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    Quote Originally Posted by balki View Post
    Trucks already can't carry full loads of dense cargo because of highway weight restrictions, having a heavier energy storage type only makes 20 years seem optimistic, I'd actually be surprised if electric cars and SUVs outsold their ICE counterparts (including mild hybrids) before 2037:
    The Bolt and model 3 still don't pose a real threat to anything other then themselves (the Prius is nearly $10k cheaper).
    One thing to bear in mind is that cheaper fuel (ie, electricity) can change the economies. To contrive a simple example, if electricity is 1/4 the cost of gasoline, you can afford to field three smaller vehicles to carry the same load and still make more money. Perhaps a fleet of physically smaller, more efficient vehicles means more point to last mile shipments and fewer point to point to last mile shipments. Maybe instead of huge batteries, fuel companies build a network of battery-swapping facilities and we build trucks that can go 4 hours per pack and then get swapped, ensuring drivers have breaks and such along the way. Electric trucks don't have to be a plug & play replacement, they give us the opportunity to rethink the entire model.

    Battery construction will also change, and financial restrictions that face car builders needing to put together $35,000 passenger vehicles may not affect people building million dollar semis, or affect them in different ways - different packages, different materials. Different chemistries may also come into play - ten years ago, the Tesla Roadseter relied on lead acid batteries, but these days everything has switched to lithium ion. Maybe in another ten years we'll be able to scale out lithium polymer.

    There are a lot of pieces in motion, a lot of money pushing these technologies. Certainly unlikely everything is going to change suddenly, but twenty years is a long time in technology.

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    (mobile?) battery-swapping facilities will probably be mandatory for a while
    LiPo is just not a big enough step forward, but if we get close to a commercially viable Lithium–air battery then it's game over for fossil fueled vehicles

    I'd still bet Musk will send someone to Mars (in the 2040s, not 30s) before his cars or trucks make up 50% of new sales (short of some ICE ban or oil going up to $200/bbl)

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    Hybrid tech makes far more sense for big trucks right now that pure electric imo.

    Electric vehicles arent going away any time soon. Big manufacturers are dumping money into it. Cars motorcycles delivery trucks. Everything

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    I could see California getting serious about legislation - we take truck emissions [overly] seriously. I could see Musk bending that tendency to his will.

    If Musk is going to put someone on Mars in 2040, he's going to be doing a lot of work with graphene, and that's also a hell of a battery technology. Graphene EV batteries would be enormous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drachen596 View Post
    Hybrid tech makes far more sense for big trucks right now that pure electric imo.
    I'd agree with that. Onboard generators mean less weight borne for batteries, so that's an option.

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    Are you guys pretty sure that EVs are here to stay? So far the financial #s still don't make sense yet. Cost of EVs simply cannot beat IC cars if you consider life time cost...

    Anyway, it'll definitely be interesting to see whether if Elon dominates to car market first or get his ass to Mars 1st.

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    Li-air batteries:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia.org
    This is about 5 times greater than that of a commercial lithium-ion battery, and is sufficient to run a 2 ton fully electric vehicle (FEV) for ~500 km (310 miles) on one charge just using 60 kg of batteries.
    Is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by novicius View Post
    Li-air batteries:


    Is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy?
    Already old news! Check out li-o2!

    http://news.mit.edu/2016/new-lithium...longevity-0725

    Yeah, EVs are here to stay.

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    They are here to stay. The companies who have done the pioneering like Tesla have caught the attention of major manufacturers who are investing now.

    The Bolt 500e and similar are the results so far. More are coming. Big rig makers are seeing the interest that the Nikola and Tesla semis have gotten. Yamaha is working on electric motorcycles. Even Harley is still playing with their livewire bikes.

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    ...and Indian!

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