GT86

[Dicknose]

More people on this board with a flat engine. I support this.

Hadnt thought of it that way.
So Im about to end up with 2 cars, both with boxer engines (turbo 4 and na 6)

[Godson]

Not to forget the big rumbling twin you also have. (You are doing this right ;) )

[The359]

I'm kinda not a fan of the touchscreen yet, keep accidentally hitting a button on the screen when reaching up to the volume control.

Far better than the Subaru's touch screen!

[Dicknose]

Not to forget the big rumbling twin you also have. (You are doing this right ;) )

Might have to get a Holden SS ute, so I can go 2,4,6,8...

[Godson]

Fuck you. (I mean that in the most lovingly jealous way).












Better yet, no, I don't. I'm just jealous.

[MR2 Fan]

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092751_zpswwbvv6aq.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092758_zps53dvamuf.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092841_zpsvkecjuoq.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092910_zps1fpyzhev.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092810_zps4ajaetem.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20150930_092826_zpsnidxynkr.jpg

[MR2 Fan]

Also a note on the Nav...apparently it's not available unless you buy some other thing from the dealer for several hundred dollars....F that...I'll stick with my phone

[samoht]

Awesome, have fun!

[Crazed_Insanity]

:up:

[Dicknose]

Well done!
I'll have to drop by and you can take me for a spin!

[The359]

The world is flat!

[MR2 Fan]

So after a few weeks of owning the car, I've noticed a few things I want to fix.

First is the speakers are crap...not sure if the previous owner did anything, but they're already buzzing and sound bad.

I plan to have sound deadening installed and different speakers put in, maybe a small sub also, not sure yet. I know this adds weight, but I'm not making a race car.

There's also the offshoot line from the air intake that goes into the cabin, what a strange thing to route all of this plumbing into the cabin just for some more intake noise...I'm probably going to plug that and see the difference, been reading lots of stuff on FT86.com which is a great resource.

Next mods: Headlights, I want the darker ones, and I'd like to get a spoiler and some exhaust tips (rice alert)

[The359]

There's also the offshoot line from the air intake that goes into the cabin, what a strange thing to route all of this plumbing into the cabin just for some more intake noise...I'm probably going to plug that and see the difference, been reading lots of stuff on FT86.com which is a great resource.

Sound tube. I bought this (https://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/product/per1-psp-int-430bk-perrin-intake-hose-black) which comes with a plug that fits the tube all the way down at the firewall and really cleans up the engine bay by removing all that plastic. A lot of the other deletes I've seen only partially remove the tube, which seems like a waste.

It does make a drastic difference in noise, I ran without it for a week before I added my catback exhaust and it was eeriely quiet compared to what I was used to.


Next mods: Headlights, I want the darker ones, and I'd like to get a spoiler and some exhaust tips (rice alert)

I could have sold you my JDM Subaru exhaust tips but I couldn't get them back off my stock catback after I removed it, damn things rusted. :smh:

[Freude am Fahren]

There is a very cheap fix for plugging the sound tube on the cabin side at least.

a) I've heard the cig lighter cap fits perfectly PRO TIP: there's another one in the glovebox :)

b) You can pick up a plastic cap of some kind at Lowe's/Home Depot that fits perfect. This is what I did. They come in two packs, so I actually have an extra, but they're cheaper than shipping, I think. :) You can look it up on FT86, or I can check the package they come in when I get home.

I want to do tips too, as I have the '13, which is before they added the slightly bigger ones. But I figured I'd wait until I do a proper exhaust.

[Yw-slayer]

The stock speakers ARE crap. The stock Toyota head unit that came with the car was also rubbish (I think the Scion one you have is probably better). On my third day of ownership I changed the HU, all speakers, and installed an integrated amp along with some basic sound deadening film. It's still not great because the car is actually quite a noisy car, and as I didn't get custom speaker housings etc. fabricated, but it's much better now.

Once you get a good exhaust you won't mind the soundpipe. :)

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't think the BRZ audio is terrible like most. It's not amazing, but I don't find it worth an upgrade at this point. One thing that does need to be fixed is the rattling speaker surrounds in the doors. I find sticking anything cloth in them (sunglass bags usually) works well. One day I'll get some kind of foam lining or something. I may upgrade to JPM alcantara ones at some point, so I'll wait for that. If there's nothing in the door pockets it's usually not bad.

