GTXF F1 Fantasy 2020

[FaultyMario]

Usual team cost: 40 (no more, duplicate teams not allowed)

First come first serve.
[Driver prices have been updated1]


Cost Driver Constructor Driver full name
---- ------ ----------- ----------------
28.5 HAM Mercedes Lewis Hamilton
27 BOT Mercedes Valtteri Bottas
17 VET Ferrari Sebastian Vettel
18 LEC Ferrari Charles Leclerc
17.5 VER Red Bull Max Verstappen
14.5 ALB Red Bull Alexander Albon
7.5 SAI McLaren Carlos Sainz Jr.
6 NOR McLaren Lando Norris
5.5 RIC Renault Daniel Ricciardo
4.5 OCO Renault Esteban Ocon
6.5 KVY Alpha Tauri Daniil Kvyat
6 GAS Alpha Tauri Pierre Gasly
8.5 PER Racing Point Sergio Pérez
7.5 STR Racing Point Lance Stroll
4 RAI Alfa Romeo Kimi Räikkönen
3.5 GIO Alfa Romeo Antonio Giovinazzi
2 GRO Haas F1 Team Romain Grosjean
1.5 MAG Haas F1 Team Kevin Magnussen
4.5 RUS Williams George Russell
4 LAT Williams Nicholas Latifi

Submit picks via PMs, deadline is the start of AusGP FP3.


These are the non-duplicate lineups by:


Blerpa
NOR | HAM | RIC |
JoeW
GRO | NOR | ALB | VER |
FaultyMario
VET | PER | ALB |
Balki
LEC | VER | OCO |
RWA
LEC | SAI | ALB |
Alan P
PER | STR | VER | KVY |
Cudaman
PER | NOR | VER | OCO | GIO |
Yobbo
PER | SAI | VER | KVY |
Billi
VET | MAG | VER | RAI |
Godson
LEC | MAG | SAI | RIC | GIO | RAI |
G'day Mate
VET | PER | MAG | SAI | RIC |
Dodint
SAI | HAM | RAI |
Kchrpm
GRO | HAM | RIC | RAI |
2ndMoparMan
PER | NOR | SAI | VER |
Ashie
STR | MAG | BOT | RAI |






1 To avoid a HAM/BOT runaway team, basically.

[dodint]

Am I being detained?

[FaultyMario]

Are you running away again, son?

[Blerpa]

Choices sent!

[dodint]

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[FaultyMario]

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That was my thought before I checked my PMs. I guess Ang's just :hard:

So I would like for everyone to chill, I won't be open for business until prices are figured out.

[Blerpa]

Mario, I did send you a second PM, check it out ;)

[Godson]

Wait. No choices until fp3....


Ok

[FaultyMario]

I won't be open for business until prices are figured out.

School got in the way. Shop's still closed.

[JoeW]

So after you post driver values when is the earliest we can post selections?

[FaultyMario]

Yes. Except if you're blerps. That guy's committed.

Seriously, it's too early. I want to read some expert opinions after the tests are done. based purely on last year's results, Russell and Grosjean would have the same price, which has obviously not been the case since testing.

[Blerpa]

LOL my bad, I'm sorry :lol:

[FaultyMario]

I just think that last year Mercedes drivers were massively undervalued. Lewis made north of 400 points, FFS!

[Crazed_Insanity]

That's all because he and Mercedes were just really really good... and Ferrari dropped the ball and Honda and McLaren's not quite there yet!

I have a suggestion... besides picking drivers, can we also pick manufacturers as well?

For example, make it impossible for any of the fantasy teams to be able to afford both Lewis and Mercedes at the same time... If you want a factory mercedes car, then you'll probably only have enough budget left over for Grojean. If you picked Lewis, then your team will likely only be able to afford to drive a williams.

Of course our fantasy championship points will be a combination of the drivers and manufacturer points.

[JoeW]

Good lord...can we complicate it some more please?

[FaultyMario]

That's all because he and Mercedes were just really really good... and Ferrari dropped the ball and Honda and McLaren's not quite there yet!

I have a suggestion... besides picking drivers, can we also pick manufacturers as well?

For example, make it impossible for any of the fantasy teams to be able to afford both Lewis and Mercedes at the same time... If you want a factory mercedes car, then you'll probably only have enough budget left over for Grojean. If you picked Lewis, then your team will likely only be able to afford to drive a williams.

Of course our fantasy championship points will be a combination of the drivers and manufacturer points.

No.

[FaultyMario]

Heh.

I just wanted a "shut up billi!" response in there.

Long answer: no because ours is a microwaveable fantasy league. Throw it in there, press one button and forget about it.

If you want to mix and match stuff, there must be chat rooms over at Yahoo or Altavista. Or whatever kids these days are raving about.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Good lord...can we complicate it some more please?

Yes! Lord knows how complicated F1 racing can be! We absolutely need to match up to that same level of complexity!!! It’s not like I’m asking you all to design your own chassis or anything... geez! :p

[Rare White Ape]

If you want to mix and match stuff, there must be chat rooms over at Yahoo or Altavista. Or whatever kids these days are raving about.

I think Ask Jeeves was the latest cool one.

[Blerpa]

That's all because he and Mercedes were just really really good... and Ferrari dropped the ball and Honda and McLaren's not quite there yet!

I have a suggestion... besides picking drivers, can we also pick manufacturers as well?

For example, make it impossible for any of the fantasy teams to be able to afford both Lewis and Mercedes at the same time... If you want a factory mercedes car, then you'll probably only have enough budget left over for Grojean. If you picked Lewis, then your team will likely only be able to afford to drive a williams.

Of course our fantasy championship points will be a combination of the drivers and manufacturer points.

No.

[Crazed_Insanity]

2 nos are not enough to convince me!!! I need like at least 3 or something.... :p

[Rare White Ape]

no

[Crazed_Insanity]

Okay! Enough is enough!:angry:

[Godson]

Fuck no.

[balki]

I'm all about a microwaveable fantasy league.

