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    Jr is an unaccountable mouthpiece that gets to say the awful things Trump wants to but (somehow even he) can’t as president. It’s vile.

    Can’t wait to see Will Arnett play his part in some kind of future satire.

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    So is there a line that you can draw that shows the boundary between slightly nuts and compete crackpot? I think this can define that difference somewhat.

    I cannot believe that we live in a world where this sort of thing is considered with a straight face by some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yw-slayer View Post
    Man, this is so funny. Gogogo Billi's favourite executive!!!
    Right?!

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    I watched five minutes of that mess. That was enough.

    #mutehismike

    Moderators are supposed to make sure the question is answered. Trump was asked, directly, about covid deaths. He pivoted immediately to businesses. There was no follow up. There was no course correction.

    #hedidn'tmoderateatall

    The people who lost yesterday was anybody who watched that shit.

    I don't drink but I fortified myself with alcohol in preparation. Even then I could only watch those 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal View Post
    I watched five minutes of that mess. That was enough.

    #mutehismike

    Moderators are supposed to make sure the question is answered. Trump was asked, directly, about covid deaths. He pivoted immediately to businesses. There was no follow up. There was no course correction.

    #hedidn'tmoderateatall

    The people who lost yesterday was anybody who watched that shit.

    I don't drink but I fortified myself with alcohol in preparation. Even then I could only watch those 5 minutes.
    I think Wallace did the best he could trying to control someone who is uncontrollable and drowns people in bullshit very quickly. It was kind of satisfying hearing him talk back/down to Trump. Every reporter that has tried in the White House press room has had their legs cut out from under them.

    I'm relieved to know there will be more debates between Trump and Biden. I thought it was only the disastrous one from last night. I wasn't impressed with Biden's performance, I have to be honest. He looked low on energy and couldn't find his voice at times. You can't do that against a bully like Trump who will talk over him every chance he gets. Some people are born to debate, others not. I once saw an interview with Neil DeGrasse Tyson who said he doesn't engage in debates with pseudoscientists because it's not about the facts. Facts and substance don't mean much when the opponent brings only style and a mastery of deflection. It’s always risky going up against a seasoned debater, especially one who’s very skilled at evasive tactics and weaponizing his propaganda so effectively to push your buttons, all while sitting back looking smug.

    Biden won in the fact-check department by a mile but facts already don't mean shit to Trump supporters. We need to see him speak forcefully, if he has the energy and stamina to do it. I almost thought we were going to see it last night when he was talking about his late son who was in the military. He showed some spunk and passion in that topic, but if he capped it off with calling Trump a "sick son of a bitch" on live TV it would've helped greatly. I think the whole target of these debates are those people on the fence, and I don't think Biden really convinced anyone to jump to his side.

    Thankfully he'll have another couple of chances.

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    We, the Spanish-speaking people of América, are mourning the loss Joaquin Lavado Tejón, Quino. A cartoonist who, since 1964, was responsible for turning generations of us to the good side.



    Roughly translated:

    -Good morning, sweet child! Is the head of the family home?
    -In this family we have no bosses, we're a cooperative.
    Last edited by FaultyMario; September 30th, 2020 at 10:11 AM.
    acket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandydandy View Post
    I think Wallace did the best he could trying to control someone who is uncontrollable and drowns people in bullshit very quickly. It was kind of satisfying hearing him talk back/down to Trump. Every reporter that has tried in the White House press room has had their legs cut out from under them.

    I'm relieved to know there will be more debates between Trump and Biden. I thought it was only the disastrous one from last night. I wasn't impressed with Biden's performance, I have to be honest. He looked low on energy and couldn't find his voice at times. You can't do that against a bully like Trump who will talk over him every chance he gets. Some people are born to debate, others not. I once saw an interview with Neil DeGrasse Tyson who said he doesn't engage in debates with pseudoscientists because it's not about the facts. Facts and substance don't mean much when the opponent brings only style and a mastery of deflection. It’s always risky going up against a seasoned debater, especially one who’s very skilled at evasive tactics and weaponizing his propaganda so effectively to push your buttons, all while sitting back looking smug.

    Biden won in the fact-check department by a mile but facts already don't mean shit to Trump supporters. We need to see him speak forcefully, if he has the energy and stamina to do it. I almost thought we were going to see it last night when he was talking about his late son who was in the military. He showed some spunk and passion in that topic, but if he capped it off with calling Trump a "sick son of a bitch" on live TV it would've helped greatly. I think the whole target of these debates are those people on the fence, and I don't think Biden really convinced anyone to jump to his side.

    Thankfully he'll have another couple of chances.
    Perception is a mutha fucker ain't it.

    Most of the tweets I saw regarding the debate debacle alluded to the ... uncontrolled nature of it (i'm trying not not harp on specifics like the Proud Boys non moment.) And how the moderator was basically useless. Something that I agree with.

    I saw one tweet that made me pause in my own criticism of Biden. It said that in the chaos and flurry of words that was Trump, and was reflective of his presidency, Biden was a sea of calm. And I hadn't really thought about that. And maybe that's what he was trying to project.

    To you and I (most men i think) we saw Biden essentially cowering to Trump (cowering is a strong word, but bear with me.) But to many women, they saw their abusive/ manipulative/ alcoholic ex in Trump's behaviour. Maybe he was trying to highlight how deranged Trump is.


    If he'd called Trump a sick son of a bitch the media would've glommed onto that harder than why he even said it. The right wing talk shows and Fuax would be all atwitter about the crassness of Biden and it would be all they talked about for the next three weeks. YOU. KNOW. THIS. For reference see; her emails, Benghazi, he wore a tan suit.
    The media have not challenged Trump at all. They haven't called him out when he lies. They haven't called his lies "lies." They've been complicit in his elevation and in maintaining him elevated.

    I, was impressed that Biden, a stutterer mind you, who has taught himself not to stutter and to be a competent public speaker, was able to keep himself composed for the little that I watched.

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    Biden really needs to take a firm stand on something... especially under such a polarizing environment.

    At least Trump is clear on where he stands on whatever BS he was saying... Biden seemed kinda afraid to take a leftward stand.

    Biden is reminding me of Elizabeth Warren... she was trying to please both the corporate moderates and the progressives at the same time... obviously that strategy didn't work out for her...

    It's kinda sad that socialism is such a dirty word in America... even for a liberal democrat. Biden seemingly couldn't agree with socialism. If socialism is that evil, we might as well let the right repeal social security and medicare as well? Why couldn't a liberal candidate at least try to explain the benefits of socialism rather than act as if socialism is indeed as bad and unacceptable as the right believes?

    Also, republicans' 'fix' has always been to just dismantle everything socialistic, so after everything is repealed, then what?

    Just buy medicine from another country? Also what does it mean to sign an executive order to force insurance companies to accept patients with preexisting conditions? Why is he making such a mandate on the poor insurance companies? How is his plan different from making healthcare more affordable just like the plan he's trying to repeal?

    Anyway, Biden just seemed to be on the defensive most of the time... and the sad thing was that Biden was being attack by a bunch of BS and he seemed to have a hard time defending against BS.

    Attack more forcefully O'Biden, you're our only hope.

    Kinda wish Warren were the nominee and she'll probably be able to chew him out better..., but then again, maybe not... she'll probably have to end up defending pocahontas for the entire 90 minutes...

    Would Bernie do better? Not sure, but at least Bernie would be louder with higher energy levels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rare White Ape View Post
    So is there a line that you can draw that shows the boundary between slightly nuts and compete crackpot? I think this can define that difference somewhat.

    I cannot believe that we live in a world where this sort of thing is considered with a straight face by some people.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by neanderthal View Post
    I saw one tweet that made me pause in my own criticism of Biden. It said that in the chaos and flurry of words that was Trump, and was reflective of his presidency, Biden was a sea of calm. And I hadn't really thought about that. And maybe that's what he was trying to project.
    That, I understand. But will it "win" the debate and/or the election?

    Anyway. I was at a place which had a special American Breakfast menu. I had (minute) steak and eggs. At around 40 minutes in I felt like stress-eating because someone just wouldn't shut the fuck up. So I ordered chicken and waffles and ate that too. Obviously it wasn't as good as the chicken and waffles I'd had in Oakland, but it was still good. I also got to skip lunch.

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