C7 Corvette Updates/Info

[CudaMan]

Awesome car.

But there should really be some kind of legal/govt punishment for blatant mis-use of All-New. The term means nothing anymore, and so it only serves to annoy.

And while you're at it, get off my lawn.

[Kchrpm]

But there should really be some kind of legal/govt punishment for blatant mis-use of All-New.
If Trump added that to his political platform, I might join his side.

[novicius]

If Trump added that to his political platform, I might join his side.
But then Cruz would miss you.

#spike

[speedpimp]

Corvette Shooting Brake is a GO! (http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/you-can-finally-have-corvette-shooting-brake-your-dreams?utm_source=DailyDrive20160407&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-center&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive)

[Godson]

God damnit. They fucked up the red hash marks. They only fucking go on the driver's side.

[novicius]

Exec didn't like the asymmetry? Didn't know the history?

[Godson]

Exec didn't like the asymmetry? Didn't know the history?


http://garage.grumpysperformance.com/index.php?threads/history-of-grand-sport-corvette-hash-marks-etc.6849/

[SkylineObsession]

God damnit. They fucked up the red hash marks. They only fucking go on the driver's side.

Ugghhh, yeah. It seems to completely lose the point of it by putting them on both sides, like it's just another decal. Dumb.

[Kchrpm]

I didn't know the true history of them until now. I'm also not offended by them being put on both sides.

[Godson]

It looks fucking stupid on both sides.

[Kchrpm]

Then you should order yours without them.

[Freude am Fahren]

It is odd on both sides. Though it doesn't have to be the driver's side, you might as well stick with that for street cars that just use it as decoration and an homage to the original Grand Sport.

Also, it's not the first time they did that, the Ron Fellow Z06 had it on both sides.

(google cached image, may not show up):
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQSFA3j_jd7txtsArv_1KzaMXdaWQYzj M1ovxQ_0HI155_FMTuRZg

[Kchrpm]

Michelin NCM Bash this weekend, so pics and bits of info are trickling out.

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/25/2017-corvette-order-guide-details-new-corvette-options-and-colors/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/29/pics-2017-corvette-grand-sport-base-aero-package/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/28/pics-new-sterling-blue-exterior-color-2017-debuts-ncm-bash/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/28/pics-2017-corvette-grand-sport-convertible-black-rose-metallic/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/27/pics-corvette-assembly-plant-managers-2017-corvette-grand-sport/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042516_1b.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042816_31b.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042816_36b.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042816_26b.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042816_19.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042816_2.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042716_9.jpg

Also, Bernie Sanders Z06:

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016/04/27/feeling-the-bern-you-will-in-a-bernie-sanders-corvette-z06/

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2016/042716_3b.jpg

[Kchrpm]

One of those links has a link to the order guide PDF. Doing some key research, there is a red, white and blue full length stripe package, and orange hashmarks. Maybe I'd do white with orange hashmarks and the black Jake stinger...

[Godson]

Road in my first Corvette ever. C7 z06


It was fun

[Kchrpm]

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/04/29/chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-coupe-priced-official/


Prices for the mid-range Corvette have been confirmed at $66,445 for the hardtop and $70,445 for the convertible. That works out to a $13,950 savings compared to either the Z06 Coupe or the $84,395 Convertible. But perhaps more importantly, it's only $10,050 more than the base, $56,395 C7 Coupe or $60,395 C7 Convertible.

[2ndMoparMan]

I still think it's too angular. The C6 I liked. This one, however...bleh.

[Kchrpm]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-first-drive-review

Car and Driver is the first to drive it, though seemingly just around the proving grounds. They loved it, unsurprisingly.

[dodint]

What's the alphabet soup for that sticker package?

[thesameguy]

Grand Sport Coupe
1YW07

Grand Sport Convertible
1YW67

[dodint]

Thanks. Inside jokes just kind of hang there when the other party doesn't take the bait.

[Kchrpm]

I didn't see it in time, I'm glad someone else could pick up the slack :up:

[dodint]

You'll take the bait and you'll like it.

Just like when I said "C# is a body code" and you got that old lady to yell at me.

[Kchrpm]

That was fantastic :up:

[dodint]

She has three Corvettes, she knows.

Also said BMWs were inferior but I'm still welcome to enjoy the museum.

[Kchrpm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXylNx5pC70

[Freude am Fahren]

Core-vitt Z-Zero-Six at the Nurginburger:lol:

[Kchrpm]

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/21/2017-chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-first-drive-review/


Want to be unfair? Call it a parts-bin special, or a Z06 Lite. Go ahead. Then drive it. This isn't merely some incremental improvement to make an already quick car imperceptibly quicker. It is a grander experience – the sweet nature of the naturally aspirated V8, with its delightful throttle response, and the determined focus of a track-day car. All in something you could daily-drive.
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Right-seating with Gavin demonstrated that with all the nannies off, the car can deal with massive, abrupt control inputs without getting unsettled. The limits are huge. The nice thing about all the electronics is that an owner can work up to each of the five PTM levels incrementally to fully unlock the GS's abilities. Stop anywhere along the PTM ladder and the car's still a riot.
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We spent a few hours on the delightful, winding Georgia roads near AMP, and the takeaway was that the road is not the place to highlight the GS Z07's subtler charms. Like a regular Z51 – a car in which I've logged hundreds of miles both commuting and exercising on public roads – it's fun, comfortable, and surprisingly practical. It's just that from the driver's seat, the GS Z07 is very similar to a Z51 on the road, particularly if the Z51 has the optional MRC to add that noticeable measure of extra compliance. You won't be uncomfortable or dissatisfied in your GS Z07 on a long road trip, but you'll be more satisfied for the extra cash you've spent if that excursion ends at a highly technical road course.

If you like the wide-body look but don't plan on tracking your Grand Sport, skip the Z07 package and be (very) happy with the MRC and fantastic Z06-aping looks. If you have a club track nearby and want a car with near-supercar performance that you'll enjoy even as it's challenging you, spend for the Grand Sport with the Z07 package.

[Kchrpm]

Also, they're improving the heat management on the Z06: http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/21/2017-chevrolet-corvette-z06-overheating-fix-official/


Here's the fix – starting with the 2017 model year, Chevy will switch to a new hood with larger vents and a new supercharger cover, both designed with cooling in mind.
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Corvette chief engineer Tadge Juechter said the issue only afflicted about five percent of owners, but they were a very, very vocal five percent.
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"We intend to have the new hardware as a relatively straight forward retrofit to existing cars. We'll announce timing and pricing as we get closer to the restart of Z06 production. So look for an update from us in the coming months."

[dodint]

0-2%, 5%, close enough.

[Godson]

5% of a group of people who are tracking a $100k+ car. These are people that are very well off financially. They will be loud.

[Kchrpm]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/reviews/a30052/2017-corvette-grand-sport-first-drive/


Grip, balance and power work in concert, the way they do in our favorite low-power sports cars, but with every capability tripled. It's as if Zora Arkus-Duntov, up there in Horsepower Heaven, paid off a higher power to turn down the effect of gravity on your Miata.

[Kchrpm]

Yes, I'm a little obsessed with the first drive at Atlanta that the media got.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLPfiBn9140

[Sad, little man]

Ha, did they seriously try to spin that an issue that affects 5% of customers is not a big deal!? Yeah, only 50,000 defects per million, NBD.

