craigslist finds

[speedpimp]

Because hair stylists have to get their hoon on too?

[speedpimp]

Not from CL but from Country Car Classics (http://countryclassiccars.com/browse-inventory/) in Illinois. Here is a smattering of their offerings.
'85 Chrysler New Yorker pickup. (http://countryclassiccars.com/chrysler-5th-ave-1985/vehicle-details/?vin=J7NC566AYSVSEAPUC)
Rambler 770 pickup. (http://countryclassiccars.com/amc-rambler-1966/vehicle-details/?vin=WT78ANKQPYPDEAKEJ#prettyPhoto)
'65 Dodge Dart CUSTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://countryclassiccars.com/dodge-dart-1965/vehicle-details/?vin=S3UZ39QMZUDZSPLCX)
'79 GMC Caballero factory V8-4 spd. (http://countryclassiccars.com/gmc-truck-1979/vehicle-details/?vin=Call%20for%20vin%2010125#prettyPhoto)
'80 El Camino V6-3 spd. (http://countryclassiccars.com/chevy-truck-1980/vehicle-details/?vin=Call%20for%20Vin10191#prettyPhoto)

[George]

"Cash Only" :|

I'm sorry, but I am not going to carry $10000-$13500 in cash to go buy a car.

I would, if I could ever manage to accumulate that much cash in one place at one time.


Not from CL but from Country Car Classics in Illinois. Here is a smattering of their offerings...

I'd say we need a Country Car Classics thread to run concurrently with the craigslist thread, if their offerings are that amazing. :up:


'65 Dodge Dart CUSTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://countryclassiccars.com/dodge-dart-1965/vehicle-details/?vin=S3UZ39QMZUDZSPLCX#prettyPhoto)

Wow. That really, really looks like something from the first (is there any other?) Mad Max movie. Awesome!

I wasn't able to copy any of the image locations to post them here, except this tiny one. What a shame. To those who haven't visited that link yet: go now, before the car is sold (or destroyed by a gang riding '70s Japanese motorcycles).

I think the seat covers are what push it over the edge into definite Mad Max territory.

http://countryclassiccars.com/image/cars/thumb/2014.09.12_83223.jpg

[Godson]

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5749987947.html

Yeah. This is likely happening.

STX, here I come.

[speedpimp]

George, their inventory seems to have a slow turnover.

[KillerB]

1995 Alfa Romeo 164Q - 37k miles (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-alfa-romeo-164-quadrifoglio/)

[Phil_SS]

I saw that Alfa yesterday and I am very intrigued to see the selling price. I would love to bid on it.

[speedpimp]

Very sweet.

[thesameguy]

This is quite interesting:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5797011913.html

[Leon]

This is quite interesting:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5797011913.html

Missing information being Subaru what motor ... it isn't as though Subaru makes just one engine.

What if it's a Subaru "Justy" 1000cc motor :P

[thesameguy]

It's missing mountains of information - for the car in question it's funny the details are so sparse! I hope it's an EJ25 or something, but they probably just replaced one meh flat six with a more meh flat six. :lol:

[Godson]

Flat four...

[thesameguy]

Mitsubishi Jeep.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5785645516.html

http://my.fakingnews.firstpost.com/files/2015/07/mind-blown.jpg

[21Kid]

I never heard of a Mitsubishi Jeep before. Interesting.

[Kchrpm]

I thought it was an error by the person posting it, but nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_CJ#Mitsubishi_Jeep

[21Kid]

He wrote about it in the description too...


In 1953 Mitsubishi got the rights to build Willys and the Mitsubishi Jeep was born; manufactured from 1953 - 1998. In 1970 Mitsubishi upgraded the engine from 2.2L Diesel to 2.7L diesel motor and soon became popular for its legendary reliability and added power. In 1988 Mitsubishi started fitting their potent 4DR6 turbo direct injection engine (Compression ratio 17.5, 100 hp/153 ft/lb) to produce maximum power, torque and fuel efficiency of 15.5km/litre or 36.6 miles / US gallon. Turbo is a Mitsubishi Heavy Industries waste gate equipped TD04 type turbocharger. Good torque characteristics helps minimize or eliminate turbo lag. In addition cooling, lubrication system, combustion chamber and the like were modified to accommodate all the added power while keeping the reliability at its best. All this in a factory produced product.

[Kchrpm]

Who reads a craigslist ad?!

[thesameguy]

Well, I guess I do.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5804347329.html

This is very cool - cool enough that I called the number instead of completely disregarding the ad because it had no email address.

The ad seems nicely written. Dude who answered the phone spoke very broken English and could neither confirm nor deny anything in the ad. WTF?

It's a superb price and I think it will sell pretty quickly, but I'm very intrigued and hoping to go check it out on Saturday. We'll see!

[thesameguy]

Shiiii.... maybe I can go tomorrow. I gotta make a work trip to SJ anyway, why not do it tomorrow and then I can expense the gas for the inspection!

[thesameguy]

Yep, going tomorrow.

[Random]

I want to know what's up with the color: listed as "Bright Silver," and clearly white in the photos. :erm:

[thesameguy]

It does say "white" in the CL fields, but the text is clearly wrong. But, that list of features seems like something a VIN decoder would spit out, so maybe the decoder is wrong. I guess it's possible it's been repainted, too, but it seems unlikely you'd have a full color change repaint on any car, much less a clean title one.

Buuuut... The text also says "no 100k service so low price," but that makes little sense. It has 170k on it, and it's *pretty unlikely* the timing belt lasted double*. I assumed the reference was to the second 100k service, but that's a ways off still. No idea there. Then, the guy I spoke with on the phone confirmed (barely) it was a tow they lien sale'd to themselves and has only had it a year and it has no service history, so I don't know where the "no 100k service" came from.

There is a high possibility nothing is right about this car, but a $3900 CRD in California (they weren't sold here new) is too much for me to pass up. Well, that's not true - if I didn't have a reason to head to the bay area I probably would skip it, but there is enough coincidence here it's worth the time. ;)

* Fun fact about the CRD motors: They have breakaway rocker arms. If the timing belt breaks, the rockers are designed to fail to prevent piston:valve contact. If this happens, rather than pull the head, you just replace the rockers & lifters. Crazy!

[Random]

Funky.

[thesameguy]

Upon further investigation, the answer might be "rapey."

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5804347329.html

[thesameguy]

Or, maybe just "lie-ey" and "bad grasp of English-y."

The number on the ad belongs to ASAP Towing, which has a website and good Yelp reviews. The name he gives in the ad - Wali - is referenced on Yelp. Sounds like maybe a legit operation, just real bad Craigslisting. OY!

[JoshInKC]

Those CRD libertys were pretty damn nice. Test drove one for shits n giggles and almost got sold, even though I had exactly no intention of buying anything at all.

[thesameguy]

Hayward has proven to be non-rapey towards me, which is good. I'm still surprised about that.

Not even remotely surprising, however, the Jeep in question was not...good. There is the damage in the pictures on the right front. Front bumper has clearly been - admittedly lightly - hit as the paint is crazed. The interior is pretty darned dirty. The driver's seat bolster is dead. Most speakers are blown. Left rear window does not work. Tailgate lock doesn't work. The motor mounts or the transmission mounts or all of them are shot. CEL is on reporting "glow plug #1" and a MAF code I don't remember. Brakes are done for, tires are done for. AC does not work, apparently as a result of other work that was done and it was just never recharged.

Despite all of this, it drove pretty well. Transmission was spot on, engine is responsive and has good power. I made a quick call to my buddy Mark at the Jeep dismantlers in Sac with The List - bumper, flare, seat, regulator, tailgate lock - and then visited rockauto and a specialty site for the mechanical stuff - MAF, glow plugs, mounts, brakes. The former represents a remarkably low $600, the latter another six bills. $600 for tires, assume the AC issue really is just a recharge. I think that sorts it. $1800. Ouch.

In "good running condition" the CRDs seem to fetch $6k-$8k depending on miles and such. He wanted $3.9k "in light of its needs." I shouldn't have, but I hit him with $2800 just because it started and ran well - a non-crippling amount of money if he agreed, but a number low enough he probably wouldn't and I could at least say I tried. That ended our conversation, he pointed out the 12v outlets in back and the brand new $200 alternator. "Yeah," I said, "but $2800 + $1800 + my time pushes this to the $6k mark and at that point I could just buy something ready to go*. Thanks for your time, though!"

