Gun control

[LHutton]

Yep. I'm rather surprised that a Marine made that mistake.
It's different in combat. In a combat situation the protagonist doesn't get a chance to surrender, there is no dialogue, in fact a special forces operative said that 70% sure is enough for a go.

[overpowered]

Sane GOP governor? He won't last long.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-gop-governor-disappoints-the-right-his-veto-pen?cid=sm_fb_maddow

[Alan P]

Sane GOP governor? He won't last long.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/georgias-gop-governor-disappoints-the-right-his-veto-pen?cid=sm_fb_maddow
He's in his last term and can't stand for re-election anyway so has no one to pander to or seek approval from. Good for him I say.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Good for him indeed! (And his state!)

[thesameguy]

Maybe we should limit terms to 2-4 months with no option for re-election.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Then you can't get anything done..., but of course our govt can't get anything done anyway.

It is too bad these anti-establishment people can't last very long... we need more of them.

I really think the party system is killing us, not the guns.

[thesameguy]

Maybe it's time to just turn things over to Skynet.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/67360623.jpg

[Cam]

I just watched a trailer for Amerigeddon. Hoo, boy. :rolleyes:

[Cam]

This is a natural consequence of for-profit prisons.

http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/pa-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-for-selling-black-teens-to-prison

This judge should get a lot more than 28 years. He devastated thousands of lives. He deserves life without parole. So do the evil scumbags who bribed him.

WTF... :smh:

[Freude am Fahren]

I just watched a trailer for Amerigeddon. Hoo, boy. :rolleyes:

Holy hell, that was something. from the YouTube description: "A dire warning of a wake up call of what might be our future when a globalist terrorist organization aligned with the United Nations disables the United States power grid and institutes Martial Law. It will take a dedicated family of patriots armed with strong survival skills and the remains of the Second Amendment to save America and reclaim its freedom."

:lol:

[21Kid]

Red Dawn 2 :?

[LHutton]

Maybe it's time to just turn things over to Skynet.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/67360623.jpg
:lol:

[Sad, little man]

Yay, let's go over to grandma's house! Oh no, now I'm dead from a self inflicted gun shot.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/breaking-child-dies-after-finding-gun-under-grandmas-pillow

Fuck the second amendment. Fuck America's gun culture. Just take the damn things away. People aren't responsible with them.

[LHutton]

Providing a receipt for a gun safe/cabinet should be mandatory with firearms purchases.

[21Kid]

:(
So far, no arrests have been made, but Detroit police do continue to investigate.
IMO, the grandmother should be arrested for child endangerment, by not having the gun secured properly. Probably even negligent homicide.

[LHutton]

The weird thing is, parents hide cookies better then they hide firearms. Yet the former only makes kids fat, whereas the latter makes kids dead.

[Crazed_Insanity]

We don't know the real story.

Maybe the kid found an unknown gun owned by a grand father who's long gone?

Gun control isn't just government's responsibility.

Just as if a granny backed out of a driveway and ran over her grand kid, doesn't mean we need to make a push to ban cars.

Just out of curiosity, are gun owners regulated as well as drivers? I'm pretty ignorant of this, but who issues gun licenses? and do we have a gun owner's license? Are they renewable?

[Godson]

Insert sick joke about Darwinism...

[Godson]

Providing a receipt for a gun safe/cabinet should be mandatory with firearms purchases.

This could be considered illegal search and siezure.

[LHutton]

Nobody's forcing them to buy a gun. Is it illegal search and seizure to have to provide ID before buying alcohol?

[thesameguy]

Or a spacious bench seat before hiring a hooker?

[speedpimp]

Or a spacious bench seat before hiring a hooker?

Why would you need that when all you really need is a shovel and a cornfield?

[JoshInKC]

Just out of curiosity, are gun owners regulated as well as drivers?
Not even close. Many/most states do not require a 'license' to purchase or own a gun. The last one I bought (a shotgun), took all of about 10-15 minutes from walking in the door to walking out with the gun. Handguns often have an associated waiting period, but I think that is a state thing.

[thesameguy]

Why would you need that when all you really need is a shovel and a cornfield?

You raise a good point. I guess it depends on how you're feeling on that particular night.

Still, I think the point is proven that you need to have some credentials to get a hooker.

[speedpimp]

And by "credentials" you mean cold, hard cashish, correct?

[Sad, little man]

We don't know the real story.

Maybe the kid found an unknown gun owned by a grand father who's long gone?

Gun control isn't just government's responsibility.

Just as if a granny backed out of a driveway and ran over her grand kid, doesn't mean we need to make a push to ban cars.

An unknown gun owned by someone long gone... Under a pillow?? "So that's why that pillow felt so hard all these years!"

Yes, gun control is the government's responsibility. The government has a responsibility to keep people safe from all kinds of threats, and they do, just not guns.

No, if she backed over her kid in the driveway, we shouldn't ban cars. Cars are primarily a method of transportation, and they only kill people when used in an accidental or nefarious way. Guns don't have another primary use. They are pretty much just made to kill things. If I could drive a gun to work and it wasn't expressly designed to fire little pieces of lead out of the end of it at fatal velocities, I'd say, hey, maybe let's keep the guns. They help us get to work. But they don't, do they?

There's a reason no one bats an eye when I show up to work in my car, but they'd be scared shitless if I came to work with a gun.

[JoshInKC]

As of next summer, there are going to be a lot of guns at my work. Its one of the stupidest things ever.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/03/22/470717996/kansas-campuses-prepare-for-guns-in-classrooms

[LHutton]

Students, alcohol and guns. What could go wrong?

[LHutton]

JFC I hate this guy.

https://us.yahoo.com/gma/george-zimmermans-gun-used-trayvon-martins-death-auctioned-075639328--abc-news-topstories.html


George Zimmerman Auctioning Gun He Used to Kill Trayvon Martin

The auction goes live at 11 a.m. ET today with bids starting at $5,000. Almost 50,000 have visited the page, according to the site.

[21Kid]

As of next summer, there are going to be a lot of guns at my work. Its one of the stupidest things ever.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/03/22/470717996/kansas-campuses-prepare-for-guns-in-classrooms:( I'm sorry.
Good thing we now have bullet-proof backpacks (http://www.amazon.com/SHIELD-PACK-Bulletproof-School-Backpack/dp/B00DZX1QUM) for protection.




An unknown gun owned by someone long gone... Under a pillow?? "So that's why that pillow felt so hard all these years!"

Yes, gun control is the government's responsibility. The government has a responsibility to keep people safe from all kinds of threats, and they do, just not guns.

No, if she backed over her kid in the driveway, we shouldn't ban cars. Cars are primarily a method of transportation, and they only kill people when used in an accidental or nefarious way. Guns don't have another primary use. They are pretty much just made to kill things. If I could drive a gun to work and it wasn't expressly designed to fire little pieces of lead out of the end of it at fatal velocities, I'd say, hey, maybe let's keep the guns. They help us get to work. But they don't, do they?

There's a reason no one bats an eye when I show up to work in my car, but they'd be scared shitless if I came to work with a gun.He really said that? :smh: Actually I guess I shouldn't be surprised. That's about on par with his normal leaps of logic.

[21Kid]

You gotta be kidding me!!!


George Zimmerman to Auction Gun Used to Kill Trayvon Martin (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/george-zimmerman-gun-auction-trayvon-martin.html?_r=0)

[thesameguy]

As of next summer, there are going to be a lot of guns at my work. Its one of the stupidest things ever.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/03/22/470717996/kansas-campuses-prepare-for-guns-in-classrooms

That is absolutely madness. Is Kansas trying to implode?

[MR2 Fan]

That is absolutely madness. Is Kansas trying to implode?

Hopefully one day, these republican legislatures will go too far and the morons will wake up and vote for more sensible people..........but I doubt it

[Crazed_Insanity]

An unknown gun owned by someone long gone... Under a pillow?? "So that's why that pillow felt so hard all these years!"

Yes, gun control is the government's responsibility. The government has a responsibility to keep people safe from all kinds of threats, and they do, just not guns.

No, if she backed over her kid in the driveway, we shouldn't ban cars. Cars are primarily a method of transportation, and they only kill people when used in an accidental or nefarious way. Guns don't have another primary use. They are pretty much just made to kill things. If I could drive a gun to work and it wasn't expressly designed to fire little pieces of lead out of the end of it at fatal velocities, I'd say, hey, maybe let's keep the guns. They help us get to work. But they don't, do they?

There's a reason no one bats an eye when I show up to work in my car, but they'd be scared shitless if I came to work with a gun.

If you actually drive your car into your office, I'm sure it'll have the same effect as bringing your gun to your office.

Police carry guns all the time... and their primary purpose isn't just to kill people, but for protection.

We definitely need better gun control (from govt side) and better gun education(owner side).

[Kchrpm]

Police carry guns all the time... and their primary purpose isn't just to kill people, but for protection.
They protect by (threatening to) inflict major bodily harm. If they couldn't potentially harm you, they wouldn't be useful for protection.

[Crazed_Insanity]

My point is sometimes weapons can be for defensive purposes too, not always an offensive tool.

Police's primary function is to protect and serve, not to attack the people of the community.

Likewise 2nd amendment is there for the protection of the citizen against the government.

We just need to have gun control measures that ensure that gun owners still feel that their rights aren't violated, and at the same time, be able to protect the rest of us who don't own guns!

At this point, even if we were to ban guns, tragedies like this poor grandkid might still happen because we wouldn't be able to remove all of the guns that are already out there. (Not to mention the banning of guns might cause another civil war!)

[21Kid]

:lol: Billi should change his name to Osmium.

[overpowered]

Reference missed.