I guess somebody slept through quality control class.

[Kchrpm]

Didn't you hear, they don't even bother having quality control classes at GM. They just slap shit together, super glue a bowtie on to it and send it out the door.

[Sad, little man]

I know you're being facetious, but if GM truly considers 5% of customers having a common problem with a vehicle to be not a big deal, then I'm not so sure how far off the mark that statement really is.

[Kchrpm]

5% of Z06 customers had overheating problems during hot track days. They considered it a big enough problem that they made a fix for it. If you have Z06s at a track day, and five of them start to overheat while 95 do not. And now they've made notable changes to new models that you can also retrofit to current cars. Is it the proper response or not?

[Sad, little man]

It's not the proper response for the chief engineer to use the words "only" and "5%" in the same sentence. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Kchrpm]

Yeah, ok. Chevrolet engineer drops the ball again. Ford GT for the win!

[neanderthal]

5% of a group of people who are tracking a $100k+ car. These are people that are very well off financially. They will be loud.

I can kinda understand where the engineer is coming from. The percentage of owners who actually track their Corvette is small, and the ones who are complaining are a percentage of that.

[Kchrpm]

Comparatively the percentage of Ford GT owners who really track their cars right now is zero, since none have been delivered. Once they have been, I'm sure it'll jump up all the way to 1 or 2%. 2-3 cars that go to HPDEs and are pushed, 10-15 that are driven to tracks just for the compliments, about 50 that will be at every car show and Cars & Coffee on days with a -20% chance of rain, and the rest will go for a quick blast on a highway in Dubai and then get put away in a garage to never be seen in public again.

[Sad, little man]

Well wait, we need to define something here. Was it 5% of all owners that had overheating issues, or 5% of people that tracked them? Because that is a huge difference. I still wouldn't say that 5% of people that tracked them having overheating problems is great for a vehicle that was marketed pretty hard towards track use, but it's more understandable than 5% of all owners.

[Godson]

The other thing to think about, is GM will still honor warranties on tracked Corvettes and camaros.

What other manufacturers do that?

[Freude am Fahren]

2017 Corvette Grand Sport: Don’t Buy Any Other Corvette (http://jalopnik.com/2017-corvette-grand-sport-don-t-buy-any-other-corvette-1784235809)

[XHawkeye]

Yet for all the wonderful things about the Z07 package, you will want it for only two reasons: You plan to track the car regularly, in which case it’s a must-buy, or you just can’t live without the full-bore junior-Z06 aesthetic. That’s because it basically adds nothing for the street, where the Grand Sport drives much like a regular Stingray, offering quiet composure, a comfortable and supple ride from the standard adjustable magnetorheological dampers, and the same functional interior.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-manual-test-review

[Kchrpm]

I am waiting patiently for the build site to be up, going through the order book and marking options just doesn't have the same feel with no prices or pictures. Just need to know how much more I would have to pay to get the PDR and HUD.

[dodint]

Are you planning to track your car?

[Kchrpm]

The closest tracks to me are 3-4 hours away, and track days tend to be $200+ from what I can tell (and good tires are 2 grand a set), so I wouldn't expect to do it more than a few times a year. I'll spend more time driving to tracks than driving on tracks. Not to mention road trips and pleasant week days.

[dodint]

Was just curious about the need for PDR.

[Kchrpm]

It's one of those cool to have features, it'd be fun for road trips, race weekends, etc. And it's included with the navigation system option, which is probably the best part of the HUD. What I should have said was Nav/PDR and HUD.

[dodint]

Cool. Good luck.

[Phil_SS]

Call me crazy but I don't understand 7 speed manual gearboxes.

[dodint]

Is it H-gate or flappy paddle?

[Sad, little man]

Pretty sure it is not a flappy bird transmission.

[thesameguy]

Call me crazy but I don't understand 7 speed manual gearboxes.

It's just like a 5-speed, but with four gears in each row instead of three. More gears = more fun.

(Recently tried a 911 :) )

[Freude am Fahren]

The C7 is fairly easy to grab 7th instead of 5th by mistake.

[Phil_SS]

It's just like a 5-speed, but with four gears in each row instead of three. More gears = more fun.

(Recently tried a 911 :) )

I get it I just don't get it. 😜 I'll have to try one someday.

[Kchrpm]

Call me crazy but I don't understand 7 speed manual gearboxes.

They do gangbusters on the EPA fuel mileage tests. Similar to the 1-4 shift thing Corvettes have had forever just for EPA test numbers.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, I think most would expect 6 normal/short gears and a long 7th, but it's 5 and two longs, really.

[Kchrpm]

Fourth gear gets you to about 150 mph at the end of the front straight at Road America, so I'd say realistically it's a 4+3 in the LT1-powered cars. I don't know of anywhere in the US where you're going to take a car faster than Road America legally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXj_XpBcp7E

Wait, no, those open road classics and standing mile competitions. And I guess if you convinced someone to have a track day at a big oval.

[Kchrpm]

Hmm, it was still pulling hard in 5th gear in this standing mile, so I'm back to agreeing it's at least a 5+2. I just don't know where you'd use the 5 outside of standing miles.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJzhHQNGXF0

[novicius]

Roll-on racing in "Mexico". ;)

[dodint]

I watched the RCR of the GT-500 last night. It has a 6-speed but both 5/6 are overdrives, 4 is 1:1. It keeps it from being subject to the gas guzzler tax.
I only go on that tangential track to say that I can see how in that context a 7 speed would make sense.

[Kchrpm]

BUT I THOUGHT THE ZR1 WAS GOING TO BE MID-ENGINED?!?!?!!?!

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/08/02/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-prototype-spy-shots/

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/400/640/4/S4006404/slug/l/cdauto-corvetteprototype-8116-1-1.jpg

[Kchrpm]

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-grand-sport/build-your-own.html

[Phil_SS]

Mine would be about 90K.

[Kchrpm]

Damn Phil! Russ, Jason and I were all about $75k.

[dodint]

Phil probabaly got the 'Vert, like a boss.

[dodint]

Everything I selected cancelled out everything else I selected, every time.

I'll just take a Spark, thanks.

[Phil_SS]

Grand Sport 2LT with

Starting MSRP1 $69,905
Destination Freight Charge $995
Options
Arctic White $0
Kalahari, Leather seating surfaces with sueded microfiber inserts $0
Wheels, 19" front and 20" rear, Satin Black with Red stripe, aluminum, Grand Sport $1,495
Z07 Performance Package $7,995
Grand Sport Heritage Package $795
6.2L (376 ci) V8 DI engine Standard
7-speed manual transmission $0
eLSD rear axle with 3.42 ratio $0
Dark Gray Metallic-painted brake calipers $0
Chevrolet MyLink®1 Radio with 8" diagonal color touch screen $0
Competition Sport bucket seats $2,495
3-spoke, sueded microfiber-wrapped, flat-bottom steering wheel $0
P285/30ZR19 front and P335/25ZR20 rear Michelin® Pilot® Super Sport Cup 2, run-flat, summer-only tires1 $0
Torch Red fender hash marks $0
Visible carbon-fiber roof panel with body-color surround $1,995
Accessories
Performance Brake Ducts $275
Reflective Triangle $15
Options And Accessories Total $15,065**
Total MSRP $85,965
Price $85,965*


And I hate convertible sports cars. Never ever ever. Go big luxobarge or go home. Think 65 Bonneville Convertible.