Side league for those that want to tinker with their teams:
https://fantasy.formula1.com
Share the league code with your friends now: c5b8df85fc

[FaultyMario]

https://fantasy.formula1.com
Share the league code with your friends now: c5b8df85fc

Hey fellas, the "fantasee"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. Cool Kid.

[FaultyMario]

Choices sent!

Check the new prices. Your original choices go overbudget by a big margin.

[JoeW]

So we can pick now? You have Albon on two teams.

[FaultyMario]

So we can pick now? You have Albon on two teams.

Yes. Not anymore.

[JoeW]

Submitted

[FaultyMario]

My picks:


VET 17
ALB 14.5
PER 8.5


I don't expect it to be the most efficient of expenditures, but they're drivers I like and I hope they do well.

Meh! We're all going to get shafted by coronavirus* restrictions, anyway.

*Again, we're buying the driver, not the seat. If Raikkonen were to be called up by the mothership, the points go to him, not the guy he subbed for.

[JoeW]

Since we’re sharing...

Ver
Vet
Ric

Same reasons. I wanted both RBR guys but didn’t want to bet too highly on one team in case they really blow.

[balki]

18 LEC Ferrari Charles Leclerc
17.5 VER Red Bull Max Verstappen
4.5 OCO Renault Esteban Ocon

No Kimi pick; I'm in it to win it!

[Rare White Ape]

I’m rolling with:

Lec
Alb
Sai

First time I’ve done this in many years.

[CudaMan]

I had some trubl making my teams work math-wise, I kept ending up at 39.5M or 40.5M. Picks sent, we'll see if I can continue my lower mid-pack performance from last season!

[JoeW]

I’m pulling for Albon this year. Great kid and a great story.

[Blerpa]

Oh hell.
I'm changing all my team choices then.

Team will be:
Hamilton
Norris
Ricciardo

Obviously in 2 seasons time Hamilton will be 40 mil and we will be done with the league, by these regulations.

[Alan P]

What about each .5 below gives you a bonus point at the start of the season as I came out with 39.5 several times!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Vet 17
Max 17.5
Kimi 4
Mag 1.5

[FaultyMario]

So far we have non-duplicate teams by:


Blerpa
JoeW
FaultyMario
Balki
RWA
Alan P
Cudaman
Yobbo
Billi

[Blerpa]

Where's Nate?

[dodint]

Giving you people ample opportunity to not have a cry fest about me picking near the front.

Are we there yet? May I proceed?

[FaultyMario]

Alan P has been at the top of the bell for the last couple of years, I think.

[Blerpa]

Giving you people ample opportunity to not have a cry fest about me picking near the front.

Are we there yet? May I proceed?

I got second last year and didn't cry my heart out once about your choices, if I recall correctly.
But I may be wrong, dunno, I'm old and my mind slips more often than not.

[dodint]

I don't remember, honestly. Whoever proposed the reverse draft order idea should feel great shame.

I'll pick tonight and try to get Ashie to as well.

[Blerpa]

Reverse draft sucks as much as reverse grids in motorsport: it would be easier to say that no one can have both the two drivers of the three top teams of last season, for example.
Anyhow, choose and let's get it done... hopefully we will get to race and it won't get cancelled like MotoGP.

[Godson]

Lec, Sai, Ric, Rai, Gio, Mag

[dodint]

I was going to pick them!

[FaultyMario]

Good thing posts are timestamped!

[Alan P]

Alan P has been at the top of the bell for the last couple of years, I think.

I certainly am, but way more options this time around!

[Freude am Fahren]

I think i might have been first last year and finished last, so I'll wait...

[FaultyMario]

What about each .5 below gives you a bonus point at the start of the season as I came out with 39.5 several times!

This is what G'Day said:


also, for what it's worth, i used to let people have teams worth less than 40

What do you fellas say? We enforce an upper but not a lower limit?

[dodint]

I do a very similar league elsewhere, we use your values. But we have more rules actually written out, including:

"You may select as many drivers as your budget allows. There is no advantage gained from not spending your entire budget."

But, it's run by lawyers so that is to be expected. ;)

[JoeW]

It's a fantasy league where we invest nothing. I think everyone should be ok with it ;)

[Rare White Ape]

Yeah I’m fine with that.

I used to run a MotoGP league based off G’day’s concept, nice and simple. I clearly stated you could spend as much as you want up to the limit. But dickheads were only buying two riders, with heaps of money left over :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

I didn't think HAVING to spend exactly 40 was a thing. Should be able to spend like 15 if you want.

[FaultyMario]

I just copied and pasted last year's first post. No rules changes were made. I only adjusted the drivers' prices.

I'll make amends to this year's since no one's come forward with an objection.

[Rare White Ape]

My only objection is I wish it was in place from the get-go, because I calculated up a fairly strong dream meme team with Kimi and Lando and Kevin and George plus others (I forget exactly) and ended up at 39.5!

[Blerpa]

I didn't think HAVING to spend exactly 40 was a thing. Should be able to spend like 15 if you want.

I never thought it was: I mean, I always thought it was meant as spend up to a maximum of 40 millions, but without a minimum limit.

[IMOA]

I also think it should be a maximum of 40 but that if you want to spend 28 then sure, thats fine. I thought that has always been the rule (I've certainly had teams previously that were under 40)

I'll make my picks sometime this week

[JoeW]

Made some changes to my lineup...

I messaged Faulty to make sure they are legal.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I’m having 2nd thoughts of betting against Lewis and the Mercedes again...

However I bet if I bet on Lewis, I’ll jinx him and I’ll see Ferrari and Honda or Renault returning to form...

[FaultyMario]

Keith's picks added.

Joe's changes were within the rules. Why he chose both Haas and Williams and then capped it is beyond me.

[FaultyMario]

Was the site down over the weekend or is my home connection fucked?

[JoeW]

I didn't choose Williams ;)

New choices are:

Verstappen
Albon
Norris
Grosjean

[FaultyMario]

I didn't choose Williams ;)

I was fucking with you.

[JoeW]

Hence my smiley face ;)

[Rare White Ape]

Was the site down over the weekend or is my home connection fucked?