I was back to the Fiero when he shouted, "$3,000 and my guy Juan will get it smogged." I pointed out the CEL. "It's no problem."

So, yeah, I agreed to buy it. ;) Doing my work in SJ and will pick it up this evening. It was probably a big mistake, but at $3k it wouldn't be a world-ending one, and I can almost certainly get my money back out. Really, if I put in the $1800 worth of work, it should be better than $6k CRDs at that point - new stuff sells cars. ;) If I do get there, I very well might enjoy it for a bit then flip it for a profit. As such, I will probably keep my eyes open for another AWD/4WD something, and keep the CRD as a fallback.

Here's to hoping it makes the 100 mile drive back to Sac without kersploding! Hmmm... I guess I could just AAA it, too. Might as well use that for something.

[Godson]

:lol: Sounds like a good mistake to me. This has the possibility to be an awesome deal or a dumpster fire worthy of Bertha's mention.

[Kchrpm]

I enjoy how similar yet different we GTXFers are :)

[speedpimp]

Hopefully this isn't Ford Motor In a Volvo The Sequel.

[Godson]

Lol. Not likely

[thesameguy]

It is a VM Motori motor in a Chrysler, though. ;)

The CRD did about 150 miles today, including an hour or so in bumper to bumper traffic. Zero issues, zero signs of issues. RAD!

[Godson]

https://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/5824342861.html

Currently playing with the idea of this, or a 350z.

Both are in similar price range, one is decidedly nicer.

[novicius]

The 350Z is the better car but that is one *fine* C4. :up: :up:

[dodint]

Much like Keith, I hate everything before the C7.

j/k, I'll take a C2 if I *have* to. ;)

[21Kid]

I'd even take a C1. :D

[thesameguy]

For a track car I don't think I'd consider anything before a C5. Between C4 and Z, Z every time. C5, things start to get muddy.

[Godson]

Or....for a similar price for suspension and track build, ffr 818

[Kchrpm]

http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

Winner winner chicken dinner :up:

[thesameguy]

Oh man, don't get me started on that thing. I keep turning it over in my head. Want. So. Bad.

[thesameguy]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?19881-Inexpensive-ready-to-enjoy-818-for-sale

If something like this were to be available in a few months... I might have to.

[Godson]

Oh man, don't get me started on that thing. I keep turning it over in my head. Want. So. Bad.

I have found SOLID salvage vehicles for under 2000 for a donor... Total kit could be built for well under 15 if you do the Vert. If you bare bones it, 13000.

[Godson]

That's a first gen body design. I'd pass on it.

[George]

Haven't looked at the Denver CL for a while. Let's see what's out there today.

1972 Corvette LT1 with air - $59000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5830751762.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_dHHMOHqTPNB_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00J0J_12SAy5GZo4H_600x450.jpg

Chrysler Imperial 1975 45K Miles Rare - $19500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5823734235.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00x0x_fYF9V0Z8IaS_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00c0c_jZjI8Q8GTnT_600x450.jpg

1965 Rare Mopar Dodge Dart GT V-8 Convertible - $20000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5818244170.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00404_3V3oX1DMpbn_600x450.jpg

1982 Honda Prelude RARE - $1000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5817719778.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_drGuH84grfs_600x450.jpg

first generation toyota cressida RARE - $6000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5807259382.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00r0r_2naaFEVw4vF_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_3Gk96aK1Ewd_600x450.jpg

Rare 1969 Buick Sport Wagon 39K miles (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5801627901.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00J0J_7JTVlcRXd4D_600x450.jpg

1976 road runner rare 4 speed - $10000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5805830249.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00e0e_cADfjUpEnOA_600x450.jpg

1984 Volvo 240 Wagon manual transmission - $7500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5810816604.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_9tu7LCgVPEd_600x450.jpg

1956 Ford Wagon Gasser Must See!! (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5815416820.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00P0P_beEfS0ppSao_600x450.jpg

1969 Pontiac Catalina Station wagon 4-speed manual - $15000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5799792400.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00404_33oGmxegZ3X_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00m0m_6bissIhyk66_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_ekL3AbdK12p_600x450.jpg

1976 Chevrolet Vega w/327 & 4-speed manual - $9500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5786420797.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00Z0Z_49dzErJKFt0_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00z0z_7MhPZi1JszK_600x450.jpg

1969 Olsmobile 442 factory 4 speed - $24500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5801209596.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_c25BaNf3cuw_600x450.jpg

1958 Cadillac hearse limo - $20000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5830532987.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00w0w_NOxqnEEeXD_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00B0B_5uF5bobaQrZ_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00101_4IajLSEcrTs_600x450.jpg

1969 Cadillac Limo - $9500 (http://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/5825057593.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_k0DBe4zb0KC_600x450.jpg

1981 G-30 1 Ton 4x4 Chevy Van with 4BT Cummins Conversion - $14900 (http://rockies.craigslist.org/cto/5830700651.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00P0P_gmu7mHfu6jY_600x450.jpg

1967 Mustang 4X4 - $18500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5783122334.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00I0I_crmCJY3dalj_600x450.jpg

1976 NISSAN SKYLINE KENMARI!! - $60000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5804653806.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00o0o_bBGAntSltjI_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_j5PBqTnWuiJ_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_7VbkpmFJKj9_600x450.jpg

[thesameguy]

Man, I was pretty excited about that Catalina wagon, but the Skyline is fantastic, top to bottom!

[George]

I don't think I've ever seen anything like that Skyline before. Paint it black and it would kind of give off that Mad Max vibe, at least if you squint a little at the third picture above.

Just edited to add the 4x4 Mustang, because, I mean, everyone needs one of those, right?

[Godson]

I keep looking at these salvage options.

http://www.salvagebid.com/317660503-2005-subaru-impreza/

http://www.salvagebid.com/558544157-2003-subaru-impreza/


ugh

[dodint]

I keep looking at these salvage options.

ugh

Try these:

https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?itemID=23221376&RowNumber=46&loadRecent=True

https://www.iaai.com/Vehicles/VehicleDetails.aspx?itemID=23221369&RowNumber=0&loadRecent=True

They belonged to the same owner, the second was a Concours car.

[thesameguy]

Oof. "Total burn."

[Godson]

I'm looking at them for donor cars....

[speedpimp]

Beetle-based conversion. (http://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/5826581703.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_byAC6GCbHNf_600x450.jpg

[dodint]

Oof. "Total burn."

House fire, which is why they're burnt from the outside in. Real shame.

[speedpimp]

'84 Escort 22k miles (https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/5827883359.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/01111_akFOnn30Tvh_600x450.jpg

'84 Celebrity STICK! (http://desmoines.craigslist.org/cto/5816160415.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/00J0J_gf66Ugs6245_600x450.jpghttps://images.craigslist.org/00d0d_j5cAfSMpLeR_600x450.jpg

[thesameguy]

Not gonna lie, I'd rock that Celebrity! Too bad it's not a Eurosport or it'd be perfect!

[thesameguy]

Saw this last night - I'll throw it on the pile!

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5797777138.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00K0K_kTuYOlPJ0c6_600x450.jpg

[Random]

1976 NISSAN SKYLINE KENMARI!! - $60000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5804653806.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00o0o_bBGAntSltjI_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_j5PBqTnWuiJ_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_7VbkpmFJKj9_600x450.jpg

"The C110 Skyline was better known as the "Ken & Mary" or "Kenmeri" (ケンメリ) Skyline, stemming from the advertisement campaign in Japan at the time which featured a young couple (Ken and Mary) who relaxed and enjoyed the countryside in Ken and Mary's Skyline (ケンとメリーのスカイライン). The ads were highly successful and perhaps as a result the C110 was sold in very large numbers in Japan. "

That's pretty neat. :cool:

[Yeti]

Not on craigslist, but:

http://www.jdmautoimports.com/uploads/4/8/7/2/48720289/1979-nissan-s110-silvia-jdm-auto-imports-llc-6_orig.png

http://www.jdmautoimports.com/1979-nissan-s110-silvia.html

That is some delicious late 70s Nissan cheese. If I wasn't saving for a house I'd be finding out the asking price on this one.

[thesameguy]

I never really cared for those, but I won't lie, that thing looks damn good!

[Yeti]

My irrational RWD Nissan love is firmly centered on the S12 generation of Silvia/200sx, but this thing is too cool. That upholstery.

