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    Wait, can we derail the thread for a moment to agree that Jim Jefferies is no longer funny (at least his recent stand-up act is too much even for the left-leaning folk)

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    I miss his show on FX.

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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I still like him (though I haven't seen his latest standup)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodint View Post
    I miss his show on FX.
    Legit? Loved it.

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    Since when would any of you fuckers listen to an Australian’s opinion on gun control?

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    Since when every educated country outside the US knows more about US policies and politics, so ... always

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    There's not a whole lot of attention for other causes, such as the ones you listed, because we constantly fund, and research ways of preventing/treating them.

    https://report.nih.gov/categorical_spending.aspx

    If we were "banned" from researching heart disease, and McDonalds was some huge political power, we'd be having a different discussion, imo.

    There's also the "natural causes" vs "external" discussion... heart disease doesn't show up at a school and injure/kill a bunch of kids. Then, beyond that, personally, I see our peers in the developed world not really have much in the way of gun violence, and it just seems "obvious" that it's (at least partially) because they have fewer guns.

    Again, though, I know it's never going to change here. There's too many people that love the "right", and there's too many guns in circulation at this point. The "best" solution, at this point is to cultivate peace in other ways. But that isn't probable either, because it involves "socialism".
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    Lawyer and gun advocate (who sits much farther to the right than me in that area) friend on another board posted this:

    Very happy with the Kavanaugh pick. Kavanaugh's dissent in the Heller II case before the DC Circuit is exactly what every gun owner and supporter of the RKBA is looking for in a Supreme Court justice; Kavanaugh argued that DC's assault-weapons ban and gun-registration scheme were both unconstitutional.
    So that's cool.

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    In addition, there's not a lot of attention like, say, a thread on the GTX, for other causes because there's not a lot of debate. There's not a contingent saying that we have a right to get Parkinson's and that it's a pretty small number of people that die from it anyway.
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    Sure. But when a proper analogy is made (cars, bikes, etc) that's shouted down as absurd as well. So what can I do? Guns hold a unique place in our society, that's plain to see and most analogies fail. An intellectual annoyance of mine is that firearms impact is exaggerated by influencers, for lack of a better word, out of a dislike for a culture they do not partake in or to use to advance their own agenda. That's a commentary on the national discourse and not directed at anyone specific.

    The Parkinson's comparison was simply an illustration of scale, they happened to have the same death rate of 0.7% of the population.

    Here's another way of looking at it. Jason (and others) wants to use an isolated incident from six years ago (Sandy Hook) to kill the firearms industry, a $31.8 billion industry in the United States. That's $31.8B worth of economic force in the form of jobs, safety, recreation, sustenance procurement, etc. Saying that the industry should go away because a very, very small number of people occasionally misuse or abuse the end product is incredibly near-sighted. It's absurd in the same way banning cars is absurd, the utility far outweighs the the tragic but statistically insignificant bad outcomes.

    This might be the only ongoing debate I engage in that is completely futile. Absolutists clashing with the Constitution was settled 10 years ago this week with Heller II. I wish we talked about something more compelling and impactful, like Fourth Amendment developments. But nobody gleefully runs to the message board when a police officer violates someone's curtilage before getting a warrant.

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