Formula 1 Grande Prêmio Petrobras do Brasil 2014

[overpowered]

Poles: Nico 10, Lewis 7
Wins: Nico 4, Lewis 10
DNF: Nico 2, Lewis 3

Even if Nico wins the next two races, if Lewis comes in second for both, he'll still beat Nico by 3 points.

[FaultyMario]

It's such a fucking shame that a historical circuit doesn't hold the last round. It should be Sao Paulo or Suzuka. Put it in writing you fucking twats!

[overpowered]

Nico needs to win the last race and have Lewis come in 3rd or worse. It doesn't seem likely to go his way.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, and someone needs to get David Hobbs a calculator. He wouldn't stop saying that Lewis now needs to win the last race, and the championship is slipping away, etc.

Basically it's going to take some kind of error/failure for Nico to win. If Hamilton has a trouble free race/qualifying, he'll almost certainly finish 2nd.

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At the other extreme, if Lewis DNF's the last race, Nico would only need to do 5th or better to win.

[overpowered]

I like how the longest podium interview was with Massa. The locals seemed to be ecstatic that Massa managed third. You'd think he'd won.

[Blerpa]

"Wins: Nico 4, Lewis 10
DNF: Nico 2, Lewis 3"

It is *nice* to see, once again (like in the Moto 3 fiasco yesterday) that championships reward more accountants than racers.
Fuck, Nico The Lame hasn't even won half the races Lewis has, and yet he has championship's chances. Disgusting.

[Random]

"Wins: Nico 4, Lewis 10
DNF: Nico 2, Lewis 3"

It is *nice* to see, once again (like in the Moto 3 fiasco yesterday) that championships reward more accountants than racers.
Fuck, Nico The Lame hasn't even won half the races Lewis has, and yet he has championship's chances. Disgusting.

"Nico the Lame" has also finished out of the top 2 only three times (total) to Lewis' five (total). Yeah, it's totally disgusting that a high level of consistency would be rewarded with a small chance to win the championship. :erm:

Even under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system, which rewarded winning the most relative to the rest of the positions, Lewis would have only just clinched the championship this week (assuming no double points for Abu Dhabi).

[FaultyMario]

Oh, and Samba > The Carmen Prelude.

[overpowered]

As of this week, Nico has won half as many races as Lewis. If he wins the next one, it will be more than half.

[Random]

As of this week, Nico has won half as many races as Lewis. If he wins the next one, it will be more than half.

The biggest difference between the two is that when Nico hasn't won, he has almost always finished second. When Lewis hasn't won, he's been all over the place, relatively speaking.

[Blerpa]

Well, then Nico would follow in the strides of his father, the lamest F1 championship winner ever.
Consistency vs. racing and winning... we have a different idea how the values in motorracing are set :)

[Random]

Well, then Nico would follow in the strides of his father, the lamest F1 championship winner ever.
Consistency vs. racing and winning... we have a different idea how the values in motorracing are set :)

Given that 1) nobody in '82 won more than two races, and 2) Keke was one of the few drivers to actually finish a majority of the races (and he finished in the points in all but one of those!), that's a pretty harsh judgement. Now, obviously, Pironi getting injured was a significant factor, but Watson certainly didn't make the most of his chances, finishing out of the points in three of the last five races while Rosberg was on the podium in three of the last five. That, in my mind, is why you keep track of points and consistency!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Even under the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system, which rewarded winning the most relative to the rest of the positions, Lewis would have only just clinched the championship this week (assuming no double points for Abu Dhabi).

Really? That was surprising.

So the double points kinda works to allow the last race of the season to be somewhat relevant? ;)

Anyway, Nico definitely isn't that lame and I do believe consistency also need to be rewarded. However, as we all can clearly see why Mercedes chose to pay Hamilton the big bucks rather than Mr. Nico the consistent guy!

[G'day Mate]

So, where does Lewis need finish in Abu Dhabi if Nico finishes ahead of him in order to win the championship?


NicoLewis
1st2nd
2nd5th
3rd6th
4th8th
5th9th
6thN/A

[Crazed_Insanity]

LH will likely finish 2nd or above or DNF. Chances of him finishing 5th or below should be practically zero...

[overpowered]

True.

Lewis: 3 DNF's and 2 3rds
Nico: 2 DNF's and a 4th

All other times they've placed either 1st or 2nd. Neither one of them tends to be likely to finish worse than 2nd. The Mercedes is too good.

With double points, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Sauber could overtake not only Marussia, but also Lotus.

[IMOA]

Nico has had some good weekends but really the consistency he's shown is more about the reliability issues Hamilton has had than anything Nico has done.

[overpowered]

One more DNF than Nico. IIRC all of his DNF's were indeed mechanical reliability issues, as were Nico's.

