T.50

[XHawkeye]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8RspeDXUAE5QiZ.jpg

We are excited to announce the first details of our #T50Supercar.

Read the full Press release here: http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com (http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/news-articles/gordon-murray-automotive-reveals-details-for-its-new-%E2%80%98t.50%E2%80%99-the-purest,-lightest,-most-driver-focused-supercar-ever.html)

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I like it, it's old school: 2,200 lbs, 650 hp, no turbos, 12,100 redline, H-pattern gearbox, sucker fan for downforce

[Kchrpm]

I like it very much.

[samoht]

:up:

[neanderthal]

650hp from a 4 liter V12. :twitch:

That's a 2 liter, naturally aspirated, inline 6, making 325 hp. <bonkers> Is this thing going to be street legal? The S2000 made 240 hp from 2 liters and was famed for being the highest horsepower per NA displacement, and this is going to make more?

[2ndMoparMan]

Well, even as advanced as the S2k's engine was, now 20 years on, engine management tech has to have evolved quite a bit. Metalurugical tech too, I would imagine. Still you're right, that's still really impressive.

[CudaMan]

The RPM likely has a lot to do with it. 12k is astronomical. I wonder what the powerband and torque curves are like. With a 6-speed transmission, it'll be interesting to see what lower RPM performance is like. ~11k of useable rev range is quite a lot.

I see it's a Cosworth V12. Aren't they also doing the AM Valkyrie engine, which is also a very high revving medium-size engine?

[Godson]

Cuda, you are correct. Cosworth is doing the engine for the Valkyrie also

[Rare White Ape]

Gimme gimme

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wow! Taking the McLaren F1 to another level! Should be called the F0!!! Wonder why it's called T.50? 50 for anniversary, but what's the T?

[Dicknose]

Power from revs = lots of dollars

sucker fan makes it sound like it wont be very street compatible!

[Rare White Ape]

If they’re thinking, and I’m sure they are, then that fan will be turn-off-able.

[Dicknose]

If they’re thinking, and I’m sure they are, then that fan will be turn-off-able.

Thinking more how low it will need to be for a sucker fan to help.
Not so much "am I a streetsweeper/vacuum"

[Godson]

Chaparral 2J.

They just need the side skirts to go low.

[Rare White Ape]

Thinking more how low it will need to be for a sucker fan to help.
Not so much "am I a streetsweeper/vacuum"

Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. I was more thinking that you were concerned with it throwing rocks at pedestrians.

But we've seen some seriously low track-focused hypercars in recent times, I don't think height will be too much of a problem for them.

[FaultyMario]

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/09/03_Das_Luftfederungssystem_AIRMATIC_660x602.jpg

It has been done.

[FaultyMario]

Thanks, Mick. Can't believe I'd forgotten bout it.

[CudaMan]

It's exciting. Looking forward to seeing what Gordon Murray has come up with this time. And what kind of statement is accepted by the use of a traditional manual transmission, which all the experts (self-imposed and otherwise) say is outdated and inferior.

Visually, it already hasn't aged as well as the F1.

[Kchrpm]

From the article I read recently, most of the people that came to him to pre-order begged him to make it a traditional manual. He was originally planning for a sequential. Only one of his current customers does not know how to drive stick.

The racing versions will be sequential, though.

[Rare White Ape]

most of the people that came to him to pre-order begged him to make it a traditional manual.

And he said, “Ok boomers,” and that was that.

[Rare White Ape]

On this page: https://gordonmurrayautomotive.com/en/#home

Scroll down a bit and you can see a video of Cosworth's engine test mule for the 3.9 litre V12 that will eventually sit in the back of the T.50.

It is currently a 3-cylinder (presumably 975cc at that) which in the video briefly revs to 12,100 RPM and sounds amazing.

It's interesting how they're making this car in this age using a fully naturally-aspirated engine, with no hybrid, turbo or electric boost.

[Yobbo NZ]

Would have loved my little Suzuki Swift G10a engine to rev like that.

