Just getting caught up on the news about Charlottesville. Jesus Christ.
As a Canadian living in a small hotbed of Ontarian white supremacy, I worry for the future.
Just getting caught up on the news about Charlottesville. Jesus Christ.
As a Canadian living in a small hotbed of Ontarian white supremacy, I worry for the future.
apparently, reading Twitter, Trump just had a news conference where he defended the protestors, Robert E. Lee, Nazis and anyone else on the "right"....and then proceeded to villify the "left".
I guess I'll watch it tonight....but seems like he's finally come completely unhinged! this is a great turning point because the GOP will HAVE to run far away from him now
Oh, so it was just the running over people part that he was condemning yesterday?
JFC
Originally Posted by David Duke
Probably an overstatement, but it was indeed a clusterfuck. He went back to "bad people on both sides" but added "some nationalists are fine people" and tried to explain why Robert E. Lee is effectively the same as Washington or Jefferson. It's not so much that he's become unhinged, but he's having a hard time rationalizing his narcissism and condemning people he perceives as his supporters. Quite a train wreck.
Just to be clear that I'm not a white supremacist sympathizer nor am I a Trump supporter..., they are clearly problematic. No argument there.
However, the 'right' is not the only cancer growing in American politics. There's a twin cancer developing... Antifa is a leftist group ready to violently clash with the white supremacists.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40930831
Hate will only beget more hate. If we don't somehow contain this, this great nation of ours will self destruct thanks to these 2 terrorist groups without any need of nuclear missiles coming from NK or anywhere else...
trust me Billi, everyone knows where you stand on things!
You're not wrong.
It is, I suppose, a natural and expected response to this anachronistic nationalist movement, but I'm personally not willing to summarily reject the idea of government or capitalism yet, and I suspect neither are most people. Working for change outside the system - whether in pursuit of anarchy or just using anarchistic methodologies - just can't be good for society. I guess I may approve of their ends, but it's pretty tough to justify their means.However, as their name indicates, Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy.
Unlike the mainstream left, they do not seek to gain power through traditional channels - winning elections and passing bills into law.
Antifa is anti-government and anti-capitalist, and their methodologies are often perceived as more closely aligned with anarchists than the mainstream left.
Antifa does not shy away from militant protest methods, including the destruction of property and sometimes physical violence.
I don't know much about Anti-fa but they do seem like anarchist and just using the term "anti-fa" in a similar way as the "alt-right"...to soften the reality of who they really are.
Having said that, I don't think anti-fa has a larger group of support to their cause the way the "alt-right" does.
I don't know the specifics, but Antifa ("Anti Fascist") is a global movement and "alt-right" is essentially domestic. Since Antifa is in the vein of Anonymous - a loose collective - and "alt-right" isn't any sort of formal group at all it'd be tough to compare memberships. I think some of the best estimates would be based on places "these people" go - like Storm Front vs. It's Going Down. No idea what those numbers look like, but after last weekend I'll bet it's going to change dramatically.
What makes me the saddest about both this yin and yang is that they are strong indications that the government is letting people down. We should look on secret, extremist groups with disdain instead of thinking they might make sense, or they're not entirely wrong. FFS, Antifa's origins are in pre-Nazi Germany... we shouldn't need something like that in 2017, in America. That's pathetic. If it's truly of the people, by the people, for the people then solutions should be ready and available through government. I strongly agree they're likely not.. I'm just not willing to throw in the towel yet. I do hope the powers that be come to their sense real soon. I'd really like to finish the Viggen's top before I have to punch a klansman.
Last edited by thesameguy; August 15th, 2017 at 03:12 PM.
Back when Herr Drumpf was elected I wrote a post to Trump voters saying basically that regardless of why they voted for him they were ok with racism. It was far more eloquent than that. But, never mind.
Here we are.