Philisophical political thread...

[Crazed_Insanity]

quick google landed me this:

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/wh...-of-rape-31767

I think falsely accusing someone could land you in jail, but in cases of rape or sexual assaults, I think police and prosecutors don't really want to make too big of a deal about that to scare off real rape/assault victims.

[Tom Servo]

From the other thread.

nowadays it seems it’s the men always end up with the short end of the stick.

I'm unsure how to take this other than "it's worse for accused men than raped women".

[Crazed_Insanity]

It legitimately worries me that, in my opinion, you keep sticking to this idea that lots of men do bad things, and that there's a ton of excuses for them. I'll agree that many men do bad things. Most of them don't. The ones who do bad things make me question their judgment. It makes me question that they'll be good senators, or supreme court justices, or presidents. You'll notice none of this happened to Gorsuch. We all get that you're upset about what happened to Franken, but maybe try framing it less that he was the victim of other people and instead the victim of his own self. He had agency when he did what he did, nobody made him do what he did. I'd be fucking livid if someone did that to me, and I feel like rightfully so. Being a comedian isn't carte blanche to do what you want to other people, and most people understand that. For whatever reason, he didn't, and it makes me question his judgment.

Believe me that I'm not trying to excuse 'bad' behavior. I just want punishment that fits the crime... or find the fairest way to assassinate somebody's character.

I don't understand why FBI couldn't discover the drinking problems before... incompetence or just lacking time. Senate committe, Kavanaugh, Ford, FBI should've had their own private meeting to sort things out themselves. We, the public, really don't need to be involved.

But of course our political process itself is kinda fucked too..., Republicans want to quickly rush thru and Democrats doing whatever they can to stop this... end result is just a fiasco.

Anyway, so in retrospect, do you question Bill Clinton's judgment as president? He should've been removed from office?

[Crazed_Insanity]

From the other thread.



I'm unsure how to take this other than "it's worse for accused men than raped women".

Women has historically ended up with the short sticks before, but post #MeToo movement, the tide is changing, no? Or is my observation false?

Further, I'm not proposing that we should hand short sticks back to women. I would like to see all sticks being equal.

Anything else you're unsure of?

[Tom Servo]

Anyway, so in retrospect, do you question Bill Clinton's judgment as president? He should've been removed from office?

I'm not sure about that. What he did was at least consensual, inasmuch as one can have a consensual relationship when one person is the president of the United States and the other is an intern. It's also definitely poor judgment, I'm currently listening to the second season of "Slow Burn", which is all about the Whitewater/Lewinsky debacle. Clinton's a worse person and a worse president than I remember. Still, there was consent there, which makes it very different.

[Tom Servo]

Women has historically ended up with the short sticks before, but post #MeToo movement, the tide is changing, no? Or is my observation false?

Further, I'm not proposing that we should hand short sticks back to women. I would like to see all sticks being equal.

Anything else you're unsure of?

Maybe this one is a language thing, but getting the short end of the stick means "you are on the losing end". The tide might be changing, but it's like they're still getting the long end of the stick, it's just not quite as long as it used to be.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, my point is that ideally in this game of life, we can’t guarantee equality of outcome, but we should strive for equal opportunity... everyone is different and can’t end up equal, but at least the stick we end up holding gotta be equal length! I hope you understand that I’m advocating equal sticks for all, not reshuffle the short sticks back to women...

Regarding Clinton, I think what he did was much worst than Franken. Of course from the perspective of mutual consent, you’re right. However, one of them is clearly abusing his power on the job! 2 persons both agree to do something shadey doesn’t make this something okay. Plus, what if Monica were a foreign agent?

What Franken has done was distasteful, literally, but I don’t think he abused his power...

Anyway, regardless of which you think is more evil, since neither has done anything to compromise national security, I don’t think they need to step down immediately. Definitely be reprimanded somehow though...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Just remembered that my company has a pretty strict no sex and no porn on company property... so Clinton would be fired working for my company. No impeachment necessary...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Don't want to turn the regular political thread into a fight with Billi thread again... so hope you don't mind I brought this here:

You mean like in the most important election in our life, the best option would be to be conservative and do the least harm? Therefore you mean you should have voted for the least worst of the two viable candidates, right?

Remind us again what you did?

billi talking out of both sides of his mouth, as always. As you were...

President Hillary would've been more politically correct for sure, but with this global nationalistic, dicktatorish trend going on, it may not be a bad thing to have president Trump.

I'd agree Hillary was the 'safer' bet of the 2, but like I've stated many times, CA isn't going anywhere but with Hillary. If I reside in a red state, you might have a point. However, knowing that I live in a pretty deep blue state, I just want to protest with my vote. I wasn't happy with how the democrats have handled the primary... even if the democratic party had zero fault, then I'm protesting against the blue voters for endorsing somebody who's more in love with Wall st than Main st... and don't forget, if her husband is involved in a sexual scandal, she wouldn't be siding with the #MeToo movement either. Knowing that her husband is a womanizer. I'm sorry, I just can't trust her.

Of course I don't trust Trump either.

That's why I voted for neither.

I think even if I live in a Red State, I'd probably just abstain from voting. Let the extremists duke it out... while pray to God to be gracious to this country...

If Bernie never happened, maybe it would be much easier for me to fall in line with Hillary, but I'm sorry, I just can't go back now that I've seen that it's possible to have somebody like Bernie.

Hopefully DNC will learn some lessons from its' failures... if you want to win votes, you gotta think of people first, not corporations. Remember to stay true to its name!

[FaultyMario]

Trump, much like Hitler, is probably feeding off of the crowd's energy or just very good at feeling the crowd. Whatever he said that didn't move the crowd, they won't say them again. Whatever he said that ended up with cheers... they'll stick to those subjects and rile up the crowd and milk it as much as possible. This is why Trump's offscript speeches themselves may conflict each other at different locations.

I'm quoting from there so as to keep the billi bashing here...

Spoiler:

Dude, you can compare Trump to Hitler and yet not vote on the person who could defeat him?
Some serious cognitive dissonance there, buddy!