[XHawkeye]

https://media.evo.co.uk/image/private/s--6V2PSv32--/t_content-image-desktop@1/v1596546301/evo/2020/08/t50%20front%201.jpg

https://media.evo.co.uk/image/private/s--fPCKA19P--/t_content-image-desktop@2/v1596546692/evo/2020/08/t504.jpg

The exterior styling doesn't do anything for me but like the interior (with no touch screens) and that it's the size of a Cayman.




https://youtu.be/NT8PMXCMrsM

[XHawkeye]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeltaL8WAAUVUfI.jpg

[Kchrpm]

Looks like a number of sources have a similar video in the same location. I'm watching the Top Gear one currently, which starts with Gordon checking out his old personal car, the McLaren F1 XP3, and explaining the things on it that he got wrong (including the maintenance things, like using a fuel bag which required regular, insanely involved replacements).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EIYQ6fkG4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavyKN479Qw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VorejngDjbA

Here is the official video from the company's channel, with Dario Franchitti:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGw2NDgERgI

[Kchrpm]

The RPM likely has a lot to do with it. 12k is astronomical. I wonder what the powerband and torque curves are like. With a 6-speed transmission, it'll be interesting to see what lower RPM performance is like. ~11k of useable rev range is quite a lot.

I see it's a Cosworth V12. Aren't they also doing the AM Valkyrie engine, which is also a very high revving medium-size engine?

Gordon says that it's all bespoke and separate stuff than the Valkyrie, but Cosworth probably learned from making the Valkyrie engine.

He also said that it has two fuel mappings: one with 9500 rpm redline (for going shopping!), and 12.1k rpm redline mode, because he wanted to have a torque mode and a revs mode. What he didn't realize when requesting that, though, was that Cosworth would be able to get 75% of max torque at 2500 rpm in the 12.1k redline mode.

[Rare White Ape]

What are you doing uploading this pornography to a family website?

To me the styling ahead of the front axle could do with a slight rethink to make it look more aggressive (look at the Lotus Evija for an example of fantastic modern design).

But everything else is just fap-worthy.

[CudaMan]

Several of the styling elements don't quite work for me either, but there's no denying the whole package is functional. Gordon talks about the design as if he was the designer of both cars -- wasn't the F1 designed by Peter Stevens? Probably with Gordon's input of course.

I've watched only 2 of the videos posted today. Kch didn't post my favorite of the two, so I'll put it here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT8PMXCMrsM

[Kchrpm]

That's the one XHawkeye put in his post! :)

I'm just now watching it, too, and it has automatic rev matching! I don't need to learn to heel-toe! Now just to make $3 million somehow...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Very nice.

However, I think I'd prefer the old F1 but with this new Cosworth engine! Would that save me $2 million? :D

[Rare White Ape]

That's the one XHawkeye put in his post! :)

I'm just now watching it, too, and it has automatic rev matching! I don't need to learn to heel-toe! Now just to make $3 million somehow...

You should learn it. It’s really satisfying :D

[Yw-slayer]

He can learn to heel-toe, and make USD3 million, a little bit at a time.

On looks, it's fine. I mean the F1 looked good and still does, but there were and are prettier cars out there. But you don't necessarily buy or drive an F1, or this, for the way it looks. It's fine as long as they don't look too bland or average.

[Rare White Ape]

I watched the Carfection video. It's 45 minutes, and I only got the chance to finish off the last half-hour after I came home from work.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKRMY4sm_f0

A couple of things stood out for me. First was the papaya orange highlight of the interior details in this prototype car :shocker:

Second, was that this is is absolutely the successor to the McLaren F1. Murray is directly comparing features of the T.50 to what they were able to do and improve upon with the F1, as if he was working for Toyota and comparing leg room and fuel economy numbers with last year's Corolla. Not a spiritual successor. The successor.

We've had cars that succeeded the F1 before, but this is where the third thing comes in which stood out to me: there are many cars out there that are faster and by all objective measures better than the F1. The T.50 is not designed to be better than them; that high-tech mega-dollar horse bolted many years ago. Bugattis, Koenigseggs, Ferraris... the list goes on. Modern hypercars that exceed the F1 are a dime a dozen nowadays. Heck, even the Carrera 4S would challenge it in most endeavours. But that's not what this car is about.