Yeah, it was down overnight, I think it was between Friday and Saturday (my time zone).

[2ndMoparMan]

Verstappen, Sainz, Perez, and Norris.

[Yobbo NZ]

Verstappen, Sainz, Perez, and Norris.

You made me go back and check my picks, very close to mine. I have Kyvat instead of Norris.

[Alan P]

Also doing a team suck? because with the low prices that could end up being a nine driver strong team.

MAG 1.5
GRO 2
GIO 3.5
RAI 4
LAT 4
RUS 4.5
OCO 4.5
RIC 5.5
NOR 6

$35.5M

[Ashie]

My picks are in.

[FaultyMario]

2MM & Ashie added.

As for team suck, I thought the spreadsheet was macro'd to create it automatically. Let me ask Keith/Al/David how that works.

Good luck to you all.

[FaultyMario]

Except those who picked McL drivers, you guys are fucked already.

[dodint]

Yeah. I went back and looked and both teams have Sainz on it. :lol:

This is a good time to talk about this, actually. F1 had said that if a team can't make the grid because of COVID-19 that the race would be run as an exhibition. No points scored. If that happens we're all in the same boat, notching zeroes for several rounds.

[FaultyMario]

One more thing, I'm having trouble accessing a bunch of URLs from home, including the GTXF. It was supposed to have been fixed 72 hours ago, but it hasn't because ISPs. So please be patient. Think of this league as a TBS game instead of RTS.

[dodint]

From another forum:

"No, it would be unofficial/exhibition if a team cant race due to regulations not allowing them to be present. If it's voluntary (like Mclaren now), Mclaren would be out of luck. This is at least per FIA's most recent clarification a week ago, so that's a major caveat emptor given how quickly shit has changed in just the last 3 days"

From a liability standpoint the FIA shouldn't be encouraging teams to 'tough through it' as it promotes the spread of the illness. We'll see.

[Freude am Fahren]

But I think our Fantasy league shouldn't count races where teams don't race due to the Virus. If they miss a race after all this because they fucked up, too bad, but I think we should make exceptions.

And that's from someone who hasn't picked a team yet, and was going to probably look at the McLaren drivers. I could say the other way and just avoid them if I wanted to.

[JoeW]

I say let it count if the FIA counts it. And I have Norris :)

[dodint]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Keep it real and simple, if they score points at the track it counts in the league.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I’m just not going to chime in this time because if I do, I’m sure a coalition would form opposing me! :D

So yeah, do whatever Mario, I don’t care. I’m going to win either way! :p

[Rare White Ape]

No

[2ndMoparMan]

Well, looks like we'll be waiting a bit.

[IMOA]

So does this mean I can wait a bit before pulling my finger out and picking a team?

[FaultyMario]

So does this mean I can wait a bit before pulling my finger out and picking a team?

Indeed.

[FaultyMario]

24ish hours before FP3.

Get ready fellas. This will be one intense season.


I do admit I'm a little rusty on the Google sheets thing so I might be asking the pros® for some advice in the near future.

[G'day Mate]

You couldn't possibly make more mistakes than I used to with my old sheet :lol:

[Blerpa]

I did send you a PM, Mario!

[JoeW]

I’m not changing my picks but it looks like my team may suck quite a bit more than I hoped.

[Kchrpm]

I do admit I'm a little rusty on the Google sheets thing so I might be asking the pros® for some advice in the near future.

Let me know what you need.

[FaultyMario]

Thanks, Keith!

[Freude am Fahren]

Damn, totally forgot to pick a team this year!

[Crazed_Insanity]

I totally forgotten who I picked this year...

Okay found my picks...


Vet 17
Max 17.5
Kimi 4
Mag 1.5

Wow! I scored 0 points!

[G'day Mate]

Not sure who I picked either - someone reached out to me via FB messenger and I can't remember who and so the conversation is buried somewhere :lol:

It would have been Daniel first, then a bunch of others.

[G'day Mate]

Aha! It was Mario! All I had to do was remember that it would have been around March

Ok so let's see I've got Ricciardo, Vettel, Sainz, Perez, Magnussen ... d'oh.

[Rare White Ape]

I've got Leclerc, Albon and Sainz.

Pretty good showing!

[FaultyMario]

1 2ndMoparMan 34
2 Cudaman 30
2 Godson 30
4 Blerpa 28
4 RWA 28
6 Ashie 25
7 Balki 22
7 Dodint 22
9 G'day Mate 19
10 Yobbo 18
11 JoeW 16
12 Kchrpm 12
13 FaultyMario 9
14 Alan P 8
15 Billi 1
16 Team Suck 0


Crazy race, overall low scores.

________________

Which drivers am I supposed to add to Team Suck's lineup?

[Kchrpm]

I would probably start at the lowest value drivers and work my way up, putting in each one until you hit 40. I'm not sure what it used to be, though.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh, Vettel scored a point! Whew! I thought I'll end up with 0 points! :p

It's rare to see Cuda so high up in this fantasy world... :D

[FaultyMario]

I would probably start at the lowest value drivers and work my way up, putting in each one until you hit 40. I'm not sure what it used to be, though.

But wasn't the caveat that they also weren't popular?

I think this year we all thought the Mclarens and Perez were AWESOME VALUE!

[Rare White Ape]

In Team Suck I would look at Lance Stroll, Pierre Gasly, the HAAS boys, and Max Verstappen.

[2ndMoparMan]

Holy shit I'm leading.

[FaultyMario]

Official results will be available once the complaint over RP's brakes is resolved.

[FaultyMario]

I'm sensing that I can do the spreadsheet tonight.

I'm still not sure whether if Force India's points haul from the Steiermark GP stands, but Grosjean has been demoted to 10th after 10 seconds were added to his time after today's race. So that should tell you why I've been holding out.

[FaultyMario]

Sorry, Kevin loses 9th and RoGro 15th. They both had 10 secs added to their time.

[FaultyMario]

I'm going to wait a few days. I really don't want to go back and redo the numbers, it's not just laziness, I don't want people to have a false idea of where they stand.


