F1 2022 Season - "Big Wheels"

[JoeW]

Ferrari looks nice. And different. Hopefully it does well.

[FaultyMario]

Masi sacked.

Role to be shared between Edoardo Freitas, formerly of WEC and Niels of Wittich, from DTM.

I don't know, was Wittich on board when Timo Scheider pushed the Mercedes of Wickens and Wehrlein?

[FaultyMario]

La Ferrari è bellissima

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLzVWIWXoAk-GOK.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Szafnauer, new team principal at Alpine.

IIRC, they operated under a different organizational structure last year.

From now on, Davide Brivio will oversee the whole motorsports operation and Bruno Famin will be in charge of engines at the Viry factory.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ferrari seems to have the biggest inlet ducts and also going with the super long nose like RB.

Maybe they're scooping in extra air for their side vents to do some fancy aero work? But then why are the AM inlets so small?

Wish we know why the designers do what they do... :p

[JoeW]

Can't wait for qualifying.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Fantasy F1 this season should be fun and unpredictable...

[Rare White Ape]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3o_ZjXMAMhCXM?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3zUPgXoAwsIso?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3hGjuXoAIq6NV?format=jpg&name=large

[JoeW]

Better than last year.

[FaultyMario]

Very similar to the Red Bull that was shaken down yesterday.

This one seems more evolved, though.

[Rare White Ape]

Got any photos or links to the Red Bull that was shaken down yesterday?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wow, Mercedes’ side pods seems way shorter, at least it looks to be the only car with side pods behind the mirrors? Consequently they need bigger inlets?

Interestingly all the big budget teams opt for the longer nose.

Based on all these 1st looks, I think I like Ferrari the best.

[JoeW]

Mercedes is talking a lot of smack right now so I hope they eat their own words.

[FaultyMario]

Mercedes is talking a lot of smack right now so I hope they eat their own words.

Dude, that thing looks the part.

[FaultyMario]

Got any photos or links to the Red Bull that was shaken down yesterday?


A video still.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL0wvlQXwA8tu9J.jpg

Plus, from today's run of the Merc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL4ZUjOWQAA85kL.jpg

Ig vid (https://www.instagram.com/tv/CaH5P4orZ22/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

[JoeW]

A paint job does not a champion make. If Ferraris side pods are the magical ingredient then everyone else will be in the weeds. And vice versa. So I am curious to see who has gotten closest to the lucky setup.

I just hope it’s not Mercedes. Because continuing into another generation of Mercedes domination is just what we need…

[FaultyMario]

50% of aero comes from the tunnels. 25% comes from the rear wing.

To make the tunnels work, the rear suspension is key; To make the rear wing work, the engine cover rules supreme.

Ferrari might have gotten it right, but that's one quarter of the way to go.

Like I've said before, there's no way Mercedes forget how to make a low floor and a flat suspension work well; last year's rule change gave a pretty good advantage to raked cars, Mercedes was forced to take this year's classes one semester ahead of time.

[JoeW]

F1 and fans are tired of a single team/driver winning everything. So let’s please have another team up top this year. Would love to see a Mercedes P3 this year.

[FaultyMario]

IT. HAS. ALWAYS. BEEN. LIKE. THAT.

[FaultyMario]

o0o

[JoeW]

I KNOW! BUT CAN IT PLEASE BE ANYONE OTHER THAN MERCEDES PLEASE? THEY HAVE DOMINATED SINCE THE HYBRID ERA BEGAN.

Anyone else….please…

[JoeW]

And for the record…last year was not exactly dominated by a single team.

[Crazed_Insanity]

F1 and fans are tired of a single team/driver winning everything. So let’s please have another team up top this year. Would love to see a Mercedes P3 this year.

Yeah, Brawn GP ran away from the field when they got it right out of the gate under new regulation...

They used a Mercedes engine back then... and they are now called Mercedes...

They may end up P3, but I can't imagine them being a distant P3.

Yeah, hope we'll have a tight championship battle as last season, but a with a more consistent application of rules.

[Crazed_Insanity]

50% of aero comes from the tunnels. 25% comes from the rear wing.

To make the tunnels work, the rear suspension is key; To make the rear wing work, the engine cover rules supreme.

Ferrari might have gotten it right, but that's one quarter of the way to go.

Like I've said before, there's no way Mercedes forget how to make a low floor and a flat suspension work well; last year's rule change gave a pretty good advantage to raked cars, Mercedes was forced to take this year's classes one semester ahead of time.

I'm guessing Ferraris' dented side pods will actually produce some additional downforce... at such top level, every half of a % probably would make or break you.

Ferrari and AM either got their sidepods really right... or really wrong.

Mercedes looks like they just want the tiniest sidepods possible.

I'm surprised to see nothing out of ordinary from Adrian Newey. He must be hiding something.

[dodint]

"Not happy with one illegitimate championship, the man loudly demands and string of them."

;)

[JoeW]

I loudly demand anyone other than Mercedes. They have dominated since 2013 and it was getting old after 5 years. Now it’s just ridiculously ancient.

I don’t care what team it is… just not Mercedes please.

[dodint]

As a BMW fanboy I'm with you. It's been soul-crushing, honestly.

Looking through the entries, I hate someone on every F1 team that has a shot of contending so I'm kind of boned. If I could be like Masi and write the script I guess I'd start with Zak Brown dying of a heart attack and McLaren running away with the title. If not for that, then go Aston Martin, "Williams", or AlphaTauri. Maybe even Ferrari or Alfa Romeo.

[FaultyMario]

Michael Andretti (https://twitter.com/MarioAndretti/status/1494772955712135170) has applied for Andretti Global to enter F1 in 2024.

[FaultyMario]

No Mario. You are incorrect.
Here is wishing W13 is 1988 material. MP4/4 material.

What do these faces tell you, Ang?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL5E5aaWQAIjKXO.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL3o_ZjXMAMhCXM?format=jpg&name=large





Plus, from today's run of the Merc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL4ZUjOWQAA85kL.jpg



Same car?

Test car seems to have longer sidepods and smaller inlet.

[FaultyMario]

Apparently, the car in the distribution images was a render, and the car that was shown in the Sky F1 presentation was the same that ran on Silverstone on Friday, acute eyes were able to spot some of the testing instruments already installed.

[FaultyMario]

From F1Technical.

Old cars:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL-L1GkXoA0Tl--.jpg

New cars:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL-L1GjXEAY8COH.jpg

AeroGandalf's take:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL-H_QgXwAM2Ipk.jpg


It means the rules are not totally undermined

[FaultyMario]

There a few minor, but significant, changes to the sporting regs.

Drivers are no longer considered operational staff. And that allows them to move in and out of the paddock more easily, the drivers' press conference has also been moved from Thursday to Friday. With the longer seasons and all the Covid restrictions, this means drivers and media personnel have their workload compacted to Fri-Sun, which should be better for them.

The curfew is longer, so that mechanics can have more rest. Because of the new cars, the "jokers" to break curfew are also increased, I'm not sure, but I think that should mean paid overtime for mechanics, so the FIA did put in something to better their working conditions.

Once per season, per car, a driver with no more than 2 races of experience has to drive in FP1.

Point allocation for "sprints" (they've dropped the qualifying thing) now go from first to eight, and it starts at 8 points for the winner.

Reprimands before a penalty are increased from 3 to 5, due to more races in the calendar.

And an interesting one, gearboxes are now "restricted components". In the past they could use N number of boxes for the season, one after the other, with the new designation, gearboxes go to a pool, like other PU components, and teams can "pull" them out before they run of gearboxes and thus get a penalty for adding a new one to the pool.