[21Kid]

sorryl :(


Osmium is the densest naturally occurring element, with a density of 22.59 g/cm3.

[JoshInKC]

That is absolutely madness. Is Kansas trying to implode?

One would think.
There have been a variety of meetings at all different levels on campus, and they've all ended up amounting to "Well, 99% of people hate this idea and think its crazy, but there's jack shit we can do about it." Seriously, there are something like 70-75 major buildings on the main campus alone, and the only way to make a building gun-free under this idiotic law is to have metal detectors on every public entrance. Plus, our campus is somewhat unusual in that its built on a hill with some of the buildings spilling down the sides and subsequently having multiple entrances going to multiple floors and/or exterior stairwells. And some of the other buildings are ~6 stories tall and have small and crowded entraceways to begin with, making it somewhat difficult for students to get in/out in the allotted time during breaks between classes already.

It'd be a trainwreck even if we could possibly afford it in the face of increasing education cuts. Our only hope is to somehow get it overturned, but nobody really think that's likely to happen.

Interesting note: The current (completely reviled (http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/yael-t-abouhalkah/article45602589.html)) governor is supposedly considering stepping down to take up the vacant presidency of Kansas State University. Poor bastards.

[thesameguy]

our campus is somewhat unusual in that its built on a hill with some of the buildings spilling down the sides and subsequently having multiple entrances going to multiple floors and/or exterior stairwells. And some of the other buildings are ~6 stories tall

Silver lining: Sounds like great topography for a sniper!

[JoshInKC]

I'd never considered it before, but it would be a hell of a map for a battlefield or call of duty type game.

[Godson]

I'm not even in ks and I hate the fucker who was elected

[Sad, little man]

To be fair, he did get him to stop jumping on the bed.

http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2016/05/3_year_old_stepson_shot.html

[Godson]

I fucking hate people.

[overpowered]

Trump says he opposes gun free zones. Lots of his properties are gun free zones.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-gun-free-zones-guns-allowed-properties/story?id=39266544

[21Kid]

To be fair, he did get him to stop jumping on the bed.

http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2016/05/3_year_old_stepson_shot.html
:smh:

Maybe that stepdad was standing his ground and felt threatened

[overpowered]

Morons

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2016/05/21/armed-with-guns-and-constitutions-the-patriot-movement-sees-america-under-threat/

[LHutton]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Violence-Chicago-Shootings-Memorial-Day-Weekend-Police-Homicide-381260331.html#ixzz4AFQk9MGN


At least 62 people had been shot across the city since Friday afternoon

[LHutton]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/court-no-carry-concealed-weapons-public-175139817.html


Dealing a blow to gun supporters, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday that Americans do not have a constitutional right to carry concealed weapons in public.


Not really sure this is a victory.

[MR2 Fan]

One day after Voice and youtube star Christina Grimmie is shot in Orlando, there's a mass shooting at a gay bar, also in Orlando...20+ shot, hostage situation ongoing apparently....but remember, guns aren't a problem!

[LHutton]

Controlled explosion?

http://news.sky.com/story/1710712/mass-shooting-at-gay-nightclub-in-orlando

:twitch:

[MR2 Fan]

Orlando PD just confirmed the shooter is dead....so apparently that indicates only one shooter...earlier reports were unclear

[Godson]

Terrorist attack. Possible Islamic leanings.

[LHutton]

Well it is Ramadan, so lack of food, extra grouchiness.

[speedpimp]

Does that mean your perpetual cuntiness is brought on by fasting?

[LHutton]

All I do is report what's happened but some people get upset at that instead of the perpetrators.

[LHutton]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/12/orlando-shooting-nightclub-pulse-gunman


The gunman behind a suspected terrorist attack that killed 50 people at an LGBT nightclub in Orlando is believed to be a US citizen of Afghan heritage named as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old man from Florida.

That's now 5 attacks in Western Europe and the US in less than a year with 248 dead and 794 injured.

What a cunt.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/omar-mateen-14.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all
https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Omar-Mateen.jpg

[MR2 Fan]

BTW, since I live near Orlando and have lots of friends there...this did feel much worse than normal...one of my co-workers who is gay has been to that club before, but not that night luckily.

[Tom Servo]

In the meantime, about a block from my old work in Santa Monica a guy, James Howell, from Indiana got arrested with three firearms and his car full of 5 lbs. of explosives saying he was on his way to the LA Pride Festival to "harm them".

[Godson]

We should ban explosives because they are dangerous.


Oh wait.

[Godson]

Truth is people are fucking vicious animals. We will find a way to harm those we feel threatened by. This guy having government rights to carry for security purposes shows it.

[Freude am Fahren]

In the meantime, about a block from my old work in Santa Monica a guy, James Howell, from Indiana got arrested with three firearms and his car full of 5 lbs. of explosives saying he was on his way to the LA Pride Festival to "harm them".

Really does seem like they could be related. ISIS has taken credit for Orlando.

Turns out, I went to high school with this guy. Been following some classmates discussions on facebook. I don't remember him, but a picture from highschool I saw did look somewhat familiar. And someone said he always wore his P.E. shirt, and I remember someone doing that.

I can confirm he did not finish school at our high school. He went to the alternative school that the problem children go to. I can confirm that because my friend's dad was his principle at the time at that school. But allegedly he was expelled "for his own safety". And he was taken from school by the cops on 9/11 for being an asshole. He was pretending to be an airplane flying around crashing into things and saying that he knew it was coming, we deserved it, and it would happen again. Again, that is just from what old classmates are saying on facebook.

[Tom Servo]

The Santa Monica thing isn't quite as sure as it sounded a few hours ago. Some reports name Tannerite as the explosive he had on hand, others are not specifying. From what I'm gathering, Tannerite can make for a pretty good explosion, but needs to be shot to be set off (and, as such, is often used in target practice). That makes it sub-optimal, but not useless, for an attack. Most reports are saying that he told an officer that he was headed to Pride and wanted to harm people, but a friend claims that he wanted to go target shooting. He has a previous instance of threatening someone with a firearm back in mid last year, which I'm sure showed up when they ID'd him.

It's all very weird, and probably for the best that this guy not have a lot of guns. It remains to be seen if he did intend to go attack the Pride festival or if he's just a weirdo with guns he shouldn't have.

EIDT: Oh, and Tannerite is apparently illegal to possess in CA.

[Godson]

He shouldn't have guns. Period.

[Jason]

Legal or not, people will get their hands on guns because they are so readily available. Even if we ended manufacturing, and banned import, we still have all of them out there currently.

The fact that nothing happened after 20 children were gunned down should set our expectations for action in response to this incident.

Best we can hope for are social improvements, social program improvements, and removing ourselves from foreign affairs, thus minimizing resentment. Yeah, none of that's going to happen either.

[Tom Servo]

LAPD are saying that the Santa Monica guy only said that he was headed to the Pride Festival, that he never said anything about harming people.

[Jason]

:up:

[Tom Servo]

On the downside, he's recently out of jail after being convicted of threatening his neighbors with firearms. Part of his probation appears to be not leaving Indiana and not having any firearms.

[Godson]

He should be put back in jail and tested for mental stability. But he won't, because or mental health system is a joke.

[Tom Servo]

Well, he has been arrested at least. At a minimum, they've got him on the Tannerite possession and Indiana would probably like to have a word about the rest of it, so I'd imagine there's a shot.

[MR2 Fan]

It seems there were a lot of team/cast members from the local theme parks, Disney, Universal, Sea World were at the club that night....so there's a larger feeling of loss for those places that are supposed to be happy and escapist for people

[LHutton]

Truth is people are fucking vicious animals. We will find a way to harm those we feel threatened by. This guy having government rights to carry for security purposes shows it.
Especially when he was on the FBI list and had been interviewed twice for connections with IS.

[MR2 Fan]

One thing that bothers me is whenever something like this happens and people say "This isn't the time to discuss gun control, it's a time to mourn the victims".

I can imagine if there was a bunch of accidents caused by faulty seat belts or airbags and one of the automotive companies saying "This isn't the time to discuss car safety, it's a time to mourn the victims", they'd be completely destroyed by the general public for that kind of statement. But the mouthpieces for the NRA and gun companies consistently get away with it.

[LHutton]

Well, it could be argued quite successfully that this isn't a gun problem, since 3 attacks happened in Europe in countries where guns are illegal. This is very specifically a radical Islam problem, not a gun problem. This is more a case of someone deliberately driving a lorry into a car head on, making the aforementioned safety devices irrelevant. This cunt would have found a way anyway.

[Jason]

It's not specifically an Islam problem here because it's not a whole lot different than other mass shooting events in America, many of which are unrelated to Islam.

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

So is this a concern because of potential ISIS ties? Yes. Is this a concern because of mass shooting trends in the US? Yes. Is this a concern because it's a large scale hate crime? Yes.

This event was multiple things. It was an act of terrorism. It was a lone wolf mass shooter. It was a hate crime.

[MR2 Fan]

and with that...politically, if this was a white guy...it would have helped Hillary's campaign I think, but since it was a radicalized ISIS sympathizer, it instead helps Trump's campaign

[Jason]

"Unfortunately" for Trump, the shooter was born and raised in the US, obtained the gun legally, and killed a 'good guy with a gun' before the massacre.

[LHutton]

It's not specifically an Islam problem here because it's not a whole lot different than other mass shooting events in America, many of which are unrelated to Islam.

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

So is this a concern because of potential ISIS ties? Yes. Is this a concern because of mass shooting trends in the US? Yes. Is this a concern because it's a large scale hate crime? Yes.