[Kchrpm]

http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2017/1YW07/1YW07__2LT/GGA_XFK_RXH_DVQ_EYT_R8C_LT1_MEL_GU6_ERI_IO6_UQT_AQ 9_CFX_Q8X_MEL_AQ9gmds1.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

2017 Corvette Grand Sport Coupe 2LT
Price
$75,585*
Starting MSRP1 $69,905
Destination Freight Charge $995
Options
Black Rose Metallic $495
Gray, Perforated Mulan leather seating surfaces $0
Wheels, 19" front and 20" rear, Black aluminum, Grand Sport $495
6.2L (376 ci) V8 DI engine Standard
7-speed manual transmission $0
eLSD rear axle with 3.42 ratio $0
Battery Protection Package Remove $100
Chevrolet MyLink Radio®1 with performance data recorder and Navigation1 $0
Performance data recorder and Navigation1 Remove $1,795
GT bucket seats $0
Personalized plaque with Corvette® Museum logo $0
P285/30ZR19 front and P335/25ZR20 rear Michelin® Pilot® Super Sport run-flat, summer-only tires1 $0
Jake logo center caps, Genuine Corvette® Accessory $210
Jake Carbon Flash Metallic Two-Tone Hood Stinger Decal $500
Carbon Flash Badge Package Remove $100
Corvette® Museum Delivery Remove $990
Options Total $4,685
Total MSRP $75,585
Price $75,585*

[novicius]

So that's only what $1500/month for 5 years? :lol:

[Kchrpm]

Well yeah, but after you trade in your 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 and put all of your savings in as a down payment...

[Phil_SS]

Why no Z07 package?

[dodint]

And I hate convertible sports cars. Never ever ever. Go big luxobarge or go home. Think 65 Bonneville Convertible.

Agree completely. My comment was with tongue in cheek.

[Phil_SS]

Touche

[dodint]

He also took out the Nav and PDR that were must haves for him. Maybe he was making a barebones package?

[Kchrpm]

Why no Z07 package?

Cost. I'm more interested in road trips to track days than time's set at the track day. I'm guessing the Cup tires will wear out noticeably faster than the Super Sports, and won't be massively different on even twisty side roads taken at reasonable speeds.


He also took out the Nav and PDR that were must haves for him. Maybe he was making a barebones package?

They were not taken out, they were added in. The Nav is a zero cost "option" that requires the $1,795 PDR.

[dodint]

Oh, well, this was confusing: "Performance data recorder and Navigation1 Remove $1,795"

[Kchrpm]

Oh I didn't notice the word Remove, ha. I wonder why that's there...

Oh, ok, it's the link to take that option off. It's only there for some of the options on the summary page. Odd.

[novicius]

Well yeah, but after you trade in your 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 and put all of your savings in as a down payment...
I'd say that in this market sell your condo. ;)

[Godson]

No joke. You could profit the way housing is going here in kc and find a nice rental with a badass car.

[Kchrpm]

Replacing my condo would result in my housing costs going up about 50%.

[novicius]

Selling your condo is only part of the plan -- the other part involves finding 3 or 4 crazy-ass (but still employed) roommates on Craigslist. :lol: ;) #masterplan

[Kchrpm]

No, the REAL plan is starting my own Uber competitor. Charge $50/hr for a drive through some fun backroads.

[Jason]

Would there be deer insurance?

:|

[Kchrpm]

Full coverage :up:

[dodint]

I would rent your car for $50/hr.

You can't be in it, though.

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

[Kchrpm]

Going back to Lightning Lap times, the C7 GS (with full race tires/brake/aero packages from what I understand) sets a lap time faster than the McLaren 570S, and only one tenth off the Porsche 911 GT3 RS.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/attachments/c7-general-discussion/48016766d1473304582-car-and-driver-lightning-lap-grand-sport-911-gt3-and-mclaren-570-all-run-2-47-s-image.jpeg

[Freude am Fahren]

http://hanabi.autoweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/gen-1200-675/public/c8top.jpg?itok=PjBngQls

http://autoweek.com/article/spy-photos/mid-engine-corvette-c8-our-best-look-yet?utm_source=BreakingNews20160912&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=image-top&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awbreakingnews

[Kchrpm]

Man...it looks like it's finally happening. That looks like too much bespoke stuff to just be an experiment.

[novicius]

Shorter than I would have thought.

Looking forward to the debut. :up:

[Kchrpm]

Shorter than I would have thought.
No copious trunk :down:
Sorry, I should try to stay positive. 15-20 years ago I thought a mid-engined Corvette was a great idea. I'm not sure when I soured on it.

[dodint]

Looks like an NSX that was put in a car crusher, front and rear and stubby and pressed in.

[novicius]

I was thinking a Saleen S7, smooshed. :lol:

[Kchrpm]

Yeah, the major body line is very S7-ish.

http://www.topcarrating.com/saleen/2006-saleen-s7-twin-turbo-5.jpg

But I'm sure most mid-engined cars are about the same.

[Kchrpm]

Why is there 4 grand off of this Grand Sport already? WHY?!

http://www.columbiachev.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Chevrolet-Corvette-Grand_Sport_2LT-Cincinnati-OH/2831309953

[Freude am Fahren]

My dad went by the Chevy dealer he had bought his Stingray from for something on his Tahoe, and he said they had 60 (!) Corvettes of various trims on the lot.

[Godson]

Why is there 4 grand off of this Grand Sport already? WHY?!

http://www.columbiachev.com/VehicleDetails/new-2017-Chevrolet-Corvette-Grand_Sport_2LT-Cincinnati-OH/2831309953

Because it is calling your name.

[Kchrpm]

Today I learned: if you get the full length Grand Sport stripe and order the transparent removable top, they will put the stripe on the transparent top. I had assumed they wouldn't.

http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2017/1YW07/1YW07__2LT/GTR_XFK_RXH_DXX_75A_CC3_VK3_R8C_Z15_LT1_MEL_ERI_J6 F_IO6_UQT_AQ9_D30_VYW_RUR_MEL_D30_AQ9gmds2.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2017/1YW07/1YW07__2LT/GTR_XFK_RXH_DXX_75A_CC3_VK3_R8C_Z15_LT1_MEL_ERI_J6 F_IO6_UQT_AQ9_D30_VYW_RUR_MEL_D30_AQ9gmds2.jpg&v=deg02&std=true&country=US

Edit:

Sploooooooge

http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2017/1YW07/1YW07__2LT/GBA_XFK_RXH_DXX_75A_CC3_VK3_R8C_Z15_LT1_MEL_ERI_J6 F_IO6_UQT_AQ9_VYW_RUR_MEL_AQ9gmds2.jpg&v=deg02&std=true&country=US

[Jason]

Just hurry up and buy one already.

[Kchrpm]

Why don't you hurry up and buy an NSX?

[Jason]

Because I don't want to.

(and I'd never be able to afford one)

[dodint]

Keith's high enthusiasm level makes me not feel bad about my high DMC high enthusiasm level so I'm happy to encourage him.