[FaultyMario]

More 8-bit Red Bull:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL8WhdZXMAIXpAK.jpg

A more aggressive Alpha Tauri? It's hard to tell from that picture, but its sidepods look a lot like the Merc's. I mean, their mirror casings are almost identical.

And is that ChampCar mustache front wing, finally?

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMCT-OyWQAEGCVT.jpg

You can really see the differences here.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Look at that air box inlet on top!

Ferrari rear wing should see more downforce!

But Mercedes sidepods are smaller though, so less drag…

Anyway, should be an interesting season.

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHXUKRXMAMi2UH.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHXUbRXEAQsGHM.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHQSTRX0AA4ZfT.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMHYowmWUAYosBY.jpg

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIvhQ8XEAQ_AbZ.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Exclusive, leaked video of Alpine Launch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41aGCrXM20E

[FaultyMario]

o0o

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIRLSvX0AQWLnh.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIRLSyXMAAafGd.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMIRLSwXsAUBvk1.jpg

[FaultyMario]

I liked Haas' detached shark fin.

[Crazed_Insanity]

So cars with 3 different engines have these sidepod vents(AM, Ferrari and Renault), wonder if RB(ex-Honda) would want to adopt this feature later on?

I wonder why Mercedes and RB didn't so something similar? Maybe they were too busy developing their cars last year? AM, Ferrari and Renault probably figured they'd just focus on this year's car more and hence came up with more design variations.

This year's fantasy F1 pick is gonna be difficult. :p

[FaultyMario]

That big black thing on the Haas is also a louvered section, C_I.

[FaultyMario]

I also like the McLaren identity spreads across all of their different liveries in various disciplines, you can tell the F1 and the Indycar come from the same company. Almost like a Ferrari prototype and a F1. If I could have one, I wish more orange was seen when looking at the car from the side. Too much black, IMHO.

[Freude am Fahren]

That's pretty much an F1 thing is seems. They all go to black about half way down the sidepods.

[Crazed_Insanity]

That big black thing on the Haas is also a louvered section, C_I.

Yeah, I noticed Haas has made changes based on the latest photos you posted. Looks like they also added some vents right on the side of the drivers... (Those black triangles?)

Anyway, I really have no clue what they're trying to do, but based on my own little looks good test, so far I still rate Ferrari as #1..., Renault #2 and AM #3. Haas' current test configuration looks kinda patched on...

For the teams going for the cleaner look, I still like Mclaren the best. For some reason I'm least impressed by Mercedes and RB's effort so far... :p

[Alan P]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEp7zGIH9PA

MCL36 on track. Not pushing hard, but not really cruising either.

[XHawkeye]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMJL2HnXMAg5y_5.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMJdqEqWQAIjFT4.jpg:large

[Rare White Ape]

That's pretty much an F1 thing is seems. They all go to black about half way down the sidepods.

The black helps hide the details in their shapes. Pretty much every team had black barge boards for at least the last five years.

[FaultyMario]

The black triangles by each side of the engine intake on the Haas, I think those are the "devil horns".

And the Renault is obviously going for the canon exit.

[FaultyMario]

Friendly reminder:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMOLG0LWQAIzP1d.jpg

[FaultyMario]

AT03 at Misano

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-15-11-24-37-2-1536x1024.jpg

Triple canon?

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-15-11-26-16-11-1536x1024.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh my, I just noticed they added turn signals on F1 cars! :D

[FaultyMario]

Testing at BCN, day one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMS8ceuXMAQ0LC9.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Fuck, that Mercedes is car porn, that engine cover looks like a lady in a silk dress.

[JoeW]

Bleh Merc, RBR looks same as it ever was...same as it ever was...

I'm partial to the McLaren and to a lesser extent the Ferrari. Alpine and Aston look good too.

Haas and Alfa did so few laps the photographer couldn't get a shot apparently ;)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ironically, I don't really noticed the "Big Wheels", especially with them wheel covers. Actually, them wheels still look kinda small compared to modern vehicles on the road! :p

[FaultyMario]

Lando and Seb are 5'7" or thereabouts, right?

Why do their heads stick out more compared to 5'11" Russell?, is it the camera angle?

[FaultyMario]

More piccies:

Tapered ramps on the floor edges.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-13-59-24-10-1536x1024.jpg

Crazy sculpting.

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-08-05-32-1-1536x1024.jpg

Teams with few laps:

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-10-33-46-6-1536x1024.jpg

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-13-44-01-34-1536x1024.jpg

Nicky:

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-10-33-23-7-1536x1024.jpg

Hiviz Nicky:

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/racefansdotnet-21-02-23-13-57-57-12-1536x1024.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Too early to tell, but people in the loop seem to think that the most developed car is the Ferrari.

[Rare White Ape]

Video!


https://youtu.be/CJbVYG50Pxw

[JoeW]

I loves me some video!

Very cool to see all the teams going in different directions with their designs. RBR has the most extreme sidepod design as far as being more heavily cut out than all the others.

Now that I’ve seen them all in daylight on the track I have to say the most striking cars are the Ferrari and Red Bull. Just better looking than the others by quite a bit.

The Alpine looks cheesy. Those colors don’t go together.

McLaren not as pretty on the video. Colors looked washed out.

Merc looked like every other Merc.

Haas look fine. Williams blue is really dark. Doesn’t really stand out.

Aston green is classy but plain.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, clearly the RB at the premiere was just a decoy. Anyway, seems like RB is still experimenting with various configuration?

Ferrari does appear to be the most developed?

Anyway, maybe Mercedes’ clean look is really the way to go?

We’ll see when the green flag drops!

[FaultyMario]

Quick corners are quicker.
Slow corners are slower.

Better aero, worse suspensions and more weight.

Can they develop enough for street races to not be borefests?

[Blerpa]

Can they develop enough for street races to not be borefests?

I've the solution for everyone: no street races.

[FaultyMario]

Russian GP definitely off the calendar, right?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMXUndpXwAQmBPd.jpg

Maybe Baku if shit hits the fan.

[FaultyMario]

I meant, if shit starts to spread.

If it's a full on hit, F1 is the last of our worries.

[FaultyMario]

I've the solution for everyone: no street races.

I like how you think!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, I think having Monaco is sufficient. So it's good that we could get rid of one of them.

[FaultyMario]

Can Gene get a break?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYfsDKWUAE0SFx.jpg

[JoeW]

Welllll….I mean when you are dealing with a country run by Putin you kind of need to be ready for it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Just add some stars to the red white and blue and it'll totally look American!

Maybe they should just sell the team to Andrettis... may also help Ferrari return to the Indy 500?

[Blerpa]

Actually there are talks of Andretti jumping in.
Mazepin won't be answering interviews for the time being, it seems.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It'd be so cool if Paul Newman were still alive today and end up partnering with Haas... to form a Newman-Haas F1 team...

But he's long dead and K-mart has pretty much disappeared and we don't even have an Andretti who's actively racing anything right? Still, hopefully we can somehow have a more viable American f1 team someday... However, I don't see GM nor Ford wanting to make such investments in the future of ICE. Andretti family is probably our last hope.

[JoeW]

Just what F1 needs right now...A K-Mart car ;)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Maybe a Walmart car now?

Anyway, if only Jeff Bezos were a racing fan and dump his billions into racing rather than chasing Elon Musk into space, then maybe we could have a championship winning US team? We can showcase to the world how fast we can deliver shit to your door!!!

Without deep pockets, I'm not hopeful Andrettis will do much better than Haas even if there is a take over...

[FaultyMario]

Welllll….I mean when you are dealing with a country run by Putin you kind of need to be ready for it.