Virtually every design decision presented here is with the sole aim of making this car the most enjoyable boomer chariot ever produced. It's a 1990s hypercar built in the 2020s with modern technology, but with none of the fluff that spoils the purity. It would be like Pink Floyd reforming to make a new version of Dark Side of the Moon and it somehow being just as good as the original album, but you wouldn't get it on Spotify - you'd by a high-definition 192kHz 24-bit audio disc and play it on a dedicated hi-fi using headphones worth $6000.

I mean...

LOOK AT THE PEDALS

JUST LOOK AT THEM

https://i.imgur.com/An3KE2Q.png

[Crazed_Insanity]

Very nice analogy! :lol: :up:

[CudaMan]

That's the one XHawkeye put in his post! :)
Fail! :lol:


I'm just now watching it, too, and it has automatic rev matching! I don't need to learn to heel-toe! Now just to make $3 million somehow...

You could buy a 370Z, it does rev-matched downshifts for you too - thankfully with a switch to turn that feature off (I tried it, it felt wrong to me to be downshifting without blipping the throttle - like I was hurting the car, even though I knew the system was preventing that).




However, I think I'd prefer the old F1 but with this new Cosworth engine! Would that save me $2 million? :D
I'm sure this new Cosworth will sound amazing. I doubt it will sound much like the larger V12 in the F1. That engine had a baritone bark that was really, really cool.



We've had cars that succeeded the F1 before, but this is where the third thing comes in which stood out to me: there are many cars out there that are faster and by all objective measures better than the F1. The T.50 is not designed to be better than them; that high-tech mega-dollar horse bolted many years ago. Bugattis, Koenigseggs, Ferraris... the list goes on. Modern hypercars that exceed the F1 are a dime a dozen nowadays. Heck, even the Carrera 4S would challenge it in most endeavours. But that's not what this car is about.

Virtually every design decision presented here is with the sole aim of making this car the most enjoyable boomer chariot ever produced. It's a 1990s hypercar built in the 2020s with modern technology, but with none of the fluff that spoils the purity. It would be like Pink Floyd reforming to make a new version of Dark Side of the Moon and it somehow being just as good as the original album, but you wouldn't get it on Spotify - you'd by a high-definition 192kHz 24-bit audio disc and play it on a dedicated hi-fi using headphones worth $6000.
I think Gordon doesn't believe that any of the hypercars that have come since the F1 are better. His philosophy seems to be that "better" has nothing to do with being faster around a track or in benchmarks. Better means improved driver involvement, feel, excitement, usability.... total focus on the driving experience. This philosophy is evident in how softly (relatively speaking) his cars are sprung. They aren't "track day specials." The lengths he goes to achieve lighter weight are impressively thorough, from initial design/engineering concept all the way down to the tiniest detail.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, it'll be real difficult for me to judge which hypercar is better since I don't think I'll ever get a chance to drive any of those cars... so I'll just have to take your word for these cars or play gran turismo to decide for myself! :p

Gordon Murray and Adrian Newey are my 2 most favorite designers... pretty sure any car designed by them can't go too wrong... It'd be awesome if someday the 2 could collaborate...

[samoht]

Very cool, I like the way that Gordon Murray consciously stands in the tradition of Colin Chapman. The commitment and ingenuity it takes to chase out excess mass, wherever it might reside, is wonderful to behold. As an example above, the 'obvious' thing would be to make all three pedals in the same way, but in fact the accelerator is thinner, because the force on it will never be as much as the brake or clutch - it doesn't need to be as strong/stiff, so it shouldn't be as heavy.

I remember being interviewed for a job by Steve Randle, who worked on the F1, and him talking me through an example they'd done. I also remember him being scathing about the Veyron and then-current LR Discovery for their weight.

So yeah, really happy to see GM light-ening strike again. The F1 wasn't the best looking of the 90s supercars - that was the XJ220 for me - but the shape was defined by the need to condense those potent ingredients into the smallest possible envelope, and that was justification enough. The T50 is the same, I don't think it looks particularly beautiful but to pack the V12 and three seats into such a small package, and keep the aero working over such a wide dynamic range, is enough. In a sense both cars are like fighter jets, they aren't styled to look nice but to package the mechanicals into a shape that works aerodynamically, with the appropriate stability under varying conditions. I particularly liked the point about making downforce with the underbody venturi so that it's in the centre of the car, rather than trying to balance appendages front and rear.


