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    There’s a fine line between abusing employees and expecting high performing employees.

    Certainly not all cars are high performing cars, and naturally not all cars can be driven as such. Pushing and expecting a Civic to perform like a Ferrari is probably abuse but perhaps a high performer could handle Elon Musk as a driver just fine. So if Elon managed to hire a bunch of high performers and let the lowered performers be wash out or just leave voluntarily… no wonder he’s able to get ahead of his competition.

    However, if Elon is truly being unrealistic and abusing people, then Tesla and SpaceX burning out will just be a matter of time.

    We’ll just have to wait and see.

    The thing that’s easiest to see is wage. If employees are not even making living wages, that’s clearly abuse. Next would be hours. If employees must stay in the factory and sleep with him on the factory floor, that’s also clearly abuse!

    All the other stuffs, it should be between him and his employees, right? Just because you think it’s abuse doesn’t make it so. Just as just because you think Hillary should win, doesn’t mean everyone else agrees with you.

    When you start your own company, then you can decide what kind of boss you want to be. As long as there’s fair wage, reasonable hours and Elon not hitting on the employees, why should we interfere?

    Just out of curiosity, how would you guys interfere? Government intervention? Boycott his products? Tesla sure, but how do you plan on boycotting SpaceX?

    You guys don’t think there are other scummier billionaires to worry about?

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    btw, after rereading my post, I just want to clarify that I'm not implying retsmah is a low performer! I'm probably not high performing enough too considering how many posts I can make on this forum on a daily basis... Seriously, I have a friend/colleague who I thought is an amazing performer at our company... he makes more money than me and I do believe he's worth the company's every penny. He applied to SpaceX and got rejected. I think mainly due to the reason that he requested to be able to work more from home in order to avoid traffic... So anyway, yeah, SpaceX is pretty selective at picking their 'slaves'. I've never applied there, but after seeing what happened to my friend, my chances of working at SpaceX is probably not high either. Especially considering now that I've moved away.
    Oh, I have another older colleague, expert in composites. He got hired by Elon, but as soon as Elon decided to build steel starships, this old colleague of mine got let go. Luckily he's already at retirement age. He wanted to do something special with SpaceX at the twilight of his career, too bad that didn't work out. However, that's not capitalism's fault, right?

    Anyway, I just think it's important to make sure we all enjoy the same equal fundamental rights. We shouldn't allow fellow human beings to fall thru the crack by living under poverty. However, no need to strive for 'equality' by dragging all billionaires down to the same level as the rest of us. We just need to make sure they're not doing anything illegal and pay their fair share of taxes too. As long as they are making an 'honest' living, like I said, I don't see any problems with trillionaires. Not all cars are equal. Similarly, not everyone is equal. Capitalism simply allows higher performing folks with better fortunes to be able to get further ahead than the rest of us. Same goes with IQ as well. We are all born with different IQs, not equal IQs, all decided by luck or God. People with higher IQs will have better chance as succeeding. No need to make it harder for them to succeed further just because rest of us are too dumb to catch up. OTOH, society needs to take care of people with lower IQs... and don't view them as useless deplorables. I really don't see socialism as means for 'production'... it's just not realistic for everyone to be the boss of a company. We can at most be the bosses of our own lives and grow that way. Capitalism is really good for collective growth, as demonstrated by China. Socialism is good for collective careing for those who need a helping hand, as demonstrated by all the socialistic nations during an pandemic. I think we can have the best of both worlds. As much as I hate the CCP, I do believe China is probably utilizing both capitalism and socialism the most... I just wish China could have less totalitarianism... or at least be a 'nicer' totalitarian. Rather than constantly threatening Taiwan by force, show Taiwanese why it's so good to be part of China again... The day Dalai Lama feels safe to return home to Tibet is the day China will truly be great again. USA will definitely lose it's place as a global superpower then.
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    Looks like we've dodged a bullet, everyone's calling it for "no" on the recall in CA. Current state is 61% of the expected votes counted, "no" is leading 66.8% to 33.2%, LA Times, AP, and CNN have all called it. Getting reasonably close to the point where it's mathematically impossible for "yes" to catch back up.