Are you saying that those 3rds were outside of his control?

[IMOA]

Mostly, yes, he wasn't able to qualify in either of those races (brake failure and engine fire) so started from the back of the grid.

[Freude am Fahren]

With double points, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Sauber could overtake not only Marussia, but also Lotus.

Actually, with Marussia folding, all Sauber has to do is show up (and beat Caterham if they manage to make it there). They and Caterham are battling for 9th now. With 0 points, it goes to average finish, which would be interesting since Caterham got to skip two races. I'm not sure that matters though, Sauber should take it unless Caterham actually scores points.

[SupraDupra]

I finally got caught up with F1 last night....I really, really hate these years where Brasil is not the final race. But, it sure has been awesome seeing Massa doing well this year. Particularly with Monza and Interlagos. Go Felipe!

[overpowered]

Actually, with Marussia folding, all Sauber has to do is show up (and beat Caterham if they manage to make it there). They and Caterham are battling for 9th now. With 0 points, it goes to average finish, which would be interesting since Caterham got to skip two races. I'm not sure that matters though, Sauber should take it unless Caterham actually scores points.

They were already ahead of Caterham and only behind Marussia because they have 2 points and Sauber still has none. Other than that one miracle points finish, Marussia has done worse than Sauber. All Sauber has to do to beat Marussia is finish 10th and they get 2 points to tie on points and win on finishes.

Beating Lotus will be harder. Lotus has 10 points. They'll need to finish 7th or better or 8th and 9th between them and have Lotus not get points. That's not very likely but not outside the realm of possibility.

[FaultyMario]

I'm still pissed at Esteban for that brainfart at Rascasse. HE was running 9th. On merit.

[Freude am Fahren]

In related news:
http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/11/13/gutierrez-hasnt-been-in-last-five-races/#.VGYqTRCmU40

Gutierrez hasn’t been in last five races
Posted in Motorsport, News by Sniff Petrol on Thursday, November 13th, 2014

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Esteban Gutierrez, yesterday

There was outrage in F1 today as bosses discovered that Esteban Gutierrez hasn’t taken part in a race for two months.

‘This anomaly came to light during routine checks,’ explained an FIA insider. ‘It seems Gutierrez turns up on a Sunday, minces about a bit in his Nomex on the grid, then just before the race starts he puts on a trenchcoat and sneaks off into the crowd, perfectly disguised as a French lesbian.’

The extraordinary Gutierrazian skiving was thought to be a cost saving measure from Sauber whose financial difficulties have seen team rations cut to 11 Toblerones per person per day. However, it now seems the Mexican driver’s failure to compete in the last five races is actually some sort of protest from Gutierrez himself.

‘Esteban is sick of being ignored,’ said a source close to the driver. ‘He feels he doesn’t get any respect or attention from the team. His name was spelt wrong on the their official entry, on two occasions they’ve tried to send him out in a car that hasn’t got an engine, and he’s pretty sure at least three members of senior management think his name is Ken. So he’s been sneaking off before each race and sure enough, no one has noticed.’

Gutierrez’s absence from every race since Singapore raises questions as to how his name remained on F1’s official results tables. ‘Ah, yes, that is a bit embarrassing,’ admitted an F1 insider. ‘It seems we just assumed we’d missed him so after the chequered flag we hastily put him down in a plausible position, usually 13th. It didn’t occur to us that he hadn’t been in the race at all. Although it would explain why he hasn’t been seen or mentioned on TV coverage recently. Or, come to think of it, ever.’

[Crazed_Insanity]

Is that for real?

[FaultyMario]

Of course it is!

Didn't you see Marcus Ericsson took his place as soon as Caterham went kaput?

[Kchrpm]

Notice the "News by Sniff Petrol"

[Freude am Fahren]

:lol:

[LHutton]

Nico needs to win the last race and have Lewis come in 3rd or worse. It doesn't seem likely to go his way.
Lewis is 17 points ahead, so a 6th place would see him level if Nico wins. 5th or better would see him win. If he crashes, or DNFs, Nico needs 2nd place or better.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/drivers/standings/2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_World_Championship_points_scor ing_systems

Only for that 3rd DNF, it'd be over already. He's had 6 mechanical failures (three DNFs, two 3rds and a 2nd) vs 3 (two DNFs and a 4th) for Rosberg.

[overpowered]

If Lewis DNF's, then Nico needs 5th or better. 5th = 20 points because of double points.

See G'Day's post above where he showed where Lewis needs to place based upon Nico's placement to still win.

If Nico gets 1st and Lewis gets 2nd, Nico will only gain 14 points against that 17 and so still be 3 points behind.

OTOH, if Nico wins and Lewis gets 3rd, he'll gain 20 points against that 17 and win by 3 points.