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FaultyMario
November 20th, 2014, 08:27 AM
Final race of 2014.


Lots of serious issues facing F1 to be hidden under this ridiculous rug.

Random
November 20th, 2014, 09:01 AM
;)

FaultyMario
November 20th, 2014, 09:07 AM
Did he get a Caterham golden ticket?

Random
November 20th, 2014, 09:08 AM
It was the prize for being the biggest contributor to their crowd-funded entry. :D

overpowered
November 20th, 2014, 09:50 AM
I voted for Nico, though I suspect it will be Lewis. Lewis may go a little conservative just to make sure that he gets at least 2nd since that's all he needs and there's no good reason to take risks at this point.

FaultyMario
November 20th, 2014, 12:01 PM
It's Nico who needs Lewis to finish 6th or worse.

overpowered
November 20th, 2014, 02:44 PM
If Nico wins, then Lewis needs to finish second or Nico takes the title.

MR2 Fan
November 20th, 2014, 02:45 PM
I hope Nico wins because he's been slightly less of a douchebag than Lewis from what I've seen

G'day Mate
November 20th, 2014, 07:12 PM
So, where does Lewis need finish in Abu Dhabi if Nico finishes ahead of him in order to win the championship?


NicoLewis
1st2nd
2nd5th
3rd6th
4th8th
5th9th
6thN/A


:)

Dicknose
November 20th, 2014, 11:29 PM
So both out on the first corner?

Freude am Fahren
November 21st, 2014, 07:41 AM
Senna is Lewis' hero.

Godson
November 21st, 2014, 08:58 AM
Yeah. Both out at first.

overpowered
November 21st, 2014, 11:18 AM
Senna is Lewis' hero.I wasn't following F1 when Senna was racing, so I Googled. I'm guessing you are referring to this?

http://www.streetfire.net/video/f1-ayrton-senna-crashes-into-alain-prost_191354.htm

Freude am Fahren
November 21st, 2014, 11:26 AM
Yeah, but not seriously.

overpowered
November 21st, 2014, 05:48 PM
Vettel is going to Ferarri and Alonso very vaguely suggested that he's going to McLaren.

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/20/alonso-my-next-move-wont-be-a-surprise-for-anybody/

LHutton
November 22nd, 2014, 01:59 AM
Why is it double points?

FaultyMario
November 22nd, 2014, 03:45 AM
Because Ecclestone got a double fee from the organizers.

LHutton
November 22nd, 2014, 06:23 AM
I see, so basically they introduced a completely unfair points system for commercial reasons. Maybe we'll see this in boxing too before long, double points for the last round. Absolutely ridiculous.

G'day Mate
November 22nd, 2014, 07:14 AM
What makes it unfair? Dumb, certainly, but unfair?

Kchrpm
November 22nd, 2014, 08:43 AM
It's double points to try to avoid a last race that doesn't matter for the championship.

Blerpa
November 22nd, 2014, 08:48 AM
No worries, they have officially announced the double point retarded rule is dropped for 2015 and onward.

overpowered
November 22nd, 2014, 09:52 AM
If we didn't have double points on this race, it would still be possible for Rosberg to win the WDC but instead of him winning and having to have Hamilton get 3rd or worse, he'd have to win and have Hamilton get 7th or worse or get 2nd and have Hamilton out of the points.

I think it does make it more interesting. It's just too bad that the extra weighted race is at Yas Marina. If it was going to be done, it should have been at a more interesting track.

Rosberg now ties for 6th for most poles in a season with 11. Only 8 drivers have had 10 or more in a season. With Hamliton's 7, Mercedes ties Red Bull for the most in a season for a team with 18.

FaultyMario
November 22nd, 2014, 10:06 AM
It should have been at a more interesting track.

Like when one German had to recover from an early spin and was crowned because another German failed to capitalize on his lucky break (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104571)? or you know, when Felipe was WDC for like 30 seconds (http://fotos.subefotos.com/a984babe3db3feffe4e295c5e18197cfo.gif). Which, BTW, did not need any silly rules.

FaultyMario
November 22nd, 2014, 11:36 AM
Both Red Bull cars' times to be excluded from Qualifying for violating the no moveable aerodynamic devices rule.

924925

A "leaf spring arrangement concealed with rubber" was found to operate FW flaps.

Alan P
November 22nd, 2014, 01:48 PM
You don't use a spring to stop something from moving or then try to hide it inside some rubber. Surely they can't race with this wing as it's illegal. Which means changing the front wing which also means breaking Parc Ferme? And that then means starting from the pitlane.

XHawkeye
November 22nd, 2014, 05:13 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3CdlnvCUAAhHKt.jpg:large

#Alonso with the mother of all powerslides #AbuDhabiGP

https://twitter.com/Mattzel89/status/536101626298503168



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLhBiIlOlqc

Random
November 22nd, 2014, 05:31 PM
Been getting driving tips from Kimi? :D

LHutton
November 23rd, 2014, 01:43 AM
What makes it unfair? Dumb, certainly, but unfair?
Because it essentially makes 1 of the previous wins irrelevant for a driver that doesn't win this one and there's no valid reason for it having more points. I.e. a driver who doesn't win Abu Dhabi has to win 2 other GPs to make up for it, so it allows a driver with an inferior overall performance to win.

It makes it more interesting but you could make a boxing match more interesting by giving the fighter who's down on points a baseball bat for the last round.

FaultyMario
November 23rd, 2014, 03:41 AM
Been getting driving tips from Kimi? :D

It's like, Samurai suddenly doesn't care!

XHawkeye
November 23rd, 2014, 05:58 AM
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116907

<quote>

Red Bull's exclusion from Abu Dhabi Grand Prix qualifying for having front wing flaps designed to deflect under aero load revived Formula 1's controversy over flexible bodywork.