This event was multiple things. It was an act of terrorism. It was a lone wolf mass shooter. It was a hate crime.
If you generalise to other mass shootings then I agree, but this specific mass shooting was very specifically a radical Islam problem, and I seriously doubt that even a complete ban on firearms would have stopped it.


"Unfortunately" for Trump, the shooter was born and raised in the US, obtained the gun legally, and killed a 'good guy with a gun' before the massacre.
Well you can easily get the drop on someone when they're not expecting it, but with 103 shot, on this one you would have to argue that yes, a few other people inside the club with guns might have cut the massacre a little shorter.

[Jason]

No, a gun ban will not stop the most extreme elements from attacking groups they hate.

That is not unique to Islam, either.

[LHutton]

No, a gun ban will not stop the most extreme elements from attacking groups they hate.

That is not unique to Islam, either.
No but with well over 90% of all global terrorism deaths perpetrated by radical Islamists, it is predominantly a Muslim issue. Perhaps not in the US yet but that's more to do with the relatively small Muslim population in the US, although 2 massacres in 6 months is quite some going.

[Jason]

Muslims are not responsible for 90% of mass killings in the US.

[LHutton]

Muslims are not responsible for 90% of mass killings in the US.
Well I think I covered that in the 2nd sentence, although maybe before you posted. In the last 6 months though, the statement probably roughly holds anyway.

Anyway...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ35V0etHiM

[21Kid]

No, a gun ban will not stop the most extreme elements from attacking groups they hate.

That is not unique to Islam, either.

It might help... Most of the guns used in these were obtained legally and easily.

[Jason]

Where there's an extreme will, there's a way. A gun ban would more likely cut down on the 'smaller scale/emotional' murders, vs things like an extremist going after a group they hate. These people have planning involved. They think about what they want to do, plan it out, and then do it. Removing guns just gets rid of the 'easy' factor, so the people it would impact are those who 'break' and do something when filled with emotion.

At least that's my opinion, anyways.

[21Kid]

At this point I don't care. I think we should try anything that has a chance of helping. :(

[Jason]

Oh, don't get me wrong. My ideals want me to get rid of both personal gun ownership, and gun manufacturing with the intent of personal sale, within the US.

Unfortunately neither will be happening, so I look for more practical solutions where I can.

[overpowered]

This most recent shooter was a licensed armed security guard. Even if private ownership was banned, he still might have had a gun legally.

[Jason]

Good point.

And this is why I believe a gun ban doesn't really solve the real issues here. Guns are just 'the easy way' of making things happen.

[MR2 Fan]

Regarding the "Two shooters" issue...there was an armed officer or security guard at the club who engaged in a shootout with the suspect. I think that's where the "two shooters" issue came from.

[Rikadyn]

Good point.

And this is why I believe a gun ban doesn't really solve the real issues here. Guns are just 'the easy way' of making things happen.

It really doesn't, it just extends security theater like what we have with the TSA to a broader audience. Plus it's good for picking up bonus points from the "Think of the Children!" crowd.

[novicius]

Just make possessing a magazine of any size a felony. :assclown:

[Tom Servo]

Given the stats floating around that countries with stronger gun control have lower per capita deaths by gun than the US, what do you think is the actual reason then? I don't think anyone thinks that stronger gun laws would prevent every shooting, but a lot of us think it would prevent *some* shootings, which in my opinion is better than nothing.

[MR2 Fan]

Given the stats floating around that countries with stronger gun control have lower per capita deaths by gun than the US, what do you think is the actual reason then? I don't think anyone thinks that stronger gun laws would prevent every shooting, but a lot of us think it would prevent *some* shootings, which in my opinion is better than nothing.

Also, I keep thinking of an incident directly related to the idol's death the other day.

A couple of years ago in Japan...a crazed shut-in with no social life decided after seeing the pop idol group AKB48 on TV that they were having fun or something and decided to go to one of their handshake events and attack them.

Since guns are not widely available at all, he instead took a very large saw, similar to a hacksaw carried in his jacket...he attacked two girls injuring their heads and hands badly, but they survived.

If he had a gun they'd both be dead...like the singer the other night in Orlando, which was a very similar situation.

[novicius]

It's not that attacks would stop, it's that the body counts would be lower if guns were banned...

...which isn't gonna happen. But if the gun manufacturers were able to be litigated for their products' involvement? Cost of during business, y0.

[Jason]

I want to clarify that I believe a gun ban would drop overall gun homicide. BUT it would not prevent a mass death situation like Orlando if the killer is absolutely set on doing it. The fact that planning went into it, means he would have likely procured the means to get the job done, gun, explosive, or otherwise. A gun ban would cause a dramatic decrease in murders of passion, though.

[MR2 Fan]

I want to clarify that I believe a gun ban would drop overall gun homicide. BUT it would not prevent a mass death situation like Orlando if the killer is absolutely set on doing it. The fact that planning went into it, means he would have likely procured the means to get the job done, gun, explosive, or otherwise. A gun ban would cause a dramatic decrease in murders of passion, though.

Let's just say for a moment that guns weren't readily available to him...he'd have to go to the black market...perhaps that would take more time...perhaps that would send other red flags...perhaps there's some sting operation happening for black market guns since they weren't readily available. Maybe he would have tried to create an explosive and failed. The Tsarnevs only were able to kill a couple of people with their bombs.

It makes no since to me to give the all-or-nothing approach to this of "he would have done it" otherwise....so why just hand him the means to do it, especially if he'd been investigated by the FBI, had domestic abuse, etc.

If you're on a watch list due to questionable ties, then you shouldn't be able to buy a gun without more screening/investigation.

[Jason]

Unfortunately, Mexico is nearby, so even if we literally removed every legal gun in the US, you have the combined 'black market' of the US and Mexico to find *something* if he's truly looking for a firearm.

This is not me arguing against a gun ban, this is me noting the limitations on what a gun ban can prevent from happening. This specific attack, imo, is due to a breakdown in the intelligence industry AND his employer/peers failing to speak up about him being a legitimate threat. The fact that he has these extreme thoughts is partially due to extremist Islamic propaganda, specifically ISIS. ISIS is (at least partially) a result of our 'intervention' in Iraq.

There's a lot at play with the Orlando shooter, its not just a gun issue, imo.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Think of it this way...

Could the Orlando tragedies be prevented or minimized somehow with stricter gun control laws?

Those things happened because we didn't have strict enough laws?

If that's true, then I'm all for stricter laws.

If that's not true, then we're tackling the problem the wrong way.

[overpowered]

Unfortunately, Mexico is nearby, so even if we literally removed every legal gun in the US, you have the combined 'black market' of the US and Mexico to find *something* if he's truly looking for a firearm.Guns are illegal in Mexico except for military and law enforcement. Most black market guns in Mexico are from the U.S. That black market would be dramatically reduced if we got rid of private gun ownership in the U.S.

I'm not saying that I necessarily want private ownership banned. I just think that we need a bit more sanity on who's allowed to have guns and better controls on transfers of ownership and I'm finally coming around to the idea of banning semi-autos with significant capacities.

[Jason]

Guns are illegal in Mexico except for military and law enforcement. Most black market guns in Mexico are from the U.S. That black market would be dramatically reduced if we got rid of private gun ownership in the U.S.

I'm not saying that I necessarily want private ownership banned. I just think that we need a bit more sanity on who's allowed to have guns and better controls on transfers of ownership and I'm finally coming around to the idea of banning semi-autos with significant capacities.

There would still be a great demand in their black market, US manufacturers would find a way to get them down there, unless manufacturing was cut off here.

[novicius]

Yeah came in here to post this: Mexico gets their guns from America, they do not provide guns to their citizens.

But it doesn’t matter: human beings can produce fully-automatic guns with a hammer, anvil, a small fire and pot metal (http://www.marketplace.org/2009/07/10/business/ghana-blacksmiths-fuel-gun-crime). You do not need a 3D printer, specialized parts or equipment.

It might not fire 10,000 rounds reliably but it will function. :|

[thesameguy]

Nice thing about guns is that they discourage making explosives from a home depot run! :up:

[Tom Servo]

Think of it this way...

Could the Orlando tragedies be prevented or minimized somehow with stricter gun control laws?

Those things happened because we didn't have strict enough laws?

If that's true, then I'm all for stricter laws.

If that's not true, then we're tackling the problem the wrong way.

What if stricter gun laws would not have prevented Orlando, but would have, say, massively cut the number of gun deaths recently in Chicago, and prevented the murder of the professor at UCLA? Or is it that if stricter gun laws wouldn't prevent this one specific tragedy, then they are not worth pursuing?

(Coming from the angle that it appears countries with stricter gun laws are not spared from incidents like this, but that incidents both large and small are fewer and farther between, per capita).

[novicius]

Heh, people that say "gun control wouldn't have stopped such-and-such tragedy" to them I say: so fucking what? Ban 'em anyway.

I do not give two tin shits for your case of gun-boner. :finger:

[speedpimp]

But what about a bone-gunner?

[novicius]

Well then you wouldn't know which way to turn, I guess. ;)

[FaultyMario]

Don't drag us into YOUR mess! When ze germans wanted to help us have the capabilities to mass produce guns and ammo you were quick to threaten us with (another) invasion. Something about us wanting to have that half of our territory back.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not just talking about cases of gun boners, just that bans don't work in general.

It didn't work for alcohol, drugs, prostitution and lots of things that may be boner related.

Anyway, just can't ban things and expect that to solve your problem. You also likely to create a new set of problems.

[TheBenior]

But it doesn’t matter: human beings can produce fully-automatic guns with a hammer, anvil, a small fire and pot metal (http://www.marketplace.org/2009/07/10/business/ghana-blacksmiths-fuel-gun-crime). You do not need a 3D printer, specialized parts or equipment.