If I'm going to nit-pick, GM claimed that the air-con was poor on the F1 because the compressor had to survive running at the 8,000 rpm limit, so at idle it wasn't very effective. There are plenty of Japanese cars that had 8,000rpm engines and air con that was adequate for the tropical Japanese summer, even back in the 90s. So I think that's a bit of a convenient excuse ;-)

[MR2 Fan]

We've had cars that succeeded the F1 before, but this is where the third thing comes in which stood out to me: there are many cars out there that are faster and by all objective measures better than the F1. The T.50 is not designed to be better than them; that high-tech mega-dollar horse bolted many years ago. Bugattis, Koenigseggs, Ferraris... the list goes on. Modern hypercars that exceed the F1 are a dime a dozen nowadays. Heck, even the Carrera 4S would challenge it in most endeavours. But that's not what this car is about.


For the most part yes, but as far as I know, the F1 is still the fastest production car with a naturally aspirated engine...always made me wonder what speeds it could achieve with some boost...we may never know

[Crazed_Insanity]

What's GM's reason against turbos I wonder? Turbo lag? If weight saving's is the ultimate goal, I'd think turbo engines would be lighter?

Anyway, personally I just like high revving NA engines..., but if we were to put feelings aside, shouldn't turbos give weight advantage? (Maybe he explained all this in one of those videos posted? sorry, I just haven't finished watching them...)

[XHawkeye]

If I'm going to nit-pick, GM claimed that the air-con was poor on the F1 because the compressor had to survive running at the 8,000 rpm limit, so at idle it wasn't very effective. There are plenty of Japanese cars that had 8,000rpm engines and air con that was adequate for the tropical Japanese summer, even back in the 90s. So I think that's a bit of a convenient excuse ;-)

The other reason he mentions for the bad a/c was there wasn't adequate air flow out of the cabin.




What's GM's reason against turbos I wonder? Turbo lag?

Yes, he wanted max throttle response, "I also said they had to better the F1's response speed, which was about 10,000 revs a second in neutral." The new motor adds 28,400 revs a second with no load.

[Rare White Ape]

Turbos are, essentially, just shit.

They rip out the lovely sound. They kill engine response. They add heaps of lag.

Modern turbos are pretty good. But they suck.

Gimme a crisp, multi-cylinder, small displacement, high-revving, naturally aspirated engine over turbos please.

[MR2 Fan]

I like the styling mostly, especially from the back...would like a darker silver though...to match better with the headlights, etc.

I keep hearing people (morons) saying the front looks like an MR2 Spyder.....as a former owner MR2 Spyder owner, I wonder what they're smoking

[CudaMan]

Delayed, non-linear engine response. Gordon would never have it for his flagship Driver's Car.

The T-43 is expected to have a Ford turbo 3cyl. I would guess his reasonings to go turbo on that car have to do with A) wanting to use a mass-produced, already-certified engine for cost savings, and B) weight, size, and packaging as they relate to a desired torque curve. This will be a more affordable sports car so a bespoke Cosworth V12 is probably out of budget. :) Besides that, there probably aren't many inexpensive, smaller, balanced high output NA engines to choose from anymore.

[Rare White Ape]

2.6L Hayabusa V8...

Hell, my Aprilia 1100 V4 already makes a really good light weight sportscar engine.

Edit: Well I guess he's already gone down the motorcycle engine route with the Rocket (do you now see one of the biggest reasons why I'm such a motorcycle nut?) but upon reflection picking a good car engine for the smaller low-cost car is a wise choice.

[Freude am Fahren]

I like the design, and the nods to the F1 in it. I don't like the 2-tone, but he did say all the black would be exposed carbon on production models. And, it's entirely bespoke anyway.

The one thing I don't like it I feel the body work should swoop down and back up more between the wheels. Seems a bit slab-sided there.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Delayed, non-linear engine response. Gordon would never have it for his flagship Driver's Car.

The T-43 is expected to have a Ford turbo 3cyl. I would guess his reasonings to go turbo on that car have to do with A) wanting to use a mass-produced, already-certified engine for cost savings, and B) weight, size, and packaging as they relate to a desired torque curve. This will be a more affordable sports car so a bespoke Cosworth V12 is probably out of budget. :) Besides that, there probably aren't many inexpensive, smaller, balanced high output NA engines to choose from anymore.