The Hungarian Grand Prix stewards have accepted Renault’s latest protest against Racing Point’s cars and noted it is “identical” to that submitted at the previous round.

Renault protested the legality of Racing Point’s brake ducts following the Styrian Grand Prix. An investigation into that matter is ongoing.

Racing Point has confirmed it used the same ducts this weekend as at the previous race. The stewards therefore decided it is not necessary to impound examples of its ducts again, as it did in Austria.

Hopefully it's all resolved before the next round at Silverstone.

Fuck the FIA.

[Kchrpm]

Are you using your own spreadsheet, or the one I made that Balki used?

[FaultyMario]

It's the one that came with the office (I think it goes far back to 2012).

[Kchrpm]

Ok, that's probably the one I made when I took it over from G'Day and his Java-based tool (that I never saw). Looks like I first tried it in 2014 as a backup to his.

I keep meaning to see if I can make it better...

[2ndMoparMan]

any update?

[FaultyMario]

While the FIA originally hoped to rule on Renault’s protest before tomorrow’s race, they are now expected to issue a verdict in the middle of next week.

Andrew Green believes Racing Point have a “very strong” case.

##

[FaultyMario]

From their press release.


We confirm that Renault DP World F1 Team has submitted a request to the stewards of the event for clarification on the legality of the Racing Point RP20.
We have no further comment on this matter until the stewards have arrived at a decision.

[Rare White Ape]

What if you put a little asterisk next to the people who have RP drivers and put up the standings anyway?

We thirsty for results!

[FaultyMario]

Ok. I'll do that. Sergio Perez was the most popular pick, though.

[Rare White Ape]

Thank you :)

[FaultyMario]

Standings after round 4, British GP

Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 144
2 2ndMoparMan* 125
3 Cudaman* 124
4 JoeW 114
5 Kchrpm 108
6 Dodint 103
7 Balki 97
8 Alan P* 95
9 Yobbo* 90
10 Ashie* 79
11 RWA 74
12 Godson 71
13 G'day Mate* 68
14 Billi 63
15 FaultyMario* 58
16 Team Suck 0

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, I’m kicking Mario’s ass!

[Blerpa]

Yeah baby!

[FaultyMario]

After the verdict, there'll be no changes to the drivers' points scoring.


What if you put a little asterisk next to the people who have RP drivers and put up the standings anyway?

I see no reason for keeping the asterisks, they will be gone from the next update onwards.


Fuck the FIA.

Certainly.

[FaultyMario]

I'm going to wait that there's no complaint filed against the RB tire pressures and then I'll post the results.

[JoeW]

Hamilton walked back his tire pressure comment in the post race interview. It was pretty funny actually.

He said he meant that when the tires heat up that the pressure increases and wondered what temperature the RBR tires were getting.

Which is not what he was implying on the radio.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I missed all that... are there regulations for tire pressures? I can’t believe they can protest other teams’ tire pressures...

[JoeW]

Pirelli mandates a particular tire pressure.

[FaultyMario]

Standings after round 5, 70th Anniversary GP

Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 165 (+21)
2 Cudaman 155 (+31)
3 2ndMoparMan 152 (+27)
4 JoeW 151 (+27)
5 Balki 138 (+41)
6 Alan P 129 (+34)
7 Kchrpm 127 (+19)
8 Dodint 122 (+19)
9 Yobbo 116 (+26)
10 Ashie 102 (+23)
11 RWA 96 (+22)
12 Billi 88 (+25)
13 Godson 83 (+12)
14 FaultyMario 68 (+10)
14 G'day Mate 68 (No gain)
16 Team Suck 59

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh yeah, slicing and dicing thru the field and passed 2 more racers...

If Vettel could get back to his old self, I think I have this championship in the bag!!! :D


Pirelli mandates a particular tire pressure.

I thought manufacturer simply mandates a range of safe pressures, anyone crazy enough to race outside of the specified range does it at his own risk? Can cars be disqualified post race for running at ‘illegal’ pressures in their tires?

Anyway, although Mercedes denied this, I do wonder if their DAS steering is causing extra blisters on their tires...

[CudaMan]

It's a minimum tire pressure mandated by Pirelli.


I'm only in the top half of the fantasy points because it's 2020. :lol: #bizzaroworld

[Kchrpm]

Anyway, although Mercedes denied this, I do wonder if their DAS steering is causing extra blisters on their tires...

If it were just that, couldn't they just not use it?

[JoeW]

Actually the rules state that if you have a cool new toy then you must use it.

[Rare White Ape]

If it were just that, couldn't they just not use it?

Nah too logical.

[2ndMoparMan]

It's a minimum tire pressure mandated by Pirelli.


I'm only in the top half of the fantasy points because it's 2020. :lol: #bizzaroworld

You and me both, Cuda.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Video of Hamilton's 1st British GP pole lap doesn't even look like he used DAS at all?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk5YnZFyINo

Can't find anymore footage of onboard views on youtube.

Whatever the reason, at least Mercedes learned their lessons and did not blow their tires again.

Max has certainly outdone himself last weekend. Thinking outside the box and ignoring engineer's warning to slow down in pursue of that win...

[Freude am Fahren]

And I don't think they use it during the race outside of warm up and safety car.

[CudaMan]

DAS shouldn't be causing tire issues anyway. It's actually able to help front tires scrub less at the driver's command. And Mercedes was having rear tire issues last weekend, which DAS wouldn't have anything to do with one way or another.

My best guess is that the Mercedes has so much downforce (more than any other car) it's working the tires harder. We did see a McLaren lose a front tire at the first Silverstone race, and we did see other cars blister their tires last weekend. Mercedes probably could have gone a lot faster without tire trouble, and the fact they were nursing them that much and still had issues is worrying for them when track temp is high.

Lewis is a master at tire management nowadays but this time, Bono, the tires really are gone. :lol:

DAS got all the headlines but I think the most important innovation of the 2020 Mercedes is the rear suspension and the freedom that allowed to add more rear downforce. If you watch a Mercedes qualifying lap, particularly at Silverstone, the back end of that car is planted like no other in the high speed corners (while it's carrying more speed than the others to boot).