[Leon]

I'm not really into car audio at all, though I have noticed that I struggle to even hear the stock head unit + speakers in my 86, and it is stock standard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrvhkIivgA
This is a *wonderful* 86 review :)

[MR2 Fan]

Sound tube. I bought this (https://www.rallysportdirect.com/shop/product/per1-psp-int-430bk-perrin-intake-hose-black) which comes with a plug that fits the tube all the way down at the firewall and really cleans up the engine bay by removing all that plastic. A lot of the other deletes I've seen only partially remove the tube, which seems like a waste.

It does make a drastic difference in noise, I ran without it for a week before I added my catback exhaust and it was eeriely quiet compared to what I was used to.



I could have sold you my JDM Subaru exhaust tips but I couldn't get them back off my stock catback after I removed it, damn things rusted. :smh:


I'm going with this intake:

http://www.grimmspeed.com/grimmspeed-cold-air-intake-2013-brz-frs/

lots of good reviews so far and better MPG also, supposedly

[The359]

I'm going with this intake:

http://www.grimmspeed.com/grimmspeed-cold-air-intake-2013-brz-frs/

lots of good reviews so far and better MPG also, supposedly

I know someone with that intake, she likes it. :up:

[MR2 Fan]

I'm getting a different shift knob, not really because I want one, but the stitching on the stock one is abrasive and bothers me, though I haven't noticed many others complaining about this, so maybe I'm just picky.

[The359]

*cough* www.raceseng.com *cough*

Got to support the local guys. ;)

[Leon]

I'm going with this intake:

http://www.grimmspeed.com/grimmspeed-cold-air-intake-2013-brz-frs/

lots of good reviews so far and better MPG also, supposedly

Wonder if it works on RHD cars. Occasionally strange variations sneak in, in the most unanticipated ways.

[Freude am Fahren]

:up: To Raceseng They have a bunch of stuff I want.

[MR2 Fan]

Removed the Scion badging....waiting for the Toyota badges which I may just pick up when I'm Japan...3 weeks from now :hard:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12074807_10153933852336874_2599941571534815021_n.j pg?oh=8c4f1f26127f59921dc9ee39d27e753d&oe=56969386

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12079102_10153933852311874_9040398705504242571_n.j pg?oh=e81616d09bcbb67cde458639e83ec974&oe=5694CEC2

[The359]

japanparts.com is your friend ;)

[MR2 Fan]

japanparts.com is your friend ;)

yeah, but I'm going TO JAPAN. I want to check it out while I'm there, like this pic I took at Super AutoBacs last year:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20140916_142437_zps87d2fd1a.jpg

[Yw-slayer]

Gotta get that fake blue backilghting one. FTW. :hard: :shocker:

[MR2 Fan]

So I found out after randomly browsing FT86.com that the steering wheel has tilt which I knew, but also has whatever the name for moving toward you is...which is cool.

I also set up the "economy" shift setting which basically just tells me what gear I'm in and when to shift up for best efficiency. I also changed the shift light to 7,100 RPM's as it was set at 4,000 RPM's and driving me crazy.

[Random]

Telescoping.

[Yw-slayer]

4k rpm is the break-in limit. Plus the car really comes alive above that.

[CudaMan]

Programmable shift lights are great. The one in the 350Z is so small I never even notice it though.

Congrats on the car btw! One of those would make a fine DD I suspect.

[MR2 Fan]

Programmable shift lights are great. The one in the 350Z is so small I never even notice it though.

Congrats on the car btw! One of those would make a fine DD I suspect.

Thanks!

I really like it so far...a few minor problems like the stereo that I will resolve soon. The seats are also designed for someone of smaller dimensions (read: less fat) , but it's still comfortable and not the fault of the car :p

Also shifting from 5th to 6th is a bit cumbersome, but I've heard swapping to Motul 300 helps a lot.

[The359]

On the flip side, I'm too thin for the seats and slide around a lot. Wish it had the Recaros like in the BRZ tS. :(

[Yw-slayer]

Work out and get some mad gainz, bro.

