Gun control

[dodint]

Is it too soon to talk about Australia's mass shooting?

[Rare White Ape]

I think 22 years is enough time to wait.

[dodint]

Four years.

The facts of this case are obviously different than the mass shootings that happen occasionally in the US. This doesn't appear to have been an active shooter situation, more like a murder-suicide, domestic dispute, or shady business deal gone wrong.

I found this excerpt amusing: “Although the details of this tragedy are yet to come to light, Australia has a tragic history of higher rate of gun deaths in rural areas.” The exact opposite occurs in the US. Almost like they're two completely different cultures that shouldn't be compared 1:1.

[balki]

Gun deaths in NYC are pretty low, guessing much lower (per capita) than rural America (Chicago can ruin my argument, though)

[Rare White Ape]

I found this excerpt amusing: “Although the details of this tragedy are yet to come to light, Australia has a tragic history of higher rate of gun deaths in rural areas.” The exact opposite occurs in the US. Almost like they're two completely different cultures that shouldn't be compared 1:1.

Yeeeeeerrrp. We do consume a lot of US culture and entertainment, and see a lot of US news, etcetera. But overall our country is remarkably different.

The rural skew with gun deaths is the same with drug abuse too. There’s a fairly problematic ice epidemic in those areas, though not a lot of people overdose and die from using it. It can be an issue if someone takes it then drives a long distance (as you would in a sparsely populated area) while affected. When you get back to the city, the drugs of choice (other than cannabis, which is popular everywhere) are MDMA and cocaine, neither of which are likely to turn you into a violent or aggressive beserker like ice does.

[Dicknose]

This seems to be a murder suicide within a family unit.
Not good, but a lot different to what would normally be called a “shooting”

Gun ownership is higher in rural areas, they are still a tool for most farmers with animals.
And it’s mostly suicides, some murder/suicides. It’s not all Wolf Creek out there.

[Crazed_Insanity]

People can always find ways to kill people. Higher gun ownership rate, high gun death rate. Nothing new. So should we just ban guns? Since without guns, for sure we can minimize gun deaths. Mass mowing of people on the side walk with a van is technically not a gun problem. So we know the dangers of allowing guns..., if guns have absolutely no benefit other than for farmers, natural conclusion is that we ought to eventual just ban it as rural farming become less and less needed.

However, there is one singular benefit of having arms... that is when we wage wars. Without arms, for sure you will lose that war.

DN and RWA, back to the scenario when US government becomes so corrupted to the point that we no longer have elections and somebody worse than Trump appoints himself king of the world with full support of US Congress and Supreme court, do you guys still believe US citizens having guns is not a good idea?

Or do you really believe US government is incorruptible?

If you can guarantee US government shall forever remain incorruptible, that world has become utopian that no way in heaven would we ever wage wars on one another, then we can get rid of 2A. Because there'd be absolutely no benefit for having guns around. If you really want to shoot, you can shoot things up in the holodeck.

[Dicknose]

However, there is one singular benefit of having arms... that is when we wage wars. Without arms, for sure you will lose that war.

DN and RWA, back to the scenario when US government becomes so corrupted to the point that we no longer have elections and somebody worse than Trump appoints himself king of the world with full support of US Congress and Supreme court, do you guys still believe US citizens having guns is not a good idea?

I don’t think guns solve that problem. All they do is end up with a lot of people dead. You still might not have the “good guys” win.
Did the Korean War work well? Plenty of people fought for the communist side thinking it was the correct side.
Ditto Vietnam.

The US Civil War was brutal. Was it the best or only way to solve the issues?

Arguing guns will help doesn’t mean much if both sides have the same right to them. It just means more people dead.

So a big no from me. It’s a barbaric solution to problems.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Totally agree that war is a barbaric solution to settle our differences.

However, you have to be realistic.

When was the last time in human history that a new government just peacefully popped into existence? Maybe Australia? UK couldn't care less what happens to the penal colony?

Even if there were one, how long can it survive without barbaric arms?

Humanity abandoning nuclear arms may be possible, but not sure if we can out grow all of our arm services...

When that day happens, then I agree we can do away with 2A.

[Tom Servo]

Wait, when did the goalposts move to "ban all guns for everyone including the military"? I missed that part.