It might not fire 10,000 rounds reliably but it will function. :|
Honestly, it's harder to make reliable center fire ammunition then the funds that fire it.

However, bans would make things difficult for lone wolf nut jobs who don't have concrete connections to criminal and/or terrorist organizations. Well, maybe in a country that doesn't have enough weapons and ammunition to last centuries, anyway.

[overpowered]

The shooter was investigated twice by the FBI for possible terrorist ties.
He abused his wife during a short marriage.
He was known to be mentally unstable.

He could still legally buy an AR-15 in Florida.

[overpowered]

Wait. What?!

http://usuncut.com/news/orlando-gunman-pulse-regular/

[LHutton]

Given the stats floating around that countries with stronger gun control have lower per capita deaths by gun than the US, what do you think is the actual reason then?
And many countries with the same gun control laws have less problems. It's an attitude/society thing.

Anyway, ISIS always find a way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/world/europe/france-stabbing-police-officer-magnanville.html?_r=0


PARIS — A police captain was fatally stabbed and his companion was also killed at their home in a small town northwest of Paris on Monday evening, and within hours the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the murders.

The police captain, who was not otherwise identified, was outside his home in Magnanville when he was stabbed by an unidentified assailant, who appeared to have then entered the house and took the captain’s companion and 3-year-old son hostage, according to a statement on the website of the French Interior Ministry and a statement from President François Hollande.

[LHutton]

Nice thing about guns is that they discourage making explosives from a home depot run! :up:
Nobody asking to ban instant cold-packs.

[speedpimp]

Wait. What?!

http://usuncut.com/news/orlando-gunman-pulse-regular/

Doesn't seem all that shocking.

[novicius]

Well, maybe in a country that doesn't have enough weapons and ammunition to last centuries, anyway.
All this too.

There is no way any new gun control laws or fantasies of a ban is gonna change anything in our lifetime. We gots what we gots.

[Jason]

Doesn't seem all that shocking.

Self loathing gays in the ultra religious community have long been a thing.

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t88X1pYQu-I

[21Kid]

There is no way any new gun control laws or fantasies of a ban is gonna change anything in our lifetime. We gots what we gots.

Between this and Trump... :smh: Canada isn't that much further north, is it? :twitch:

[drew]

Exactly.


To elaborate on Carlo's comments, there are (literally) enough guns (hang/shot/rifle, etc) to arm every man, woman, and child in the US, twice. Gun control at this point is moot. True, I believe that there should be a comprehensive psych eval on all potential buyers, and a 1 month wait on ALL guns. The fact you can just walk into a store and buy an AR-15 type thing, and walk out, is scary as shit.

That being said, no amount of new bans, regulations, etc, will change a fucking thing. There are already 100s of millions of guns out there, registered, and fuck knows how many unregistered. Take Chicago for example (Ross, please interject if I'm incorrect), they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, no hang guns, period, yet people are getting cut down left and right at record pace. Mind you, it's not fair to say the whole of Chicago is a shooting gallery. Most of the shit is confined to the same, well-known troubled neighborhoods (Humboldt Park/Englewood, etc).

But, the point remains. You cannot go get a handgun/carry permit in the city, but it seems people are still well-armed.

They interviewed a shop owner here in FL this morning that said they've sold 10-15 AR15s an hour since thy opened yesterday. Smith & Wesson stock went up 20-some points as well (shocker).

So, yeah, try to ban them, then watch everybody binge buy during the "limited availability time".

It'll be the Brady Bill and bans on high-capacity mags for handguns. People will just buy as many as they can before the ban start date. Yay capitalism.


The other infuriating fucked up thing about this. Congress killed a bill to flag terror watch individuals when buying a gun (during the background check).


America, fuck yeah.

As an aside, I'd like to thank you all for not quoting our resident UK bigot. I've seen enough stupid shit from our own population that defies logic and frankly makes me want to live in a fucking cave.

[21Kid]

Part of the problem with Chicago, and the US as a whole, is that different states have different laws. All you have to do is go to Indiana if you want a gun.

http://wgntv.com/2014/09/03/indiana-guns-favorite-of-chicago-gangbangers/

In six years, 3,824 guns taken off Chicago gang bangers that were used in crimes came from our next door neighbor: Indiana. It’s why WGN Investigates took undercover cameras over the border to see why.

Our producer and photographer walked in to an Indianapolis gun show one recent Saturday afternoon wearing undercover camera gear. They listened as one gun dealer showed them a semi-automatic with a 30 round magazine.

Asked why anyone would need that, the dealer said, “Everybody needs something.”

For a $5 dollar entry fee, you can buy all sorts of stuff at the gun show – bullets, handbags with hidden pockets, and of course, guns. The law for buying a gun is different for those who live in Indiana than those who live in Illinois.

It’s so easy here, the dealers joked with our producer and photographer about it. One bragging, “We deal with Illinois residents all the time and we invite them to come to Indiana.”

[drew]

Yep. The overall problem is, the people that love guns, have this misconception that "gun control" means "we're coming to take them from you".

IF you've bought them, legally, etc, your fear is unjustified. But don't let logic and reality get in the way of lobbyists and blocking bills that infringe nothing on you.

[LHutton]

Overdue a deportation me thinks.

https://www.rt.com/usa/346612-orlando-mateen-taliban-islam/


Seddique Mateen, the Orlando shooter’s father, has been revealed as an ardent supporter of the Taliban amid the apologies for his son’s crime. However, he’s also being labeled “unstable” and has been shunned by political circles in his native Afghanistan.

Seddique Mateen’s public endeavors may point to more extreme political leanings than his apologies following the Orlando massacre would have one believe. The man is somewhat a celebrity in Afghan-American circles in the US for his online presence and occasional TV appearances, where his hardline pro-Taliban beliefs come to the fore. At one point, in his criticism of the Afghan government, Mateen proclaimed himself president in absentia – a role he continues to pursue.

“This so-called president of Afghanistan has been running around” US government offices, “speaking incoherently. And he makes all these fantastic claims – one minute he’s in favor of the Tailban, another minute… he’s in favor of Pakistan. The man, in my personal opinion, is unstable. He’s become the laughing stock among the Afghan community.”

Seraj adds that the FBI should be investigating Seddique Mateen and his family connections much more closely.

The mystery of Omar’s father’s true political role (if any) only deepens. Seraj refers to Seddique Mateen’s visits to the State Department on Capitol Hill for reasons US officials would not disclose. RT inquired at a media briefing about the photograph depicting Mateen in front of one of the offices. State Department spokesman Mark Toner, however, said the office only handled things like consular affairs and denied any knowledge of Mateen having visited.

[TheBenior]

That being said, no amount of new bans, regulations, etc, will change a fucking thing. There are already 100s of millions of guns out there, registered, and fuck knows how many unregistered. Take Chicago for example (Ross, please interject if I'm incorrect), they have some of the strictest gun laws in the country, no hang guns, period, yet people are getting cut down left and right at record pace. Mind you, it's not fair to say the whole of Chicago is a shooting gallery. Most of the shit is confined to the same, well-known troubled neighborhoods (Humboldt Park/Englewood, etc).

But, the point remains. You cannot go get a handgun/carry permit in the city, but it seems people are still well-armed.

Nope, since Illinois got concealed carry, municipalities can no longer individually regulate handguns, but can make stiffer restrictions on long guns.

This has led to absurdities like this being banned in Chicago since it's an 'assault weapon' that happens to be a rifle:
http://www.colt.com/portals/0/productimages/2015/LE6920_700W.png

While this is legal since it's technically a pistol:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pds_pistol_left_6_23_10-tfb.jpg

However, I would add that most of Chicago's shootings are driven by those involved in the illegal drug trade, so even with serious prohibitions on guns, these criminal organizations selling massive amounts of drugs on a daily basis would still have guns. They might be not particularly reliable examples made by amateur machinists, but they'd still be out there.

[novicius]

Between this and Trump... :smh: Canada isn't that much further north, is it? :twitch:
This is the only solution: literally, if people don't like living in a society where not just shootings happen daily around the country but MASS SHOOTINGS happen daily, then leave.

For once I am not saying that to be a dick, I say it with compassion and sorrow. :(

[Rikadyn]

I am for more thorough background checks and mandatory gun safety classes for purchasing a firearm.

However, things like the Assault Weapons Ban is really just security theater as it is only concerned with how the gun looks.

[drew]

However, I would add that most of Chicago's shootings are driven by those involved in the illegal drug trade, so even with serious prohibitions on guns, these criminal organizations selling massive amounts of drugs on a daily basis would still have guns. They might be not particularly reliable examples made by amateur machinists, but they'd still be out there.


Thanks Hoss. The above quote is the core point I was trying to make. Banning anything probably won't change a thing at this point (in Chicago, or anywhere).

[21Kid]

Why can't we institute licensing/fees like we do with cars? If you register every gun you buy, and transfer title as ownership, it seems like it would reduce the number of straw buyers, at least.
And make people pass a safety class before getting a license, at the very least. :smh:

[LHutton]

Apparently not the largest mass shooting in US history.

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

[overpowered]

Why can't we institute licensing/fees like we do with cars? If you register every gun you buy, and transfer title as ownership, it seems like it would reduce the number of straw buyers, at least.
And make people pass a safety class before getting a license, at the very least. :smh:Agree. Maybe training and consistent laws and enforcement on gun storage would cut down on toddlers shooting people as well.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Why can't we institute licensing/fees like we do with cars? If you register every gun you buy, and transfer title as ownership, it seems like it would reduce the number of straw buyers, at least.
And make people pass a safety class before getting a license, at the very least. :smh:

Not an expert with the legal stuff, but I suspect the difference is that we have a 'right' to own guns, but driving is only a 'privilege'.