What I'm waiting for his for the C8 to be announced and his enthusiasm for the C7 evaporate before he buys anything. The goal posts will move. A problem I don't have.

[Kchrpm]

The C8 will either be at the same price, which I'll be prepared for, or a much more expensive mid-engined vehicle, which I won't be interested in.

[dodint]

Say it's the same price. And you like it. Do you buy it first year, or do you wait 2-3 years for them to get the kinks out and start offering sticker packages like the GS?
Or do you go back and buy a 1-2 year old C7 and pocket the huge depreciation?

[Kchrpm]

Same price and I like it more? Buy it immediately. I figure warranty will cover the kinks. I've always preferred new to used, despite the internet's fervent belief that new cars are for idiots.

[dodint]

I only have experience buying the first year of a new gen for a vehicle ('98 Intrepid). My experience was good, but manufacturers start throwing in new options and stuff to get cars to sell over the life of the generation. Even my '00 Intrepid had more standard options.

I listen to a consumer protection legal podcast (Lemon Law stuff) and the consensus is to let the manufacturer get this shit together for at least a year. My best advice is if you were to do that, keep your repair orders in a safe place.

[novicius]

People who buy new aren't idiots, they just have different priorities (and abilities to pay).

I'd love to buy new but these sticker prices are insane. Throw in depreciation costs and I'm completely uninterested.

I'd rather pad my accounts and buy the slivers of life left in someone else's garbage right now. Maybe this will change once I hit my savings targets? Don't know yet.

[dodint]

The sole reason I would buy a car new is so I could configure it to be exactly what I wanted.

I'll happily buy a car 1-2 years old (see: Hellcat discussion) and extend the warranty with an aftermarket warranty from Assurant. We bought one of their warranties for the E60 and the E46 and we got our monies worth both times.

[Kchrpm]

The sole reason I would buy a car new is so I could configure it to be exactly what I wanted.
I'm hoping orange is back by the time I make a purchase so I can do just that. A 1-2 year old orange GS would be great, but non-existent unless it's only gone for a single year.

[Yw-slayer]

Wrap or respray.

[Kchrpm]

If I got a wrap, it'd be CHROME or GOLD

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tj1tpXAdzgw/maxresdefault.jpg

[dodint]

Black and Gold. Perfect.

[Kchrpm]

C&D posted their 2017 Lightning Lap articles, which included the Grand Sport: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-at-lightning-lap-2016-feature


Like the Z06’s tires, the Cup 2s have just a couple of laps in them to get a best time. After that, the tires plateau, lose a bit of grip, and add about a second or so to the stopwatch.

That's the first I've heard of that, on either car. I don't think I've heard of anything similar outside of IndyCar/F1 qualifying runs.

[Kchrpm]

As I've told a few others, I test drove a white one at the same dealer posted earlier, though I had no real choice to put much pace in it. On ramps had traffic in front, backroads were narrow with the best turns being blind. I got close to it getting it to take a set (I don't know where I got that phrase from) in one right-hander, could feel the suspension switch into SERIOUS BUSINESS stiffness for a split second. The clutch throw was progressive but not very communicative. I never got close to stalling or jerking forward from a stop, but I was being very gentle/slow on it. I may have gotten onto it on the highway, I'm not sure, but not in the optimal gear.

I really do love that the car has 3 USB ports and 2 DC 12V power outlets, for two passengers. When on the big Vette vacation I was able to charge my phone, camera, watch and backup battery all at the same time.

I turned on the front bumper camera and used it when parking the car, but I'm still not exactly sure how it works. There are two cameras that look out to the left and the right but overlap in the middle, and then one that looks down, and I can't tell how wide the one looking down is so I'm not sure if it could be used to fit into my garage confidently.

[dodint]

Surely when you're ready to purchase you'll test drive it to your house, yes?

[Kchrpm]

That is definitely a thing I should do, but I might not, because if I have to buy a new house to buy it I'll be pissed (the point of getting a place with a two car garage 8 years ago was so that I wouldn't have to do that). I might just #makeitwork if I don't test it first.

[Phil_SS]

How effing small is the width of your garage? The smallest standard width of a single car garage door is 8ft or 96", A Corvette Grand Sport is 77.4" wide. Just fold in the mirrors and you will be fine. :)

[Kchrpm]

That's the plan! Garage door is 94 inches with the molding, mirror to mirror the car is 85" wide, so about 4.5" of clearance either side, slightly more if I reach out and fold in the driver side mirror. Like I said, #makeitwork. I had trouble with the Altima, popped off both of the end caps on the mirrors, so I'd probably rig up something to help with alignment. Carlo had a really good idea with rubber padding on the floor that I wrote down, in addition to the more typical hanging tennis ball type stuff. It's accounted for :up:

[Freude am Fahren]

I have a small garage, and though I have a small car, I did park my Dad's Vette in it a lot. I find it easier to back in, especially with a reverse camera. You can use the mirrors themselves to see how close you are to hitting them (as well as the rear hips), then the camera to get in as far as you can.

[Kchrpm]

The Mid-Engine Corvette Probably Won't Get A Manual Gearbox: Report (http://jalopnik.com/the-mid-engine-corvette-probably-wont-get-a-manual-gear-1786668849)

[novicius]

Of course not, it's all about performance and metrics. :hard:

You want fun? Buy a manual Stingray. ;)

[Kchrpm]

If they call it a Corvette Zora, all will be forgiven :up:

[dodint]

Indy, you mean.

[Godson]

Indy, you mean.

Bah-dum-crash!


Nailed it. Not a 'Vette.

[Kchrpm]

If you want to force Corvette purists/historians to accept it, you put the Zora name on there. Zora would have loved it.

But Indy is a good callback, too.

Either way, just make it a separate model.

[Freude am Fahren]

Posted this in the Misc. thread, but realized this is a more likely the appropriate place.

One of the local Chevy dealers has 68 new Corvettes on the lot, including Z06's (6) and GS's (7). A total of 6 of them are manuals. 6! :(

[Yw-slayer]

You want fun? Buy a manual Stingray. ;)

Don't you mean a manual GT86? :assclown:

[dodint]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YEMmyCZRA

Thought this was interesting. He ignores probably the most obvious thing in that with the new Corvette you get a factory warranty that goes for, what 3-5 years? And it can be serviced anywhere you can service a Malibu. Given your love of spreadsheets and analysis, Keith, I thought you'd find this interesting if you haven't seen it.

Given Rob's occupation and location I can understand why he thinks it might be acceptable to try and maintain a Ferrari as a DD, but it wouldn't fly in Wisconsin, Cincy, or Pittsburgh I assume.

This book was actually a pretty good read, one guy's year with the Ferrari he chose to try and DD. Documented the upkeep and actual costs: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077QWUBC/

[Kchrpm]

Would a $60k Ferrari still hold its value if you put real miles on it, or does this require you to put less than 5k a year on it?

It makes for an interesting video that takes little to no effort or production value, I'll give him that.

[dodint]

Yeah, I thought his analysis was poor but now it has me thinking I can afford a Ferrari, so, fun!

[Godson]

There are several guys on f-life etc that did their Ferrari. One of the 355 owners does his own work too.

I aaked him about his thoughts on reselling the car, he said that when he can't afford to work on it, he would 'eat' the losses. Last I talked with him he had 85k miles on it.