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, since both Mercedes had front tire trouble, it's easy to assume DAS might be the reason, but I forgot McLaren also had front tire trouble in that 1st race...

However, regarding tire blisters, I thought they're usually caused by excessive lateral friction along the road surface direction... and shouldn't more down force alleviate that? Of course the extra down force pushing down on the tire side walls may cause excessive heat on the tires and that's why they increased tire pressures on the 2nd race?

Anyway, this is something even Mercedes is trying to figure out..., hope they'll never figure out so that this season can be more interesting... ;)

[Godson]

I'm right where I thought I'd be.


Also, Mercedes has always had issues with chewing up tires from way back when Schumacher was running with them. They'd set fast laps, then call flat after the halfway point due to tire troubles.

What's the fucking deal with Haas?

[FaultyMario]

They have issues with their tires as well. Except thër fookin slaw.

[dodint]

I'm dead last in my other league. I knew I wanted to sit the year out. :lol:

[FaultyMario]

Standings after round 6, Gran Premio de España 2020

Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 191 (+26)
2 2ndMoparMan 189 (+34)
3 Cudaman 184 (+32)
4 JoeW 174 (+23)
5 Alan P 169 (+31)
6 Balki 156 (+27)
7 Dodint 155 (+28)
8 Yobbo 152 (+30)
8 Kchrpm 152 (+25)
10 Ashie 130 (+28)
11 Billi 112 (+24)
12 RWA 108 (+12)
13 G'day Mate 92 (+24)
14 Godson 91 (+8)
15 FaultyMario 88 (+20)
16 Team Suck 73 (+24)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, slicing thru slower traffic from near the back of the field... Top 10, here I come! ;)

[2ndMoparMan]

tight at the top.

[FaultyMario]

Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 235
2 Cudaman 216
3 2ndMoparMan 211
4 JoeW 203
5 Kchrpm 190
6 Alan P 187
7 Balki 181
8 Dodint 180
9 Yobbo 168
10 Ashie 150
11 Billi 127
12 RWA 116
13 G'day Mate 106
14 Godson 104
15 FaultyMario 97
16 Team Suck 89

[FaultyMario]

Nicely done, Krunchie!

[Kchrpm]

Yay me for jumping 3 positions!

[JoeW]

Next year I’m picking Hamilton. This is ridiculous.

[Blerpa]

Nah, it is not ridiculous: it's F1.
It ain't Indycar nor Nascar.

[JoeW]

Truth.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Next year I’m picking Hamilton. This is ridiculous.

Next year, max will win the championship! :p

[Rare White Ape]

And so my inevitable slide to into the bottom continues!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Cracking into the top 10 might me difficulty..., but at least we’re doing better than Ferrari this week! :D

[Ashie]

Still beating Godson so I consider that a win. :lol:

[FaultyMario]

Team Suck brings the pain after Monza!


Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 262
2 2ndMoparMan 242
3 Cudaman 233
4 JoeW 215
5 Alan P 205
5 Dodint 205
5 Kchrpm 205
8 Yobbo 189
9 Balki 185
10 Ashie 175
11 Team Suck 136
12 RWA 134
13 G'day Mate 133
14 Godson 130
15 Billi 127
16 FaultyMario 98

[Crazed_Insanity]

Out of the 4 drivesr who failed to finish, 3 of them were mine! :(

At least I’m still ahead of Mario! :p

[Godson]

Ashie.


Shut up. :lol:

[Rare White Ape]

At least I got a podium this time.

My other two drivers are failing pretty badly this year.

[2ndMoparMan]

20 points back off Blerpz. Striking range.

[Ashie]

Ashie.


Shut up. :lol:

I gotta beat someone. ;)

[FaultyMario]

At least I’m still ahead of Mario! :p

I don't have enough to hire a Mafioso del Brenta, but seriously, someone needs to make Mattia think hard about his incompetence and my ruined season.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think Ferrari has finally wised up about their blame culture and tried to imitate Mercedes' no-blame culture and attempting to create a more stable culture.

Might be too little too late...

Maybe FIA needs to give back to Ferrari what they took away during winter? Do we know exactly what happened? What the heck did Ferrari 'cheat' with to allow them to gain so much power and aero advantage? When taken away, they end up being slower than Alfas!?!?!?!?!?

[FaultyMario]

The cheat was in taking advantage of the refresh rate in the fuel flow sensors. Ferrari's injection hardware was faster than the FIA sensors, so they stayed within the allowed limits when the sensor pulsed and throttled it up when it was silent. FIA corrected by having more sensors pulsing at different frequencies.

They must have been negligible amounts of fuel, but, that's where the fractions of a second are gained (or lost).

As for this year's woes, they are no entirely related to the power unit, as evidenced by Kimi's performance in the last two, power-limited races.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, it seems the ghost that haunted McLaren for years has left and decided to move in with Ferrari.

[FaultyMario]

F*ck McLaren and F*ck Binotto. My team's at the friggin' binottom!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to stand on your shoulders... now, push me up higher!!!

[CudaMan]

The cheat was in taking advantage of the refresh rate in the fuel flow sensors. Ferrari's injection hardware was faster than the FIA sensors, so they stayed within the allowed limits when the sensor pulsed and throttled it up when it was silent. FIA corrected by having more sensors pulsing at different frequencies.

They must have been negligible amounts of fuel, but, that's where the fractions of a second are gained (or lost).

As for this year's woes, they are no entirely related to the power unit, as evidenced by Kimi's performance in the last two, power-limited races.

I would have figured this fuel flow sensor polling cheat was worth something, but not knowing the polling rate of the FIA sensor it's hard to judge how much. For a few races last year Ferrari had a huge straight line performance advantage over everybody else, even Mercedes. I sure am curious if there was something else going on, too, but we may not know until someone writes a book years from now.