[Phil_SS]

That is awesome. :up:

Though I'm not sure I could live with RHD. And that is my inherent issue with JPN cars.

[Yeti]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to navigate Pittsburgh or Chicago in a RHD car.

But, I live in the comparitive middle of nowhere without much traffic so I'm going to go for it at some point :D

[Godson]

And now I am back to looking at 350z's.


:/

[thesameguy]

Although the Z is not my cup of tea, it's hard to argue with what it brings to the table. Which is pretty much everything shy of a back seat - and who needs that?

[Godson]

Currently thinking (in no order). z, cheap boxster/911, or 818.

[George]

...a back seat - and who needs that?

*shuffles slowly and sadly out of thread*

[novicius]

:lol:

Yeah I'm sticking with Mustangs for the foreseeable future. #backseat4lyfe

[KillerB]

So loving never needing a back seat again!

[Godson]

https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/5824198580.html

Ugh...

[novicius]

Much like Keith, I hate everything before the C7.

j/k, I'll take a C2 if I *have* to. ;)
One cannot buy a new Corvette without also inheriting all of the cultural baggage that is the worst aspects of Corvettes & their owners, no matter how expensive and fast it is. :lol: #in4apenny #in4apound

[Kchrpm]

Have you driven your Mustang into a crowd yet?

[novicius]

Daily! :lol:

Make no mistake, *I* am the stereotypical middle-aged Corvette owner. I would happily buy/own/drive a C4. I'm not putting it down or trying to elevate myself over it.

I'm just saying that when you get your Grand Sport, people will see me. ;) ♡ :lol:

[thesameguy]

I wonder if the C7 will escape that fate. Brand New Corvettes manage to escape the stigma, but as they age and resale value falls you slip into this douchey place - just like Mustangs and Camaros. You have a few good years of owning a nice, fairly expensive car but so far if you keep it, your fate is sealed. I passed an older guy driving a mint C5 this morning in the 300,000 mile 30-year old Ford and thought, "Glad I'm not that guy!" But I think GM went to great lengths to make the C7 pretty special and with rumors of the C8 & Zora maybe they will succeed. Kinda like with the CTS-V - the first gen cars aren't worth shit, but Cadillac prices soared and the second gen cars are seriously holding their value. They are keeping up with M5s! I think keeping the resale prices up will keep Certain Elements from owning and ruining the car's image. If I saw a Cobra R on the road I would be damned impressed. But an SVT Cobra? Meh. Anyone can have one of those.

[novicius]

Yep, value is definitely going to be an issue for the gold medallion set.

Searching Autotrader.com nationwide, looks like there is at *least* a $12K jump from a 2013 C6 to a 2014 C7. Probably more like $15K since both cheap examples I found were together in Florida. :lol:

[thesameguy]

Florida probably does get an exception, as I think the gold medallion comes with the car there.

[speedpimp]

Cheap Boxster/911? BULL FUCKING SHIT! What you really need is a custom 914 (https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/auction/porsche/914/1876400.html).

[Godson]

Here couldn't even put the gauges in level.

Fucking hack.

[speedpimp]

It's not hack, it's custom, bruh.

[novicius]

If I saw a Cobra R on the road I would be damned impressed. But an SVT Cobra? Meh. Anyone can have one of those.
...and yet there's nothing special about the Cobra R except maybe the heads, and even their flow numbers were exceeded by later 4v Cobra heads.

There is absolutely no markings or stampings on a cast iron Cobra R block that sets it apart from a standard 5.4L truck block. ;) #justsayin

EDIT: Wait-wait, the only special one-of-a-kind element about the Cobra R is the intake mani! :D Not special from a performance aspect, it just looks cool.

Also, I love this car, warts and all. :cool:

[CudaMan]

http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/5816645446.html
"Does it leak any oil?"

http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/5824042628.html
"How about this one?"

[thesameguy]

Hard to say, but IIRC a triple positive is a negative.

[thesameguy]

I guess I blew it with the Jeep. This would have been a way better cute ute to pick up.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5828297621.html

[thesameguy]

This is utterly unpossible.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5852631034.html

It just doesn't make sense.

[Godson]

Buy it!!!!!!

[thesameguy]

The missing title scares me a little. This exactly the type of car to be stolen & sold. I wonder if there is a way to check the VIN for theft?

[Godson]

Ca DMV?

[Godson]

2007

:lol:

What do I win?

[thesameguy]

I dunno, but if it's a magnifying glass I hope you pass it around.

[Random]

Needs a picture of Kelly.

[21Kid]

Sounds like you win a BJ

[thesameguy]

I thought there was a BaT thread and couldn't find it, so I'm posting this here:

http://bringatrailer.com/

Paul Perry is shutting down the Swedish Auto Factory in San Jose (*sniff*) and auctioning off his private cars on BaT. I have gotta watch these, as if ever there was a source for a vintage Saab it'd be Paul. At odds with myself, because as much as I'd like to see these cars go for a fortune to benefit him, I'd sure like them to get no attention to benefit me. :)

Specifically, I'd really like to score this:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-saab-96-2/

[speedpimp]

That 96 puts the sex in sexy.

[thesameguy]

I really want it. If it was a wagon I would pay serious dollars for it because it'd be somewhat practical, but the coupe is still mighty fine. I have no idea what to expect from the bidding, but I think working for me is that there are two nice Sonetts and a 93F in the mix it may get less attention than it would by itself. I have seen some really nice 96s get ten grand but most are in the 4-6k range. I can swing that, no way I can do ten and still sleep at night.

[dodint]

BaT was cool before it became hipster eBay Motors. Tough weeding through the E30 M3/Porsche 944 BaT Auction of the Day to get to the oddball stuff that made the site interesting in the first place.

[thesameguy]

I like hipster ebay motors and I think you may be exaggerating. The landing page has one Porsche and a Hillman Minx, auctions ending today are

1967 Volvo 123GT
1967 Austin Healey 3000 BJ8
2006 Porsche 911 Carrera S Coupe
1969 Saab Model 95 Wagon
1969 Seat 600 D
1966 Maserati Sebring 3500 GTi Series II
1962 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible 4-Speed
1990 Toyota Master Ace Surf
1958 Mercedes-Benz 220S Ponton
2015 Saleen S302 Mustang GT 6-Speed
1988 Caterham Super 7
2001-BMW-540i-41
2001 BMW 540i 6-Speed
1976 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GT

Seems fair.

[dodint]

Well, I'm comparing pre-auction BaT to auction BaT. But your list is very nice. A fine selection of E39s.

[thesameguy]

The good thing about BaT seriously monetizing itself is along with every Tom, Dick, and Harry selling their BMW you get people with serious collector-grade cars turning to BaT. Back in the day you'd see plenty of '80s Toyotas but never a '66 Maserati or '58 Ponton. BaT having a reputation for enthusiast cars means a little more dreck to sort through, but some really nice gems as well. I doubt pre-auction BaT would have attracted a 5 Saab collection. Really, I can't see why you're complaining about two E39s considering you have three Nazimobiles in your driveway right now. At least E39s were still good BMWs. :finger:

[dodint]

I love the E39. And I like BaT. I just suggest using an RSS reader to browse it instead of navigating the site manually. It's not as good of an experience as it was before, for me. Both in the quality of the listings and the user experience.

I guess the simplest way to state it is that pre-auction BaT was curated with an enthusiast/novelty mindset. Now it's curated to make money by directing traffic to itself so its own auctions can get maximum exposure. It's a subtle but fundamental shift that has alienated some users.

It's great that you enjoy it. I just don't enjoy it as much as I used to. I'm not alone, even in this community, so I feel it's a rational opinion.

[thesameguy]

Maybe. Just maybe.

[Random]

Paul Perry is shutting down the Swedish Auto Factory in San Jose (*sniff*) and auctioning off his private cars on BaT. I have gotta watch these, as if ever there was a source for a vintage Saab it'd be Paul. At odds with myself, because as much as I'd like to see these cars go for a fortune to benefit him, I'd sure like them to get no attention to benefit me. :)

Specifically, I'd really like to score this:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-saab-96-2/

That and the race car would make a nice set... :devil:

[thesameguy]

The race car drew me in first, but I really don't want to be in charge of a 2-stroke automobile if I don't have to. ;)

Won't rule it out, though. ;)

[George]

1971 Plymouth Road Runner Wagon (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5857095360.html)

Yes, yes. The decals are fake. So what? The wagon itself is awesome!

https://images.craigslist.org/00T0T_8RCZSKY46vG_600x450.jpg

'74 International Travelall - $16000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5860344345.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00a0a_ip9lRuIKlNU_600x450.jpg

[CudaMan]

Who wants a clean MR2 Turbo?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5811967627.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_7EkKC1ksATd_600x450.jpg

[Godson]

Great looking car

[novicius]

Beauty!

