What has that got to do with this???Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity
What has that got to do with this???
Its more your comments seem to be that you dont even understand why its wrong.
You tend to believe Jesus only say bad things about those in power. The haves not would never hear anything offensive from Jesus.
Here's also the parable Jesus used regarding the passage I quoted you earlier:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...0&version=NKJV
The 'talents of gold' used in the parable can be faith and good works or perhaps referring to our natural born talents or perhaps it can be literally just gold(money)... it doesn't matter IMHO.
My interpretation of that is although Jesus loves everyone equally, it's also clear that everyone just isn't equal in all areas of life. People are just different, with different IQ, talents, different work ethics and will therefore end up at different places. This passage is probably the main reason for me to believe Jesus isn't against capitalism(as long as you have good work ethics)? Point is Jesus isn't somebody who'd take from the rich and give to the poor unconditionally. In fact he just might do the opposite! Jesus has no problems feeding the hungry and helping the sick and poor(the socialism aspects), but he'll only help people get back on their feet. Then you gotta take whatever 'talents' you have and try to grow with it, rather than expecting others with more 'talents' to just help you out. Anyway, during my 1st reading of that parable, I thought Jesus was pretty mean(or offensive) to the guy with the least talents too. So I really think Jesus is an equal opportunity offensive preacher, doesn't matter what classes we are in, when we've done something wrong, we just might hear something from Jesus that we don't like. Of course people might disagree with what Jesus considers wrong. The guy with only 1 talent might be complaining about why he only got 1 to begin with when the other guys got so much more! But anyways, who am I to disagree with Jesus. I can only sometimes disagree with you guys!
My point is, offensive speech isn't always wrong. At least Jesus' offensive speeches are meant to correct and guide us back on the right path.
Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; December 13th, 2021 at 11:26 AM.
Found this cool interview of Jordan Peterson. I really can’t not see that hateful asshole, but you all know that I’m super gullible!
Don’t know why it’s not showing, oh well, here’s a link.
https://youtu.be/PYM-sS-0-yg
Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; December 16th, 2021 at 08:17 AM.
It wasn't really much of a hard hitting interview. There are a few things that stuck out to me.
He seems to blame everyone else for the place he finds himself in the cultural spectrum. It couldn't possibly be the things he says, it's just that he's a successful white male, and that's just what happens when you're a successful white male. I mean, except for all the people that doesn't happen to, but I'm sure that can be explained away.
He calls out comedians as canaries in a coal mine, comparing them to the jester in the court. But his analogy only works if the King is demanding that the jester be silenced, which isn't what's happening here. Private companies choosing not to host something isn't the same thing. People choosing not to give money to private companies that host those things isn't the same thing.
He talks about how comedians live on the edges, and they are important because they break up categories, which strikes me as odd as the thing he's the most famous for is refusing to consider that the categorizations he grew up with might have changed.
Finally, he talks about how important freedom of speech is, but I think he makes the same mistake that a lot of people who consider themselves all about speech make. Criticism of your speech is also speech. Telling you you're wrong is also free speech. Part of freedom of speech is people shouting down things that are considered beyond the pale.
I'm not saying he's beyond the pale. I am saying that in the few parts of the interview that weren't just being a normal human ("I worry about my loved ones when they're sick"), he just seems to think that he should be unchallenged, and that the way people feel about him has nothing to do with him, it's all mean old society doing it to him. For a person who I've gathered is all about taking responsibility, he doesn't seem to be that into it himself.
At least now I know where you get a lot of your conversational tactics from.
I don't get the sense that he doesn't like to be challenged at all. Trump is the type who doesn't like to be challenged for sure, but I don't get that from Peterson. Perhaps he's just very opinionated or has a strong conviction? Also, was he really blaming everyone due to his stand? I'm not so sure. I thought he was just 'explaining' why this is happening to him and he understood this kind of thing goes with the territory. I really don't get the feeling that Jordan Peterson is telling people to stop saying bad things about him.
Anyway, Peterson didn't really altered too much of my thinking... I personally find him amazing because often times I find him able to articulate the things that I believe in way better than me! On all those taboo topics of politics, religion and sex(he understands gender due to his psychology background), I just haven't found anything I disagree with him on. Which is pretty amazing if you think about it.
Lastly, I also pretty much agree with his comedian analogy. In this case, the tyrant king would be the leftist mob and Dave made fun of something that he shouldn't so the 'king' wants him to shut the fuck up!
Seriously, comedians often make fun at whatever opportunity they got...whether on the right or on the left.