I wonder if he could fit the S2000 engine in there... That would be perfect! ;)

T-43 sounds like a more reasonable car... at least for us! :p

[Crazed_Insanity]

I keep hearing people (morons) saying the front looks like an MR2 Spyder.....as a former owner MR2 Spyder owner, I wonder what they're smoking

I hadn't noticed before, but now that you mentioned it... the head lights do resemble the MR2 spyder a bit, don't you think? Sorry for being a moron... :p

I have to say T50's headlights are my 2nd least favorite feature on the car... #1 being that big fan on its butt.

The big headlights made it look dated, but I guess I can understand that because he also has some big air ducts hiding under those lights so you don't even notice the ducts thanks to those headlights... The big round fan exhaust just made it look cheesy like a bat mobile..., but since everything is actually functional and do serve a purpose, I'm not going to complain much! :p

[XHawkeye]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EetDTYdUYAAfWK0.jpg

https://twitter.com/AxisOfOversteer/status/1291199726621061120

[FaultyMario]

Murray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Newey.
Except for the foglights, those like late seventies shit.


I hope Pedroumo gets a chance to design a road car.
Anybody got any info on what material is the windshield?

[Rare White Ape]

Anybody got any info on what material is the windshield?

I'm not clear on it, no.

[FaultyMario]

Except for the foglights, those like late seventies shit.



Got it. It's a joke. Not funny, really.

[neanderthal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EetDTYdUYAAfWK0.jpg

https://twitter.com/AxisOfOversteer/status/1291199726621061120

:lol:

[Crazed_Insanity]

It still looks like 3 million bucks! :D

[MR2 Fan]

I guess that's a compliment for the MR2 Spyder, but I still don't see the comparison...looks more like a porsche 918 front end to me

[Kchrpm]

Back to the function of the car, I found the explanation of how the fan actually works very interesting. It's not literally sucking the car to the ground, it's just making extremely aggressive ground effects more effective than they would be normally. And since the fan is controllable, it's basically providing adjustable ground effects downforce.

[CudaMan]

In another mode it can also reduce drag and simultaneously provide extra thrust. A very interesting concept. The Formula 1 fan car had skirts that dragged the ground, sealing off the underbody air, and so the fan was literally creating a powerful vacuum underneath the car. That's not practical for road cars of course, so the T.50 has a diffuser shaped so aggressively that it wouldn't work without the fan. The air wouldn't follow the diffuser well enough for it to work; instead it would tumble off the beginning of the diffuser in a wake of turbulence. The fan keeps the air attached to the diffuser (with its high "angle of attack" I'll call it) allowing that much more aggressive diffuser shape to work effectively. Pretty cool! Especially the bit about where the center of pressure is when this system is working (it ends up ahead of the diffuser, approximately in the middle of the car).

I was waiting for someone to post the Spyder front end photo. :lol: The two cars weigh about the same, and if you've spent any time around a Spyder you know how basic and small they are. What GMA has achieved with weight is mind blowing, but I guess exotic materials count for a chunk of that. :)

[Crazed_Insanity]

I wonder if that fan makes any significant noise...
Also, can't wait to hear what the engine sounds like while dancing around the track...
Show us some videos GM, enough words! :p

[Kchrpm]

I wonder if that fan makes any significant noise...
Also, can't wait to hear what the engine sounds like while dancing around the track...
Show us some videos GM, enough words! :p

In one of the videos he discusses the timeline, as of the videos we've seen being recorded they didn't actually have a working engine at the factory to install. The first one was getting delivered at the end of July, installed in the first half of August, and the first test laps near the end of August. Fingers crossed that they'll be fast and open with those vids.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Looking forward to it!!!

My expectation is that this car will sound better than modern day hybrid F1 cars! :p

[XHawkeye]

Chris Harris & Gordon Murray podcast.

https://collectingcars.com/podcasts/

If you've watch the videos (I'd guess a 1/3 of the podcast is about the T.50) or heard Murray talk about his racing career there's not much new here but if you need to kill 90 minutes listening to something it's good.