[Freude am Fahren]

355's are only gaining value now I think. Their floor was a couple years ago. I think a 360 or 430 with a manual will hold some value, but haven't hit their floor yet. But I think there are so many of them compared to earlier models, so who knows. I wouldn't waste my time with a used V8 Ferrari with an F1 gearbox though. Unless maybe it's the 355, since I think those are pretty rare?

[Kchrpm]

One of the 355 owners does his own work too...Last I talked with him he had 85k miles on it.
The 355 was in production from 1994 to 1999, so it's had 3900-5000 miles per year.

[dodint]

Any fun car in Pittsburgh for me is going to be a May-Oct car since sliding around mountains in low production MR/RR cars can't be advisable if I want to keep them long. For that reason I doubt I'd hang more than 6-8k a season on a car. Especially if I'm busing to work. Then I could realistically put less than 5k miles on both of my cars since we take hers on long trips.

[Kchrpm]

My fun car would also be my warm month road trip car (until family prevents it) and DD, so it changes the numbers for me a lot. I can foresee doing over 5000 miles in just planned road trips every year (gotta give every GTXFer in a 6 hour radius a ride in exchange for a couple nights in a spare bedroom).

[dodint]

Yeah, I have those day dreams too, then I realize that I'll be living on the same income I have now but with a car payment taken out and realize that random jaunts to the Grand Canyon probably won't happen as often as I'd like. ;)

[Kchrpm]

I am already spending/saving about the same amount total, and all my trips will take advantage of 30 mpg on the highway and generous friends :) The real question is how often I'll be driving to Pittsburgh.

[dodint]

Pittsburgh is friend saturated. Just tell me where you don't have coverage and I'll move there. Knoxville alright?

And yeah, my statement was loaded. My cash flow will increase pretty substantially here soon when I pay off that loan to myself in the spring.

[Kchrpm]

That would work out great, actually, nice bridge to family in Houston.

[Kchrpm]

http://jalopnik.com/somebody-wants-to-sell-you-an-electric-corvette-for-75-1787793090

$250k deposit now to get a yet-to-be-designed/engineered $750k electric C7 from the company that made a 205 mph electric C6.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--DNhFCjxT--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fjnpbi3z1vhppm1uswe0.jpg

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ke2peCXs--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/fkdauexjszyvxkmezhsl.jpg

[Mr Wonder]

I do like the round rear lights. Cheeky. Obviously every other line on the car has been done with a ruler so it's a little weird, but a nice touch.

[Kchrpm]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/corvette/2017/2017-chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-vs-2017-porsche-911-carrera-s/


“Logically speaking, I think the 911 makes great sense and would easily satisfy all of my everyday needs. The only problem is that I’d be daydreaming of driving the Grand Sport while I’m out grocery shopping in the Porsche.”

[dodint]

lol, k.

[Kchrpm]

Oh man, they've updated the car builder at Chevrolet's website, and it can generate much larger and crisper images of the car you build.

http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2017/1YW07/1YW07__2LT/G8G_703_75A_AQ9_CC3_DXU_ERI_EYT_G8G_IO6_J6F_LT1_ME L_RUR_RXH_UQT_VYW_XFK_Z15gmds10.png&v=deg02&std=true&country=US&removeCat=true

[Jason]

I do like the round rear lights. Cheeky. Obviously every other line on the car has been done with a ruler so it's a little weird, but a nice touch.

I dig it. It also gets rid of the awkward exhaust tips (my only issue with the 'normal' design)

[Kchrpm]

I forgot to post one of the new spy photos when they came out. It seems this thing will have similar aero to the LeMans racer, but with 200 more horsepower.

http://s3.caradvice.com.au/thumb/1000/562/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-spy-3-hero.jpg

[Godson]

C7R replica?

[Kchrpm]

The (visible) aero is actually more aggressive than on the race car, same for those front corner intakes.

It makes sense, though, the C7R makes only about 500 hp and weighs less than 2600 lbs (2745 lbs w/driver and full gas tank), and its most important tracks have very long straightaways. This potential ZR1 is likely going to have at least 650 hp, weigh around 3500 lbs, and be driven on club tracks more than Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans.

[21Kid]

That swirl paint isn't hiding anything...

[Godson]

That swirl paint isn't hiding anything...

It is kinda awesome though.

Sorta like "see, it's a test mule.". ;)

[neanderthal]

The (visible) aero is actually more aggressive than on the race car, same for those front corner intakes.

It makes sense, though, the C7R makes only about 500 hp and weighs less than 2600 lbs (2745 lbs w/driver and full gas tank), and its most important tracks have very long straightaways. This potential ZR1 is likely going to have at least 650 hp, weigh around 3500 lbs, and be driven on club tracks more than Daytona, Sebring and Le Mans.

Detuned for reliability? WEC/ IMSA/ SCCA regulations?

[Alan P]

Detuned for reliability? WEC/ IMSA/ SCCA regulations?

Regulations, mainly around inlet size. AFAIK anyway.

[Kchrpm]

Yep. The race engine is also 5.5 liters instead of 6.2.

[balki]

same block, but de-stroked?

[Kchrpm]

To not answer your question, just found out that Corvette Racing's engine builder makes a 7 liter LT1 kit: http://katechengines.com/performance/vehicles/c7-corvette/


Street Attack C7 427
427ci Street Attack LT1 engine
700hp/620tq

To answer your question: http://blog.caranddriver.com/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-beastly-chevrolet-corvette-c7-r-race-car/


It uses an updated version of the C6.R V-8, not something based on the LT4. Why forsake the Z06’s mighty, supercharged LT4 small-block V-8 for the C6.R engine, especially given the fact that the C7.R is directly developed off the Z06? Blame the rules, according to Fehan. “We can’t use the supercharger or the variable valve timing. Add the fact we’d start life with 6.2 liters in an all-new architecture, [with a] new block and new cylinder heads, and then have to de-bore and de-stroke to 5.5 liters to meet the rules. To go through that process on a brand-new engine with the time and expense to determine durability and reliability didn’t make any economic sense when we already had a proven 5.5-liter done.” The one big change made to this year’s version of the V-8? Direct fuel injection, last used in the 2009 car, has returned. It allows for more precise throttle control and about a three percent gain in fuel economy, enough to potentially eliminate one pit stop in a 24-hour race.

[dodint]

MOAR codes, then?

[neanderthal]

DOHC engine for Vette in 2017? (https://www.yahoo.com/news/2018-corvette-getting-dohc-v-181702787.html)

New LT engine? Where does it fall in the heirarchy? Will it be a "premium offering?" Lots of questions.

[Godson]

Most likely the ZR1, bet it will be called the LT5.

[Freude am Fahren]

I'd think that would be for the mid-engine car. Especially with the additional info in that article.

Interesting the C4 ZR-1 had a DOHC, didn't know that.

[Godson]

I'd think that would be for the mid-engine car. Especially with the additional info in that article.

Interesting the C4 ZR-1 had a DOHC, didn't know that.

Designed by Lotus, built by Mercury Marine. Only DOHC V8 GM has ever built. ALso fit in the footprint of the SBC. Brilliant engine.

[neanderthal]

Designed by Lotus, built by Mercury Marine. Only DOHC V8 GM has ever built. ALso fit in the footprint of the SBC. Brilliant engine.

