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    For me it’s a 50/50 toss-up. Both companies have very proud histories in F1.

    Porsche as an engine supplier? I don’t see it happening, sportscar racing is their playground… unless they enter with their own chassis as well and go all-in for 5+ years. If their factory Le Mans programs are anything to go by, they only enter for a few years, achieve their goals quickly, then bow out without dragging it on. Investing in F1 at the risk of being regularly beaten by Mercedes and Ferrari is not something they’d want to do, and won’t help push sales of their already profitable sports cars.

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    Ok, some news.
    Ferrari is saying goodbye to Raikkonen by the end of the season.
    And no Ricciardo. LeClerc is going to replace the finn at Scuderia.

    Ricciardo options are: stay at Red Bull till 2020 with similar contract to Verstappen, otherwise he has offers by Renault and McLaren.
    McLaren is moving in case Alonso will leave F1 altogether by next year: an offer has already delivered to Ricciardo as already said, otherwise Sainz is pushed by Alonso himself to take the Woking's team, but the australian has priority.
    Vandoorne or Norris for the second seat.

    Giovinazzi in Sauber replacing LeClerc? Could be.

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    Interesting news...

    I feel kinda bad for Ricciardo... He should be getting better options than these... and I hope RB will at least offer him more money than Max...

    Looking forward to see if Leclerc could kick Vettel's ass in the same car...

    Back to the powerplant debate, Yeah, I'm 50/50 too. Decade or 2 ago, I'd totally be a Honda fan, but I think the bean counters have taken over... and it can be shown with Honda's untimely withdrawal of F-1 due to softening auto sales... Their golden era produced the original NSX and S2000, but after S2000, I don't really see anything exciting being produced after S2000. Just felt like they lost their passion and excitement and became another Toyota.

    Don't know much about Renault and not selling in the US market also makes it hard for me to gauge what they're up to..., but their past successes definitely can't really be used to predict their future performance.

    Perhaps the synergy of a brand new relationship between RB and Honda can be a good one. It doesn't help RB if they're stuck with an engine they don't like. It also doesn't help crappy Honda engines to be stuck in a slow McLaren and yet constantly being blamed as it's totally their fault.

    Next year should be exciting.

    Sad to see Kimi go though..., but he's had a good run or two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Interesting news
    Rumors, news is the reporting of facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    I feel kinda bad for Ricciardo... He should be getting better options than these... and I hope RB will at least offer him more money than Max...
    The only better option would be to take Bottas' seat. I don't know if that is settled yet. I don't know if second to Seb is better than equal footing at RBR. He is being offered an equal contract to Max, AFAIK.

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    Looking forward to see if Leclerc could kick Vettel's ass in the same car...
    See above.
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    I think Bottas has proven himself to be a worthy and team playing teammate to Lewis. It'd be foolish for Mercedes to fire him.

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    Bottas is pretty much the perfect #2 in a top tier team. Quick enough to get wins when #1 has an off day/at a weak track but not quite quick enough to challenge the #1 for the title and comfortable enough with that for team harmony to remain. There’s no better driver in rather world for the #2 seat at Mercedes.

    Regarding Red Bull and Honda I dont have high hopes. The way the engines are now there needs to be a high degree of cooperation between the chassis manufacturer and the engine manufacturer and the Honda/Japanese work culture is a very poor match for this and Red Bull dont exactly have a track record of working effectively through issues with their engine supplier in a constructive manner. Its not a coincidence that the two best teams in the current era also happen to be the two teams with engine and chassis under the one roof.

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    Didn't McLaren have packaging issues with the Honda at first?

    No one has higher packaging demands than Red Bull. I suppose they know from Torro Rosso if they can make it work, but I expect a lot of overheating, and/or Red Bull to lose a bit of their famous chassis/aero advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freude am Fahren View Post
    Didn't McLaren have packaging issues with the Honda at first?

    No one has higher packaging demands than Red Bull. I suppose they know from Torro Rosso if they can make it work, but I expect a lot of overheating, and/or Red Bull to lose a bit of their famous chassis/aero advantage.
    I was under the impression that late last year Honda ditched the in-house only approach and started hiring some people from the F1 circle. And that Red Bull provided an engine team to ease out the transition for Toro Rosso.

    They should be below Ferrari and Mercedes but slightly above Renault.

    The big losers are obviously Renault, they lose the revenue which had been a little high due to RB's late commitment. Honda win big because they get access to a great chassis that they can use to correlate their testing data and double on their testing time.
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    I finally saw the Amazon video program about mclaren and Honda, I don't specifically recall packaging issues, but it did show how Honda engineers were unable to electronically start their engine... and mclaren folks couldn't engineer sufficient car parts in time. They had helluva trouble making the floor of their chassis... not sure if that was due to packaging issue or something else.

    I'm amazed they made a show of their troubles for all to watch. Hope they at least made some money with Amazon.

    Since they have split, there's no way for follow up seasons to show them triumphant...

    Wonder who will return to their former glory first...
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    News from Paul Ricard

    Quote Originally Posted by RaceFans.net
    Mercedes confirms it has introduced an upgrade for its Formula 1 power unit at this weekend’s French Grand Prix.

    The team described the upgrade as a ‘Phase 2.1’ which goes beyond the ‘Phase 2’ development it planned to introduce at the previous race in Canada. The new development is being used by all six Mercedes-powered drivers.

    The Mercedes, Force India and Williams cars are all using new engines, turbochargers and MGU-Hs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horner, recovered by various news outlets
    "The progress they’re making is obvious. For us it’s absolutely the right partner going forward.

    "Our mantra’s going to be ‘go and build the best engine you can, we’re not going to give you any limitations in terms of packaging, we’ll make it fit’,"

    "They’ve got some talented people that have been recruited, they’ve got some specialists that they’re working with."

    "We’re more interested in what is the opportunity and the potential reward,"

    "Obviously McLaren’s experience was McLaren’s experience. You can see it hasn’t got a whole world better since they’ve changed engine partner.

    "For us, our decision was based on what’s in front of us here and now and looking forward.

    "This was very much driven by engineering, in terms of what is the best way for us to be competitive and bridge that gap to Mercedes and Ferrari.
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