My theory has been that Ferrari designed its 2020 car around the power unit performance level they had at their peak in 2019, and created a 2020 car that had a lot of downforce but was also draggy. Then the undisclosed pullback on their PU performance caught them with their pants down with a more or less finalized 2020 car and covid shutdown. All Ferrari-powered teams are performing pretty poorly this year, too, and Haas is no longer complaining that they don't understand their car or tire deg.

[FaultyMario]

Your theory makes total sense.

I'm gun call it PantsDown.

[Rare White Ape]

PantsDownGate

[Crazed_Insanity]

So Haas had issues with tire degradation because they weren't expecting that much HP?!?!? :D

Anyway, yeah, it certainly made no sense for the 2020 Ferraris being this slow...PantsDownGate makes perfect sense!

[Godson]

Haas has become a joke


:(

[Rare White Ape]

Ahh mate they're not that bad. At least they've got a point. Williams hasn't.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, Haas has Ferrari engine and managed a point. Williams has Mercedes engine and got nothing!

Will these 2 teams be able to MAGA? Actual, was there ever a great American F1 team?

[Rare White Ape]

Eagle, Penske and Shadow have all won races.

The Eagle Weslake V12 being one of the most famous winners in history in the 1967 Belgian Grand Prix.

[dodint]

Haas is a joke if only for the continued employment of Grosjean.

[CudaMan]

From the outside in I don't get the impression Steiner is the best man for the job, but Netflix and their viewers do love him. :lol:

[Yobbo NZ]

I reckon they need a driver to develop the car. It seems Magnussen isn't really interested and Grosjean is there to make up numbers.
Maybe they need one of the Ferrari academy drivers in there, to at least provide some youthful exuberance.

[Godson]

That won't happen, because Haas said they weren't interested in being a feeder team for Ferrari.

Honestly, RoGro needs to go, and hulkenberg needs a shot.

[Rare White Ape]

Imagine putting Raikkonen in the car.

Match made in heaven.

[FaultyMario]

Imagine putting Raikkonen in the car.

Match made in heaven.

Yes, Kimi certainly has commercial interests in America. He could develop his own [hoonigan] brand if given the freedom.

[Godson]

As much as I would like that, I don't know if that would push them forward for results.

[FaultyMario]

Results and Haas don't really go together I'm afraid.

[JoeW]

What strange situation that would be. On the one hand you’re a fucking F1 driver! Fuck yeah!

On the other hand you drive in the worst car on the grid. You know it and everyone else knows it. And you know that when you sign on the line that is dotted...you are giving yourself a season of stress and disappointment.

What a weird feeling.

[Rare White Ape]

I'm confused are we talking about Haas or Ferrari here?










;)

[FaultyMario]

Standings after round 9, Tuscany Demolition Derby 2020

Pos Owner Points
1 Blerpa 308
2 2ndMoparMan 260
3 Cudaman 251
4 Kchrpm 245
5 JoeW 238
6 Dodint 233
7 Alan P 221
8 Yobbo 205
9 Ashie 195
10 Balki 189
11 G'day Mate 156
12 RWA 153
13 Godson 148
14 Team Suck 135
15 Billi 130
16 FaultyMario 124

[FaultyMario]

I made a mistake last time around, I gave Gasly 28 points for his wins, which although a case could be made for those extra two points out of the sheer of emotion, it's not in the regs.

Numbers have been updated.

[2ndMoparMan]

Not a good day for me.

[Blerpa]

I keep trucking...

[Alan P]

I would have figured this fuel flow sensor polling cheat was worth something, but not knowing the polling rate of the FIA sensor it's hard to judge how much. For a few races last year Ferrari had a huge straight line performance advantage over everybody else, even Mercedes. I sure am curious if there was something else going on, too, but we may not know until someone writes a book years from now.

My theory has been that Ferrari designed its 2020 car around the power unit performance level they had at their peak in 2019, and created a 2020 car that had a lot of downforce but was also draggy. Then the undisclosed pullback on their PU performance caught them with their pants down with a more or less finalized 2020 car and covid shutdown. All Ferrari-powered teams are performing pretty poorly this year, too, and Haas is no longer complaining that they don't understand their car or tire deg.

So if the fuel flow sensor measures at, say 20Hz, A V6 F1 engine revs up to around 12,000 RPM. it will rev higher but gains above that are negligible so they don't bother. The Engine completes a full rotation 200 times a second at 12k RPM. Lets call it 8k, the working range. 133.33 revolutions per second. it's a four stroke V6, 133.33 x 6 = 800 cycles across the whole engine, per second. That gives 40 revolutions per second where they can increase the fuel flow. I think. It's certainly not to be sniffed at with the revs they pull. At least I think my maths are right, they're probably not, but the theory is sound. They could have been running at a much higher fuel flow for 30-60% of the time.

[Crazed_Insanity]

F1 doesn’t have fuel limit? Or people finally got suspicious when Ferrari always ended up using way more fuel than other teams?

[FaultyMario]

Why do you think their engineers are always reminding drivers to lift and coast, and to "push to drink".

[CudaMan]

I found this older article today that explains more about the fuel flow sensors. Pretty impressive!

https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/16/how-the-fias-new-encrypted-fuel-flow-meter-targets-ferraris-suspected-aliasing-trick/


"The fuel flow meter measures the rate of flow very quickly – 2,200 times per second. However it remained theoretically possible for teams to deliver fuel to the meter in a sufficiently precise way that it appeared to be flowing at a slower rate that it was.

One technician consulted by RaceFans estimated the potential power gained from aliasing could be as much as 50bhp."

[Kchrpm]

I am tempted to rebuild the tool used to track this in Google Tables, but it would likely end up more complicated than necessary and the limit on rows of data is low...

Edit: that's maximum rows, not total rows, might be ok...