But considering current condition, I think a passing psych evaluation should be necessary to buy guns... or for jobs that involves firearm.

I don't understand how that guy was able to get a job working as an armed security guard. Must be a failure in the system somewhere...

[21Kid]

Agree. Maybe training and consistent laws and enforcement on gun storage would cut down on toddlers shooting people as well.
They kill more people than terrorists in the US. :smh:

[overpowered]

They kill more people than terrorists in the US. :smh:They don't, but it's still a lot.

If we count this latest psycho as a terrorist, then he killed more people in one shooting than toddlers have this year (they're only in the twenties so far).

[overpowered]

While this is legal since it's technically a pistol:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pds_pistol_left_6_23_10-tfb.jpgNot really being a gun guy, I was not familiar with that gun. Looking it up (LAR-PDS, correct?), it appears to be pretty much an AR-15 in pistol form with low recoil like an AR-15 and of course, lots of bullets in the magazine. That's scary.

[Alan P]

Apparently not the largest mass shooting in US history.

THE LARGEST MASS SHOOTING IN US HISTORY HAPPENED December 29,1890. When 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota were murdered by federal agents & members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.

And yet even if this happened today it would still be 'pray for their families, just don't suggest anything meaningful'

[thesameguy]

There would also be a lot of outrage. Don't forget the outrage.

[drew]

...and blaming Obama.

[Rikadyn]

And yet even if this happened today it would still be 'pray for their families, just don't suggest anything meaningful'

like disarming the military and law enforcement?

[Tom Servo]

It's kinda bumming me out that other than "offering prayers", every other possible response meets with "Eh, it probably wouldn't work." FFS, what we've been doing so far isn't working, shouldn't we at least try something?

[Freude am Fahren]

Especially when it's something like, that would take generations to fully take hold. SO WHAT? Do we not care at all about generations to come? Oh that's right, there probably wont be a planet or any society left for them anyway...

Unless of course we actually did those things that will take so long...

[Jason]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13427887_10154261657084805_1719597988634731601_n.j pg?oh=8035f072ae98d1cd9e0f4c3765ec6d71&oe=57C68697

[Alan P]

I get that any politician who comes out with 'ban guns' won't stand a hope in hell of re-election and will likely receive death threats from dozens of nutjobs but isn't it about time someone tries to do something? I see no realistic requirement or need for a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle other than for shooting other people as quickly as possible or for personal gratification. You sure as hell can't go hunting with one. Or you could. And shoot one thing two or three times before every other animal within a mile radius runs, flies or swims away. But it appears that politicians care more about re-election and staying on the gravy train than real change.

[MR2 Fan]

I get that any politician who comes out with 'ban guns' won't stand a hope in hell of re-election and will likely receive death threats from dozens of nutjobs ...

That's the irony. Take people's guns away because they're unstable and prone to violence....people who are unstable and prone to violence make death threats.

[Rikadyn]

I see no realistic requirement or need for a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle other than for shooting other people as quickly as possible or for personal gratification. You sure as hell can't go hunting with one. Or you could. And shoot one thing two or three times before every other animal within a mile radius runs, flies or swims away. But it appears that politicians care more about re-election and staying on the gravy train than real change.

Why not? a bolt action round isn't any different than one fired from a semi auto.

[overpowered]

The gun nuts on FB are saying that an AR-15 doesn't actually fire that fast. That's cute:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gf_5MR4tE

Admittedly, that guy's a competitive speed shooter but still, I think that a healthy 29 year old man with good reflexes and a little practice could probably pull off something in the neighborhood of 2+ rounds per second with decent short range accuracy without a lot of difficulty. It's a very smooth low recoil gun to shoot. I found it to be the easiest gun to shoot accurately and quickly that I've ever tried.

[overpowered]

Hell freezes over.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnQdAxmePVw

[Godson]

I get that any politician who comes out with 'ban guns' won't stand a hope in hell of re-election and will likely receive death threats from dozens of nutjobs but isn't it about time someone tries to do something? I see no realistic requirement or need for a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle other than for shooting other people as quickly as possible or for personal gratification. You sure as hell can't go hunting with one. Or you could. And shoot one thing two or three times before every other animal within a mile radius runs, flies or swims away. But it appears that politicians care more about re-election and staying on the gravy train than real change.

Have you ever been coyote hunting? A bolt action rifle won't do much good when 15-20 of those fuckers are literally attacking anything they can get close to. People included.

When you do hunt coyotes, the idea is to usually wound the first one, so the others turn on him. Speed of follow up shots it damned important. This is compounded when they haven't eaten in a while, and nothing scares them.

[Tom Servo]

Where in the fuck do people go coyote hunting? And why? I mean, we get coyotes out here, but as far as I know, nobody's running around hanging their heads on their wall as trophies...

[TheBenior]

Out in the boonies by my cousin, they do it to keep small to medium-sized livestock alive. The horses and cows don't have much to fear from coyotes, but things like alpacas, goats, and chickens do.

Coyotes in rural areas in the Midwest actually have fewer sources than in urban areas (which are abundant in rabbits, rats, mice, squirrels, feral cats, etc), so they tend to be more scraggly and desperate.

[Tom Servo]

Alright, fair enough.

[overpowered]

In SoCal, I have never seen more than about 3 coyotes together. They are less bold in small numbers. I had 3 stare me down when I was hiking alone once. I admit I was a bit nervous, armed only with pepper spray. I spotted them from about 100 yards or so directly in front of me on my path. I stopped. I stared. They stared. After a minute or so they went off to the side.

Solo coyotes usually steer clear of humans. I usually only see them running away when I spot them. I did have one walk up to me on the 10th green at Balboa Golf Course, because morons feed them from the snack shack between the 9th and 10th. I held out my putter (which has a large brass head) and it thought better of it and walked away.

I don't know about them being fearless. If you spray a few of them with a 12-guage I suspect the rest will scatter.

[overpowered]

Hmm. In California, there is no limit or season for killing coyotes. Kill all you want whenever you want, provided you have a hunting license and it's legal to hunt where you are hunting.


http://www.fgc.ca.gov/regulations/current/mammalregs.aspx

[TheBenior]

That's pretty much what it's like in Illinois, and I suspect most other states.

[Drachen596]

I know that some ranchers in Texas and probably a few other southern states carry some semi auto rifles such as the AR-15 and similar due to wild pigs.

they've got pretty nasty tusks and travel in family packs/herds.

Theres also not a limit on the number or when you kill the wild pigs in some places. Indiana seems to be one of them, as long as you own the land or have written permission from the land owner you can take out however many. just can't do it on public land. no license or permit is needed beyond that written permission.

[LHutton]

The gun nuts on FB are saying that an AR-15 doesn't actually fire that fast. That's cute:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gf_5MR4tE

Admittedly, that guy's a competitive speed shooter but still, I think that a healthy 29 year old man with good reflexes and a little practice could probably pull off something in the neighborhood of 2+ rounds per second with decent short range accuracy without a lot of difficulty. It's a very smooth low recoil gun to shoot. I found it to be the easiest gun to shoot accurately and quickly that I've ever tried.
They're also saying 1000+ rounds were fired, when it was just over 200 in reality.

[21Kid]

Why not? a bolt action round isn't any different than one fired from a semi auto. Bolt-action should be perfectly fine for hunting... If you need more rounds, you should probably practice more.
Same thing for protection. If you need that many rounds to protect yourself, you're doing something seriously wrong.


Have you ever been coyote hunting? A bolt action rifle won't do much good when 15-20 of those fuckers are literally attacking anything they can get close to. People included.As OP mentioned, they aren't usually in that large of packs.
"Coyotes normally hunt alone or in pairs and rarely as a pack, unless the prey is a deer or other large animal."
"Packs living in sizable protected areas can have as many as five or six adults in addition to that season's pups."
If your worried about larger packs, go hunting with a bigger group or something. idk

[Cam]

Nude Bomb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nude_Bomb), but for guns.

[overpowered]

50 senators. 50 victims.

http://hyperationalist.com/guns/50-senators-50-victims

Background check bill vote roll call that might have kept the shooter from buying the gun instantly had it passed:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00321

[overpowered]

Bolt-action should be perfectly fine for hunting... If you need more rounds, you should probably practice more.
Same thing for protection. If you need that many rounds to protect yourself, you're doing something seriously wrong.Bolt action doesn't mean that the gun doesn't hold more than one round. Bolt action rifles simply need you to manually slide the bolt to eject the used shell and load the next one and cock the firing mechanism. Someone who is skilled with them can still get several shots off in a short time, but not as fast as they can with a semi-auto which does all of that automatically. They also typically don't have a magazine like an AR-15 and so take longer to reload. AR's can have 30 round magazines. Pop the old one out and a new one in a second.

For home defense, a pump action shotgun would probably make more sense assuming you're reckless enough to confront home invaders. Like the bolt action rifle, the pump action still gives you multiple shots; just not as fast as a semi-auto. Accuracy is less important with a shotgun and the big barrel looks very intimidating when you're on the wrong end of it.

[21Kid]

Why is this shit allowed? :mad:


Above are the 50 United States Senators that the NRA has given $27,205,245 to during the course of their respective political careers.

How is this not considered bribery? :angry:
You can't bribe your way out of a police ticket, but you can bribe the politicians to not make the laws in the first place? WTMF!?!
Oh yeah... the ones being bribed are making the laws to make it legal...:sadbanana:

[Kchrpm]

Oh yeah... the ones being bribed are making the laws to make it legal...:sadbanana:
Exactly.