Is Haas F1 the only American company doing business with "a country run by Putin"?

I told you, your bigotry has often shown its ugly face lately.

[Crazed_Insanity]

You seemed offended by something in JoeW's comment, but I kinda failed to understand what that something is.

I'd pretty much respond with the samething if he didn't make that comment. What was so offensive or bigoted about his comment?

[dodint]

Just what F1 needs right now...A K-Mart car ;)

I laughed. In part because I know there are only 4 K-Marts left so it would be unwise of them to blow their marketing budget in this way. :lol:

[JoeW]

Yep my Putin bigotry is strong. My Trump bigotry is strong as well. If the US was a military focused dictatorship on the verge of invading a nearby country I would advise against dealing with us as well.

So yep…a bigot. Again.

You got me. Again. So astute. If it weren’t for you I would have gone through life thinking I wasn’t.

[FaultyMario]

BUT, ANSWER THE QUESTION!!

[JoeW]

42!!! Dammit!

[Crazed_Insanity]

What the fuck are you guys talking about? How do you know 42 is the right answer?

[JoeW]

42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

Duh!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh! Thanks JoeWise!

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYbNpgXsAUSbCt.jpg

I don't think we'll see the team's latest evolution until day 3 of the Bahrain test.

[JoeW]

I was reading something in my latest Bigotry Digest about several teams having little panels like that so they can easily try several things out exactly as Merc is doing. Of course Merc is a little more obvious due to the bright color of the panels but many of the others are doing the same.

I would imagine they might even do it during the season...different things for different races maybe...

Saw a few photos of some of the crazy aero rakes as well. Surprised some of those rigs don't get broken during testing.

[Rare White Ape]

This is not the best reference, but... teams have been doing this for years and years and years.

https://www.hiroboy.com/thumbnail/1200x1200/userfiles/images/sys/products/112_Mclaren_MP45B_ver_A_59188.jpeg

[Rare White Ape]

I noticed the little fins under the Mercedes' mirrors. That's the first time I've seen those. Now that they have no barge boards they need to find new ways of separating the dirty air from the front suspension and the clean air from above the suspension, and make sure only the clean air finds its way onto the rear wing.

[JoeW]

This porpoising thing is going to be a problem for most of them. That will likely be a huge concern now that they are experiencing it on track. The sim and and the wind tunnels can't replicate this issue so I'm sure the teams were caught a bit off guard.

[FaultyMario]

Can Gene get a break?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYfsDKWUAE0SFx.jpg

Fuck, it seems Uralkali is taking this as a breach of contract, Haas is in financial trouble.

Rumor has it that Driver #9 might be out of a seat.

[JoeW]

Holy bigoted ballsacks batman!

Where the hell is Andretti's wallet when you need it?

Might want to leave those stickers right where they are for now ;) The HAAS bigots have been shown the err of their ways. Faulty needs to send them a strongly worded letter on the subject ;)

[Crazed_Insanity]

This porpoising thing is going to be a problem for most of them. That will likely be a huge concern now that they are experiencing it on track. The sim and and the wind tunnels can't replicate this issue so I'm sure the teams were caught a bit off guard.

I can understand wind tunnel couldn’t recreate that, but simulator should be able to recreate that!

Also, I’d think this should be easy to fix? Previously they added metal spark generating pieces to prevent cars riding too low. They can probably do likewise to prevent car going too low so that the flow won’t stall to cause the bobbing effect.

[JoeW]

Russian GP officially off.

[Rare White Ape]

Plain white Haas.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMbbgikWYAwZtTP?format=jpg&name=large

And stickers coming off the trucks too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYwURXXIAMBS3g?format=jpg&name=large

They will road trip it to Kmart in the morning to get some replacement jackets for $8.99 each.

[JoeW]

Haha that would be a serious road trip :)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Why do they wear black jackets? White cars and black jackets? I guess it is beginning to look a lot like the old Newman Haas! Trip to Kmart it is!!!

[JoeW]

You know you are the lackies when you get the shit job of taking the stickers off the trailer.

But to be a part of an F1 team I’d gladly clean toilets and remove stickers all day :)

[Rare White Ape]

Renault has been confirmed as Andretti F1 engine supplier.

[JoeW]

Has Andretti been confirmed as a team? I read something where Toto was adamant against another team on the grid.

If I were going to choose a PU supplier for my new team, Renault would not even be on my list :) I’d go with RBR rebranded Honda engines before I picked Renault.

[XHawkeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3_IzdkeFk

[Rare White Ape]

Has Andretti been confirmed as a team? I read something where Toto was adamant against another team on the grid.

If I were going to choose a PU supplier for my new team, Renault would not even be on my list :) I’d go with RBR rebranded Honda engines before I picked Renault.

From what I understand Wolfe’s reservations were about having too many Ferraris on the grid, as each engine gets them a vote. There was a possibility that Andretti would go the Ferrari route as they seem more than willing to supply teams these days.

In the end they went with Renault, and Renault would be keen to supply Andretti because they are down to two cars themselves.

[JoeW]

Roger that good sir.

[JoeW]

Looks like Fittipaldi will be getting the call soon for Haas.

[Rare White Ape]

I like this livery. Very hot.

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Front_Dynamic_ZHO_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transfo rm/9col-retina/image.jpg

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Rear_Right_ZHO_8000x6000_300DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg

https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2022manual/WinterFebruary/AlfaRomeoLaunch/C42_Front_Left_KUB_4000x3000_96DPI.jpg.transform/9col-retina/image.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

Best wheel covers for sure!

[JoeW]

Well I hope it’s good for Bottas sake. Poor guy has had to deal with some shit at Merc.

[JoeW]

Interesting to hear Andretti has tried to buy Haas a few times over the past couple of years. Gene might be inclined to do it very soon if this sponsorship deal falls away.

[CudaMan]

That is one sexy race car. The glossy candy red really suits it and sets off nicely against the carbon fiber.

[JoeW]

There’s a video on the F1 site that is titled something like “watch Gasly’s fancy footwork during a lap” blah blah.

Well apparently they have never seen footage of some serious heel/toe 3 pedal driving…otherwise they wouldn’t call 2 pedal driving “fancy footwork”.

[Tom Servo]

I have a feeling a lot of the crowd that have come to the sport after seeing the Netflix show probably have never seen heel-to shifting. Or ever drive a car with a third pedal.

[Crazed_Insanity]

In the future, EVs will come with single pedal. Or perhaps no pedals at all when it becomes autonomous. Dancing with 2 pedals must look very impressive to current generation of fans!:D

[FaultyMario]

The Audacity of the Caucasity! (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM2arFUX0AcDknG.jpg)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM1Js_ZXwAYN9Yr.jpg

[JoeW]

I assume the driver salaries do not count against the team budgets? Otherwise Merc and RBR would be driving Yugos around the track.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, Drivers and a few of the head-honchos like Team Principal I think.

[JoeW]

Highest number I have seen is $55m for both of them. Yikes...plus endorsement deals etc etc. I wonder what they bring in when it's all over? I imagine Hamilton brings in a ton more sponsor stuff etc due to his better image and overall better demeanor.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I just googled and found out Yiki is being paid too low!!! Almost all other low paying drivers including rookies are getting paid at $850,000 (Euros), but Yuki is like the only one being paid less at $650,000! Perhaps they're factoring in the damages he'll cause on his car? Anyway, even at 650k, that's still a lot of money to me!!!