Bottomline is that I don't sense that folks like Dave and Jordan are hateful people. Maybe they're hiding their hatred well? Maybe I'm just too gullible? Or perhaps maybe I'm also a hateful person? Anyway, I know I'm not. Of course I'll watch out how I deliver my speech and not to ra**, no I meant, abuse my limited number of audiences.
He says that he wants to be challenged a lot, but when he is he dismisses it as the other person's problem with the person he is. It's just because he's white, and successful, and male. He's very opinionated and has a very strong conviction - one might say that he's stubborn and unwilling to listen to other voices that might disagree with him.
He speaks very eloquently and is surprisingly soft-spoken. I think he uses that to his advantage, because I think he's more than willing to believe that he's right about all things and dismiss anyone who disagrees as doing so because of who he is, not because of what he says.
Also, this is a massive red flag for me:
Why does that follow? How does he understand gender better than someone who is of a gender that he doesn't understand? Why would having a psychology background make him understand people's lived experiences better than they do? That's a pretty well known logical fallacy, "appeal to authority." I don't even see that he specialized in gender psychology when I look at the areas he's specialized in. If this opinion was that based in psychology, why aren't other psychologists saying the same thing and also being chased by the supposed "leftist mob?" There's a lot of "why specifically him" when it comes to his victim complex, and he never seems to think that it might be because of something he does or something he says. He's principal Skinner saying "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."
Anyway, onto the court jester thing. There's a huge difference between the opinion of so many people you can't avoid it and the opinion of the person at the head of power.
Many comedians don't make fun at whatever opportunity they get. That's part of the whole concept of "punching down." A lot of right wing comedians like to lionize George Carlin and bemoan that he could never be successful now and that's bullshit. Carlin was hugely careful about the targets he chose, and they were always the people in power. I've gone to a lot of comedy shows, listened to a lot of comedy albums, and am friends with some comics. They aren't just mockery-cannons that go after anything and everything. The noble goal is to speak truth to power, and the historically disenfranchised are not power.
I get that you don't think they're assholes. I think they are, or at the very least they act like assholes and do asshole-y things. I think now I've done you the courtesy of watching enough of Peterson that I'm not going to watch any more, because I find him wildly unpleasant and I don't want to spend my time listening to him. I've watched and listened to plenty of Chappelle, so I think I'm fine on that front.
Appreciate the courtesy, won’t be posting any more of him. I’d also apologize in advance if I sometimes end up sounding like him though.Hope my abusive language along with Peterson like rationale won’t cause you to get too sick? I’ll try my best to not be too unpleasant, but such is life? We can’t please everyone nor can we always agree with everyone?
I think even with Peterson, I take back what I said earlier, after thinking about it some more, I found out that I disagree with him on 2 things: his crazy diet and he views only totalitarian states have vaccine mandates.
Anyway, we all have our own beliefs/convictions. Peterson only has the hatred coming from the left. Interestingly he self identifies himself as a liberal! I personally think I’m liberal leaning as well, but some see me as a trump supporter probably? Just because I don’t quite fit in their liberal ideology?
The worst guy than Jordan would probably be Jesus. That’s a guy who was hated from all sides which resulted in crucifixion! Yeah, certainly he can’t play to be a victim. He pretty much asked for it. Not to mention his Dad supposedly planned it from the very beginning of time!
With Chappelle, he’s made fun of pretty much everyone. I really don’t think he’s really punching down to a group who are being trampled on, he has friends in that group! I think he’s just punching back at those threaten to cancel him. The powerless would pose no such threat…
Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; December 16th, 2021 at 08:55 PM.
It's not that you talk like him, it's that you use conversational tactics that he mentions. You often ask me to find faults in Obama or say something nice about Trump, for instance. It's something I notice - you have certain rhetorical devices you use a lot, and the times I've heard Peterson talk, he often mentions at least one of them.
As for Chappelle, it is an impossibility that he is punching back at those that threaten to cancel him. Nobody trans wanted to "cancel" him until he started started punching. He 100% threw the first punch. Don't forget, he was pretty much universally beloved up until a couple of years ago.
Interesting that I use similar conversation tactics… have to look into that… did I subconsciously copied him or was I like that before…
Anyway, Chappelle pretty much punched everyone. Whoever threatened to cancel him before? He had only canceled himself once. I agree not all trans wants him canceled, just the ones that could not take a joke.
Bottom line is that I don’t think Dave is a hateful person. If you don’t like his show, you don’t have to listen to it. If his not funny, let a comic be naturally canceled. Not need to apply PC pressure.
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