One 'new' story I heard, G.M. was a 20% share holder in McLaren Auto. After the F1 he proposed (2) cars using one using the BMW V-8 and another using the I-6, mounted Miura style tilted Slant-6 style over the transmission. Ron had signed a deal with M-B for race engines but assured Gordon that BMW wouldn't mind (which Gordon knew was wrong) and they went to Munich to sign the papers. The BMW crew was all smiles until Ron told them about the M-B race deal at which point BMW left the room while Gordon shook his head.

[The359]

I did like the Top Gear video, specifically discussing the F1. It was striking to hear Gordon Murray list the failings of the F1, for a car that has been held up on such a high pedestal. Obviously it was minor things, but I was surprised to hear he didn't like some of the design elements like the intake spine and rear end. I especially had never heard that the headlights were shit. :lol:

[Kchrpm]

I remember them saying the headlights were bad on the race car at LeMans, but the story made it sound like all the headlights for all the cars were bad in the rain, and the two they added near the center on the front helped them maintain speed in poor visibility.

[JoshInKC]

One thing that seeing all those videos and articles has convinced me of is that an Alpine A110 seems like a fun car irl.

[The359]

I remember them saying the headlights were bad on the race car at LeMans, but the story made it sound like all the headlights for all the cars were bad in the rain, and the two they added near the center on the front helped them maintain speed in poor visibility.

I remember McLaren put out a video on the anniversary of the victory and discussed the headlights, I think they developed them more for the spread of the beam width since they are angled to the side, to help on cornering in the night.

[Kchrpm]

Yep, that's the one I was thinking of!

I was going to try and find it, but they've made most of the videos in that playlist private now :down:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3qlHT2q0_eXmyZVjvkKY24INtNxEEPcY

[Freude am Fahren]

I seem to remember that McLaren offered a Xenon upgrade quite a few years later, because they were so bad. I think that and the Downforce pack were quite popular.

[Rare White Ape]

One thing that seeing all those videos and articles has convinced me of is that an Alpine A110 seems like a fun car irl.

Yes. It is a legitimately fun piece of kit.

[MR2 Fan]

I was waiting for someone to post the Spyder front end photo. :lol: The two cars weigh about the same, and if you've spent any time around a Spyder you know how basic and small they are. What GMA has achieved with weight is mind blowing, but I guess exotic materials count for a chunk of that. :)

so are we going to see replica kits on the MR2 Spyder then? The only thing missing would be 500 horsepower :p

[Kchrpm]

I seem to remember that McLaren offered a Xenon upgrade quite a few years later, because they were so bad. I think that and the Downforce pack were quite popular.

*Googles*

https://carbuzz.com/news/25-years-on-mclaren-is-offering-loaner-engines-for-f1-owners

And they may have been sourced from BMW Z1 parts bin

https://www.mclarenlife.com/threads/f1-lighting-upgrade.546/page-2

[XHawkeye]

SupercarOwner's view of the new 3 seat supercars Speedtail, 004S, & T.50

https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

[Rare White Ape]

The Speedtail is as ugly as flattened batshit, the SCG 004 looks exciting if a bit brute-forced, and yep, the T.50 is still to my eyes the choice of the three.

Plus this guy is wrong about Racing Point - they have no involvement in this car aside from assistance with aerodynamic testing. If they were to compete with the Valkyrie, it would only be if they both competed in the WEC Hypercar class. While I would love to see it, it's a very, very, very long shot for GMA to put the resources into developing a racing program.

[Kchrpm]

He mentioned in the videos making a racing version, I thought, I just don't know what series. He explained in one of the videos (or the one podcast) that the racing versions of the McLaren F1 are what made the most money for the company.

[Crazed_Insanity]

SupercarOwner's view of the new 3 seat supercars Speedtail, 004S, & T.50

https://karenable.com/21st-century-3-seaters-mclaren-speedtail-scg-004-the-gma-t-50/

Hmm, I guess I'll have to reserve my judgment until after I've test driven all 3 cars... :D

For now, if T50 were really designed to steal driver's hearts, I have to admit I love T50 more just by looking at those 3 cars...

[Kchrpm]

Hmm, I guess I'll have to reserve my judgment until after I've test driven all 3 cars... :D

Speaking of which, after all the haggling that had to be done to get the three big hypercars to face off with each other, this combo could be even harder. They have such different goals: the cheapest of the three would likely be the fastest on most tracks.