[FaultyMario]

Standings after round 10, Russian GP 2020




Pos
Owner
Total Points
Gap to next
This round
Previous score


1
Blerpa (-)
333
Leader
25
308


2
2ndMoparMan (-)
290
43
30
260


3
Cudaman (-)
287
3
36
251


4
Kchrpm (-)
270
17
25
245


5
JoeW (-)
257
13
19
238


6
Alan P (+1)
255
2
34
205


7
Dodint (-1)
248
7
15
233


8
Yobbo (-)
239
9
34
205


9
Balki (+1)
221
18
32
189


9
Ashie (-)
221
0
26
195


11
G'day Mate (-)
178
43
22
156


12
Godson (+1)
166
12
18
148


13
RWA (-1)
162
4
9
153


14
Billi (+1)
148
14
18
130


15
Team Suck (-1)
143
5
8
135


16
FaultyMario (-)
137
6
13
124




Congratulations to the Russian Grand Prix Winner... Who da man?

[balki]

Nice, really like the new layout additional data.

[2ndMoparMan]

Go away, Cuda! Get off my butt!

[Kchrpm]

I agree @ the new table format!

Can you send me the link to the sheet you're using? I want to come and paste as much data as possible.

[FaultyMario]

I agree @ the new table format!

Can you send me the link to the sheet you're using? I want to come and paste as much data as possible.

It's the same one, I think you have access already. If not I'll ask you to PM your gmail addy.

The table here was done manually, though.

[Godson]

I moved up!!!

[Ashie]

I moved up!!!

I'm still beating you. :)

[Kchrpm]

https://datastudio.google.com/s/hKenIWd7A7U

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cdAC8gTs7yfFL6FOnIN8qRzMw2KPJQLa0dPOD20J_ViTqqMDn _e8notMy4aQ7o7wfkSf00xzIY-_RbZiqZw_RLVLvpeqp54_Cq2tebyEwAuwY2HTqn-G1AOhlZAurFawIFMxEPsTj9m9PpxDAYa2QcFg=w1205-h526-no?authuser=0

I think that all should work...

Edit: Replaced with more colorful image

[Blerpa]

Woah, Keith, nice graphics. Thanks.
I had a slow start, then raised up the game, a little drop around turn 6... and then regularly scoring.

[Rare White Ape]

I agree. It is very nice. Your work experience is finally paying off.

Now can you please do another graph that tracks our progress lap-by-lap?

[Kchrpm]

Now can you please do another graph that tracks our progress lap-by-lap?
Zoom in on the current one.

[Rare White Ape]

:?

Ctrl + scroll?

[Kchrpm]

Ctrl + Sarcasm

[Rare White Ape]

Ctrl+Stroll

[FaultyMario]

Noice!

Will look at your work in more detail as the week progresses.

[Kchrpm]

At first I was just going to do it barebones to see how dead simple it could be, but then you had to post the table with all of the info compared to last week, which I had no idea how to do in the database tool or the data visualization tool, so I cheated and am doing it in Sheets. It went from a "can I make this simpler" concept to "this is more complicated and provides little in the way of new useful functionality" end result. It might end up being easier to fill out teams next year if there are new drivers, but that's kind of it.

But this is why we experiment with new tools, to figure out their pros and cons!

[CudaMan]

Upgrade!

[Godson]

I'm still beating you. :)



I chose with my heart, not my head.

[dodint]

That explains the C4.

*POW*

[Godson]

That explains the C4.

*POW*

I still beat 8 cars in my class, and over 90 others in the event!

#WinningForLess

[Ashie]

I chose with my heart, not my head.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to get to sleep at night. :lol:

[dodint]

I still beat 8 cars in my class, and over 90 others in the event!

#WinningForLess

I beat you and only had to pay 5x as much. #Winning

[Kchrpm]

SO MANY EDITS! I didn't know/forgot HUL's points didn't go to the people for whom he was subbing, and I had multiple formatting/link issues, but hopefully this is now the final version of this.

https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/857810b6-caa8-43d5-b363-347cb36d9dff

Points Standings

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3csoFB1Ig7-k7_BYNDf3nZx1PaXw6uQgdzD1JtJRODeOjOEbUKnzCccCK8d73 sKZa5hfweVGQ2r2OlLoAUFA1quUYns6YCJHOc1Fr5MqnKPx8dr 6aO-BRvgqQhLIPol2Mmi9hnyQJ4ZX3EWAqZWl7Fc8w=w1205-h535-no?authuser=0

Blerpa's Breakdown Per Race (go to the link above, go to page 3, and search your own name to see your breakdown)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3f-aTGklat6ZHDsvTTontV2wox1vwVxb_d9LOZcAmyTw7zBnNVm07 5fUHFUSBG1Y_GzZ4XaFQH6Tra5yNxCYh7rQ391jSX0F37FR6CB 8odpG7v_P19i56CdL3X0cWlBCxiZX1MTUZIxGSDtdQYXcZGf5w =w1199-h887-no?authuser=0

[FaultyMario]

Cool!

But the link does nothing for me.

[2ndMoparMan]

Don't think I can catch Blerpz.

[Kchrpm]

Ashie pointed out that Hulkenburg was subbing for a different person this time than list time. Working on a solution.

Edit: Solution is in, made two different Hulks, one for each driver he was replacing.

[FaultyMario]

We agreed at the beginning of the year that we are picking drivers. If one our drivers is substituted, the points scored by his car do not go to that driver. That came about last year, when Albon was upgraded, and those who bought Gasly were suddenly feeling the pain of paying RB money and getting TR points.

Since nobody picked Hulkenberg at the beginning of the year his points are lost in the void.

[Kchrpm]

I did not know that. Back to fixing again!

[Kchrpm]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3cohFLTpE5oDDWLnqQLi3U-pfyslNaB1p4nG_6zx6Kh6Z9wq5CU73-eB5PoCevkYN1xXZgcsjuAWMvULBFT9rdOJf1Rhe6uZlhM1otbM xZS07bOv1zp8Som1u24hg5H_aKpuHR41L0D3eTQWqX-RlktCA=w1209-h562-no?authuser=0

[Blerpa]

Uhm, my second and third driver have to up their game, we are risking here!!!
Thanks Keith for the updated graphs, as always.

[JoeW]

Lando and Albon are fucking shit. Early on they were scoring...but not for a long while now.