[Sad, little man]

It's funny how the gun nuts are so adamant that there's nothing really unique or special about "assault" rifles, and they're really no different from normal rifles.

Ok, fine, I'll give you that one. But since there's really nothing that different or special about them, then why don't we just ban them to make everyone else happy, and you, the gun nut, can feel free to buy a normal rifle, as you've said that it's really no different from an "assault" rifle.

See, we could make everyone happy if we banned assault rifles!

[Godson]

Bolt-action should be perfectly fine for hunting... If you need more rounds, you should probably practice more.
Same thing for protection. If you need that many rounds to protect yourself, you're doing something seriously wrong.

As OP mentioned, they aren't usually in that large of packs.
"Coyotes normally hunt alone or in pairs and rarely as a pack, unless the prey is a deer or other large animal."
"Packs living in sizable protected areas can have as many as five or six adults in addition to that season's pups."
If your worried about larger packs, go hunting with a bigger group or something. idk

Not true. I've personally shot 4 coyotes out of a group of 30+. How do I know there was thirty. Because the other guys we were hunting with tacked up 24 others in the same 'hunt'. We didn't get all of them.

[Crazed_Insanity]

That's a damn good reason, slm! :lol:

[LHutton]

It's funny how the gun nuts are so adamant that there's nothing really unique or special about "assault" rifles, and they're really no different from normal rifles.

Ok, fine, I'll give you that one. But since there's really nothing that different or special about them, then why don't we just ban them to make everyone else happy, and you, the gun nut, can feel free to buy a normal rifle, as you've said that it's really no different from an "assault" rifle.

See, we could make everyone happy if we banned assault rifles!
I guess it's because Assault Rifles have genuine uses for volume shooting at range and as in the link below, the 'pistol' would do just as much damage wrt massacres, as would a couple of pistols.

http://gtxforums.net/showthread.php?1254-Gun-control&p=74603&viewfull=1#post74603

As physical evidence of this I present 3 UK mass shootings:

1. Before ban on centre-fire semi-auto rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

2. After ban on centre-fire semi-auto rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

3. After ban on centre-fire handguns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

After the third one no action was taken, because it was realised that there was absolutely no fucking point.

[21Kid]

I said usually. :p

[Sad, little man]

I find it hilarious that your defense is that they have uses at a gun range, when essentially the act of shooting at a gun range boils down to shooting a bullet through a piece of paper and into a big pile of dense rubbish, which is about the most useless thing imaginable that you can do.

And again, if "assault" rifles are so damn close in their function to a normal rifle that they don't deserve to be singled out and banned, why not just shoot at pieces of paper with a normal rifle?

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13442196_1775026196059872_999082117882553114_n.jpg ?oh=590b036986cc12c2c84ee97f3c6076bf&oe=57FD58D4

[MR2 Fan]

the last sentence of that rightwing rant/rave is so ironic, but I'm sure people say it.

[TheBenior]

Yes, since religiosity and violence in a society are probably positively correlated.

[drew]

The point of course, being, that new controls won't take your guns away. They all fall back to that one. Where "stricter laws = guvment takin gats"/

Unless I'm missing something, I thought the whole "more laws" thing was about people acquiring them, not taking away the ones they have?

This whole debate is fucking stupid. Until the NRA stops shoving money at the lawmakers, not a goddamn thing is going to change.

Even if they had more extensive background checks, they have to do it ma usually on paper, because some fuckwit thought it'd be a good idea to ban the use of computer records for it in a bill some years ago.

So again, America, fuck yeah.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13434838_10105235137444442_3625983073976952136_n.j pg?oh=39d7282ce64e209d6b782539fe4a6d08&oe=57C3897C

[drew]

Boom. Say that for a week, then forget about the whole fucking thing until someone shoots up the next place.
Rinse
Repeat

[overpowered]

I find it hilarious that your defense is that they have uses at a gun range, when essentially the act of shooting at a gun range boils down to shooting a bullet through a piece of paper and into a big pile of dense rubbish, which is about the most useless thing imaginable that you can do.It's fun for a lot of people. I haven't done it a lot but I have done it enough to see how it's enjoyable.

I don't need a 30 round magazine to shoot at pieces of paper. 10 is more than enough. Having shot an AR-15, I did get a kick out of being able to stay on target and keep shooting the same spot without significant effort re-aiming. I've done more shooting with shotguns, which have a lot more kick. I generally need a few seconds after shooting a 12 gauge.

[overpowered]

Not true. I've personally shot 4 coyotes out of a group of 30+. How do I know there was thirty. Because the other guys we were hunting with tacked up 24 others in the same 'hunt'. We didn't get all of them.Just because you've seen it, that doesn't make it the norm. As he pointed out, coyotes typically don't gather in groups that large and when they do, it's generally a temporary arrangement to take down large prey like a deer (or maybe even a group of deer or bighorn sheep). They tend to be either solo or in small family groups most of the time.

[Godson]

We have large cattle farming here. Ergo, large game. It can happen on a fairly regular basis. Not in the 30+ range. Usually in the 7-10 range when the get ballsy enough to go after a younger calf/weaker and older cattle.

[Godson]

But I digress. I am for a reform. But this fuckstain had clearances that would have otherwise made these purchases likely just as easy.

His co-workers, wife, and many others fucked up and allowed this to happen. There were ample signs and people chose to ignore them. Because of that, we have 50+ dead people, and just as many wounded.

Making a 2 month waiting period'or any for that matter, for purchases wouldn't really stop the violence, it *could* curb the quick emotional grab from happening, but those who want to really fuck some shit up will eagerly wait with baited breath to carry out thier master plan.

The system needs a revamp:

Electronic checking of the background check.

2 week wait if needed unless a court order for self protection or some shit is needed.

Mandatory training for said purchased firearm.

If we are going to die by the second amendment. You better fucking believe that if you own an ar15, you'll be expected to have the militia background requirements to own it.

[Tom Servo]

Concerned NRA Official Rushes Out To Purchase Congressman Following Mass Shooting (http://www.theonion.com/article/concerned-nra-official-rushes-out-purchase-congres-53084)

[LHutton]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13434838_10105235137444442_3625983073976952136_n.j pg?oh=39d7282ce64e209d6b782539fe4a6d08&oe=57C3897C
:lol:

[drew]

Concerned NRA Official Rushes Out To Purchase Congressman Following Mass Shooting (http://www.theonion.com/article/concerned-nra-official-rushes-out-purchase-congres-53084)


Brilliant :up:

[21Kid]

It's probably true too. :(

[Rikadyn]

funny thing is, NRA isn't one of the larger lobbying groups from money aspect, but they have the manpower base to influence voting

[Sad, little man]

It's fun for a lot of people. I haven't done it a lot but I have done it enough to see how it's enjoyable.

I don't need a 30 round magazine to shoot at pieces of paper. 10 is more than enough. Having shot an AR-15, I did get a kick out of being able to stay on target and keep shooting the same spot without significant effort re-aiming. I've done more shooting with shotguns, which have a lot more kick. I generally need a few seconds after shooting a 12 gauge.

Playing soccer is fun for a lot of people, drawing is fun for a lot of people, riding bicycles is fun for a lot of people.

Is it too much to ask for everyone to just choose one of the many hobbies that don't involve owning a tool designed to kill things instead of this one single hobby that does? There are a lot of fun things to do, just find one of the thousands that don't involve owning a fucking gun!

But ok, I realize that might be asking too much, so how about this... Everyone can still shoot at pieces of paper, but let's just do it with guns that are a little more cumbersome to use than an AR. Yeah, I know people get a kick out of being able to stay on target better and keep shooting, and an AR makes that possible. But guess what? People getting a kick out of shooting a gun that lets you do that is really not important as keeping very efficient, accurate, and easy to use guns out of the hands of people who want to kill lots of people.

I'm sorry that it will spoil the fun for people that love being able to shoot at pieces of paper quickly and repeatedly by staying on target better. But people being able to stay on target better when shooting pieces of paper is not as fucking important as lowering the death toll of shooting incidents.

[Kchrpm]

Coworkers finally chimed in.

"None of the new proposed laws would have stopped any of these."
"Maybe we should be asking the FBI why they took him off the terrorist watch list. Apparently we aren't allowed to profile Muslims..."

[novicius]

I agree that no proposed Gun Controls would have stopped the Pulse shooting. The guy was private security, he would have access beyond the average citizen, most likely. Basically the same problem on the ultra-rare occasion when a Police Officer goes haywire.

But banning the production and sales of new semiautomatic pistols and rifles WILL prevent at least one of the next Sandy Hooks (not that we'll ever know).


EDIT: Keep this in mind my gun-owning friends: I firmly-firmly-FIRMLY believe that nothing substantive will be done. I am just blowing hot air and an offhand holier-than-thou opinion out into the nethersphere. :)

So don't worry about it, let me vent my useless pro-gun control thoughts and carry on. :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

Had there been a ban on assault style weapons and magazines/clips larger than 10 rounds, there may have been less deaths. It's easier to hit 100 people with an AR-15 with 30(guessing) rounds per reload, than with a hand gun and 10. Then again, he could have made a bomb instead...

And just because someone can be cleared to use a semi-auto rifle at work (don't know if Mateen was), doesn't have to mean he can have on at home.

Bolt action rifles, shotguns and revolvers are all you need for hunting and protection. If you want to keep the fun stuff around for sport, then they can be kept by and used at certified ranges, not individuals (don't some ranges have full auto weapons?). Everything else is just dick-swinging.