<cough> Northstar<cough>

[Godson]

We don't talk about the northstar.

Design attributes of that engine are nightmarish. If you pull both heads off the engine, you drop the mains caps and the crank is now only supported by the oil pan.only way to put main caps back on is to drop the oil pan. You see where I am going with this. And before you say the heads dont have issues, these engines pop HGs like I have been having surgeries.

[neanderthal]

That's nightmarish

[dodint]

It is one of the few V8s that drops into the DMC rather easily.

[Random]

I'd think that would be for the mid-engine car. Especially with the additional info in that article.

Interesting the C4 ZR-1 had a DOHC, didn't know that.

So, so hawt.

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2124&stc=1

[Godson]

16 fuel injectors, two stage throttle body, all internals are forged.

The only weak part of that engine is the thermostat housing. When the thermostat fails, you have to pull the thermostat housing apart, as it is not on the engine block. The bolts are almost guaranteed to be seized in the housing and them breaking. New housings from GM don't exist. NOS is impossible to find.

The current solution is a CNC billet housing that costs 700$ last time I checked.

[XHawkeye]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3czJb8WAAE9Z-c.jpg

ZR1 and Mid-Engine C8 Corvettes Spied Together in Cold-Weather Tests http://bit.ly/2kNkRW7

[Freude am Fahren]

I really hope the Corvette doesn't just go mid-engine. I hope the mid-engine car is a special model/spin-off (or Cadillac :D)

[dodint]

The spy shot where it looks like a trashbag was entertaining.

[novicius]

I hope the mid-engine car is a special model/spin-off (or Cadillac :D)
More than a few comments I've seen are also hoping this goes to Cadillac.

I think it's going to be a Corvette -- and depending upon sales it will probably become the only Corvette.

[thesameguy]

I really think Chevy is aiming for a two-car Corvette lineup, a la Cayman and 911. One FR, one MR. Although, who knows, maybe they are dumping the FR Corvette to make room for even more expensive Camaros.

[Kchrpm]

Related: the Corvette factory is going to shut down for 3 months after they're done making 2017 models in June. It's part of the $290 million investment, in addition to the $439 million paint shop investment that will be done in spring. After the upgrade is completed, they'll go back to making 2018 C7s.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/3932612-my-plant-shutdown-story-confirmed-a-summer-shut-down-planned.html

So they're getting ready for something. Or they're just improving their processes. We shall find out!

[balki]

So only 4 years of the C7? That's even less than the C2 (and much lower than the 15 and 13 years of the C3 and C4s).

[Kchrpm]

The ZR1 could get introduced next year as a 2019, and then the C8 could be a 2020, meaning 6 years of production for the C7. Short for Corvettes, long for other cars nowadays.

Or the C8 could be produced at the same time as the high cost model, in theory.

[Kchrpm]

They actually made it: http://www.autoblog.com/2017/02/03/callaway-corvette-c7-aerowagen-shooting-brake/

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/442/604/3/S4426043/slug/l/16423095-10212312774833924-1165216655625476457-o-1.jpg

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/442/604/4/S4426044/slug/l/16487597-10212312774473915-576432954255359885-o-1.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

They should call the new mid engine Vette, the "Bowling Green Massacre"

[Jason]

Woah, I like that shooting brake :up:

[Random]

They should call the new mid engine Vette, the "Bowling Green Massacre"

:up::up: :toast:

[21Kid]

I don't get it... Do you really need extra storage space in the Vette? :erm: That's not really what it's used for.

[Kchrpm]

Shooting brake, Kid! It's all the rage!

[21Kid]

I've never liked them... :shrug:


shoot·ing brake -
noun-a station wagon.

:lol:

[dodint]

A two-door station wagon!

Well, 3, I guess. Unless it has MINI barn doors or a hearse-like single swinging door.

[dodint]

C7 Update: Still just a Chevy.

[Kchrpm]

:D :D Congrats on 1000.

[dodint]

Thanks. It's been a fun 6 months. ;)

[21Kid]

Noob!



That's what you get for doing a little at a time!!!

[Kchrpm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV5RPsnhby8

I'll need to borrow Cam and his drone skills.

[balki]

why, you have the Corvette already?

edit; just watched it. nothing happens, he just makes a quick U-turn post-credits.

[Kchrpm]

I was saying I will, hence the use of I'll. It's not an action packed video, but it looks cool, and with proper planning and drone skills you could make something pretty neat.

[balki]

yeah, a cool drone video, rather than a cool Corvette video.

[dodint]

C7 Update: Still just a Chevy.

Confirmed.

[dodint]

I would like to share some thoughts about the C7 but I legitimately don't know what I'm supposed to contextualize it with. It's such an anomaly when you look at one parameter (price) the performance aspect is so comparably out of whack, and vice-verca. What is it supposed to...be?

[novicius]

An achievable aspiration halo car for a mass-produced mass-transit automaker?

The color was perfect. :D :up:

[dodint]

My experience wasn't negative. I'm just struggling to put it into context.

I suppose a way to put it is that I have a very strong revived interest in the ~04 Viper GTS now, but no desire at all to buy a C7. I would entertain the notion of getting into a C7 in 10-15 years at the $25-30k pricepoint. I think that's my ceiling on buying into the experience.

[novicius]

I wasn't trying to paint it as negative but similar to Nissan and the GT-R, there is realistically a ceiling on how far to stretch the brand, right?

At some price point, wealthy enthusiasts simply won't buy it regardless of the stats because it's just a Chevy. The C8 may fall into this zone as it continues to push upmarket.

[21Kid]

I thought today's Chevy was miles ahead of yesterday's Chevy though. :erm:

[Kchrpm]

Hmm, I read that as Nate not valuing a performance car of any brand at that price point, but perhaps your reading is more accurate.

[dodint]

Oh, for sure, this is strictly couched in my current buying preference. Right now I'm not going higher than $40k for a car, and everyone in the world knows exactly what car that's going to be. ;)

Money no object with a ceiling of, say...$125k? It gets simultaneously more clear and more complex as the C7 will lose to one of either the M6 or F-Type, probably. Ceiling of $90k? It's a fight between the C7 and Challenger Hellcat I imagine.

[Godson]

Used viper? Those things are nucking futs.

However, that price is also prime for a GS

[Kchrpm]

Info on the 2018 changes.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/3970278-all-new-for-the-2018-corvette-read-below.html

Nothing jumps out to me as major. Just one new color, replacing a blue-ish silver with whatever Ceramic Matrix Gray is. Being able to order the carbon brakes on the GS without getting the Z07 package is a little strange. I thought they were the most expensive part of that package, and they just recently started a deal specifically to clear carbon brake cars off dealer lots. Maybe they had a number of people that liked the brake upgrade but didn't want the high wear tires and high drag aero to go with it. Or maybe they just want any way to get rid of unsold stock they purchased.


New for 2018....