Why are these drivers being paid so much for having so much fun?!?!? :p

[dodint]

Motorsport UK will refuse to recognize licenses of competitors from the Russian federation. No Russian/Belarusian-licensed teams, drivers, or officials may enter or participate in races in the UK, and no Russian/Belarusian national symbols, colors, or flags may be displayed at UK races.

[JoeW]

Bigots!

[Alan P]

Apparently Max's deal also includes a clause that he pays for any repairs and parts they deem he has caused damage to or he is at fault for. If he continues to play with fire this season that could be a million Euro a race!

[JoeW]

With 22-23 races he would still be on the profit side of things by a good $30mil. So...fucking go for it!


https://youtu.be/oTZETtLCZZ0

[FaultyMario]

Asked by RTL whether he “shed a tear” for Masi after his removal was announced, Wolff simply replied: “No”.

o0o

[JoeW]

Everyone is saying to get ready for the season of car protests. Looks like a lot of teams are taking advantage of the the regulation in ways that are not in keeping with the spirit of the rules.

Color me surprised…

[Rare White Ape]

Heh. Giving engineers a strict set of new rules is like asking a dog to sit on a mat before it gets a biscuit. It’ll put one foot on the mat and call it good :lol:

[FaultyMario]

Darude - (https://www.fiaformula2.com/Latest/2dIL8HXGT3RjgMjvZHtEMD/drugovich-fastest-for-mp-motorsport-on-morning-of-day-3-as-a-sandstorm)

[Rare White Ape]

It's official: Mazepin is out of HASS.

https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/03/05/haas-splits-with-mazepin-uralkali/

[Yobbo NZ]

Since he's still a Ferrari sim driver....Bring back Hartley!

[Rare White Ape]

Haha!

Apparently the Fittipaldi kid is taking the seat.

[JoeW]

Lotsa bigots nowadays…sad

[FaultyMario]

I was hoping they called K-Mag back. If only because the die cast model of the 2021 Haas with Mick's and Kevin's sponsors looked ace.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Probably better to give young drivers the chance. If I were Kevin, I wouldn’t come back to a team with likely insufficient funding…

[Rare White Ape]

Newsflash: HAAS Automation has enough revenue rolling in each year to run an F1 team for half a decade. Sponsorship is merely there to reduce costs to the owner. And since the car has a big HAAS logo on the side it’s seen as a marketing exercise and is tax deductible. Professional economists who are way smarter than me would have crunched the numbers and likely found that this level of exposure would have a net benefit to the company, especially in Europe.

HAAS has been competing in F1 for six years and for only two of those did they have title sponsorship branding from external sponsors.

[dodint]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6wrdxi9WW3EEpe9y/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[Crazed_Insanity]

Toyota probably has enough money and expertise to run an F1 team for all eternity, but it probably doesn’t make sense to write off so much money for so long with so little to show for…

[JoeW]

Yeah being the shittiest team on the grid is not a great Ad︃ for excellence.

[JoeW]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/the-most-overrated-and-underrated-f1-drivers/ss-AAUCwy5?ocid=msedgntp#image=1

[Tom Servo]

While that article is sure to start some fights, my favorite part is them putting up a picture of Bottas for the Coulthard slide.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Too long, didn’t care… lots of drivers I don’t even know!

Anyway, David Bottas was definitely over under rated… championship results can really speak for themselves… well, maybe last year was the exception? Besides RD screwing it up, when 2 over rated drivers fight for the championship, the winner must be super over rated?

[JoeW]

Yeah the Bottas pic was hilarious.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yep, if the author couldn’t even tell what each driver looks like, it makes his rating system way less convincing. If you honestly couldn’t find a pic or don’t know what he looks like, at least just post a pic of him driving his car? I can understand typos, but a ‘picto’ like that was just odd.

[FaultyMario]

I was hoping they called K-Mag back. If only because the die cast model of the 2021 Haas with Mick's and Kevin's sponsors looked ace.

Told ya!

Magnussen confirmed for the second Haas team.

[samoht]

Mazep-out, Magnuss-in.


Good to see K-Mag back, he always seemed to be giving it 100% and often getting the best out of a tricky car, feels worthy of an F1 seat to me.

[JoeW]

I see what you did there…bravo :)

[CudaMan]

“The rest of my career will only be racing with a hope of winning”

Does KMag know something about this year's HAAS?

Will be interesting to see how Mick does this year up against a proven teammate.

[Blerpa]

Ferrari proves it has zero leverage in F1 these days.
Giovinazzi snubbed in favor of Magnussen.
Dear lord.

[FaultyMario]

seat, not team.

Could you imagine a battle at the bottom with two Gunthers at the helms?

[Rare White Ape]

Will be interesting to see how Mick does this year up against a proven teammate.

I think a lot of us want to see the Mini Schu do well. Here’s hoping.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ferrari proves it has zero leverage in F1 these days.
Giovinazzi snubbed in favor of Magnussen.
Dear lord.

Isn’t mini-schu already there because of Ferrari?

Anyway, yeah, having Kevin there sure will be nice to gauge the performances of those 2.

I get the feeling Kevin will probably kick Mike Jr’s butt. We’ll see.

[Rare White Ape]

If gawd doesn't exist then explain whatever the fuck this is. Checkmate afeists.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478626607544926217/951416334510620702/adglpc7ywhm81.png

[JoeW]

Either a colossal failure or a sneaky advantage. We’ll see next week who guessed right on the regs :)

[FaultyMario]

Der Plan.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If gawd doesn't exist then explain whatever the fuck this is. Checkmate afeists.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478626607544926217/951416334510620702/adglpc7ywhm81.png

Doesn’t look so bad on the side, but from this view, it looks hideous!

[FaultyMario]

The wing thing that the dude is holding with his right hand is one of the four mandatory sideways crash structures, if you look down near the black box under the Petronas logo, there's a bump on the bodywork where the other crash thing goes. The only difference is that top one has an aerodynamic shroud.

The black box, btw is the microwave transponder used for timing.

[FaultyMario]

"Tell us the F1 season is upon us without using words"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNfmm-sXwAQNzrC.jpg

[FaultyMario]

I think the main advantage from the slim W13 is that it allows the engineers to play with a lot more surfaces on the front end, opening up more setup options.

Did you guys see front wing they were running? It was huge.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNet8mkX0AEVk8e.png

Ferrari has said "no big deal, we thought about it early on the design phase but we think we have more development room with our chosen path".

Also, RB might want to thread lightly on how they protest this car, aren't they themselves lobbying for a higher minimum weight?

[JoeW]

I hear the main issue with the new W13 is the mirror mount. It's basically another wing. And it's not supposed to be...I expect some sort of protest/ruling on that very soon.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If that split pic is scaled correctly, looks like Mercedes is sitting much lower to the ground based on cockpit height.

'Wing thing' as a side impact structure makes no sense.

At least to me, Mercedes failed to 'look good' test. Ferrari still looks better.

Can't wait to see what Newey has done.

[FaultyMario]

Isn't it almost identical to the Red Bull's?

piccies:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYMcNwWYAIh05g.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNe8F_IWYAUu5rt.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNfFFJKWQAESK7X.jpg

[FaultyMario]

'Wing thing' as a side impact structure makes no sense.

It's the other way around, Mercedes took the mandatory protruding thing and shrouded it in CF to make it a wing. All teams have to have those four beams on the sides of the survival cell, but they're usually under the bodywork.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Isn't it almost identical to the Red Bull's?

piccies:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYMcNwWYAIh05g.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNe8F_IWYAUu5rt.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNfFFJKWQAESK7X.jpg

RB and most other teams have high side pods(inlets), but MB took a different approach and lowered their sidepods, which is probably why they now need a protruding wing. If those things produce significant down force, then they ought to be illegal.