Fingers crossed that they let Tiff have a go in the T.50, though. And get someone from the LeMans winning McLaren team to drive the Speedtail down the Mulsanne straight with the chicanes bypassed.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I’m sure when the cars are all out and ready, some car shows gonna test drive them all together...

Still, unless I get to test drive them myself, I’ll reserve my judgement. :p

Actually, I’ll trust Cuda’s judgment after he drove them all.

[Kchrpm]

I’m sure when the cars are all out and ready, some car shows gonna test drive them all together...

Based on all the hubbub around getting the P1, 918, and LaFerrari together, I don't think it's just as easy as getting one of each and renting a race track.

[Freude am Fahren]

Well, this may be different, at least for two of the cars...

Especially with Ferrari they can say if you do the direct comparison, you won't get access to the next car or whatever. That's something McLaren could pull, but not really SCG or GMA.

[Kchrpm]

I always just assumed it was more direct than that, that they had contracts/insurance/etc that outlets had to agree to, with legal ramifications and takedown orders if they were breached.

[Rare White Ape]

Nah my speculation says that it is just a case of manufacturers trying to dictate the media narrative.

See: video games media.

Especially true when multiple cars in the same window come out within a few months of each other, like the 918, the P1, and la La Ferrari, and nobody wants to be seen as worse than the rest.

If you don't play along you lose access to timely content.

[Crazed_Insanity]

My speculation is that some like Jay Leno will buy all 3 and then let us know how he likes them...

I wonder if it’s possible for manufacturers to force buyers to sign NDAs? If you badmouth our cars, we will never sell you our cars again?

[XHawkeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Z1lFK1b5o

[FaultyMario]

T.50s announced.

On instagram, which does not allow hotlinking.

[Rare White Ape]

Any pics around? Here’s an article with no pics.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33913698/gordon-murray-t50s-sketch-interview-specs/

[FaultyMario]

Nah, just that brochure like illustration with the shark fin.

[Rare White Ape]

Dario Franchitti is infectiously excited about the XP1 prototype being developed and run on a track.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh8raHx6SRc&ab_channel=GordonMurrayAutomotive

[Rare White Ape]

T50s Nikki Lauda unveiled.

https://www.football24.news/img/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/GMA-T50s-Niki-Lauda-Definitive-Circuit-Car-Unveiled-768x512.jpg

https://soymotor.com/sites/default/files/usuarios/redaccion/portal/redaccion/gma-t50s-lateral-4-soymotor.jpg

https://soymotor.com/sites/default/files/usuarios/redaccion/portal/redaccion/gma-t50s-frontal-soymotor.jpg

https://soymotor.com/sites/default/files/usuarios/redaccion/portal/redaccion/gma-t50s-detalle-soymotor.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6DAmm7sZg&ab_channel=GordonMurrayAutomotive

[Kchrpm]

Oh my.

[The359]

Those are definitely the thinnest wheels I have ever seen.

[XHawkeye]

Found a reason to cancel my order. ;)

Fuel tank only holds 13.2 gl [50L] which is .8 gl more then my FiST. I'd just get into a good rhythm and then have to come in for more fuel. At least fuel burn shouldn't change the handling balance much.

[Godson]

I'm *SO* hard over this car

[CudaMan]

Road tyres look out of place on it.

But wow.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I wish Niki Lauda has a better looking ass.

I’m sure this car is going to be awesome to drive, but I think I still prefer the looks or GM’s original F1.

[Phil_SS]

Hubba hubba! Woof!

Though I think the engineering is even sexier.

[Yw-slayer]

Found a reason to cancel my order. ;)

Fuel tank only holds 13.2 gl [50L] which is .8 gl more then my FiST. I'd just get into a good rhythm and then have to come in for more fuel. At least fuel burn shouldn't change the handling balance much.

But with a smaller tank in the T.50, would you save even more money by only filling it up a little at a time?

[Kchrpm]

Google says it's 80 liters (21.1 gallons), not 50.