That all is best-case scenario. At the very least, every single gun purchase should be registered. Every owner/operator should have to have a test to get a license. More dangerous guns should need additional testing and licensing. The gun registration should have to be renewed every year, along with an inspection. That's what we do for cars/trucks, why not guns? And background checks for all, of course. Real ones, not the bullshit that the NRA has allowed.

[novicius]

All good, sound and rational thoughts! :up:

That and $2 will get you a coffee at McDonald's. ;)

[Tom Servo]

That's what we do for cars/trucks, why not guns?

Because cars/trucks aren't mentioned in the constitution, but an unfortunately vaguely worded amendment does. We still don't know if they meant that you should be bear arms if you're in a "well-regulated militia", or if you should just be able to bare arms in case someday you're meant to be in one. We don't know if it means you should be able to bare any arms, or just specific ones. But there's no right guaranteed at all in the constitution about cars/trucks.

That popped into my head this morning thinking about how pro-gun lawmakers are now saying you shouldn't be prevented from buying a gun just because you're on the no-fly list, because the no-fly list has many people on there by mistake. I've long held that to be true - the no-fly is certainly contains most people who should be on it, but it contains a lot of people who shouldn't be as well. But there's no constitutional right to air travel, so that's why the very lawmakers who insist that there are people on there that shouldn't be aren't doing shit to actually fix that situation.

[overpowered]

And just because someone can be cleared to use a semi-auto rifle at work (don't know if Mateen was), doesn't have to mean he can have on at home.Armed security guards usually don't use rifles. Even cops other than SWAT usually don't use rifles, though they often have shotguns in the car.


Bolt action rifles, shotguns and revolvers are all you need for hunting and protection. If you want to keep the fun stuff around for sport, then they can be kept by and used at certified ranges, not individuals (don't some ranges have full auto weapons?).There are ranges that have full-auto weapons. You may have to travel a fair bit to get to one. Keep in mind that you have to pay for every round and when you're shooting a lot of bullets per second, you're burning money every second. It's gets expensive really fast.


That all is best-case scenario. At the very least, every single gun purchase should be registered. Every owner/operator should have to have a test to get a license. More dangerous guns should need additional testing and licensing. The gun registration should have to be renewed every year, along with an inspection. That's what we do for cars/trucks, why not guns? And background checks for all, of course. Real ones, not the bullshit that the NRA has allowed.Sensible. Won't happen. 2nd amendment. NRA.

[21Kid]

I'm sorry that it will spoil the fun for people that love being able to shoot at pieces of paper quickly and repeatedly by staying on target better. But people being able to stay on target better when shooting pieces of paper is not as fucking important as lowering the death toll of shooting incidents. That's the thing that really pisses me off. There have been far more "freedoms" that have been "taken away" for far fewer offenses. I just don't understand how such a deadly item is so beloved by so many people, when it causes more harm than war does. :?

[21Kid]

It's too bad amendments can't be... amended. :(

[MR2 Fan]

It's too bad amendments can't be... amended. :(

wiki:

The Twenty-first Amendment (Amendment XXI) to the United States Constitution repealed the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which had mandated nationwide Prohibition on alcohol on January 17, 1920. The Twenty-first Amendment was ratified on December 5, 1933. It is unique among the 27 amendments of the U.S. Constitution for being the only one to repeal a prior amendment and to have been ratified by state ratifying conventions.

[drew]

I think they should make ALL gun purchases follow the Class III License registration/background.

I wonder how may Class III Licensees have used their fully automatic weapons in a shooting.

By virtue of having a Class III, you're already on their radar.

So, to me, if you have any intentions of getting any weapon to use for something like this, you're already flagged, as well as a much longer/comprehensive background check. Which, may deter someone from carrying out their plans.

As opposed to hating gay people, going to the store and spending a couple $1k on an AR-15, walking out that day, and spraying that night.

[Freude am Fahren]

Armed security guards usually don't use rifles. Even cops other than SWAT usually don't use rifles, though they often have shotguns in the car.

He worked for G4S, who does have some guards with rifles. I don't know if he ever used one in his job, but G4S guards the Nuclear Power Plant here and those guards have rifles.

[overpowered]

It's too bad amendments can't be... amended. :(As MR2 pointed out, they can and they have. It's just very very difficult.

[21Kid]

I know...

[Rikadyn]

well, anyone wanna loan me 6k?

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don't recall Bernies stance on guns..., but most likely against it, right?

Anyway, 1steps to amending the constitution is voting for more folks like Bernie into offices... The 'established' candidates such as Hillary will most likely only pay lip service to gun control while getting no results by simply blaming the other side.

For sure we can't count on the republicans to ban guns, but we also have to vote in the right liberals into offices...

Status quo will simply make sure we stay at the same crappy place.

[Phil_SS]

This.

Plus, I see it being somewhat the same as driving a car. If I have to have a license and insurance to own and drive a car then it should be the same for a gun. If you want a handgun you have to get a license and insurance. If you want a AR-15 then it is like driving a semi, you need a Class III license and insurance.


I think they should make ALL gun purchases follow the Class III License registration/background.

I wonder how may Class III Licensees have used their fully automatic weapons in a shooting.

By virtue of having a Class III, you're already on their radar.

So, to me, if you have any intentions of getting any weapon to use for something like this, you're already flagged, as well as a much longer/comprehensive background check. Which, may deter someone from carrying out their plans.

As opposed to hating gay people, going to the store and spending a couple $1k on an AR-15, walking out that day, and spraying that night.

[Jason]

These ideas are reasonable.

And thus, will never happen.

[21Kid]

AR-15 Inventor’s Family: This Was Meant to Be a Military Weapon (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356)

In the wake of the Orlando shooting that left 49 victims dead, the family of the inventor of the AR-15 rifle says that the gun was not intended for civilian use but for military purposes.

“Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News. “He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events.”

I don't think that's what was used in Orlando... But, still.

[thesameguy]

OMG.

Is THERE GOING TO BE AN AR15 HOUSE????

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13458653_10153648298786179_4005962412628530460_o.j pg

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyFE4yT51Jc

[thesameguy]

There isn't room in my pants by a long shot.

No, I don't wear skinny jeans.

[JoshInKC]

I think they should make ALL gun purchases follow the Class III License registration/background.

I wonder how may Class III Licensees have used their fully automatic weapons in a shooting.

I heard somewhere years ago that there had been precisely one. Done by a corrupt miami police officer with his legally owned MAC 10

[G'day Mate]

You know, I'm just old enough to remember when smoking was cool, now the majority frown upon smokers. I'm not old enough to remember when almost everybody smoked, but my parents are. We've gone from being a society where smoking was accepted (even recommended!) to demonised, and I think that's what needs to happen in America to gun-lovery. Let them have their guns but make them feel like childish fools, then you might have a chance of getting some legislation through.

[overpowered]

I am sometimes amazed at how many people still smoke. Smokers have been a minority for a while but they are still all over the place.

The ban on smoking in businesses open to the public seemed to make a huge dent.

A while back I went out to the desert to hike with friends and on the way back, we were having a hard time finding a place to stop to eat that was actually open on a Sunday night. We decided to try the Viejas Casino which was on the way home. Fuck. They still have smoking there (it's on Kumeyaay land) . I had almost forgotten what it was like to be in a big smoky room. Fortunately, they had a non-smoking part of the casino that had a few restaurants.

I don't see a similar thing happening with guns. The gun nuts are really living in another reality. Even the most die-hard smokers have to admit that smoking is bad for them.

[G'day Mate]

Not with that attitude!

I don't think it's an impossible thing, it's just going to be a long game.

[TheBenior]

AR-15 Inventor’s Family: This Was Meant to Be a Military Weapon (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/family-ar-15-inventor-speaks-out-n593356)


I don't think that's what was used in Orlando... But, still.
I'm inclined to think that this is wishful thinking by his family. The Colt AR-15 SP1 went on sale in 1963, and Bushmaster has been making (lower quality) clones since the 1970s. If he had a problem with that, Stoner had the last 34 years of his life to say so.

I do believe that it was intended for government sales with any civilian sales being incidental, which was the intention of most non-pocket pistol designs going back to the mid-1800s. There wasn't a sizeable market for new semi-automatic rifle designs and a new kind of ammunition in the post-WW2 Era when surplus rifles and ammunition could be had cheaply.

[mk]

You know, I'm just old enough to remember when smoking was cool
I remember a day when Marlboro demo pack of 5 was delivered by mail.

[MR2 Fan]

I am sometimes amazed at how many people still smoke. Smokers have been a minority for a while but they are still all over the place.

The ban on smoking in businesses open to the public seemed to make a huge dent.

I'm surprised more of them haven't switched to E-cigs, they're so much less anti-social, even though the jury is still out on some health aspects, I think they're MUCH more acceptable than regular cigarettes to most people....no bad smell, no cig butts everywhere, no yellow teeth, etc.

[SportWagon]

I remember a day when Marlboro demo pack of 5 was delivered by mail.
I remember lying awake in bed, trying to fall asleep while my parents were watching TV, and hearing that theme song...

[overpowered]

me2

[LHutton]

http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/16/former-navy-seal-the-ar-15-is-a-citizens-best-defense-against-terrorism/


Former Navy SEAL: The AR-15 Is A Citizen’s Best Defense Against Terrorism

"Why would you want to ban the gun you pray for police to show up with?"

JUNE 16, 2016 By The Federalist Staff

In the wake of the Orlando terrorist attack, the deadliest strike on U.S. soil since 9/11, Democratic lawmakers and progressive activists have responded by attempting to limit access to firearms — particularly the AR-15, which was incorrectly reported as the weapon the terrorist used to kill at least 49 people and injure another 53.