[JoeW]

You guys are talking about different things right?


I am talking the Merc's Wing Mirror mounts...which appear to be made into actual aero wings. I expect these to be ruled on very soon.

As usual...I have no idea what Billi is talking about ;)

The RBR wing mount is just a thin little mount attached to the sidepod. The Merc's is this huge extra wing attached to the car.

[FaultyMario]

I am talking the Merc's Wing Mirror mounts...which appear to be made into actual aero wings. I expect these to be ruled on very soon.

That's what my pictures show, that both the Merc and the RB went for a boomerang winglet as the support for their mirror cases.

Billi seems to be confusing the mandatory sideways chassis structures with something else.

[dodint]

Billi seems to be confusing...

mmhmmm

[JoeW]

I'm talking about the actual thing that the mirror mounts on as well. Mercs is an actual large wing. RBR is just a tiny little mount on top of an existing part of the car (sidepod).

[Rare White Ape]

The Merc’s “wing thing” IS the side impact structure. If protested, the best outcome would be that it follows a neutrally aerodynamic shape. But being part of the side pod… try and find the line in the rule book that allows the FIA to compel such a thing.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: F1 is as much an engineering sport as it is a racing sport. And a lawyer sport :p

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYbNpgXsAUSbCt.jpg

I don't think we'll see the team's latest evolution until day 3 of the Bahrain test.

Mirror mounts on Merc, RB, Williams and Alpha Tauri look pretty similar to me.

[JoeW]

In your photo on the previous page there is a guy with his hand on the wing I am talking about. Isn’t that what the mirror is mounted on? Maybe I’m missing it…

Everyone else’s is mounted in some way to the sidepod. The Merc one looks to be just a big wing?

[FaultyMario]

The Merc’s “wing thing” IS the side impact structure. If protested, the best outcome would be that it follows a neutrally aerodynamic shape.

No, what the Mercedes tech is holding is the side impact structure.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNfCs8RXsAYmq6T.jpg

They're spec parts, with Red Bull being the official provider (teams can buy from them or make their own, to spec).

The only thing is that bc Mercedes has no bodywork to cover them, they asked permission to put an aerodynamic-neutral shroud on them, like those covering the official cameras.

There are aero shrouds around the Halo, too, so I can't see the FIA refusing this shroud and opening up that can of worms.

[Rare White Ape]

But it doesn’t have a neutral shape. Best seen in the split Ferrari image you posted, there’s an asymmetrical sculpt to it.

Furthermore, there are myriad little fins the size of paddlepop sticks between the mirror and that structure which, to me, look like they are smoothing out airflow like the old barge boards did.

[FaultyMario]

Oh, I see what you mean.

I think it's a trick of perspective, I can spot 2 different elements, the shrouded side impact structure and the mirror wing. The mirror mount is pushing the spirit of the rules, it might be too much. The other thing, meh, if you look at the wider W13 on the overhead photos, you can see the impact structure just slightly ahead of the Petronas oil droplet, a couple of inches below the mirror mount.

Edit: Cheeky bastards, those Mercedes guys, they moved the mirror mount a little bit forward and a bit down so that it "merges" with the impact structure to make them one bigger boomerang wing. You can see that in the Inspector Seb photo.

[JoeW]

Thanks. All is answered :)

[JoeW]

Going racing next week...been a long wait.

My hopes for a mixed up power structure are fading fast though. Looks like Merc is set to pull away again while everyone plays catch up.

Either way...I'm happy for some racing to happen.

[FaultyMario]

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/racefansdotnet-21-03-10-09-55-13-6-1536x1024.jpg

Defo not legal!

[Crazed_Insanity]

So I was confusing but I wasn’t the one who’s confused right?

Legal or not, fast or not, new MB is UGLY!

[FaultyMario]

Ready for Netflix?


DTS isn't accurate. It's ridiculous. It's annoying how ridiculous it is, but after what felt like a very serious, far too long season, I was ready for stupidity. It turns out the only way I can digest the genuinely distressing facts of the 2021 F1 world championship is as a completely deranged piece of fanfiction that's both poorly written and so obviously cheapened with its own strange agendas it's genuinely funny.

[Freude am Fahren]

:lol:

Here's an informative look at the Merc from a legality and aerodynamic standpoint. Note that he is an ex-Mercedes aerodynamicist, so bias may be there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6T1comENg

[JoeW]

I suppose that is probably how it should be watched. More like the shows like “Inventing Anna” says…everything is true except the parts that are totally made up :)

[Blerpa]

Ready for Netflix?

Nope. Can't be bothered.
I found out I didn't even finish Drive to Survive 3rd season.

[Crazed_Insanity]

:lol:

Here's an informative look at the Merc from a legality and aerodynamic standpoint. Note that he is an ex-Mercedes aerodynamicist, so bias may be there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6T1comENg

Excellent informative video which helped me understand what the heck MB is doing... or why MB is so hideously ugly. Anyway, thanks!

[Rare White Ape]

:lol:

Here's an informative look at the Merc from a legality and aerodynamic standpoint. Note that he is an ex-Mercedes aerodynamicist, so bias may be there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP6T1comENg

That’s a very good video. Thanks :up:

[Rare White Ape]

https://youtu.be/zfQSruGcp9c

[FaultyMario]

If Ricciardo tested positive for Covid on the 11th, can he test negative before FP1 on March 18th?

[Crazed_Insanity]

It’d suck if the virus messes with the championship…

Anyway, glad to see Kevin is doing so well!

[Rare White Ape]

If Ricciardo tested positive for Covid on the 11th, can he test negative before FP1 on March 18th?

Probably not. And, is he even in Bahrain right now? If not, then travel will add another day to his issues.

[JoeW]

Started watching Drive to Survive. I still love the show. And it’s not necessarily the narratives. What I love are all the backstage horseplay, language and just general behind the scenes reactions we never see. That’s what really entertains me.

[FaultyMario]

Probably not. And, is he even in Bahrain right now? If not, then travel will add another day to his issues.

Alpine has made Piastri available in case he is needed.

[Blerpa]

Alpine has made Piastri available in case he is needed.

The two teams have already reached an official agreement. Piastri in Mclaren in case Ricciardo, or even Norris, cannot race at least at the start of the season.

[samoht]

Whoever had money on 'Kevin Magnussen in a Haas tops one of the day's testing timesheets', please go to the bookies, your winnings are waiting for you. Bring your wheelbarrow. (Yesterday / Day 5, albeit in the extra make-up running they got at the end of the day when it was cooler).

[JoeW]

Yeah looking forward to seeing Haas in the mid pack this year. Would be refreshing to see them get some points.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Have to wonder how real are these testing lap times… still, nice to see Haas doing well. But Haas and Alfa seem to still have reliability issues.

Anyway, looking forward to see a real race!

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, those times are probably not representative since they did their extra running at night. But I expect them to come out of the gates stronger than last year, maybe even up midpack like they did in their first couple years. But like those year, I expect them to fall off to the bottom again.

[JoeW]

Let's say a team went completely in the wrong direction to start the season. Now there is some sort of cost cap for R/D through the season?

[FaultyMario]

teams are assigned CFD time proportionally inverse to their finishing position in the WCC.

Plus they have a set of stipend restrictions.

Plus the power unit freeze.

[JoeW]

So if a top tier team from last year really blew the new regs they would be at a greater disadvantage in trying to catch up?

[FaultyMario]

in theory yes, because they have a lesser allocation of development resources at their disposal.

In practice, no, because they have so much manpower they can afford to shuffle it around.