[21Kid]

:drool:

...
- Aggressive Performance - maintenance work ($900)
- Aggressive Performance - maintenance work ($1,850)

:? that's a lot of "maintenance"

[thesameguy]

At $120/hr it's not that much work, unfortunately. :(

[21Kid]

23 hours...
For such a nice car, that seems like a lot to me. Unless he's including all of the stuff he added to the car as "maintenance". :shrug:

Perfect for Hawaii. :cool:
1975 VW westfalia surf bus (http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/cto/5865980613.html).
https://images.craigslist.org/00r0r_9ZTcWAVtxqD_600x450.jpg

[CudaMan]

It may seem like a lot of money for a 25 year old car but most of the ones you find for sale these days are various degrees of questionable.

I paid quite a bit more for mine 10 years ago (wow...). Worth every penny and then some.

Aggressive Performance is probably the best MR2-specializing shop in the state, if not a greater area.

Just doing a PSA for what seems like a solid car. :)

[Random]

23 hours...
For such a nice car, that seems like a lot to me. Unless he's including all of the stuff he added to the car as "maintenance". :shrug:


The every-40k-miles "Inspection II" on an E36 BMW runs $1000+ pretty easily at a reputable shop. Heck, just the parts for Insp-II are somewhere around $500, IIRC.

Just sayin'. :)

[Godson]

The every-40k-miles "Inspection II" on an E36 BMW runs $1000+ pretty easily at a reputable shop. Heck, just the parts for Insp-II are somewhere around $500, IIRC.

Just sayin'. :)

That's not including the shit that breaks on It's own!

[KillerB]

Who wants a clean MR2 Turbo?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5811967627.html
https://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_7EkKC1ksATd_600x450.jpg

must... resist...

[21Kid]

The every-40k-miles "Inspection II" on an E36 BMW runs $1000+ pretty easily at a reputable shop. Heck, just the parts for Insp-II are somewhere around $500, IIRC.

Just sayin'. :)Oh... Damn. Goes to show I've never owned a reputable car, that required such service. :lol:

[thesameguy]

Why do you think I keep buying old cars? ;)

[21Kid]

:lol:

[CudaMan]

must... resist...
One of these days you just gotta do it. :)

[speedpimp]

'91 Geo Metro Panel Van (http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/5847612049.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/00u0u_dq8ADQk7MnV_600x450.jpg

'86 GMC Rally Van diesel/4 spd (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/5832717585.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/00s0s_8eRkbF6RcDj_600x450.jpg https://images.craigslist.org/00E0E_7o8pXwZX8PF_600x450.jpg

[thesameguy]

Full Size Van is on my bucket list still. :up:

Depending on how the Liberty turns out, I am thinking about selling the Surburban. Maybe I'll have to get a swanky van to take its place. Sounds FUN.

[novicius]

Dajiban!! :D :up:

[thesameguy]

YUP. Or maybe an IH Metro or a supercharged Previa. idk.

[CudaMan]

Posting that red MR2T has really rekindled my desire to have another one for playtime fun. T-tops, quick-spooling 300-400hp, sitting a bit lower than stock with decent wheels, reasonably clean but not so perfect it'd be another garage queen like the one I already have.

I know, keep dreaming. How much more impractical could I get. Not like I have the space for one.

But there's nothing else like them, and since I'll probably never be able to afford that MKIV Supra this is the next best thing. They're still inexpensive and it takes more work now but you can still find good ones.

[thesameguy]

I like that you said "quick spooling 300-400hp" in the context of a port-injected two liter four cylinder.

:P

[thesameguy]

Well, this is madness.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5844709267.html

[CudaMan]

Well, quicker spooling than stock. Dunno if you've driven a stock one, but they can totally be improved. The later version of the engine (Gen3? Gen4? I forget) is a yuuuge difference.

[thesameguy]

Oh, yeah, I'd imagine so. They were still trying to figure things out in the '90s. ;) The 3SGTE ran through, what, the early 2000s? Gotta believe some improvements were made there in terms of turbo sizing & tech, static CR, and engine management. Not that all of that would translate to an MR2, but probably a lot of it. I suspect that 300hp wouldn't be a big deal, but 400hp is a significant step - that's going to be a lot of boost, a big compressor to make it, and the lag that goes with it. Even really modern, but pre-DI two liter engines struggle to hit 400 boosted horsepower without a lot of lag unless you're blessed with a 9000rpm redline or something. ;)

[CudaMan]

For sure. I don't know enough about them to know what's possible with various budget levels and depth of modification, I just threw a fantasy number out there since I was dreaming. ;) There is definitely progress to be made with more modern turbos, CR, engine management and so on. I think you can even stroke them to 2.2L, should help a little.

250hp is cake with a few bolt ons, but then I might as well just do that to the car I have. :p

[thesameguy]

You should! USDM MR2ts are, what, 200hp? Guessing that's on Japanese-spec 8 or 10psi? Injectors or FPR, a little IC upgrade, maybe some exhaust and you can probably get close to 300hp without big fanfare. FUN WINTER PROJECT!

[CudaMan]

I know. That makes so much more sense. :lol: Other than not wanting to drive the car that much to make sure it stays nice, and not wanting to lower it on nice wheels in order to keep the underside nice too. Maybe this is my mid-life crisis creeping up early, wanting to re-live my formative automotive years with a red T-top MR2. ;)

Doing a bit of reading, stock fuel system will get you to 250-270rwhp. Change the turbo, go to ~16psi (up from 10.8), larger side mount intercooler, less restrictive B-pipe and cat-back, maybe an intake and you're pretty much set. Except for the weird old school ways you have to tune the car to get around the stock ECU's limitations. Not so easy as buying a cable and being able to flash 5 tunes onto your stock ECU and have dead nuts accurate AFRs like you can with a 350Z. :) Most of this should be easy enough to do under the radar of current Kahleefornistan rules.

Stock rating is 200 flywheel hp and torque. Mine dyno'd at 166rwhp and 179rwtq on a Dynapack years ago. Boost comes in a bit late... :)

http://www.pbase.com/bryanh/image/92555432/original.jpg

[thesameguy]

Being pre-95 you have good options... the intake and intercooler are totally legal, whatever you want to do. A turbo upgrade is not, but it's a rare day *any* smog tech could spot any sort of replacement turbo. It's been no issue for me. Fuel system upgrades could be pressure, pump, and/or injectors, and as long as you stay away from obviously aftermarket rising rate FPRs, it won't be an issue. Exhaust is rough - technically anything before the cat is not legal, but I've had some positive results in getting extralegal stuff through - namely, downpipes and cats. In 2016, the chances of a 22 year old smog tech having ever seen an MR2t is pretty minimal, so unless you've got something shiny it probably won't get a second look. ;) Having to work around the ECM is kind of a difficulty, but people did that for 20 years so it's just not that much of a roadblock. I don't know how MR2s work, but if I can run 200% boost on the SPG and XR4Ti - two totally different management systems - you can 150% the MR2. ;) You just have to do the legwork rather than letting the computer do it. NBD. :)

Pick up a good WB02 and an MBC and get going! :D

[CudaMan]

So if I happen upon a 1995 car I should avoid it? :)

There are turbo upgrades for this car that can't be identified externally. The trouble with the easy-button JDM CT20b turbo is they a have ceramic wheel (I forget if compressor or turbine side) and on top of being old and brittle now, aren't rebuildable. There is another option for upgrading the USDM CT26 for roughly equivalent power potential (they call it a CT27) but it doesn't spool like the 20b.