[FaultyMario]

Gotta get that fake blue backilghting one. FTW. :hard: :shocker:

Isnt that the prius badge? Or is that the irony of it.

[IMOA]

Prius and any other Toyota Hybrid

[MR2 Fan]

my shift knob came in, was just a $35 from amazon but its nice, has good weight and threaded....I'll probably get a raceseng one later with the reverse lockout, etc.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20151016_082914_zpsf5kkfstz.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

Scion used a back lit blue one of their logo on one of their release series versions too.

[MR2 Fan]

wondering if I should just start my own build thread at this point

Anyway, here's what I did today, removed the intake noise contraption with this guide:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7975&page=3

Cleaned up engine bay

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20151018_135748_zpsfftimlgy.jpg

And all of the now useless intake noise maker piping

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20151018_135740_zpsnicquig0.jpg

[The359]

I think you took off even more of it than I did. I think I plugged it at the last 90 elbow, which is down by the firewall.

[MR2 Fan]

I think you took off even more of it than I did. I think I plugged it at the last 90 elbow, which is down by the firewall.

Yeah, when I took that section it had already loosened itself, probably from me trying to put a plug from the inside to fit, which I did once that section was out, so it's plugged on the interior and plugged at the intake tube

[The359]

Quiet now or too quiet?

[MR2 Fan]

Quiet now or too quiet?

I only drove it around the block so far...quiet now, but I'm going to get the Grimmspeed air intake soon anyway which will be louder but proper noises

[Leon]

Annoying rattle somewhere in boot (trunk).

Shall have to investigate that this weekend.

[MR2 Fan]

Annoying rattle somewhere in boot (trunk).

Shall have to investigate that this weekend.

I think that's a known issue, on BRZ's specifically? FT86.com has something about it IIRC

[Freude am Fahren]

Is it a rattle, or a creak? The rear deck is known the creak where some welds break I think. There are numerous fixes. I notice it from time to time, mainly when slow speed turning in parking lots and over bumps and such, but it doesn't bother me enough to fix. Plus, because racecar and all that.

Not sure if it's more of a rattle, maybe some tools near the spare came loose?

[The359]

I have several rattles in the back. The first was annoying because it occurred even on smooth roads, but I took it to the dealer and they had a TSB for it and fixed it. The second is just general creaking anytime I hit a major pothole, but that's no big bother.

One thing to check is that the emergency trunk release isn't dangling and is locked into its spot.

[Yw-slayer]

I don't mind rattling, because, yeah, racecar.

[Leon]

It's definitely a rattle not a creak

[IMOA]

Farewell my 86 brethren, I am now an ex owner. Strangely I miss it more than the S14 because while it didn't have the outright pace that had it had better handling and was utterly hassle free. The one thing it taught me is that I am a driving enthusiast first and a car enthusiast second.

Just a wonderful car and enjoyed every moment.

[Kchrpm]

The one thing it taught me is that I am a driving enthusiast first and a car enthusiast second.
:up:

[Yw-slayer]

We'll always be Bros. Such a great car. My sister's bf suggested I sell it for an Elise and while I love Elises I nearly fell over laughing.

[Leon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZNkb_KUEo

David Vs Goliath?

Me in my 86 (stock, but on good rubber, and with uprated front brake pads) vs 400hp Mustang racecar.

[Fogelhund]

Nice driving and video... that mustang driver sure had no idea where to put that car on the track.

[Yobbo NZ]

My theory is,he finally looked in his rearview mirror and saw that "japcrap" car was still stuck to him,got scared and lost it under brakes....sounds plausible eh?

[novicius]

Yeah he was definitely driving in his mirrors.

[Leon]

Nice driving and video... that mustang driver sure had no idea where to put that car on the track.

Particularly the point where he thought that the track was the nice grassy bit.