    Larry Elder was getting > 40% of the vote for replacement. The state really needs to reform its recall system, pronto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Looks like we've dodged a bullet, everyone's calling it for "no" on the recall in CA. Current state is 61% of the expected votes counted, "no" is leading 66.8% to 33.2%, LA Times, AP, and CNN have all called it. Getting reasonably close to the point where it's mathematically impossible for "yes" to catch back up.

    Larry Elder was getting > 40% of the vote for replacement. The state really needs to reform its recall system, pronto.
    A strong rebuke of the republiQans by California voters. Proud of my home state.

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    CA's recall process is a bit scary. If more than 50% are unhappy enough with you, you can get recalled midterm... and then be replaced by one of 50 some odd guys on the list... and all it takes is one winner, regardless of how low of a percentage, to win.

    Could've easily elected another Trump into office.

    Governors won't be in office for life guys. If the guy sucks, make sure you get rid of him next term. No need to waste resources trying to remove the guy and then replace him with who knows how even more awful...

    I think people are not happy with how the dems and running CA, but for sure they don't want GQP running CA either. Not sure if I can be proud of CA, but I'm glad CA's general population is still sane and sensible.

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    In the news today it was revealed that the General of the Joint Chiefs or whatever went behind Trump's back after the events of January 6th, and conspired with other generals to take away his ability to launch nukes. Trump crying treason. Maybe it is treason, but I say taking lethal power out of the hands of a guy not in full control of his faculties can't ever be a bad thing. It's like Jaime Lannister stabbing the Mad King in the back before he could torch all of King's Landing. Not a bad thing at all.

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    Yes.

    However, I wish we could have a safety mechanism in place that could prevent a guy like that from becoming president in the 1st place... at the very minimum, we need to have something in place to make sure he can't run again.

    Even if we couldn't convict the guy during impeachments and Jan 6 thing... a simply tax return disclosure and conflict of interests requirements should make it much more difficult for somebody like Trump to run. If you want to keep your taxes private, then don't be a public servant. If you have more important business interests that you want to keep, don't become a public servant.

    I think other congressfolks don't want to make this into actual laws because they themselves probably have something to hide as well... pretty pathetic. Now that Trump has broken 'tradition', wonder if more future candidates will become more like him...

    Seriously, we need better 'filters' so that we don't end up with crappy candidates on the ballots in the 1st place.

    Yes, the mass can be stupid, so maybe democracy isn't the best thing..., but if we don't have good choices for stupid people to choose from, what do we expect? (For Neanderthal, Hillary isn't bad I suppose, but she has simply lost people's trust. At least my trust.)

    I'd rather not rely on those generals. Those generals are typically the ones who'd love to engage in forever wars. However, at least they are more sensible than Trump I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Larry Elder was getting > 40% of the vote for replacement. The state really needs to reform its recall system, pronto.
    Most people didn't even make a replacement selection.

    No one(blank) 44.7%
    Larry Elder 26.0%
    Kevin #1 5.4%
    Kevin #2 4.8%

    So, if Newsome lost. The person with barely over 25%would have represented the entire state.

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    Scary.

    I think any recall should be a 2-step process. 1: Constituents remove of executive from office, 2: Legislature or Judiciary appoints temporary executive with powers limited to organizing a special election.
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    To me, it seems that the conservative South still haven't learned their lessons post civil war...

    It continues to be about defying federal government's over reach and personal freedom... Hey, I'm all about personal freedom and preventing the federal government from becoming a dictator, but can't you have some sympathy for other people's freedom? Are you sure God doesn't see black people as humans? Are you really sure God thinks your kind of slavery is okay? Are you sure God has given you sufficiently strong immune system that you won't end up crowding the hospitals?

    I really think dems should forget about mandates. Just give people the get out of masks and vaccine cards... and also at the back of the card, clearly state that if they got infected by Covid, they will NOT be accepted in hospitals so that our hospitals won't be strained so much that other people who are sick need to delay their procedures...

    All the vaccines that americans don't want, distribute to the rest of the world.

    Just like God's salvation. Give only to those who wants it. If people don't want it, no need to shove it down their throats. Just accept that we will continue to have variants and this will become the new flu... we'll just be regularly getting shots from now on. Those who are vulnerable and stupid will just die I guess.
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