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/2020/8/gordon-murrays-v12-t.50-supercar-revealed/

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35331/gordon-murray-t-50-the-ultralight-v12-mclaren-f1-sequel-with-a-manual-gearbox-and-a-giant-rear-fan

[XHawkeye]

I didn't cancel my T50 order :rawk: (it's gas tank is large enough) only canceled the T50s order for the reason previously stated.

[Kchrpm]

My bad! Yes, let's all cancel our T50s orders so that we may make our voices heard!

[Rare White Ape]

Shakedown!!!!!!


https://youtu.be/MWqjZaH4H5g

[Crazed_Insanity]

Please rev the engine to higher rpm please! I want to hear it sing!!!

[Phil_SS]

I thought I read that they only revved it to 3000 RPM because they are still breaking it in. Which makes sense.

[Kchrpm]

Yeah, it wasn't just because they wanted to tease people in the video, it was because you take it easy at a first test.

[Rare White Ape]

Full revs in the test mule. I literally dribbled little cummies out of my ears.


https://youtu.be/P3DVUYTeOyQ

[MR2 Fan]

:eek:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sweet! Modern F-1 cars don't sound as good!

BTW, I wonder when was that filmed? They're not worried about COVID at all, huh?

[Kchrpm]

They have likely all been vaccinated.

[FaultyMario]

Plus, Dario is indestructible.

[MR2 Fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOq-flI0Hx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPAaoGoflQw

[MR2 Fan]

Now for the more "affordable option" from Gordon Murray Automotive, the T.33...ONLY costing $1.8 million:

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38912875/gordon-murray-automotive-t33/?utm_campaign=socialflowR%26T&utm_medium=social-media&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3ZUs0cAflqfh22b3A1nYflhnckOEyL2wLZRMAP7 1EWsJIivaViBlwI3sM

[Rare White Ape]

What madness. It’s gorgeous.

[TheBenior]

I rarely get excited about supercars that I may never see, let alone own, but...

3867

[XHawkeye]

Would rather have a T.33 then a T.50

[Godson]

I like it. I wonder what the 8 sounds like?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Would rather have a T.33 then a T.50

Starting a me too movement!

T.33 deserves a thread of its own!!!

[MR2 Fan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmR2mWBi3co

[Phil_SS]

Spine tingling and tear generating. It's just so beautiful.

[MR2 Fan]

I was curious, so I looked up the top speed of the T.50 and it's 226mph, not bad....also realizing that the 241mph attempt of the F1 had I believe some gearing changes to allow it to go that fast.

[George]

T.50? :?

I'd prefer a Pontiac T-37. :D

https://assets.rebelmouse.io/media-library/image.jpg?id=31598086&width=1200&height=800&quality=90&coordinates=14%2C0%2C15%2C0

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don’t like the name T50 and I don’t like its butt. Otherwise, I think it’s definitely an improvement over the McLaren F1.

[samoht]

Henry Catchpole is my favourite car journo, so I was delighted to see the T.50 review included him and the F1 also!


I was curious, so I looked up the top speed of the T.50 and it's 226mph, not bad....also realizing that the 241mph attempt of the F1 had I believe some gearing changes to allow it to go that fast.

I don't think it was a gearing change per se, ISTR they did a run, hit the rev limiter, and then raised the limiter by 300rpm or so (from 7,500 to 7,800 perhaps) to hit the 241 max.

[MR2 Fan]

I don't think it was a gearing change per se, ISTR they did a run, hit the rev limiter, and then raised the limiter by 300rpm or so (from 7,500 to 7,800 perhaps) to hit the 241 max.

Ah ok, it's been ages since I watched the top speed run.

One thing I love on the T.50 is the new engine...sounds amazing and revs to nearly 13,000 RPM's...so nice

[Tom Servo]

Man alive, just watched that finally and the noise from that T.50 is spectacular. So is the F1's, but that banshee-like wail is something else.

[CudaMan]

I think I actually prefer the F1's bassier tones.

Not that I'd kick either car out of bed. :)

Interesting to hear from Mr. Catchpole that the T50 road car (not the s) is so loud on the road - not as much the livable hypercar as the F1 in that sense.

[speedpimp]

I don’t like the name T50 and I don’t like its butt. Otherwise, I think it’s definitely an improvement over the McLaren F1.

But you can always give it a nickname and no butt(like that butt) aroused you as much as that butt.