[JoeW]

You know what I am curious about...let's say for shits and giggles...that Russell is ahead of Hamilton by midseason by 20-30pts. But due to just sheer bad luck...not Russell being awesome. And Russell is closer to whoever the championship leader is...maybe in a close points battle. But Ham still has a mathematical chance in the WDC.

Do we live in a world where they give Hamilton team orders to let Russell past in order to stay close in the WDC? Does Hamilton tell them to eat shit if they do come to that?

[FaultyMario]

Do we live in a world where they give Hamilton team orders to let Russell past in order to stay close in the WDC? Does Hamilton tell them to eat shit if they do come to that?

Those things are probably already written in the 700 pages of the drivers' contracts.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I’d think team orders are typically expected only if the teammate has no chance of winning the championship anyway. So you swap positions with your mate to help the guy who still has a chance while team scores the same points.

I’d only expect Ferrari to ask the 2nd driver to yield more to the #1, but I think Carlos has done good enough of a job to not get their typical #2 treatment.

RB might be very biased toward a single driver as well…

Anyway, I just don’t believe MB would ask the leading driver to make way for Ham. I didn’t draft that contract, so I could be wrong of course.

[Rare White Ape]

Lewis Hamilton is planning on adding his mother’s maiden name to his name, possibly in the coming weeks, to honour her family.

So expect to see something like Lewis Larbalestier-Hamilton in the timesheets sometime soon.

[Freude am Fahren]

USGP tickets were released today (who knew?). By the time I got through the Ticketmaster queue (like 15000th in line), the only thing left was wheelchair access.

Every year prior I've gotten head's ups and presale opportunities.

Oh and all the tickets are like 50-75% more expensive.

Fuck you, Netflix.

[Tom Servo]

Hah, just out of curiosity I tried checking what the cost of the tickets were. When I got to Ticketmaster, it said I was 177th in line. A couple of minutes later said that it was my turn, and that the page would refresh and I could look at tickets. Page refreshed, and I was 10,199th in line.

I already know they're pointlessly expensive, but was still curious.

[FaultyMario]

it all starts tomorrow, right?

do you guys think Ferrari can get either of the championships?

i think Red Bull don't have the resources to go for both, so they'll concentrate on the driver's.

Analysts think Haas was was tasked with testing the more powerful engine modes in Bahrain, and that's the reason why Magnussen posted a fast lap on the night when he was granted the extra running time, to take advantage of the cooler conditions, and then they repeated it under more normal circumstances with Mick, the next day. I don't know if Ferrari used only the more restrictive power modes because they were sandbagging or because they didn't want a battery overheating to disrupt their testing programme, or because now that teams have learned to read the gps traces, Ferrari ran a detuned power unit to keep their hand close to their chest.

Gasly has said that he spent some of his track time running near Hamilton, and that he believes him when he says that they haven't unlocked the W13. Mercedes is on the back foot, but i believe they aimed pretty high, so, if they do get around their suspension and setup problems, they're going to take both titles.

Alpha Tauri have a fast car out of the gates, but reports from Bahrain indicate that the parts that worked for them on the last day were fixxored on-site, so i think they still have a ways to go to have a package that they understand how to get the most out of. They were destroying their floors in Barcelona and managed to control the car squat in Bahrain.

Aston I think they need a B-spec, from what was said about them, i concluded that they have a conservative platform, it may allow them to compete at the beginning but their car has a low performance ceiling.

McLaren are in dire straits, only one of their drivers knows the car well and the other is going to have to help in developing it at the same time he deals with COVID-19 recovery. Sure, that sounds like three of four races operating at half steam, but i reckon that's two too many in such a competitive season. I expect them to recover, but not in time to fight for best of the rest.

I hope Haas capitalize on their early "advantage" over their closest competitors and on the support they're going to get from Ferrari while they both learn to optimize ground effects 2.1.

[Kchrpm]

I don't know about any of that stuff, I just want my favorite driver to win every race and the on track action to be exciting. #casualfan

[FaultyMario]

Another thing, IIRC the turbo charger is not as restricted as other PU components, right? so, if Mercedes are indeed using synergetic air breathing rocket engine (SABRE) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_(rocket_engine)) technology on their intercooler, that means they should be able to spool their turbo to higher speeds, which would, in theory, give them a hp advantage...

Am I on the right track?

[Freude am Fahren]

Not sure, with fuel flow being limited, I don't think upping boost actually helps. Maybe in low end grunt?

But I think the key to any gains in cooling efficiency lie in aerodynamics. If you can cool equally with less air, you can make the car less draggy.

[FaultyMario]

Rumor is that they're using pre-coolers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precooled_jet_engine).

[Crazed_Insanity]

Nothing is free. Cryogenic fuel will add weight. Freezer will suck power.

Anyway, this season should be fun to watch as teams experiment with their different ideas.

Like I said before, I really believe in the 'looks good test'. At least to me, Mercedes does not look good. However, I'm not counting them out yet. I just think Ferrari and RB might be ahead in the beginning. But then who knows, maybe some midfield team will surprise us.

[FaultyMario]

Last year, Alpha Tauri's white wheels were all the rage. Seeing that, McLaren has opted for Chrome wheels this year.



Google chrome wheels:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FODNZp7WUAA5Qs9.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Nothing is free. Cryogenic fuel will add weight. Freezer will suck power.

How much cryogenic coolant do you think the Mercedes intercooler can take? a couple of liters maybe?, even at triple the density it shouldn't be that big of a difference. I think that what the rocket engine people helped design (and manufacture) were the air-to-air exchange structures, from what I've read they're industry leaders in advanced additive manufacturing. Also, analysts based their guesses on what is known of the evolution of the Mercedes cooling, in that they had been moving most of the radiators to the center and back of the chassis in the last few years, with the breakthrough coming in the form of a new packaging for the turbo cooling.

[JoeW]

I still think Mercedes will come out victorious. They just have such a huge workforce and cash flow.

Seeing Hamilton on Netflix wearing a likely extremely expensive and designer orange outfit is hilarious to me. So much money for something you can likely get at a prison commissary for cheap…

[FaultyMario]

Because black man, right?

[JoeW]

Or because Orange jumpsuit?

But sure, if it makes you feel good. Whatever you say.

Slight edit…if he was making some sort of statement about social injustice then I was unaware of that. Otherwise it’s a fairly hideous outfit…or an important statement?

[FaultyMario]

Or because microaggressions (https://www.thoughtco.com/microaggression-definition-examples-4171853)?

[JoeW]

Again…genius. Your e-profile of me should be nearly complete by now?

[FaultyMario]

No, not genius, informed.

FYI, I am part of a racist society, I take it as my civic duty to be informed of the mechanisms of discrimination, racialization and social stratification that are prevalent with it so that I do not engage in those practices. Because they are so embedded in our institutions they often become normal in our behavior so they are a little difficult to spot, but once you get the hang of it, you are comfortable in pointing them out, first to yourself and then to others.

So, yeah, what you did there was try to invalidate a successful person of color's achievements by mocking their image. "He's so rich he dresses like a prison inmate", when in reality there are questionable public image choices from all competitors in F1, present and past (some of them having had run ins with law enforcement, others have presented themselves on camera as someone who sees acts of violence as "normal").

In short, what you did there was a microaggression and I just pointed it out, because that's what we should do when people act like that in public. Or else, we're never going to to break the prevalence of inequality in our environments.

[FaultyMario]

"He's so rich he dresses like a prison inmate", when in reality there are questionable public image choices from all competitors in F1.

Even in DTS, just from the way they dress, most of the interviewees come across as privileged pricks, and you "joking" that the only black man in the series is "dressed in prison attire". Well, that raises an eyebrow, at the very least.