But, I've been out of the game long enough maybe there have been new advancements on Toy turbo mods. Like for example I just found a CT20b upgrade with a billet wheel and an inconel wheel. Iiiinteresting. :)

You know more than I do about these things, but I imagine doing it the 80s/90s way with fuel system mods won't give anywhere near the accuracy and flexibility of proper ECU tuning on a modern engine. Makes me wish for an updated 3SGTE with variable cam phasing, MAP sensor, higher CR, modern ECU, etc. But still a throttle cable. :D

Where does WBO2 come into the equation? I've only seen those used for dyno tuning on older cars. Usually stuck in the exhaust tip, not installed pre-cat.

[thesameguy]

Don't underestimate what you can accomplish by working around the ECM. I mean you probably won't get *quite* the drivability you'd get with a modern flash, but we're talking about much simpler computers that weren't that on top of their game to begin with - whatever might be missing just isn't that tangible. I can't speak for Toyota, but I've not run into an older car that doesn't have a fair amount of headroom to play with... things weren't as precise back then, and you can take advantage of the slop. Remember, all these systems did was cross-reference airflow to throttle position to make choices about fuel and maybe ignition. There's no cam timing or manifold volume to care about. If you add 20% airflow through a wastegate adjustment and 20% fuel through pressure or bigger injectors, what you've done is invisible to the ECM, it's still just looking up bins on a map. You only have to be sure you don't go so far you screw up the idle. Again, can't speak for the MR2, but in Saab/Volvo/XR-land, that's real far.

Ultimately, I'm sure people in Toyotaland have already beat whatever obstacles you might face, even if it comes down to '90s-style - um... oh yeah, like Apexi S-AFCs and such. But, 4psi should be *well* within the ability of the ECM to handle without any other adjustments. Pre-OBDII cars just weren't that precise to start with.

WBO2 is useful to see the result of your situation, to be sure you're not blowing up the engine. There is nothing to learn from the stock O2 sensor - well, that's an exaggeration, but they're so limited and WB so cheap there's just not a reason to do it. Back in the day it was a lot of guessing and listening real careful like (as if that works... :D) but with $100 WBO2 sensors you can eek a lot more out of your car with far, far less risk. I remember the first boost controller I ever tuned - it was this iterative tweak-drive & listen for knock-pray-tweak... Now you just datalog the WB and you know your limits. So nice. With one of the many kits out there you can run WBO2 full-time and monitor your exhaust while the WB controller emulates the narrow-band (stock) sensor for the ECM, so you get extra info with no install concerns. Really nice! I have an Innovate Motorsports WB for the XR, but I think I'm going to try one of the others on the SPG this winter.

[KillerB]

On a pre-OBDII car, how would they even know if you reflashed/replaced the ECU, if you keep the harness the same?

[thesameguy]

They wouldn't, but if you're asking what I think you are, the issue for most cars of this vintage is that they ROM rather than flash based, so you can't just reprogram them - you burn a new chip and install it. It's a lot more time consuming to tune a ROM based ECM. They do make piggyback computers for many older systems, but you still gotta find someone to work with it.

[CudaMan]

Yeah I think it's more common on older cars like that to "chip" them with a default set of new parameters that are universal for expected mods, rather than the new way which is to accurately tune each car individually on a dyno.

I know Toyota was very conservative with their tuning and safety nets on these cars. They're reported to run rich under boost and at high RPM. Fuel cut is 12psi. People figured out how to defeat that very quickly. :) I like the solution where you can raise it, rather than remove it completely.

I never knew a WB sensor kit existed that would simulate a NB sensor for the stock ECU. That's a great idea.

[thesameguy]

Moates has a thing called the Ostrich, which is a ROM emulator. It plugs into the ROM socket on the ECM, and then you can program it like flash. It works with a variety of ECMs, don't know specifically about the MR2. Even if the Ostrich isn't available, I'd be shocked if there wasn't some similar solution. I just can't imagine a Japanese turbo car escaping this type of parts availability. ;)

All those '80s and '90s turbo cars were overbuilt - emissions and economy requirements weren't what they are today, technology wasn't as good, and building in big safety nets is how you avoided warranty service. If you can easily defeat that 12psi cut, get a reputable MBC and a WBO2 and see what you've got, a few PSI at a time. I suspect the MR2 is similar to the SPG - a twin cam 2.0l with a modest fuel system, right-sized intercooler, and small turbo - which means you can probably add 4-8psi without anything else and essentially no risk. That'd be in contrast to the XR4Ti, which has a massive fuel system, a huge turbo, an indestructible iron motor, and no intercooler - going from stock 10psi to 18psi or 20psi pretty much entails just adding that intercooler in and you *still* have headroom. ;)

There are some pricey options for wideband, but I keep eyeballing this:

http://www.14point7.com/products/spartan-lambda-controller-2

$75 for a complete setup - you'd need to buy a gauge if you want to watch it, but you can log it on a computer and it has a narrowband channel to keep running the factory ECM. It's a why not upgrade. Every '80s and '90s car needs a new O2 sensor by now - $35 for a replacement or $75 for a WB upgrade? Not a discussion! :)

All the technology is in the sensor - the controller is just like a MOSFET driver and an IC - you just can't be actually buying better technology with more money. There isn't that much to play with. $75 for a Spartan or $200 for an Innovate just can't be justified in my mind. I will definitely be picking one up sometime in the next month or two, so I'll let you know how it goes.

[KillerB]

They wouldn't, but if you're asking what I think you are, the issue for most cars of this vintage is that they ROM rather than flash based, so you can't just reprogram them - you burn a new chip and install it. It's a lot more time consuming to tune a ROM based ECM. They do make piggyback computers for many older systems, but you still gotta find someone to work with it.

What about a Megasquirt (for instance) inside the case of a factory ECU?

[thesameguy]

Chances are you don't even need to camouflage it, because most factory ECUs (all?) are buried somewhere they'd never be subject to a visual inspection. There'd be no way to detect one - unless you got stopped by CHP for some reason and they decided to try and nail you for an equipment violation. It's happened to people I know, kinda sucks. Oh, and you'd have to replicate the function of the CEL.. like, it'd have to go on with the key and then turn itself off. Not hard to replicate electrically.

But, assuming you're not street racing in a lowered Integra and can wire a time-delay relay, Megasquirt wouldn't be a problem. My concern would be passing the sniffer test - all the CO/NOx tuning was done by the factory, and they knew when to change mixture or timing to fix an emissions problem. When you're tuning Megasquirt - especially in "auto" mode via A:F feedback - you don't know those values. Since optimal power and optimal emissions are rarely the same thing, you could definitely run into a problem there.

If you didn't disturb the original wiring - either by building into a factory ECM or using a harness adapter (see the Stinger PIMP) - then there's the possibility of just swapping the stock ECM in when the time is right. You could also potentially build two programs, one for emissions and one for performance. Or, maybe you luck out and good performance and good emissions are the same thing. But, factory tunes are WAY more complex than what MS offers, so I'm dubious of the average person's ability to actually make an MS'd car emissions compliant.

I keep revisiting this topic for the XR, because there are *so many* solutions for EEC-IV that would be big improvements. I'm just not sure that I need more from the car, so I'm not sure if the hassle would be worth it. But, I'm looking at a dual-tuned ECM for the SPG and just taking a risk with a Stinger PIMP for the XR... You know, because more.

[Godson]

Personal experience.

Stock ecu with a chip/piggyback, is the best option. MS is good but....it is merely a design exercise

[thesameguy]

I'd generally agree with that. Current MS is quite good, but if you dedicated the rest of your life to it you probably wouldn't have as many hours as the factory into it. However, sometimes you just can't do what you need to with the factory ECU - and then, well, you gotta do what you gotta do. ;)

[Godson]

...like datalog

[thesameguy]

Word.

Really, the biggest hangup for hacking the Saab's LH is not enough bins. It's fine for stock, but if you raise boost, upsize injectors, or raise a rev limiter (or all three) you run out of room for the minute adjustments you need. The XR's stock ECM is similar, but fortunately for the XR the next iteration of the ECM retrofits with little pain. The Saab's ECM was the last revision of Jetronic, it never got any better.

[KillerB]

If you've wanted an NSX, you know the prices just keep going up. This one seems like a steal at $35k (http://bringatrailer.com/2016/11/17/well-kept-35k-stocker-1991-acura-nsx/)

[KillerB]

1990 Toyota Century in the US (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Toyota-Other-CENTURY-EXECUTIVE-/142173403596?forcerrptr=true&hash=item211a31f9cc:g:EI8AAOSw44BYIQD2&item=142173403596)

[KillerB]

1985 Toyota Cressida - 9,000 miles - $6500 (http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/5883968764.html)

I wish I had a place to keep this!

