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    Quote Originally Posted by IMOA View Post
    The writers of that article apparently disagree with you
    Well, that article is just relaying what was reported by the New York Times. And, you know, you can say the NYT is lying, but just be aware that that basically brings you down to a Donald Trump level of rhetoric. But hey, if that's where you want to go, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Wexler
    republicans are the true snowflakes (they're all white, they're cold, and if you put enough of em together they'll shut down public schools)
    https://twitter.com/mrbenwexler/stat...20081320816641

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    facepalm
    Last edited by neanderthal; February 7th, 2017 at 06:56 PM.

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    Did you confuse slm for billi?

    Tom Swervo, follow Jesus with all your heart and be the light and salt of the world..., and you'd be able to melt all the snow!!!!
    Last edited by Crazed_Insanity; February 7th, 2017 at 06:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Did you confuse slm for billi?
    I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For one hot minute there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Trump has been unpredictable so far, market has also had a bit of melt up thus far... So we have a bit of buffer if your prediction comes true.

    Anyway, I wasn't that hopeful with either Hillary or trump, I'm also not feeling as hopeless with either in the White House...

    The fact that trump team can't find light switches in the White House is actually a plus to me... Because that means he doesn't have any established insiders there!
    A bit of a buffer? I'm not talking about a minor correction here.

    Yup, no establishment people in this cabinet... nope, none at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Tom Swervo, follow Jesus with all your heart and be the light and salt of the world..., and you'd be able to melt all the snow!!!!
    Naah. I like Slayer too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    See, you yourself would agree that earlier protests might not prevented Hitler's rise. Protests later on would become nearly impossible.
    No. Because protests against the Trump "administration" are not like Protests against Hitler might have been.

    Because as you say, we have a 241-year-old Democracy with stable institutions and we have an economy in pretty good shape.

    Germany in 1933 had been a succession of different states, monarchies, principalities, and democracies for years, had been devastated by a major war in which a huge number of Germans were killed only 15 years earlier, and had then been in a state of economic collapse for more than a decade.

    There is more chance of protest succeeding in a functioning society than in one that genuinely is torn to pieces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Just like Hitler, Trump's rise was very similar in fashion. Protests might work on typical politicians, but not with those who campaigned with the message of fear, anger and bigotry. These types simply won't give a damn what you're protesting about. You'd be wasting your breath.
    But again, a LARGE majority of people in the United States do not want to live in a dictatorship or a country without the rule of law - probably 60-70% of them, even people who supported Trump but now may regret that decision (and really, who wouldn't). So protest here and now is, as I said above, not like protest in 1933 Germany.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    By the time I think Trump needs to be contained like that, I'd most likely join the rebellion than just a protest.
    But again, protests now prevent revolution later. And most people don't want revolution or civil war.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Best case scenario is that he ended up making America and the rest of the world great again!
    Don't hold your breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_SS View Post
    DeVos being confirmed is a joke but she has no real power. The Secretary of Education does not rule over the nations schools. IMO, you probably won't hear another peep out of her. For example, who was President Obama's Secretary of Education?
    Arne Duncan served from 2009 to 2015, and he was honestly terrible at that job.

    If Republicans had focused on criticizing things of substance rather than freaking out over Obama's skin color, perhaps that would've been a legitimate area to criticize Obama and try to fix the problem of an inadequate or poor performing secretary. There were plenty of legit things to criticize under Obama's tenure - almost all of which were totally ignored by Republicans in favor of high-profile wastes of money like the Benghazi hearings or absurd discussions of death panels and Kenya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    I think they like her mainly because she's "pro-choice" with schools. We don't have to be stuck in the lousy public school system. She will most likely push to give parents the options to go to whatever school they like...
    Some of them like her because they believe in Charter Schools, which of course siphon off good students from regular schools and make those schools even poorer performers.

    Some of them like her because they understand she will be terrible for Public Education and they're okay with that because they want to destroy public education.

    Some of them like her because she's all about forcing Religion on kids. As long as it's Jesus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    This is just like healthcare... liberals want one a single public system, but conservatives want to allow free market to work it's magic to deliver the best product at the cheapest price.
    It's not at all like healthcare.

    But many people do want a functional, high-quality, public education system. Because EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRY HAS THAT, and also BECAUSE THAT SHIT WORKS.

    I'll also say that "letting the free market handle it" has generally failed to deliver cheaper, higher quality services, or better outcomes where it has been tried in most areas that were formerly public. Private Prisons, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Both sides want the same end result, we want good and affordable healthcare or schools or whatever... they just have totally different approaches.
    "Both Sides" don't want the same result. One side wants an educated, capable workforce. The other side doesn't see the value in education at all, because the more people learn, the more they question the world views that Conservative politicians rely on. It's why Conservative pols are so hostile to education of any kind.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rikadyn View Post
    Perhaps it is because the opposition has been the one trying for decades to hamstring educational system (and succeeding) to prove that it doesn't work and we should just forget about educating people who can't afford to buy it.
    That is how Conservatives work. They break the apparatus' and institutions of government on purpose, and then claim those institutions don't work. They've been doing it for years, but it got much more pronounced after the 1994 mid-terms.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    For decades, democrats for whatever reasons just can't win over the opposition. We've been experiencing gridlock with neither side willing to give.
    Every time the census is taken, congressional districts are redrawn. They can also be redrawn at other times, but generally that's when it happens. Republicans have controlled congress and statehouses at key times during the census process, and they've made a point to specifically redraw districts after capturing state legislatures - ensuring that they sit in gerrymandered majorities. Democrats do this too, but to a lesser extent. The Republicans made a specific plan of doing this in the late 2000s and have used that plan to effectively disenfranchise millions of Democratic voters, who may outnumber Republicans but who's numbers are not reflected in the makeup of state legislatures, who then hold the keys to the district maps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Trump was elected fair and square. This education secretary was confirmed fair and squared... it's just unbelievable how they just barely make the grades..., but hey, they're doing it fair and square. Let's see if they can make america great again. If not, then the tide will be turned.

    This warrants a separate post in and of itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Trump was elected fair and square.
    Except for the highly partisan way in which voting rights were restricted in key states, the blatant interference at the FBI by Trump partisans, particularly Rudy Giuliani, that led to James Comey’s huge Hatch Act violation, and the Russian meddling in terms of putting out propaganda that influenced low-information voters. He was not Elected fair and square. He’ll always have an asterisk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    This education secretary was confirmed fair and squared..
    Except for the fact that she donated, collectively, several million dollars directly to the Senators that confirmed her. She’s a major donor to more than 30 of them and in particular those who got her advanced from committee to the full Senate.

    Those she donated to ignored hundreds of thousands of calls, e-mails, and letters from their constituents begging them to vote “no.”

    It’s a bought and paid for seat. Period.

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