In a new video, former Navy SEAL Dom Raso explains why the AR-15, the most popular rifle in the country, gives Americans the best chance of surviving in an age of terror.

“The only way for us to stay free was by having whatever guns the bad guys have,” he said. “This firearm gives average people the advantage they so desperately need and deserve to protect their life, liberty, and happiness.”

Choosing to defend one’s home with an AR-15 is a commonsense choice, as it is powerful, accurate, and easy to shoot, Raso said.

Gun control legislation doesn’t stop terror attacks, heexplained, citing the two terrorists who who weren’t deterred by California’s assault weapons ban when they killed 14 people in San Bernardino last year. Nor would any gun ban have stopped the Boston Bombers when they detonated a bomb at the Boston Marathon, killing three and wounding at least 260 others.

Ironically, both of those incidents of terror were brought to a stop by armed police officers responding to the scene with AR-15s–the same weapon legislators are trying to ban.

“Why would you want to ban the gun you pray for police to show up with?” Raso asked.

Raso said Hillary Clinton’s desire to ban rifles like the AR-15 is hypocritical since she herself relies on guards armed with them for her protection.

“I fought this enemy face-to-face for 12 years,” he said. “I know how they think, and I know the hatred that burns inside them.”

“Thank God we have the Second Amendment.”

[MR2 Fan]

That's a whole lotta missing the point

[thesameguy]

Seriously. This one time a terrorist was in my kitchen making a sandwich when I came home. Fortunately I had my AR15. No more hometown terrorist threat!

[LHutton]

I support more regulation, which involves car license style testing and LEO-style vetting but I don't think a ban would accomplish anything.

[LHutton]

Seriously. This one time a terrorist was in my kitchen making a sandwich when I came home. Fortunately I had my AR15. No more hometown terrorist threat!
Boston marathon bomber hid-out in someone's garden.

[overpowered]

1. The AR-15 is legal in California with some restrictions. Large capacity magazines are not but they are easy to obtain with a day trip to Arizona or Nevada or Oregon.

2. It was SWAT with AR-15's (and full body armor and training) that stopped the terrorists in San Bernadino. Luckily the local SWAT team was doing a training exercise not far from the incident and so was able to get there quickly. It was not regular citizens without training but with AR-15's.

3. The Boston bombing wasn't stopped by police at all, AR-15's or no. The suspects were hunted down after the fact by police, FBI, ATF, DHS and the National Guard. There may have been AR-15's, M16's or even M4 carbines among them but I can't find information on that. In any case, they didn't stop the attack. They only killed/apprehended the suspects.

[overpowered]

This is still semi-auto -- again, highly skilled shooter who can shoot faster than the average person but still:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ub3rtWELGs

Full auto M16A1 for comparison:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0ChjY-Nns

[overpowered]

But ok, I realize that might be asking too much, so how about this... Everyone can still shoot at pieces of paper, but let's just do it with guns that are a little more cumbersome to use than an AR. Yeah, I know people get a kick out of being able to stay on target better and keep shooting, and an AR makes that possible. But guess what? People getting a kick out of shooting a gun that lets you do that is really not important as keeping very efficient, accurate, and easy to use guns out of the hands of people who want to kill lots of people.

I'm sorry that it will spoil the fun for people that love being able to shoot at pieces of paper quickly and repeatedly by staying on target better. But people being able to stay on target better when shooting pieces of paper is not as fucking important as lowering the death toll of shooting incidents.We could do with assault rifles what we already do for full auto guns for the most part: restrict them so heavily that you pretty much have to go to a gun range to even put your hands on one. People who want to shoot them for fun still can. I suppose that there's still a chance a terrorist could try to take out all the people at a gun range but that terrorist is going to have the problem that all the people that they are shooting at will be shooting back.

[LHutton]

We could do with assault rifles what we already do for full auto guns for the most part: restrict them so heavily that you pretty much have to go to a gun range to even put your hands on one. People who want to shoot them for fun still can. I suppose that there's still a chance a terrorist could try to take out all the people at a gun range but that terrorist is going to have the problem that all the people that they are shooting at will be shooting back.
Well i think you just made an argument for guns there. No mass-shootings ever occur at a gun range.

[mk]

I remember lying awake in bed, trying to fall asleep while my parents were watching TV, and hearing that theme song...
Still can't believe it's not a western series theme, and I've checked few.

[Rikadyn]

This is still semi-auto -- again, highly skilled shooter who can shoot faster than the average person but still:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ub3rtWELGs


With a 260 dollar competition double break trigger, first pull is 4lbs (standard trigger is 6-8lbs) second pull is less than 1lb.

[Alan P]

I still say make them all pink with flashing LED's and make it illegal to change or modify it. Including spraying it or blanking/removing the LED's.

[LHutton]

That will only lead to killing sprees to the tune of LMFAO's Party Rock Anthem, and you know it.

[G'day Mate]

I still say make them all pink with flashing LED's and make it illegal to change or modify it. Including spraying it or blanking/removing the LED's.

:lol: Not entirely dissimilar to what I was suggesting above. Our media recently stopped calling a one-punch attack a "king hit" and now calls it a "coward punch" instead. You could re-name all assault rifles "poofter guns".

[MR2 Fan]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/axDNjWp_460s.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wrong thread dude! Guns won't kill the aliens, we will be the ones doing the killing!

[Alan P]

Wrong thread dude! Guns won't kill the aliens, we will be the ones doing the killing!

Sadly, and perhaps inevitably, any race or species advanced enough to master FTL travel, could, should the notion take them, annihilate us from orbit without even entering the atmosphere. We are, really, still infants on a cosmological scale.

[LHutton]

Sadly, and perhaps inevitably, any race or species advanced enough to master FTL travel, could, should the notion take them, annihilate us from orbit without even entering the atmosphere.
Not if they're as shit as the ones off Battleship. A 70 year-old retired cruiser will take them out.

[G'day Mate]

:lol:

[21Kid]

Thoughts & Prayers, A Short Video Game That Skewers Gun Control Inaction (http://kotaku.com/thoughts-prayers-a-short-video-game-that-skewers-gun-1782178390)

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--NRO-kJ1J--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/z5mdltuxp8puppyn6yfp.png

[Freude am Fahren]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--FZlG66kC--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/jjzpvgasq6j3mnaxputg.jpg

That was posted by someone AGAINST gun control...

[LHutton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-kaeyxdgY#t=17

[MR2 Fan]

I was reading an article on FB and apparently someone in Japan killed someone else with a chopstick (somehow).

Then, as you know, the comment section of these articles are filled with PhD's, scholars, etc.. The first comment was something along the lines of "see, even if you take away guns, people will still find ways to kill each other"....to which I replied "yeah, I can seriously see one person with a chopstick killing 49 people and injuring 53 of them"

The ludicrousness of his post spoke volumes.

[thesameguy]

I think it's less a matter of the chopstick but rather who has the chopstick.

[MR2 Fan]

I think it's less a matter of the chopstick but rather who has the chopstick.

I mean it would be a great thing for a kung fu film....

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes young grasshopper, kungfu kill no people, only kungfu master kill people! No chopsticks required.

[overpowered]

The GOP wants to make sure that people on the terrorist watch list can buy guns:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/gun-safety-measures-defeated-senate-republicans-orlando

[LHutton]

I mean it would be a great thing for a kung fu film....
A woman once killed 89 people with a katana.

[LHutton]

http://nypost.com/2016/06/20/obamas-war-on-omitted/amp/


Idiotic: That’s the only word for the Obama administration’s move to scrub references to Islam or ISIS from the transcripts of Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen’s calls.

Under an avalanche of ridicule, the Justice Department on Monday relented and released the full transcripts. But what was the point? Everyone already knew that he’d pledged allegiance to ISIS and its “caliph.”

Fine: President Obama wants to make this about gun control, not terrorism — but ham-handed editing only calls attention to what you’re deleting, and to Obama’s peevish rules against uttering terms like “radical Islam.”


Just look at the redactions:

Mateen: “I pledge of allegiance to [omitted]. “I pledge allegiance to [omitted] may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted].”

All the omissions did was make Team Obama look determined to keep its head in the sand about the nature of the enemy.

Even the “explanations” sounded dumb. Here’s Attorney General Loretta Lynch on ABC’s “This Week”: “What we’re not going to do is further proclaim this man’s pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda.”

Further his propaganda? Seriously? The answer to Islamist jihad is to black out the words?

Lynch never did anything this absurd in all her years as US Attorney here in New York, so you know the order came down from above.

It’s also idiocy déjà vu: Four years ago, Team Obama made then-UN Ambassador Susan Rice tour all the Sunday shows to blame the deadly Benghazi attack on an Internet video, rather than on the terrorist plot they all knew it was. She looked a fool once the administration finally admitted the truth, just as Loretta Lynch does now.

[21Kid]

The GOP wants to make sure that people on the terrorist watch list can buy guns:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/gun-safety-measures-defeated-senate-republicans-orlando
:mad: :smh:

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-15554-hundred-dollar-bills-gif-count-KDFk.gif

[Rikadyn]

The GOP wants to make sure that people on the terrorist watch list can buy guns:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/gun-safety-measures-defeated-senate-republicans-orlando

And what about the Dems rejecting 2 bills themselves?

[thesameguy]

Indeed....

[drew]

In this context, the stupidity is bi-partisan. They're all fucking idiots in the pocket of the NRA.

To re-state from the other thread, I don't understand this fucking country at all.

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4qHzd3xfM

[thesameguy]

I think Kid said it best...

[Jason]

Remember, we did NOTHING after Sandy Hook.

If they didn't care about kids being murdered en masse, why would they care to do anything after a bunch of 'gays' are killed?