[speedpimp]

Very sweet.

[thesameguy]

Too bad it's not a wagon, or I would have an excellent excuse for missing Thanksgiving.

[thesameguy]

This right here is the best Mustang ever.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5881530654.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00M0M_6JLjht3Hv9b_600x450.jpg

[Random]

Spooled rear end?!

[thesameguy]

I know! :lol:!

[speedpimp]

Swap in a normal rear and profit?

[novicius]

So much time wasted on a pointless mod. :lol:

[thesameguy]

It's not pointless if it's awesome. :angry:

[novicius]

On3 turbo kit + 2V 4.6L + 4R70W = :cool:

Cheapy-cheapy: bolt-on 2V 4.6L + Stage I cams + 100 shot = 400 RWHP :devil: #hasbeendone #ymmv


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUH8GMvrO6g

[George]

Rare Honda 70,000 Miles! - $5200 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5898759103.html)

Dude's smokin' Colorado's finest if he thinks this is worth $5K, but it's interesting (to me, anyway) to see one of these still around. I thought they had all rusted back to the Earth by now. My wife had one of these when I first met her. We sold it with 215,000 miles and she bought another Accord ten years newer. That started our Honda addiction, which has been an inexpensive habit, as cars go.

https://images.craigslist.org/00w0w_exHQCUuUlwd_600x450.jpg

Unimog RARE AND UNIQUE - $9999 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5888315337.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/01717_jx7kx8hqrIU_600x450.jpg

1978 Dodge Magnum XE Survivor - $4500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5898583339.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00r0r_aGGhkwrhTsT_600x450.jpg

1967 International Harvester Travelall 1100B - $3000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5896954067.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00u0u_k430OqcML3I_600x450.jpg

1968 AMC Rebel SST - $18000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5891607341.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00S0S_aaXmveyji9m_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00303_4eLK1AzS7ym_600x450.jpg

And if a 4x4 van with a mere four tires isn't enough...

1998 FORD E350 7.3 TURBO DIESEL QUIGLEY 4X4 DUALLY CONVERSION - $24900 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5876613366.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00T0T_6Mx5p6c6BNU_600x450.jpg

[speedpimp]

Nice shaggin' wagon.

[novicius]

Where's TSG?? :D

'96 Trollspeed 900SE (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-saab-900se-trollspeed-one-off-400whp-built-with-components-from-various-model-saabs-9000-9-5-9-3-ss-og9-3-ng900/).


Frank Stromqvist built and road tuned this engine personally. The attached dyno sheet shows a peak power figure of 393 horsepower at 5,600 rpm, though the seller notes that based on the strength of the build the engine can take substantially more air, fuel, and boost than it is presently. The Trollspeed-prepared Rallycross cars are based on the same powertrain and produce over 900 horsepower. Frank Stromqvist now builds and tunes vehicles for Andretti Motorsports, including cars used by Tanner Foust, Scott Speed, and Anton Marklund.
Somebody's here... somebody serious. :cool:

[Kchrpm]

Weren't you two JUST having a "slow car fast" discussion? :P

[novicius]

It's FWD, it's still slow! :lol: #dynoqueen

[thesameguy]

HWAT THE HSIT!

A '96 so it doesn't benefit from the '99+ suspension revisions, doesn't squeak by under the pre-OBDII exemptions, and doesn't qualify for the '00+ computer check only? '96-'99 cars are THE WORST to tune in California*. Why would Frank do this???

* Except maybe those '76~'80 cars where they hadn't quite gotten emissions equipment sorted out. Thermactors and wackadoo whathaveyous. Otherwise, '78 Magnum FTW!

[novicius]

Yep I loved my '78 Magnum back in college. It was YUGE. :hard:

[speedpimp]

Had a '77 Charger senior year. Used it to deliver pizzas. No power steering. Talk about having to crank it.

[KillerB]

Someone's got to have gotten a stock one of these through BAR, right? (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-nissan-skyline-gtr-2/)

[thesameguy]

Probably - now that the car itself is 25-year rule, I think the emissions work Motorex did covers the rest.

[balki]

nice, love the simple dash

[George]

1967 Dodge Charger Fast back, rare - $18500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5911431056.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_2UpVEvs359Z_600x450.jpg

RARE!! Quantity of 4 Honda Z600's all 1971 - $500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5898424866.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/01717_3MfaGZygx60_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00q0q_jJhrkDDQFUS_600x450.jpg

99 Ford Escort ZX2 Coupe! Only 103K miles! Runs Great Clean Carfax - $2400 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5911827764.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/01212_6PoZeSUCD1p_600x450.jpg

1977 Ferrari Dino True barn find ,California car - $27500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5911820031.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_aJ73zkppQIF_600x450.jpg

"FORD FAIRLANE 500 FOR SALE" (or trade for more shitty tattoos?) - $3500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5866224815.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00t0t_55qFu8duC5S_600x450.jpg

77 Caddy limo 4 x 4 - $4750 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5891772966.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/01010_kol1RAYWaKi_600x450.jpg

1966 Cadillac Calais Custom - $10500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5910538048.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00z0z_6Y8KR9FRSxP_600x450.jpg

1979 Chevy Nova Custom - $5500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5869355407.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00s0s_6H1jGBGq2Np_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00j0j_85nOElaez2_600x450.jpg

[dodint]

The 440 in that Charger gets like 8mpg. I wanted one in high school so bad.

[speedpimp]

'77 Jeep J10 Honcho (http://knoxville.craigslist.org/ctd/5912860484.html)
https://images.craigslist.org/00e0e_eaL5ppg1mel_600x450.jpg

[novicius]

Mike Honcho?

[speedpimp]

V8 Ford Festiva. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/222350300537?rmvSB=true)

[GB]

What the hell is this guy talking about?

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5927508751.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00Z0Z_hjvqJiMSJ6n_1200x900.jpg

4age??

Wonder if he'd like 2 z31 300zx's...

EDIT: Looking for something for my son.

[thesameguy]

The engine is a 4AGE, what you'd expect to find in there. :)

[GB]

Ah, I see. 4A-GE. :up:

[CudaMan]

That's what I paid for my first MR2, also red, back in 1999. #goodvalue

It won't "run and drive" without a timing belt, but maybe he just means it's due. Not a big job on these cars. I think I paid a shop $225 to do it after I got mine (I doubt that price hasn't changed :)).

[GB]

It won't "run and drive" without a timing belt, but maybe he just means it's due.

That's how I interpreted it. Maybe I'll go see it NEXT weekend, if it's still hanging about.

[thesameguy]

If the timing belt has already failed, 99% that motor is coming apart. I didn't get that was the scenario either.

[CudaMan]

I thought they were non-interference. Memory fail?

[thesameguy]

They are officially non-interferences, but that only accounts for piston to valve contact. There is still the hilarious valve-to-valve contact possibility. My buddy did that to his Corolla. :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/5936730001.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00505_1cxO8NWuJPS_600x450.jpg

Only $3.5M. because prototype? :lol:

[balki]

... valve-to-valve contact possibility...
what? how?

[speedpimp]

Custom made tow vehicle. (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5936988141.html) The sleeper would normally be seen on a Peterbilt.
https://images.craigslist.org/00W0W_95EGbdMWTdO_600x450.jpg

[thesameguy]

what? how?

On a dual cam motor if the intake and exhaust cams end up in the right spot you have both intake and exhaust valves open at the same time and they will hit each other. It depends on the head shape, valve lift, etc. Happened on a friend's Neon SRT many years ago, first time I'd ever heard of it.

[Leon]

I've seen a few non interference 4AGE's self destruct on cambelt failure. It's a real thing.

[dodint]

That sleeper looks like a supersized port-a-john, they need to paint it to match the rest.

[GB]

$600
https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5942083097.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00y0y_bFq1z5KttDn_600x450.jpg

[thesameguy]

Could be worse! With 230k on it he will definitely learn a bit about wrenching. Would highly recommend picking up a Chinese Tech2 to help with diagnosis & reprogramming and budget for at least one DI cassette replacement, but if you don't mind letting it slowly fall apart, it could be a pretty economical ride.

[GB]

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5936528684.html

https://images.craigslist.org/01212_lMNZcNCZudK_600x450.jpg

In$urance. Part$.