Deletions

(GGB) Sterling Blue Metallic exterior color

(12*) Dark Gray Z06 interior

(205) Twilight Blue interior

18" front/19" rear Stingray wheels (QG6/QX1/RPK/QX3) and (XBK) 18" front/19" rear Stingray tires

(ZLD/ZLE/ZLG) Design Packages (198 Jet Black sueded and 755 Spice Red interiors still available)

(Z25) Grand Sport Collector Edition

PO wheels: 5YU/5YV/5YZ/5Z2/5YX/5YW/5Z8 (all still ACO)

(PBC) Customer Engine Build Program

(PD5) Buyers Tour with engine build experience


New Features


(G9F) Ceramic Matrix Gray Metallic exterior color

(Z30) Carbon 65 Edition for 3LT Grand Sport and 3LZ Z06

(RNP) Z51-style 5-split spoke, Black-painted with Yellow stripe aluminum, 19" x 8.5" front and 20" x 10" rear wheels

(RNM) Torque directional Silver-painted aluminum, 19" x 8.5" front and 20" x 10" rear wheels

(R2Q) Torque directional chrome aluminum, 19" x 8.5" front and 20" x 10" rear wheels

(RNN) Motorsports Black-painted aluminum, 19" x 8.5" front and 20" x 10" rear wheels

(Q9C) Z06 Black-painted aluminum with Yellow Stripe, 19" x 10" front and 20" x 12" rear wheels

(37S) Blue custom leather stitch

HD radio


Changes

2LT interior adds color instrument panel brow (now common with 2LZ)

(141/143/144/145/146) Gray interior now available on Z06

(755) Spice Red interior is now available on 3LT/3LZ

(198) Jet Black sueded interior is now available for 3LT/3LZ and includes (FCC) high-gloss carbon fiber, instrument panel and (N2Z) carbon fiber and sueded microfiber-wrapped rim, flat-bottom steering wheel

(80T) Spice Red convertible top now available

(196) Jet Black sueded interior not available with color stitch options, now use (198) Jet Black sueded interior

(36S) Yellow/(37S) Blue/(38S) Red custom leather stitch now requires (195) Jet Black interior and (FAY) carbon fiber instrument panel trim; or (198) Jet Black sueded interior

(UQT) Performance data and video recorder updates include additional toolbox data available: All 4 individual wheel speeds, All 4 suspension displacements, Yaw rate, Intake air temperature, Ambient air temperature

(Q7S) Z51-style 5-split spoke, Silver-painted aluminum, 19" front/20" rear and (XFJ) P245/35ZR19 front/P285/30ZR20 rear, performance, summer-only tires now standard on Stingray

(R86) Motorsports polished aluminum wheels are now available for all Stingray models

(Q8U) Z06 10-spoke blade Pearl Nickel-painted aluminum wheels are now available for all Z06 models

Standard Rear Vision Camera now has a wide view

(DUR) Grand Sport Satin Black Center Stripe Package now available with (Z15) Grand Sport Heritage Package

(FE2) Magnetic Ride Control no longer includes spoiler or wheel change

(J57) Ceramic disc brakes now available on Grand Sport without (Z07) Z07 Performance Package


NEW! Calipers, Blue-painted
1 - Included and only available with (Z30) Carbon 65 Edition.

[Kchrpm]

Ceramic Matrix Gray Metallic on the Carbon 65 edition is not what I expected. Last year's GS special edition was a dark grey, and it's replacing a silver, so I shouldn't be surprised.

Edit: Holy crap it's a $15,000 option. Just for a bunch of carbon fiber bits and a unique-but-not-special paintjob. Yeesh.

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/498/090/6/S4980906/slug/l/2018-chevrolet-corvette-carbon65-edition-004-2.jpg

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/498/090/7/S4980907/slug/l/2018-chevrolet-corvette-carbon65-edition-005-2.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

Looks like white to me :|

[XHawkeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPYSVRzHV60

[Kchrpm]

Goes a little faster when it isn't snowing.

I wonder why the new Cadillacs have the digital rear view mirror but the Vette doesn't.

[Kchrpm]

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/05/05/2018-corvette-zr1-dohc-mid-engine-zora-clues-solved-speculation/

Some speculation on what's next, with their reasoning and evidence. Short version: DOHC engines (of nearly identical physical size) replace the OHV models in the Corvette and all other current Gen V V8 applications in the short term. The long term gets crazier.

[Godson]

I can dig I.

[thesameguy]

1978 sunburned Corvette?

Go.

[dodint]

You should start a C8 thread so you can lose interest and never post in this thread again, Keith.

[Kchrpm]

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/corvette-z06-owners-hit-gm-with-class-action-lawsuit-be-1796070293


The lawsuit claims that a cooling system defect can put the 2015-2017 Z06 into “limp mode” after only 15 minutes of track use. Fifteen minutes! Not much of a track day.
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The suit, filed today by perpetually automaker-suing firm Hagens Berman, claims the Z06 can go into limp mode on public roads, so it’s not a problem limited to owners who use their Z06 on track. The cooling system defect allegedly warps vital engine components due to the high temperatures, causing further headaches over costly repairs.
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"We believe we’ve found GM to be guilty of a classic bait and switch – one that cost thousands of consumers dearly, up to $120,000, and broke state consumer protection laws. GM enticed race enthusiasts with bells and whistles, promising a car that could maintain safe speeds and power when tracked, but we believe what it sold them was far from what it promised. This defect not only damages the Z06 engine, but endangers drivers.

The defect in question markedly limits the car’s performance – the sole reason these hotrod enthusiasts bought the Corvette Z06 in the first place. If they’d known of this defect at the time of purchase, they likely wouldn’t have spent six figures on the Z06."
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The 2017 Z06 received several upgrades to its cooling system as a result of problems reported with the car, however, this year’s model is also listed in the list of affected cars in the class-action lawsuit.

[Kchrpm]

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/31/chevy-corvette-midengine-spy-shots-latest/

https://s.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/683/379/3/S6833793/slug/l/cdauto-corvettemidengine-73117-1-copy-1.jpg


This latest batch gives us our best view yet, showing a car that's deep in development and sporting what appears to be some production-spec bodywork.

Even with the new, mid-engined proportions, the car still resembles a typical Corvette, with a low, pointed nose familiar windshield. Some things have changed from previous models. The mirrors appear to be attached to the A-pillar, not the top of the doors. The wheels are a different design that other mid-engined prototypes. The rear bumper and exhaust pipes have been refined and look nearly finished.

[JoshInKC]

That picture would be more interesting if it were actually an F/R Corvette-Camino.
El Corvetto?

[novicius]

Looks potent -- and possibly has two trunks.

Here's hoping it's a hybrid w/. electric motors on the front wheels. ;)

[dodint]

Looks potent -- and possibly has two trunks.


Both in back, by the looks of it. ;)

[Kchrpm]

Here's hoping it's a hybrid w/. electric motors on the front wheels. ;)

I think Zora would live that :up:

[Godson]

Gawd that rear body length is too much.

[Jason]

Thicc

[Kchrpm]

I'm still wondering what the hell this thing is even going to be. The supercar market is so varied now, especially if you include hypercars, there are so many places to try and slot it in. It could be a $100k MR version of current Corvette tech, or $125k with 600-700 hp DOHC, or $150k with added hybrid drivetrain or crazy/active aero, or $200k with both, or $250k+ for just a homologation special that throws everything they've got at it.

Or it could be a Cadillac that will pretend to be related to the Dallara-built DPi.