The FIA's announcement of the disqualification was brief and the specific details of what part of the wing flexed have not been made public.

But the FIA did say that the flaps were the parts in question.

These are the rear-most elements of the front wing, typically forming the adjustable section (see image above).

These parts can be adjusted when the car is stationery, via the threaded adjuster pods, but any movement from aero load is banned.

There are a pair of technical regulations that can be applied to the front wing.

Article 3.15 lays out that bodywork must be rigid and immobile relative to the rest of the car.

No part can be infinitely rigid, so another rule sets out some tests to be applied to specific areas.

Article 3.17 details various deflection tests, but this only includes one front wing test that does not affect the front wing flaps.

The rules do state, in Article 3.17.8, that in order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of), moving while the car is in motion.

If the front wing flaps flexed at speed, the most obvious gain would to move the centre of pressure rearward - which would improve the aero balance around the entire lap.

This flex could be achieved in several ways, firstly by the carbon fibre bodywork being flexible.

This could mean they meet any expected FIA test, but then flex at loads above those applied when being checked.

Secondly, the wing could have a mechanical means to meet the FIA flex test and then deform at higher loads, potentially through the use of a spring.

Red Bull has accepted the FIA's decision, but pointed out its belief that other teams interpret the rules in the same way it does.

Analysis of the cars when on track is difficult. The on-board cameras are a better way to view deflection, but often the front wing is obscured from the roll hoop camera by the wheels and suspension.

The lower nose mounted cameras are better for this sort of analysis. On-board footage from a camera mounted on the Williams nose in Abu Dhabi appeared to show its flaps deflecting downwards, but its cars were deemed legal by the FIA.

During qualifying, super-slow-motion images often show the front wings shaking in an alarming fashion over kerbs and even striking the ground in a cloud of sparks.

This sort of deflection is unavoidable and does not serve to prove either way if a team is beneficially flexing its wing.

Images of the cars when near the end of a straight before braking suggest that several teams have front wings that appear rotated about their mounting pillars.

But the angle of the images is rarely consistent and the eye can be fooled into seeing a tilted wing when it is level with the floor of the car.

Red Bull will now need to replace or modify its wings before the race.

</quote>

FaultyMario
November 23rd, 2014, 05:58 AM
Was that champagne or rose water that disappointed Hamilton?

racerfink
November 23rd, 2014, 06:20 AM
I hope Nico wins because he's been slightly less of a douchebag than Lewis from what I've seen

Yeah, cause a guy who shows up two hours early for a Today show taping, and signs autographs out in the crowd for almost all of those two hours, SCREAMS douchebag.

FaultyMario
November 23rd, 2014, 06:34 AM
How will McLaren justify sacking Button in favor of KMag/Vandoorne?

Car development: +BUT
Qualifying: +MAG
Racecraft: +BUT
Race feedback: +BUT
Simulator work: +MAG
Commercial image: +BUT
Relationship to ALO: ?? (BUT)

Blerpa
November 23rd, 2014, 07:02 AM
How will McLaren justify sacking Button in favor of KMag/Vandoorne?

Car development: +BUT
Qualifying: +MAG
Racecraft: +BUT
Race feedback: +BUT
Simulator work: +MAG
Commercial image: +BUT
Relationship to ALO: ?? (BUT)

Age and salary.

LHutton
November 23rd, 2014, 07:28 AM
Thankfully the double points BS didn't have any impact on the driver's title and it'll be gone next year, good riddance, and no more gimmicky crap please Bernie. 1 win should equal 1 win.

XHawkeye
November 23rd, 2014, 08:03 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3JAVe2CAAEO_z_.jpg:large

LOL, who comes up with these things? Internets will have a field day :)

https://twitter.com/AxisOfOversteer/status/536562053579018240

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Fernando Alonso scored 1190 points in his 5 seasons with Ferrari. His team mates scored 551 points during the same period #F1

https://twitter.com/cmckinleyF1/status/536559563550781440

LHutton
November 23rd, 2014, 08:57 AM
Fernando Alonso scored 1190 points in his 5 seasons with Ferrari. His team mates scored 551 points during the same period #F1

https://twitter.com/cmckinleyF1/status/536559563550781440
Here's an interesting one to compare Alonso and Hamilton. Button is the only team mate to have finished ahead of Hamilton in a season, which happened in 2011 when Hamilton collided with Massa nearly every other race.

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/drivers/standings/2007

I would love to see Hamilton and Vettel at Mercedes to answer the final question.

Alan P
November 23rd, 2014, 09:03 AM
How will McLaren justify sacking Button in favor of KMag/Vandoorne?

Car development: +BUT
Qualifying: +MAG
Racecraft: +BUT
Race feedback: +BUT
Simulator work: +MAG
Commercial image: +BUT
Relationship to ALO: ?? (BUT)

Apparently Magnussen brings a fairly substantial sponsorship package from ASOS. I don't think Jenson brings much but sponsors and the media love him, especially in Japan.

FaultyMario
November 23rd, 2014, 03:42 PM
You peeps think the TV feed could have been better directed? There was a lot going on besides the title fight, but they chose to center on a battle that wasn't there.

overpowered
November 24th, 2014, 12:12 AM
It would have at least been more interesting had Rosberg's car not had problems. I'm wondering if it had something to do with his bad start?

Hamilton now ties for 3rd for most wins in a season with 11.

Freude am Fahren
November 24th, 2014, 08:07 AM
Maybe. If he didn't have any or full ERS at the start, that would make sense. Also Lewis had a phenomenal start. The best he's ever had he said on the podium.