaultyMario]

Agreed.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If Senna were driving, would that increase their chance? ;)

Anyway, I suspect if Massa were driving for Ferrari, he'd probably be about where Kimi is... most likely worse. Alonso finished almost 30s ahead of Kimi. So I think it's 'possible' that Alonso could finish roughly 30s ahead of Massa in a Williams as well... and that should be enough margin to challenge for a win. Of course Mercedes could be sandbagging and not really pushing 100% near the end..., but according to Lauda, Merc drivers were pushing hard throughout the race though.

Anyway, my point is that Bottas isn't mature enough and for sure Massa is not at the same level of caliber as Alonso or Senna... if Williams got somebody who can really push at 100% for the whole race, considering Hamilton wasn't at his 100% and considering that this hypothetical 'legendary driver' has the pole, there's gotta be 'some' chance to end up winning it?

Of course the continual hypothetical push throughout the race could also cause them to run into tires or other reliability issues too... and that'll further alter the race result. ;) Let's just see how the season develops I guess.

Other than the dicknose and the lame sound, I quite like the 2014 season so far! :)

[Blerpa]

If Senna were driving, would that increase their chance? ;)

Anyway, I suspect if Massa were driving for Ferrari, he'd probably be about where Kimi is... most likely worse. Alonso finished almost 30s ahead of Kimi. So I think it's 'possible' that Alonso could finish roughly 30s ahead of Massa in a Williams as well... and that should be enough margin to challenge for a win.

Alonso developed that car, Kimi just got back to Ferrari, and their driving styles are different.
F1 is such that Alonso could hop on that Williams and even be consinstantly worse than both Bottas and Massa, actually.

It has happened commonly also in other series: look at MotoGP. Last season Rossi was back on Yamaha, the one developed by Lorenzo. He struggled. Now - with a lot of other factors in place, obviously - Rossi has been more involved in the latest racer bike developed at Iwata... and it shows, as he is more consistant and confident with the bike than Lorenzo.

[Crazed_Insanity]

F1 is such that Alonso could hop on that Williams and even be consinstantly worse than both Bottas and Massa, actually.


I seriously doubt that. With limited testing for all and along with new regulation... these cars are all pretty new to everybody. I think the drivers doing well this season probably are the ones that are most adaptable. Besides reliability issues, I guess this season's cars are particularly difficult to drive for Vettel and Kimi? Being completely whipped by their teammates.

Anyway, there's just no fucking way that Alonso can be slower than Massa. Pretty sure Alonso would have a much higher standing in the championship had he been the one who signed with Williams.

[Blerpa]

While there's a reasonable reasoning behind my thoughts, there's none out of yours.

Also your very own words contradicts your point: "Besides reliability issues, I guess this season's cars are particularly difficult to drive for Vettel and Kimi?" aaaand... what makes you think Alonso could not find the Williams even more difficult to drive than Massa or Bottas same as Vettel and Kimi with their own? Ricciardo has been beating those Williams on a Red Bull. Yet Vettel is sucking on it.

FWIW I never thought Vettel was Senna's or Schumacher's material, but, did he suddenly get shit and Ricciardo got to be the new Jim Clark on a turd of a car? That goes to say each car is a whole different can of worms and each driver on each car is a relative unknown value, out of the two extreme sides of the gamma in question being Mercedes (probably most drivers would do good on one of them) and Caterham (probably most drivers would do really crap on one of them).

[FaultyMario]

Don't forget about the Sauber, not even Fangio could make up for the lack of creativity of those in their engineering department who had no chance of being picked by the bigger teams.