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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBenior View Post
    I found the problem.
    You are victim-blaming. Misogyny is the problem, not where a woman chooses to socialize.

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    I’m assuming she endured misogyny from Bernie bros only because she likes Bernie and doesn’t believe he’s also misogynistic?

    This is similar to me enduring other Christians because I love Christ.

    People have to understand that sometimes there will be a group of supporters that may not fully represent the person or the cause they’re supporting. Violent protesters for example, shouldn’t make their cause wrong, but I can understand people end up losing sympathy for their cause…

    Anyway, to blame Bernie Sanders when dems lost to trump is more like victim blame. At least Biden won this time, so the only thing Warren could blame him on is that he’s a sexist and doesn’t believe a woman could win!
    Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; May 29th, 2021 at 07:28 AM.

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    I liked this thread on Twitter from Will Stancil. I'm unrolling it here (and fixing a significant typo he made, but you can't edit tweets).

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Stancil
    One thing you see a lot on here is people pointing out the contradictions in the putative views of Trump's GOP. COVID is a Chinese plot but also a hoax. The insurrection was antifa but also a tour of patriots. What people need to understand that is that these contradictions aren't a SYMPTOM of Trumpism. They point to its very core - its emotional, psychological appeal to millions of Americans. The ability to sustain these contradictions is why Trump was elected, how his movement exists.

    Ultimately what Trump offers - what fascism offers - is a philosophy of total emotional and psychological indulgence. Believe whatever makes you feel best. Live your politics unexamined.

    Don't want to take credit for the insurrection but want to claim its dead as your martyrs? Go ahead! Say it! The capitol was attacked by antifa but Ashlii Babbit was a hero patriot. Hate China but annoyed by the scolding liberals and their masks? Call the coronavirus a Democratic hoax - and at the same time, a deadly foreign bioweapon.

    Voters aren't drawn to Trump's politics because of a specific policy view or really even an ideology. They're drawn to them because those politics say, "Please, think whatever is easiest. Indulge your laziest ideas and basest prejudices. There are no rules. Save one. You must support the leader. You cannot abandon the leader. Support for the leader absolves you of the burden of rationality and the sin of inconsistency. Indeed, faith in the leader can be proven by embracing irrationality and rejecting consistency. Prove your faith."

    That's why Trumpism and fascism reliably attract the worst and the weakest, the dumb, the selfish, and the cowardly. It's an endlessly flexible vessel for their worst vices, willing to forgive anything and let them do anything in exchange for loyalty to the strongman.

    The mistake American political thinkers keep making is to try to link Trump to pre-existing ideology. There are ideas associated with Trumpism, of course, but they are the symptom: what happens when you let people indulge in whatever fleeting hate takes their fancy. You can't understand Trump's rise without looking at this deeper psychological appeal. This is his promise to his voters, it's why nothing his movement says or believes makes sense and no one seems to care.

    It's also why we can't triangulate or maneuver his supporters away from him. They don't really want any of what we're offering anyway - they want the freedom to do and think whatever they feel at any moment, something no liberal of any description could ever promise.

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    People are mad. Anger is an emotional response and can’t be reasoned with.

    Only way is to help ease Americans’ anger.

    How can we make anger on both sides subside?

    I have to say it’ll be much harder to defund the police and to make white people pay some sort of retribution/reparations …, but something like improving education, healthcare, infrastructure, living wages can definitely help poor people in both sides.

    Unfortunately our government with money printing machine just can’t afford to improve the lives of average Americans… so we continue to fight each other and kick our problems to some future date as if that’s something we can afford to do.

    Trumpism and red states definitely have their share of problems. However, CA and liberal states have theirs too. I recalled an old movie back in 93 called demolition man portrayed what CA would be like in 2030s…

    I think we’re slowly getting there. I don’t see how Taco Bell could become that awesome, but I’m guessing soon our homeless tent people will have to start to live underground soon?

    Gap between our rich and poor is really too wide. It is mind boggling to me that some people not only refuse to listen to Bernie, but actually wants to crucify him.

    I guess my point is that even if we could pray trump and all republicans away, america will remain in a wrong trajectory. The anger shall remain and trump2 will rise up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam View Post
    You are victim-blaming. Misogyny is the problem, not where a woman chooses to socialize.
    Twitter is not at all representative of normal people. Gab is probably the only social media format that's less healthy.

    It's had a problem with incentivizing petty/snarky/bad behavior from the beginning. People with roses in their profiles tend to think that full-on socialism (collectivizing ownership, not Western European market economies with generous welfare states) is a workable form of government/economic system despite all evidence to the contrary. Get them talking, they'll willingly tell you about how great violent revolution, political executions, and gulags are (like a couple of Bernie campaign staffers who were caught on hidden camera). The Nazis have largely been exiled from Twitter or willingly gone to Gab, but Twitter still has a lot of the fringe leftists.

    Step in a cesspool, you might get shit on your shoes.

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    Just for the record, I’m not for full on socialism like what had already been tried in Russia and China.

    However, considering how much we’ve been pulled to the right, we probably do need someone like Bernie to pull things more to the left to balance things out a bit.

    Until dems no longer have anyone like Joe Manchin and GOP somehow end up with more liberal folks, our nation will just keep on drifting right, and this rightward drift will inevitably widen the wealth gap… and voter resentment will continue to grow and leaving the door wide open for someone like trump.

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    While I agree with TheBenoir's point about stepping in cesspools, I ultimately agree more with Cam's point that it's more the fault of the cesspool maintainer having a cesspool as one of the biggest destinations on the internet than it is the person who wandered into the cesspool.

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    Allowing misogyny to thrive in one corner of the internet will normalise it for a subset of people, thus allowing it to spread and cause women to become the targets of real-life misogyny.

    The same applies to all forms of bigotry.

    Women should feel safe and welcome to participate in all areas and at all times.

    This does not need to be said in 2021 FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBenior View Post
    Blah...
    You're still victim-blaming. Is that how you do your police work? "Oh, you were raped? I'm sorry to hear that, ma'am. Have you tried looking more ugly?"

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    He ain't shit. And like billi, he stays being wrong too

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