I can only imagine. I've always wanted one, though.

[GB]

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5937168136.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00303_kNU5hTssHoe_600x450.jpg


He would definitely be the only one at school with one of these.

[21Kid]

1st car - https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5930745764.html
01 camry - $2800

https://images.craigslist.org/00101_eCbe5IqNpqj_600x450.jpg

[novicius]

Yeah, FWD I4 + automatic + sedan, that's the cheapest way to roll. :up:

[dodint]

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5944369215.html

https://images.craigslist.org/01414_d774ifGqVlf_600x450.jpg

$1500, do it.

[thesameguy]

Yeah, FWD I4 + automatic + sedan, that's the cheapest way to roll. :up:

Agreed. though a 2-door might make sense to discourage driving 4-up, though maybe FL has laws like CA to prevent that.

Although I have always liked Intrepids, an old used one wouldn't be my choice. IMHO those V6s and autoboxes didn't age all that well, and I don't ever want to work on one again.

If you can find one, those '97/'98 FWD Volvos are a sturdy, safe ride that are insanely reliable and reasonably cheap to fix. You could also look at an Escort ZX2 (Zetec-powered Escort) or any early DOHC Focus - I'd avoid the SOHC/SPI motors like the plague.

Are you gonna allow/make him drive a manual?

[KillerB]

While I really like that MX-6 and would like to recommend it, they're quick cars - under 2,600 lbs and 165 hp, and no traction or stability control.

I'd think you'd want stability control for any car you put a kid in these days. If you don't care about that, though, a Miata makes a good car because they can't take more than one friend in it, and they're not very fast.

[thesameguy]

Man, that is strong advice.

I wonder what the cheapest thing that has stability control is... I'd wager an E39 5-series or W201E-class.

[Random]

Man, that is strong advice.

I wonder what the cheapest thing that has stability control is... I'd wager an E39 5-series or W201E-class.

May not have been standard across the entire range, but 96+ 3-series had it. They are damn cheap these days...

GMT900 Tahoes might be cheaper? Maybe don't want that as a first vehicle...though not ever being able to afford the gas would limit the number of miles that get driven. :D

[KillerB]

I'm pretty sure you could get stability control on mass market midsize and even compact cars by the mid-2000s.

http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle-Shoppers/Resources/Vehicles-with-ESC/

Miata was available with it starting in 2006 - best of all worlds. :D

[GB]

The cheap, mass produced sedans make sense if you think like a normal person. Unfortunately, I am quite abnormal.

1: I insist that his first car be a manual. He'll then always have that ability (as archaic as it may become), and keeps him more involved with driving (ie: less distracted).

2: He has inherited my passion for sports cars and road racing. He would like to start autocrossing and driving at HPDEs. I'm all for it.

3: He really, really, really wants a Miata. Again, I'm all for it. KBs point about fewer passengers is something that occurred to me long ago. Most of the tragic stories of teen wrecks involve a whole carload of kids, half unbelted. I've BTDT. And the Miata fits with his sporting intentions. I just can't find one that hits the sweet spot of "in good shape, but not perfect". They seem to be either complete basket cases for $1200, or pristine examples for 5-6k.

I am not in any rush... I'm not out actively test driving any of these... just going through the motions and "what ifs". Still hoping to find the right Miata (NA/NB 1.8, or super cheap NC.) But then I'd have to install another rollbar. So... the Cooper S has crossed my mind. Also hard to find an inexpensive one. Mazda 6s is a possibility (and how I found that MX-6). MR2. '02 Celica GTS. GTI.

You get the idea. Something soon will check all the boxes I'm mulling over, and get me out to actually see it and touch it.

For now he's driving my '07 9-3 Aero to school and back, and I'm in my Miata.

[novicius]

Not accepting an old BMW 3-Series? I'd bet that it'll be cheaper to maintain long-term than a MINI. ;)

[balki]

On a dual cam motor if the intake and exhaust cams end up in the right spot you have both intake and exhaust valves open at the same time and they will hit each other. It depends on the head shape, valve lift, etc. Happened on a friend's Neon SRT many years ago, first time I'd ever heard of it.
thanks, figured the valves just moved in 1 dimension ('vertical', not spacetime) and you only had to worry about the piston's crown.

[GB]

Not accepting an old BMW 3-Series? I'd bet that it'll be cheaper to maintain long-term than a MINI. ;)
Not completely ruled out. Very hard to find a manual around here.

[dodint]

Not accepting an old BMW 3-Series? I'd bet that it'll be cheaper to maintain long-term than a MINI. ;)

Having owned both...maybe.

I know a dealer in Omaha that has a stripped E36 w/manual they'll let go for $600. ;)

[novicius]

Pfft, you haven't owned a MINI yet. ;) #crossyourfingers

[Godson]

Having owned both...maybe.

I know a dealer in Omaha that has a stripped E36 w/manual they'll let go for $600. ;)

Dude. I would have payed your more than what they gave you.

[thesameguy]

Some of the cars you posted go back a bit in time - although I think KB's point about stability control is a strong one, if he's interested in learning and you're interested in legitimate teaching car control that's a big help that most kids don't have. You could look at MkIII VWs - a GLI or GTI 16v would be a solid choice. The Mini vs. 7th gen Celica conversation is a non-starter for me - Celica all the time, every time. I'd still strongly consider a Focus, and a manual ZX3 should be easy to find - it checks all the boxes there are to check. :)

[KillerB]

The NA Miatas are starting to appreciate. The sweet spot for value is an early NB.

If you want a Miata with stability control, you'll have to pony up for an early NC, though the price delta between a later NB and early NC is pretty small at this point. In fact, is eager some desirable NBs (especially the MSM) go for more than early NCs.

[KillerB]

What is the price range we are looking at, anyway?

[neanderthal]

Dude.

Can't go wrong with an early 80s 240D Mercedes. Built like a tank and won't get him in any kind of racing with anyone.

It's my ideal teenage driver car.

[JoshInKC]

+1

[thesameguy]

Not fast is cool, but new drivers don't need "can't merge" stress. It takes less time for a 240D to run a quarter mile than it takes for them to hit 60... nobody needs 59mph trap speeds in 2017. They are dangerous slow.

[KillerB]

Yeah, they're not really safe in a modern environment.

[JoshInKC]

yeah, they are stupid-slow. even worse were the '70s 200Ds. Those things were flat out dangerous to merge in the mid-1990s, when things weren't quite as quick as they as now. But they did have MB-Tex.

[TheBenior]

Perusing what I can find online, apparently an early 80s 240D had a 0-60 time ~5 seconds slower than my first car, a 1985 Honda Accord with 86 horsepower.

My Accord was not quick, and cars on average were considerably slower back in the late 1990s when I was driving it (4 cylinder Accords of today are as quick as the V6 Accords were then). I'd also probably throw the 240D into the 'dangerously slow' category.

[thesameguy]

When we met in high school, my best friend drove a '70s B210, which was not quick but made up for it by being hilariously unstable, noisy, and indestructible. He managed to destroy it, and inherited the family Peugeot 505 diesel which was, in fact, faster than a Datsun B210 and added sleeper sofa road manners and a particular smell to the mix. He also broke the Peugeot, so his parents got him an '83 Accord which was faster still, but still really slow and yet a massive step up in every conceivable way. (To be fair and clear, he didn't wreck these cars - he just broke them - lack of maintenance, etc.) Even today I would consider those cars all acceptable in terms of slow - but a 240D is a whole different world.

But, you could go and set him up with one of the five cylinder turbodiesels (like an S-class). They have passable performance, are super safe, oddly respectable, and would really help the lil nipper appreciate it when you toss him the keys to the Miata for an autocross.

[GB]

For KillerB:

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5945796473.html

[KillerB]

Nice! Probably wants crazy money though... and it's white! :thppt:

[KillerB]

1991 Toyota MR2 Turbo w/55,000 miles (http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-toyota-mr2-2/)

[thesameguy]

Something appears broken with BaT - got a bazillion SSL cert security warnings... probably an ad provider, but wtf.

[CudaMan]

6-step paint correction? I call BS or someone's detailer isn't up to date on product/technique.

Be interesting to see what it fetches. It's a less desirable year but low miles and clean isn't terribly easy to find anymore.

[dodint]

Dude. I would have payed your more than what they gave you.

The trade was part of a larger strategy, but yeah.