[2ndMoparMan]

Think this season is yours Blerpz.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yep..., at least I'm beating Team Suck.

[Kchrpm]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eQE0vBwQPOrylvGhOlh39Z-VbDOVvhTNRL7jEA9Fup4rSZmlrvHRmsiPmJiAFe7xEIRq3ep9S RLQ3V7SBzeJTfeIjTYAqmnr9p_WCTApUFSQAs8lPD_QBU1J12g _HM6-lwe1TsohdkQZAJDwSCSjLEoA=w1212-h562-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3fXTsV-cxJAlzjAESBAgUOvGKk5Z97dO5OxBsSIZT_f6FfWtY1frdnv10 ve_09SNJEvDMZ4jtkQ1phIDoSzXJIA5i1L762LUwXDe7Y64-R8EysOvodUb94pfUm-XBhZKky6bA9Eik12W7Age_gZ9s6Qag=w1213-h931-no?authuser=0

https://datastudio.google.com/s/tT3D1Sv7MWQ

[2ndMoparMan]

Well damnit.

[Rare White Ape]

Wow, thanks for t3h gR4F1X again Keef. Looks splendid.

[Godson]

About time my driver's score some fucking points.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Scored only 2 points this round, glad team suck was not able to pass me! :p

Anyway, yeah, as bad as result is, at least Kchrpm still made me look nice! :D

[Kchrpm]

I'm glad to be learning some new tools, and the reporting piece actually allows for some neat functionality. There are some quirks and limitations I haven't figured a way around yet, but it's nice to find out about them on something like this.

[2ndMoparMan]

no update?

[Kchrpm]

Completely forgot

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3fkODsjbWUw9hv24SWc2iN4f0HIavkpY0H7en5P17Am4KJ0fTt _pO7CMYFRYk-FWKXEFBXc1tygw6sLvwt1jPjuXU3RiLhx-p2la0e3JiJDrxLcC-T06DS8-p5zBaT9nJ2xI6RjVE4PC-ZTo9k98Yba-A=w1214-h567-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3flgoXuY0JHSrXqG4czLleyK8ejeidFL3SI3OejbRhiSeN0lo6 9cRdF7YHEL-63-9JdmvFs-iGFO2PuGpFQ8yisBFkTEUUKxCRZt1BJ1OwZ7AZHZ8whdpEG6rr GrT0qlbhNI4UgWz1dOZnD-cD7tJafuQ=w1212-h911-no?authuser=0

[2ndMoparMan]

Blerpz has won this season. Don't think anyone's gonna catch up, but man it's close for second.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It’s close 2nd to last too! How did Mario pass team suck and now trying to DRS pass me?!?!

[Kchrpm]

Blerpz has won this season. Don't think anyone's gonna catch up, but man it's close for second.

And we have completely different teams, so anything could happen.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dS0n6lGNtlSIj-5Llkv4fREVEKFht-m8w5RjhYNwm7VTjvHkI8sRn01xx10msqL0eqXT-KlYEx1SckPTxWXmIjFuskxPNvb1LYNDPUXkfmwMR98uOD536ER R6p4iUyOU6zHc8tbVNeOWZwFoL0WCY4QQ=w1206-h908-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dbJD3REazzpmv5VVjdcNUTLhf4rqV6_19K3P1RTBiLBZnpYXz 5Lakj1p78WHVqdrnAGlPwy92KfajCwqdHuFWi8cW232QQkXJ6H VWhxSFHQxtvgfAIpihbJn0vEINo0ddB-_ki8qfDNIqanGmOo33NYA=w1206-h909-no?authuser=0

[Godson]

How bout dem apples, Ash?

[Ashie]

How bout dem apples, Ash?

We all know I'm better than you! :)

[Godson]

The points don't currently show that to be the case......

[Ashie]

The points don't currently show that to be the case......

Please....:lol:

[Kchrpm]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3c6O0JzmHsBT-Z2tvZ141I1uoZ-mWBOYlpn84kcnZ26urZCFEMgzQaf4iUaHbPq17z91yybhFh-QbrE21yCaMApbeW0JJsOXsbJa6M-RVGJEAVI-_MgIVQ-N_RSBpo7OOcelmpZz6tsmUSq1wUhlxu7dg=w1208-h557-no?authuser=0

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3dfEirqs4WEEquMRco-OSEKzvUyvlak_4Sxtm3VB3z4E81TzAPwNGgghsOGOg1MDi1guy-wOY4y6ixFYA21gWSri8_Ofgy4qCyqyMyanHfK2FcpLN2zXGHHf 7WexVf5TWVo5Bu3uaDMJc989vJSG5H7Jg=w1209-h907-no?authuser=0

[2ndMoparMan]

Get off my arse, Keith!

[Kchrpm]

Whatever, you opened up the gap!

[2ndMoparMan]

20 is too close.

[Godson]

Hmmmm. Can I pull a top 10?

[CudaMan]

Dangit Merc, couldn't you give Perez a few more laps on that engine?

[Crazed_Insanity]

So... who signed George in your fantasy team? I guess you're about to get a huge boost in points! :D

[FaultyMario]

Blerpa
NOR | HAM | RIC |
JoeW*
GRO | NOR | ALB | VER |
Dodint
SAI | HAM | RAI |
Kchrpm
GRO | HAM | RIC | RAI |




These teams should see their closest pursuers get closer or even see them go past. Keef is banking on Ricciardo, basically.

[Kchrpm]

So... who signed George in your fantasy team? I guess you're about to get a huge boost in points! :D

*checks*

Team Suck :D No one else drafted him.

[FaultyMario]

Cuda could grab second in the championship if Hamilton is not fit to race Abu Dhabi.

[Kchrpm]

It would be hard for him to get past 2ndMoparMan, they have a similar roster. If Ricciardo struggles then Blerpa could be vulnerable.

[Crazed_Insanity]

*checks*

Team Suck :D No one else drafted him.

That means team suck could possibly overtake Mario and myself... :|

[Yobbo NZ]

Hmmm I have a small chance to gain on 2nd place. That's if Max doesn't do something dumb.