Yes, especially nowadays when all the mtgs are virtual, boring mtgs definitely would suck the oxygen out of me and cause me to doze off…Originally Posted by 2ndMoparMan
Yes, especially nowadays when all the mtgs are virtual, boring mtgs definitely would suck the oxygen out of me and cause me to doze off…
I see mtg I immediately think magic the gathering
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This is the sort of shit I’m talking about. There’s been clear and concerted efforts, especially since 2016, to divide the left. It’s not always bots or whatever, it’s bad actors pushing narratives, and getting gullible folks riled up.
It's quite amazing FB and FEC seemed to not care what was happening...
However, it's easy to divide the left... the centrists and the leftists already don't like each other very much. In fact, the centrists would rather work with the rightists rather than the leftists. Of course the main problem was that the Trumpists ended up hijacking the rightists...
Anyway, the centrists need to figure out where do they stand. Are they closer to Bernie Sanders or they rather go along with Joe Manchin? I think the answer is already pretty clear. Who the F cares about Bernie Sanders. Nobody likes him. That's why it only took them $2,467.54 worth of concerted efforts to split the dems up.
A conservative who call himself a democrat..., that's essentially the definition of a centrist, right?
Time to sow some discord on the other side! Wonder if we can make some republicans more liberal?
Only way is probably for Sanders to attract more blue collar conservatives. Maybe Sanders need to stop calling himself democratic socialist... and just call himself a democratic unionist? Conservative working class are not against unions, right?
Anyway, considering the divide between rich and poor has accelerated, I do believe the 'establishment's' days are numbered. Either we have an overhaul and make things fairer and more authentic or the next insurrection will probably be a successful one.
Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; June 11th, 2021 at 11:43 AM.
"When America sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they are taking those problems with them".
Notorious for his presence in viral video of Israeli home thefts in Jerusalem’s Sheikh Jarrah, “Yaakov Fauci” is actually a federally charged con artist from Long Island named Justin Fauci.
acket.
Moderate Dems (or “centrists”) and Progressives have way more in common than not, imo, but keep trying to push that narrative.
In regards to Manchin, he’s just about the best the Democratic Party is going to get in WV, it’s either someone that votes with Republicans ~50% of the time, or someone that votes with Republicans ~100% of the time. Is it frustrating? Sure, but he’s probably the best we can do there.
I totally agree dems shouldn’t be that divided!
Everyone agrees with raising the min wage! Only the few Joe Manchin types cannot get on board with that.
Are we sure that’s the best we can do in those states? Plenty of conservative voters are okay with living wages. It’s only the corporate bought and paid for politicians are against living wages.
And the reality is that Biden and dems are more willing to work with republicans politicians than with voters. Just because those politicians said no, doesn’t mean their constituents are totally with them!
If dems wish to win more votes from voters, why not do the things voters really want?
Republicans can do a much better job at making corporations happy. They don’t really need the Democratic corporate centrists doing a half ass job for them.
Dems need to do some soul searching and figure out who are they working for and what’s their vision….
To be ‘normal’ is great after trump and pandemic, but being normal and center and average is usually not a good recipe for success.
Conservative voters may be ok with things like living wages, or even universal healthcare when asked a question as unbiased as possible in polling… but they are not at all ok with things like abortions, or gun restrictions. “Single issue voting” really decides where people vote more often than we think.
Dems need to try to steer voters away from single issues… because obviously it hasn’t been working. Moderate/centrists by definition are just not that passionate about any single issues. It also doesn’t make sense for dems to become pro guns and against choice like Manchin. WTF are you still a dem if you’re actually a Republican?
Only way to win voters over is by doing what voters actually want.
Things like gay marriage is also slowly shifting. People just are not going to change positions with debates, but as people get to know more and more gays, in their own families, attitudes just might shift. As for abortion issues, it’s really a none issue. Birth rate is down. Abortion is also down. It’s really really stupid for us to be stuck on this issue. There are much bigger things for us to worry about than that single issue.
Biden is currently doing well not because of any single issue, but because he’s getting things done. I just wish he could take the opportunity to do more…
Eventually once normalcy is achieved, voters will want more. What more can dems offer?
Modern trends has been W fucks up, okay let’s give Obama a try. Normalcy achieved, we want trump! Then trump fucks up, then let’s give Biden a try…
Dems need to have something voters actually want. Not just somebody to clean up republicans messes.
IMHO, there’s no way Biden could win if we never had Covid. Trump the idiot should be able to easily win re-election.
Dems really need to do better, and not just count on luck.
Seriously Neanderthal, I don’t hate the dems, I really just want it to be better. But I think you represent the dems very well. You don’t think there’s anything wrong with the dems, it’s always the fault of the republicans and the progressives…
Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; June 12th, 2021 at 07:33 AM.
*You're always attacking the Democrats. Always. No fire for the Republicans. I'd literally be complaining abbout Trumps detention centers and you'd be saying black lives don't matter, so fuck you.
*I don't think the Democrats are perfect. I've stated, very often, for instance, that they are exceptionally poor at messaging.
*Well, being that most of society's problems can be traced back to Nixon, Reagan, Bush, etc and their policies, nevermind the Koch Brothers influence over conservative policy over the last half century, the dogged determination to abolish taxes, which, as I think you should know, provide funding for the commons, for social services, social purposes, and it's invariably the poor, the brown and black people that are harmed most by the reductions in tax money for the governments at all levels, yes, I can squarely place the blame on the conservatives.
If you want me to go all in on the Progressives, I can.
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