[GB]

The MX-6 price seems to drop every day. Down to $1300. That just might get me off the couch.

[dodint]

For conversations sake, are you saying the 3.5 in the Intrepid is unreliable or are you confusing it with the sludged 2.7?

[GB]

This doesn't look like fun at all.

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5934629477.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00909_aG5Q3DZ2yDl_600x450.jpg

[GB]

For conversations sake, are you saying the 3.5 in the Intrepid is unreliable or are you confusing it with the sludged 2.7?

To whom is this question posed?

[thesameguy]

For conversations sake, are you saying the 3.5 in the Intrepid is unreliable or are you confusing it with the sludged 2.7?

Me? I'm saying they are old motors, weren't stellar to begin with, and are a bitch and a half to work on. Really, Chrysler found new and exciting ways to make all those years of their products a royal PITA. I liked and still like the Intrepid as a package, but it's not something I'd invite into my home in 2017 - the vehicle is simply not worth what it takes to keep it running IMHO. There are a lot of cars like that - wonderful when under warranty or when there's an unlimited budget to pay someone else to do the work, but quickly less wonderful when it's your time and/or wallet. Considering the up-front cost of an Intrepid is about the same as an E39 six cylinder 5-series, I just can't see the reason to choose the Intrepid.

[thesameguy]

This doesn't look like fun at all.

https://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/5934629477.html


WTF does "read need ignition" mean?

If it runs and drives, that seems exactly like the thing you buy to support another 328i that needs nothing, but might someday. :lol:

Edit: Oh, I get it - he just likes to sprinkle "read" around. It needs an ignition switch. I'm sure the registration and title are in excellent, orderly condition. :smh:

[KillerB]

The MX-6 price seems to drop every day. Down to $1300. That just might get me off the couch.

I'd buy it at that price if I had the space. Being back east you can probably track down a replacement driver's seat, or just have an upholstery shop redo it - looks like the seat bottom foam needs to be replaced along with the leather.

[thesameguy]

Being in SoCal, you can just take all your upholstery work across the border and get a cheaper price on a better result than you're likely to get up here. :D

[KillerB]

Oh, for sure, but then you have to decide whether it's really worth the hassle for a couple hundred bucks, when Roberto's is so close! :lol:

[thesameguy]

Oh, it's definitely worth the hassle. Way better to make several small trips across the border than one big trip. Everyone knows that.

[dodint]

ffs

[KillerB]

:lol:

[Leon]

Ah, the old jokes just keep on giving :)

[Cam]

Oh, it's definitely worth the hassle. Way better to make several small trips across the border than one big trip. Everyone knows that.
A+ quality. :lol:

[speedpimp]

Heh.

[speedpimp]

'73 Dodge Murder Van, 318/3 on tree (https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2017/01/09/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1973-dodge-tradesman-100/?refer=news)

[novicius]

:up: :up:

I'd opt for a swap to a smallblock-bellhousing A727 automatic (and attendant steering column) of course. Originality is nice and all but that is never going to be some rare $100K gem.

[thesameguy]

Screw the A727, your cash should be funding a mobile water bed.

[KillerB]

That could definitely be easily turned into a cool camping rig and/or pull a small trailer.

[thesameguy]

That could definitely be easily turned into a cool shaggin wagon and pull chicks.

FTFY

[speedpimp]

Water bed, full shag interior(heh heh) and mural of Conan slaying a dragon.

[thesameguy]

HELLS YEAH!

[George]

1966 charger - $25500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5947699757.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00X0X_hbaiJGoQ5Vk_600x450.jpg

1985 Alfa Romeo GTV6 24V - $19 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5948731214.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_S9QhDvkuJ8_600x450.jpg

1973 Maserati SM Coupe - $5000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5945858605.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00R0R_eQT9eHMKBEh_600x450.jpg

1971 Volvo 144s!! - $6000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5898755453.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00y0y_e6G2xvVJwap_600x450.jpg

1980 AMC Eagle 40K miles - $7000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5948454486.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00E0E_e5LIT85Rlfp_600x450.jpg

WILLYS AERO 2 DOOR 1953 SEDAN ORIGINAL - CAN BE DRIVEN DAILY - $5956 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5946609983.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00606_8tMeaSMxDjj_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00H0H_fw9Wpl1PxoK_600x450.jpg

Garage kept 1969 Mercury Montego MX 302 V8 30k Original Miles - $6700 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5943342466.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00t0t_h873BwNMl9g_600x450.jpg

1963 Ford Falcon StationWagon - $13 (http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/5950414777.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_fm81ZIQWduy_600x450.jpg

MegaVan e350 4x4 7.3 powerstroke - $45000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5925765876.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00b0b_kbBccfnDEvm_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_10CueasLINN_600x450.jpg

1960 Oldsmobile fiesta wagon (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5947341753.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00707_1vY0aqJknla_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00101_7sKK6xZV5W_600x450.jpg

Mini Van - totally awesome! - $5900 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5924845115.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00R0R_77KZpNP7aDR_600x450.jpg

[novicius]

MON-TEE-GO! :rawk:

I borrowed a friend's '68 Montego coupe for a week when in college. Cool muscle coupe. :cool:

Prefer the '73-'76 Montego GT coupes, NASCAR David Pearson-style.

http://www.gt350h.com/pearson/73pearson.jpg

[George]

But wait, there's more!

1972 3 door custom chevy suburban - $39000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5949245296.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/01515_1GCeRVJpk5y_600x450.jpg

1969 T-Bird 429 Thunder Jet - $6500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5933502955.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00p0p_lHShMtWoolD_600x450.jpg

81 Toyota 4x4 Pickup "Tombraider" - $3500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5950394163.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00303_cNsv4BmvhNH_600x450.jpg

1987 Nissan R31 Skyline GTS-X RB25DET - $11000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5942553377.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00808_fjT2Tnb7d8H_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00l0l_9RfvqqU3Yyj_600x450.jpg

Not a '69 Cutlass, but I thought of pl8ster when I saw this...

1977 Chevrolet K20 4speed $$ / Trade - $7000 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5939533854.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00g0g_dHFNuEGvp9M_600x450.jpg

And, for the speed demons among us...

1981 Mercedes Benz 240D - $7500 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5937276144.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_aEiO3B86bxH_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/00u0u_irSh2bc0JK3_600x450.jpg

[George]

MON-TEE-GO! :rawk:

Prefer the '73-'76 Montego GT coupes, NASCAR David Pearson-style.

http://www.gt350h.com/pearson/73pearson.jpg

Yep! My uncle used to take me to stock car races in Vermont and New Hampshire during that time period. It thought it was great, but it ruined me for modern NASCAR with their purpose-built race cars that barely resemble the versions for sale to the public.

[Random]

MON-TEE-GO! :rawk:

I borrowed a friend's '68 Montego coupe for a week when in college. Cool muscle coupe. :cool:

Prefer the '73-'76 Montego GT coupes, NASCAR David Pearson-style.

http://www.gt350h.com/pearson/73pearson.jpg

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13327371_471939533006589_1546725368847097030_n.jpg ?oh=f8dcfbf8637262f951aa1090b33dce30&oe=591083F9

:D

[George]

^ Nice! :up:

And, wouldn't ya know, there's a '68 Montego on the Denver CL right now. How about it, novicius? It is convertible season, after all! :D

1968 Montego MX - $6800 (http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5929568077.html)

https://images.craigslist.org/00S0S_9s4jGFhHYQ4_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/01111_2HfB1SzQuFd_600x450.jpg

[Random]

I'm digging that clean K20 you posted, but seven thousand dollars?? Really???

[thesameguy]

K-series have been waiting for a chance to follow the C, so I'm not entirely surprised.

I am really liking that Willys, and I want that T-Bird with two more doors in a more palatable color real bad.

[novicius]

Russ :lol:

I also like the Montego GT because it most closely resembles The Landau from The Road Warrior (http://madmaxmovies.com/mad-max-2-the-road-warrior/cars-and-vehicles/ford-landau/index.html).

http://www.imcdb.org/i006901.jpg

[Godson]

I want that GTV6. So much want.

[novicius]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13327371_471939533006589_1546725368847097030_n.jpg ?oh=f8dcfbf8637262f951aa1090b33dce30&oe=591083F9

:D
Wrong paint scheme. ;) It should'a been based off of Waltrip's Regal:

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2149&stc=1

:lol: