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    That can't tell you if and wehn he was looking at Twitter or something though, only when a text would be sent, or call made. Hell, he could have been in the middle of typing an email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    They are? I've always heard they have to be subpoenaed and that's a huge legal headache. Heck, as part of my job I've had to call a couple phone companies to get copies of invoice for phones my employer owns (or pays for), and you'd think I was trying to get inside the White House with a sword or something the way I've been treated by these companies: "YOUR NAME IS NOT ON THIS ACCOUNT! WE ARE DISPATCHING POLICE TO YOUR LOCATION IMMEDIATELY!!!1!"
    We subpoena cell phone records *all the time*.

    I just subpoena'd the office's phone records - it wasn't that big of a deal all said and done. Some boilerplate language and a process server to deliver it.

    I have subsequently learned that if your phone has some sort of bulk calling plan, there are no records. Thus, if I'm going to start harassing people over the phone I am definitely doing it from work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freude am Fahren View Post
    That can't tell you if and wehn he was looking at Twitter or something though, only when a text would be sent, or call made. Hell, he could have been in the middle of typing an email.
    This is true, data is not tracked to the second or even the minute. So don't text and drive, email and drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freude am Fahren View Post
    That can't tell you if and wehn he was looking at Twitter or something though, only when a text would be sent, or call made. Hell, he could have been in the middle of typing an email.
    A call alone will leave you in the shitter but they can also look at the person's phone itself I believe. I'll check on this.

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    They can, but that's why you should put a passcode on your iphone so the filesystem is encrypted and the cellbrite can't get the info. It's gone both ways in court, but as often as not you cannot be compelled to reveal the passcode under the 5th Amendment (because revealing it might cause you to incriminate yourself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesameguy View Post
    They can, but that's why you should put a passcode on your iphone so the filesystem is encrypted and the cellbrite can't get the info. It's gone both ways in court, but as often as not you cannot be compelled to reveal the passcode under the 5th Amendment (because revealing it might cause you to incriminate yourself).
    Police can hack that fairly easily.

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    Nope. Not since IOS4 when Apple started encrypting the file system on a file-by-file basis. Local PDs virtually all use cellbrites, and cellbrites do not support decrypting iphones. The only way to get data off a locked iphone is to jailbreak it, acquire the filesystem image, retrieve the keys (borderline impossible), and decrypt all the files. It isn't easy, and isn't reliable. It's well beyond what most police departments and even most specialists can do. This is FBI-level hacking for the most part.

    eg: http://www.darthnull.org/2014/10/06/ios-encryption
    Last edited by thesameguy; February 9th, 2015 at 12:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutton View Post
    Allegedly the car Jenner rear-ended had already rear-ended another car. Phone records are pretty easy to check, so the police should be able to prove that one way or the other.
    When I was younger, I rear ended another car after that car rear ended someone else. I was at fault for my portion, though I still maintain that I was keeping a safe distance and if the car in front of me had stopped in a normal distance, I never would have been close. However, since it really quickly went from about 35mph to 0, I couldn't stop in time.

    I don't think that applies here though. The view from an Escalade's driver's seat should be high enough to see ahead of the Lexus to the Prius in front of it. I think his impact on the Lexus was completely avoidable.

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    This reminds me of General Motors cars having "ABS" badges on their trunks back when anti-lock brakes first came out.

    At the time, I was driving a rear-engine car with four drum brakes and the gas tank above my knees, so I paid attention.

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