[JoeW]

Mkay. Orrr...you see "anyone" dressed in an all orange jumpsuit and make a comment about it looking like prison attire. See the difference there? And mocking the price of said orange jumpsuit is akin to the "Derelicte" line of clothing meant to mock how upscale fashion can often resemble basic trash. So keep on plugging away there. You'll nail me down eventually...well...in your mind you already have.

You know at first I thought it was playful banter. But now I see you are quite serious in your accusations. Coming from someone who is supposedly this harbinger of the new culture of equality...one would think you would refrain from accusing people about whom you have no knowledge besides random BS remarks on a forum designed to incite irreverent and comedic responses.

But hey...cool...now I know you aren't trying to have this "inside" joke thing with me. You genuinely think I'm a racist and a bigot. Well...have at it bro. If it makes you feel better that you have someone on this very forum that you can carry out your goals then go for it. I can't stop it. And honestly if it makes you feel like you are doing good then I am somewhat satisfied it makes you happy.

And for the record when you quote things...it is meant to be verbatim, not a paraphrase of what you are trying to make it mean. "He's so rich he dresses like a prison inmate" is nowhere near what I said. So keep up your rhetoric...I look forward to seeing where it goes.



https://youtu.be/mVscQYjuq_s

[JoeW]

I just thought of something else...if you really think that of me...and I'm pretty sure kchprm already has his opinion down as well. And the majority of you guys want me to leave then I have no problem signing off. I only frequent here and GTP. Here mainly because I can curse and cut up and talk shit...GTP because that's where I race online.

If you start a poll asking who wants me to leave because they think I'm a racist and a bigot then I will leave and never come back. No problem.

I just thought it was fun to hang with fellow OG Gamehunter (and so on) people. But if most of you think I should go then I'm out.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes, we definitely should vote and cancel all white assholes on this board.

It's obvious to me that JoeW is a Nazi and we ought to denazify this place just like ukraine.

Seriously though Mario, I think you're being overly sensitive here. This has happened on multiple occasions here in the f1 thread and every single time, I think it's you who are being overly sensitive? Yet, you're doing it again and again?

I think it's clear JoeW doesn't like HAM, but I really don't think he's a racist asshole.

If there are certain behaviors that won't be tolerated here, perhaps admins can put together a rule explicitly telling us what kind of politically incorrect comments are unacceptable so that we're all clear on that? But in reality how can we really make any rules about talking about a black guy wearing an expensive orange jump suit?

Anyway, please don't always jump to the worst case scenario with whatever comments posted. That should make this place more fun and interesting. Give people the benefit of doubt. Now if you've gathered plenty of evidences showing that JoeW is a Nazi, then let's let the trial begin and see if we could hang JoeW?

If you're unable to prove his guilt, then please try to hold your tongue a bit? Or at least just trash talk him or something. Does it really need to be so serious?

[FaultyMario]

This comment is directed to Billi:

FFS!, I said it was a microaggression. I even linked to a definition, I never called anyone a Nazi.

I will repeat:

a) We live in racist societies where,
b) Racism is normalized by
c) Institutionalized behaviors that aim to:
d) Racialize (that is, to associate certain social values to physical characteristics of people), Stratify (make groups of people fit into certain social classes) and finally
e) Discriminate, that is, to negate certain rights to certain people. And while that maybe the end result, racism in society is built like a pyramid, with a lot of
f) Microaggressions, that is, small nuanced actions, some of them unintentional, where someone makes a racialized person feel uncomfortable. If we want to build a more
g) Equitable world, we should all call out the aforementioned conducts before they snowball into all-out racism.

Do I make myself clear?

What I'm saying is: If a dude says "look at that black guy in the orange clothes! it seems he got them from the prison" without being prompted, I feel it must be called out as a microaggression.

[FaultyMario]

This comment is also directed to Billi:

And if me being sensitive to aggressive speech offends you, deal with it, bitch. It's your problem, not mine.

I've grown tired of my national origin being used against me, even on this board, so no, I'm not giving it a pass anymore, I'm fucking calling out racism when I see it.

[Rare White Ape]

I think Joe’s first mistake was actually watching DTS.

[Crazed_Insanity]

And if me being sensitive to aggressive speech offends you, deal with it, bitch. It's your problem, not mine.

I've grown tired of my national origin being used against me, even on this board, so no, I'm not giving it a pass anymore, I'm fucking calling out racism when I see it.

What kind of fucking nazi attitude is that? Nazis can fucking say and do whatever they want. You're offended? Deal with that? It's your problem that you're not white and superior like them?

Whether it's macro or micro, we don't need more aggressions. If you suspect other posters are making racist comments, try to probe and ask more questions and try to understand exactly what he meant by it. If it's clear JoeW is a fucking racist, ban him.

I really don't think Russians and Lewis Hamilton need you to defend them. Just chill man. I don't remember you apologizing last time when you were wrongly on his case about russians.

Lastly, I'm not aware of JoeW being against you or Mexico. If you are experiencing something unpleasant elsewhere, I don't think it's fair to take it out on people here.

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOCZZi_XIAEa3WI.jpg

New parts already made. That's for RB, but most teams got 3 or more crates this morning.

[JoeW]

Again you are quoting where you should be saying something like..."it sounds to me like he's saying...".

"look at that black guy in the orange clothes! it seems he got them from the prison". So it looks like the aggression is from you.

Is it at all possible that an expensive orange jumpsuit on "anyone" could be considered a punchline? If it were any driver in DTS shown walking in a designer orange jumpsuit I would have made a joke. This is definitely an underlying issue for you where you are searching for someone to unleash your anger on. I don't necessarily mind that I'm it...especially if it gives you some satisfaction. But you also need to consider the very tiny miniscule possibility (in your mind) that it is not a racist joke...but merely a joke about the state of fashion where an orange jumpsuit (which we all know has a certain reputation...even Netflix made a show about it...Orange is the new black) can be "elevated" to high fashion. There are countless witticisms throughout history about the classic orange jumpsuit.

Now I'm giving zero fucks what you think of me on a large scale. But it is getting tiresome that you continue to try to speak about me and all you seem to do is leap to conclusions when maybe consider Occam's Razor solution. Maybe the simplest solution...it's a joke about orange jumpsuits...is true. Rather than the unlikely (and quite frankly...grasping at straws) solution that I am some sort of racist masquerading on this board of largely well rounded humans.

Honestly I don't expect you to even consider changing your mind. Because in life it is harder to admit you are wrong. But maybe privately consider the possibility you may have taken a leap down a path because you may have implied some things that weren't there. This might help you in the future from doing the same thing to someone else in real life instead of an internet acquaintance.

Imagine for a second, the possibility of someone being completely blind to race. Now imagine any rich person wearing a very expensive orange jumpsuit. Is it possible for the person blind to race to make a joke about someone wearing an expensive jumpsuit? No matter the race of the person wearing it. Just consider the possibility.

I will tell you I am that person that is blind to race. I don't need to prove it to you...but just consider the possibility.

[FaultyMario]

Yeah, where was the prompt? Were we talking Hamilton? Were we talking driver's fashions?

No, you just felt comfortable making a joke about a driver looking like a prison inmate.

We were making guesses about cooling systems.

You felt you could say that you felt Mercedes could turn it around this season. Fine.

But then, where the hell did the "Hamilton would have gotten his clothes for free from prison" comment come from?

You're right, I am taking a leap, yes, but in my experience, those comments almost always come from some with privilege who doesn't stop to think how inappropriate they are, because they always get away with saying aggressive shit like that.