[Kchrpm]

Nate pointed out to me that Chevrolet showed off a new color that will be introduced later in the 2018 model year: Sebring Orange.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/4034060-just-announced-sebring-orange-4.html#post1595441339

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.corvetteforum.com-vbulletin/2000x1504/80-img_0159_8493fee9c919e4f9d8105ffc0a60f014975365d8. jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

Interesting name. Could we see some C7.R's in that color next March? I know yellow is the standard, but it would be cool.

Or it could just be a reference to sunsets.

[Kchrpm]

The last orange was Daytona Sunset, so going from Daytona to Sebring might be the only reason for the chosen name. I doubt the race car would change, but I'd support it.

[Freude am Fahren]

Now that I think of it, it's not like they raced a green car at Lime Rock. It would be a cool one-off though. Maybe they can even put a Dutch driver in the car :p

[Kchrpm]

https://jalopnik.com/the-750-horsepower-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-this-is-it-1820256232

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/yayzprclm1ze7hik16fj.jpg


Update 2:15 p.m. An astute reader points out a digital copy of that Car and Driver story is now online at Corvette Forum, and here is what we learned from that:

The ZR1 is essentially “a Z06 with more,” meaning it doesn’t get anything too radical like an all-new engine. They even have the same gear ratios and both can be had with either a seven-speed manual or eight-speed automatic.
Still, the engine has a new designation: LT5, like the C4 ZR-1 had. It’s got a bigger supercharger than the Z06's LT4, and torque is rated at 680 lb-ft. Other differences: larger throttle body, different fuel injection system, strengthened crankshaft.
Aside from the rear wing, everything from the A-pillar back is Z06, in terms of the body.
It’s heavier than a Z06 too to the tune of about 140 pounds.
The suspension setups are the same, just with different tuning. No new parts here.
The ZR1's front wheels are half an inch wider, but both standard and optional tires are the same as the Z06; the ZR1 gets the Z06's optional brake rotors and calipers too, with new pads.
It shoots flames from its exhaust. Which is good. Not enough cars do that from the factory.

[Phil_SS]

That is not a pretty face. Solid pass for me. I'm still all about the GS.

[novicius]

So Honda called... :lol:

[Rare White Ape]

So Honda called... :lol:

ZR1 Type-R?

At least the deign is balanced, front wing to rear wing.

[Kchrpm]

They're announcing it in Dubai, I don't think it's a coincidence. Overpriced, overstuffed and overstyled = Dubai cars.

[Godson]

That is not a pretty face. Solid pass for me. I'm still all about the GS.

Grand Sport has always been the best ;)

[Freude am Fahren]

They're announcing it in Dubai, I don't think it's a coincidence. Overpriced, overstuffed and overstyled = Dubai cars.

Also to prove why they needed a nose like that. So it doesn't burst into flames.

[CudaMan]

Announcing a Corvette in Dubai? Weird.

[Kchrpm]

Announcing an overpriced, gaudy, limited edition version of a vehicle in Dubai? Not so weird :) "Yeah, we released the Bolt, BUT WE STILL LOVE YOU CRAZY OIL BARONS! DRAG RACE! FIRST PERSON TO THE LINE OF POOR PEOPLE WINS!"

[balki]

"... before the C8 goes mid-engine and DOHC"
Is that just about official at this point, or are the test mules still for an idea/possibility only?

[neanderthal]

"... before the C8 goes mid-engine and DOHC"
Is that just about official at this point, or are the test mules still for an idea/possibility only?

I hope they're going to have new halo car above the Corvette, personally; something to really go after the Ford GT, Ferraris, Porsches, Laborghinis, etc

[Godson]

The current engine is called the lt5, no?

[neanderthal]

The current engine is called the lt5, no?

Only the one in the newly announced monster Vette.

[Godson]

That's what I was talking about. A real shame too.

[XHawkeye]

The performance credentials of the new Corvette ZR1 are indeed impressive, but its launch timing has screwed up the rollout of the mid-engine C8. The culprit was something having to do with the supercharger system (supplied by Eaton) and cooling, but it really doesn't matter at this point. The Corvette enthusiasts who just have to have the ZR1 will get one, because it's the last hurrah for the front engine C7 Corvette. But everyone else will have to wait for the C8 while Chevrolet operatives figure out what they're doing. But remember, it's not just the production C8 rollout that is being delayed, it also means that the C8.R GTLM racer will be late, too, which at this point is flat-out inexcusable.

From the Nov 15, 2017 On The Table (http://www.autoextremist.com/on-the-table1)

[novicius]

Note to Executives: estimates are ESTIMATES. #ffs

No greater crime in Corporate America than slipping dates. Even physics & engineering breakthroughs must adhere to the timeline, don'tcha know?? :rolleyes:

[novicius]

850. (http://www.motortrend.com/news/report-the-mid-engine-c8-chevrolet-corvette-might-make-850-hp/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=5a250e9504d30151bb07ab5c&utm_medium&utm_source)


The most interesting tidbit from the document is that 4.2-liter and 5.5-liter V-8 options are also expected—presumably for the upcoming mid-engine variant. IHS’ production estimates suggest the 6.2-liter V-8 will be the most popular option, which would make sense if the C7 carries on as the “volume” model, followed by the 4.2-liter and finally the 5.5-liter. Corvette Forum also believes the smaller V-8s will likely be twin-turbocharged and of a dual overhead cam design.

In terms of horsepower, the 5.5-liter will reportedly make a maximum of 850 hp, with the 4.2-liter cranking out something closer to 650 hp.

If so, that would mean the top-of-the-line mid-engine Corvette will make nearly 100 hp more than the already-quick Corvette ZR1, and the mid-tier C8 will make about the same power as a C7 Z06.
What does that even match up to?? :lol: That power level crushes anything under $250,000 USD currently.

[CudaMan]

While that's cool and all, I feel like the Corvette is one of the last bastions of plentiful NA power (or SC if you want) in a somewhat reasonable package. A turbo Corvette just wouldn't have the same raw feel. I mean, shoot, I rode shotgun in a C6Z on the street a few weeks ago and you could feel the darn thing rumbling at idle. That's awesome.

[Kchrpm]

Michelin makes a winter tire in the widebody (GS, Z06, ZR1) sizes now, but quantity seems to be limited (Tire Rack ran out of rears, and Michelin won't sell them through their website).

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Alpin+PA4

[Rare White Ape]

Just gon leave dis here…

(It’s the 100th win edition)

http://motorsportcollector.com/cart/images/aa81606f.jpg

[Kchrpm]

I want a C7.R model, but all I can afford are the Hot Wheels versions (of which I have 2 or 3).

[Godson]

That thing is tits!

[speedpimp]

I want a C7.R model, but all I can afford are the Hot Wheels versions (of which I have 2 or 3).

I have at least one among a bunch of Vettes. I love the Greenwood casting.

[Freude am Fahren]

So, I don't know if I explained on here, but my dad, maybe a year after buying his manual C7 convertible, got into a motorcycle accident and lost the lower part of his right leg. He eventually sold it, not just because of the manual, but also getting in and out.

Anyway, almost 2 years later, and with being much most used to his prosthetic, he bought a '17 auto coupe :up: He got that ice blue color, which is tame, but I think looks great, suits him, and was only available for one year.

He also got back into flying, and bought another example of the single engine plane he had years ago :up:

[dodint]

Glad he hasn't let it sideline him. :up:

[Jason]

That's awesome :up: