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    But they already made that in a different wrapper:


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    Nice infodump, Ross.

    The Escalade is the new Eldorado. Just stick with it, build around it, and keep innovating it. Light truck emissions are always going to be more lenient than cars so that's an advantage -- as are the presumptive profit margins and market share.

    Hopefully GM didn't spend too much money conducting the comparative study.

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    While it's a smart decision, it's also a bit short-sighted.

    Audi didn't get to where they are by NOT building an A8. And then constantly improving it.

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    Audi didn't already have a vehicle at that price point that had 15+ years of strong sales and name recognition. I compared US and European sales for the A8/S8 and the Escalade (including ESV and EXT) as reported by the same site, last year the Escalade outsold the Audi by more than 24,000 vehicles. From 2010 - 2015, the gap is 91,000, and from 2000 - 2015, it's 431,000. The Escalade is Cadillac's flagship, and it kicks the ass of Audi's flagship in sales.

    In fact, from 2000 - 2015, the Escalade has outsold the A8, S-Class and 7-Series in the US and Europe.
    Cadillac Escalade Audi A8 Mercedes-Benz S-Class BMW 7-Series
    2000 23346 11964 61710 30043
    2001 31816 10498. 56607 24105
    2002 49658 8408 42449 38056
    2003 59752 16030. 41409 35378
    2004 62250 18439 34255 29226
    2005 51144 15991 28645 30670
    2006 62302 15779 55744 29680
    2007 61671 13897 47304 23053
    2008 40123 11562. 34376 20293
    2009 26047 5617 23285 21788
    2010 27060 9734. 24113 21852
    2011 25674 14691. 21877 20499
    2012 22788 12805 19093 19271
    2013 22627 11786 22039 16912
    2014 30522 12460 42914 15051
    2015 35923 11707 38517 15277
    Total 632703 201368 594337 391154
    Get that weak shit off my track

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    And it is essentially the same vehicle as a suburban

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    Customers seem to be fine with the upgrades from the Suburban, and it just makes the profit margins even better. It seemingly isn't hurting sales too much.

    Related: the S-Class and 7-series serve as the base for more expensive models (Maybach S600 and Rolls-Royce Ghost, respectively), and the A8 shares its platform with the VW Phaeton below and the Bentley Flying Spur above.
    Get that weak shit off my track

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    Not like a Tahoe/Suburban/Yukon is cheap these days either; they start just under $50k. The only way to get a stripped out model these days is to be a Tahoe PPV buyer, and even then they're ~$44k (on paper, anyway, hard to say what a given fleet buyer is actually paying).

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    Yeah - given how well the Escalade does and given how the Model S does against the A8/S-class, I just can't see any good reason to enter that market now.

    I wonder how sales of the big German SUVs do against the A8/S-class. 2lazy 2look.

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    http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/29/c...sschen-report/

    The head of Cadillac replied to an article on The Detroit Bureau, confirmed later by GM as actually being him, with some new info but not details.

    "We ARE planning a Cadillac flagship which will NOT be a 4 door sedan;
    We ARE planning a large crossover beneath Escalade;
    We ARE planning a compact crossover beneath XT5;
    We ARE planning a comprehensive enhancement to CT6 later during life cycle;
    We ARE planning a major refresh for XTS;
    We ARE planning a new Lux 3 sedan entry;
    We ARE planning a new Lux 2 sedan entry;"
    I don't know what Lux 3 or Lux 2 means. Lux 5 seems to be the S-Class/7-series range (he uses that to refer to the CT8 that isn't happening now), so 1/2/3/4/5 could equate to similar to BMW's Mini/1/3/5/7.

    In addition, new powertrain applications for the above portfolio, which will include New Energy applications, are also part of the confirmed planning.
    Tesla-killing Cadillac ENGAGE.
    Get that weak shit off my track

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    "We ARE planning a Cadillac flagship which will NOT be a 4 door sedan"

    Wagon fans, get yourselves into a lather.

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