[FaultyMario]

People continue to say aggressive shit like that and I will continue to point it out, it's really simple.

Billi continues to hyperbole the shit out of anything and I will just ignore it, it's really tiresome.

[JoeW]

I imagined that people here were above leaping to conclusions and could just take the joke as it stood. I was incorrect. I assumed we were all of like mind on this board (aside from certain drivers we are fans of etc). I assumed we were all mature adults and were above making shallow assumptions about each other. I thought we could all just be face value here.

I suppose not.

[FaultyMario]

Your joke is shit. You can't say things like that out in public. It's not OK.

[JoeW]

And again I never said a driver looked like a prison inmate. You continue to add more context where there was none.

Here is the original comment....

"Seeing Hamilton on Netflix wearing a likely extremely expensive and designer orange outfit is hilarious to me. So much money for something you can likely get at a prison commissary for cheap…"

Now please read it as a simple joke about fashion. Then tell me how much extra context you added to make the leap to calling Hamilton a likely inmate.

[Crazed_Insanity]

People continue to say aggressive shit like that and I will continue to point it out, it's really simple.

Billi continues to hyperbole the shit out of anything and I will just ignore it, it's really tiresome.

What is so aggressive about commenting on somebody's weird fashion statement of an F1 driver in an F1 thread?

Give people some breaks dude.

He also made some comments regarding Haas doing business with the Russians. That was fucking racist too? You really don't believe you're slightly wrong at all and you think the world needs you to call these kind of shit out all the time knowing very well that you are taking leaps?

Com'on Mario.

You are not making it simple, you are complicating this. It's okay to find somebody's joke not funny, but I think you crossed the line by leaping and calling somebody a racist.

Anyway, I think we've all said enough. You chew on what these discussions. It's your life, you do what you want with it. You ignore me, I'll ignore your stupid ass comments too. No big deal I guess.

[JoeW]

Your joke is shit. You can't say things like that out in public. It's not OK.

That's the point. We aren't "in public". This is just a tight group of people that I thought could make jokes about expensive orange outfits.

Again...not true apparently.

[FaultyMario]

Ok, go to the blackest part of Tampa and say that joke to the first group of men you find. I'm sure they're going to find it Hi-larious.

[FaultyMario]

That's the point. We aren't "in public". This is just a tight group of people that I thought could make jokes about expensive orange outfits.

Again...not true.

That's the problem, some of us in this tight group are not comfortable with making fun of racialized people. It's 2022, not 1992.

[JoeW]

Oh boy. You are all the way in it aren’t you?

If you are truly going to get past this racism then you will need to eventually treat everyone as equals. The high fashion orange jumpsuit transcends race. If it were on a white guy would it work better for you? If so then you are the one with the issues. In a world where we see past race then it doesn’t matter who is wearing it. You are adding so much context to support your opinions that I am a racist where there really shouldn’t be any.

Like I said, your opinion of me isn’t important to me. But continuing to add context and plot lines to support your rhetoric is getting old.

If you don’t like a joke or can’t see it in it’s simplest terms without adding racist overtones then just say you don’t like the joke. But don’t add false information and try to broadcast it as fact.

[FaultyMario]

The high fashion orange jumpsuit transcends race. If it were on a white guy would it work better for you? If so then you are the one with the issues. In a world where we see past race then it doesn’t matter who is wearing it.

I don't understand the implication.

Here's a gallery of drivers in high fashion (https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/03/netflix-drive-to-survive-and-the-new-cult-of-f1-fandom). Hell, there's one of Ricciardo in a monotone jumpsuit. Want try your hand at comedy again?
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/6228f8d5045bf1a0f54e59f5/master/w_1600,c_limit/042022_F1_embed04.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Dude, just admit it, it was a stupid joke with racial undertones. You can't put "only black driver on the grid" and "prison" in the same sentence and then blame people for making the association. What was the punchline, the money it costs? Come on, own it up.

[JoeW]

If this conversation were moved somewhere else it would be getting no traction at all.

Let’s just move on.

Being a liberal, tree hugging, animal loving, trump hating, eco friendly, recycling racist is hard work.

Just for your brief information. In my very very small youth sports photography company we have 7 regular people who help us on photo days. Since you are so concerned about race here is our demographic breakdown.

1 black female
2 black males
1 Hispanic female
1 white male
1 white female

They have been helping us for years and are all 30’s and under. We have had some in depth conversations in our downtime and we all think similarly and can see past race and just communicate honestly without inserting context. We have laughs, discuss music, movies, current events etc.

And they aren’t even “employees”. Just friends that choose to come and help out on weekend photo days. So it’s just an extra cash on the side thing. They all have decent regular jobs and don’t really “need” the money. But they enjoy our companionship and vice versa.

If real life people from various walks of life thought I was racist then they would not come back over the years. That’s my validation.

You do you man.

Edited due to over sharing.

[FaultyMario]

I said microaggressions are often unintentional. It's us playing by a racist society's rules without even knowing, without wanting.

[JoeW]

Just saw your post. A pink jumpsuit has no link to anything. Orange is specifically why the joke was made.

You have been the aggressive one here all along. Micro and macro. You must be so much fun at a comedy club.

Listen I’m kinda done trying to make any headway here. I am who I am, you obviously don’t know me but are bound and determined to make it up. So good luck to you sir.

[dodint]

Pink or orange they both look like clowns.

No word yet if it is a prison clown.

[JoeW]

Nvm… tired of over sharing my life to strangers.

[Kchrpm]

Just being someone is not racist does not mean that they are not guilty of microaggressions. Everyone is. Our society makes them so easy and normal. They key is to think about them and whether or not, whether they were intended as such, they could be taken as a microaggression.

Regardless of whether or not an outfit looks like a prison outfit or not, attaching prison to the only black person in a grouping can be taken as a microaggression. That does not make you racist. Just means it's something you might want to word differently or not say at all.

[Crazed_Insanity]

For the record, pink makes Ricciardo look very gay. He is in fact probably the gayest F1 driver ever with such infectious grin.

[JoeW]

Because it “can be taken” as one doesn’t necessarily make it a micro-aggression either.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Just being someone is not racist does not mean that they are not guilty of microaggressions. Everyone is. Our society makes them so easy and normal. They key is to think about them and whether or not, whether they were intended as such, they could be taken as a microaggression.

Regardless of whether or not an outfit looks like a prison outfit or not, attaching prison to the only black person in a grouping can be taken as a microaggression. That does not make you racist. Just means it's something you might want to word differently or not say at all.

What about the Haas/Russian incident?

It’s also JoeW who needs to watch his tongue and Mario had zero aggression?

Guys, this is not the way to fight racism. Nobody likes a right wing Karen and I hope Mario won’t go down in history as the left wing equivalent. I think Mario’s just unfairly taking it out on Joe.

It’s clear JoeW doesn’t fancy HAM as a person. Skin color for sure has nothing to do with it. I really see this as unnecessary calling out. If it’s not funny, you don’t need to chew somebody out about it. This is not just an isolated incident.

If this so called ‘tight knit’ community really dislike so much ‘diversity’, maybe it is time for some of us to leave.

After all these years, you still don’t understand some of the gtxfers? Com’on guys.

[FaultyMario]

Shut up, billi.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I said microaggressions are often unintentional. It's us playing by a racist society's rules without even knowing, without wanting.

After I unintentionally hurt somebody, I’d still apologize and not just brush it off as nothing.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Shut up, billi.

I feel the need to call shit out my friend.

That doesn’t feel very good, huh?

I’m not tight with anybody here. Just saying it as I see it.

I’ll shut up now.