[MR2 Fan]

I'm back from Japan, so that means I can now spend more money on mods for my car...like $40 :p

But the results are nice....DC Sports Exhaust tips:

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12314210_10154053933016874_8665219263440533410_o.j pg

[Freude am Fahren]

Speaking of Japan and the 86, have you all seen this abomination?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/chicago-auto-show/news/g6117/the-toyota-86-style-cb-is-perfectly-japanese/
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/07/980x490/ta861502_08.jpg

I know it's not exactly new, but I think they just started hitting the streets. I vaguely remember seeing it at the beginning of the year, but someone posted a picture in one of the FB groups I'm in and it reminded me just how ugly it is. I know Japan is an island and seafood is huge, but you don't have to make your cars looks like catfish...

[Leon]

Strongly dislike.

Looks like somebody hit an 86 with an FTO.

[Phil_SS]

I like it better than the original. [ducks]

[MR2 Fan]

I don't hate it...it seems like they're trying to give it a more 60's european look.

[samoht]

If I was getting a GT86, I'd totally look at importing one of those from Japan. It's different, a bit more rounded, and I'm a sucker for random light-up bits ;-)

It's a pity they couldn't round the rear as well, leaving nose and tail looking a bit disjointed, but it seems kinda cool. The round headlights recall the 90s Celica to me.

[The359]

It's very 2000GT-ish.

[Yw-slayer]

I think it looks ok.

[The359]

I imagine it'd look better without the silly side vent, two-tone paint, and wheels.

[Freude am Fahren]

If you cover up everything from the front wheel back is looks okay. As a whole it's hideous.

[MR2 Fan]

I'm considering getting the Scion tC spoiler for my car. It seems there's only one photo of someone doing it before but it looks good IMO.

The other available ones like this are $600 or more, but I can get one of these for just over $100

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20130107_173717_zpsmrbfzppr.jpg

[Yw-slayer]

It's OK, but why not just get the BRZ's spoiler?

[MR2 Fan]

I don't like the BRZ's spoiler, that's why.

[neanderthal]

That actually looks better than both OE spoilers available here IMO

[MR2 Fan]

should be getting the tc spoiler in a couple of weeks

Meanwhile I decided to do a "what if" photoshop of the Maserati Turismo style grille on an FR-S...I like it:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/ps_zpshhrhu7kb.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

Edelbrock supercharger has been haunting my dreams... Need money...

[MR2 Fan]

Added proper Toyota badging


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160105_092714_zpsz6iorumn.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160105_092702_zpsgbj2yelu.jpg

[MR2 Fan]

Test fitted the tC spoiler today

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160108_150240_zps9s87n9rz.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160108_150230_zpsdbdtkz9p.jpg

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160108_150221_zpspbn4slve.jpg

[Phil_SS]

:up:

[Kchrpm]

I like it :up:

[MR2 Fan]

Honestly I think it looks more like it was made for this car than for the tC

[The359]

I like the shape of it, I just think it sits a little high for the FR-S. It's definitely unique though!

[Kchrpm]

I'm biased, but I like the large lip spoiler on the C7 Z06 with the adjustable clear center portion (http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/2014/082214_4.jpg). Anything like that for the twins?

[MR2 Fan]

Finally installed the spoiler, and also added a black chrome license plate frame

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160131_115616_zpscuknmewu.jpg

I want the Lexon smoked taillights next

[thesameguy]

That really does look good - nice work!

[Yw-slayer]

Not bad. I'm still thinking about new rims.

[Freude am Fahren]

Nice, fits pretty well.

I just installed a full round of LED lights to replace the incandescents around the car. This includes the door/courtesy lights, front turn signals, Dome, Vanity, Trunk, Reverse and License plate lights. The sidemarkers I already had turned to LED when I got the smoked lenses. UNfortunately the lenses weren't sealed properly and netiher side works right now and the plugs are a mess. Need to fix them. Rear signals were already replaced when I got the Tom's taillight assembly.

The 5000k/Pure white is the best color, but they didn't have that available for the Dome and Vanity, so I went with "warm white". Not sure of the temp, but it's a bit too warm, and kinda green, so I'll be exchanging for coolwhite/6000k I think, unless I can find the 5000k bulbs somewhere.

Overall I really like the improvement in look to the car though, makes it look a bit more modern, high-end.

[Yw-slayer]

Drove to the HK Nurburgring last night. Good times, everyone got out of my way (pays off not to tailgate people) and no-one hit the buffalo that decided to take a midnight hike up the hill. I didn't push it too hard, though, as the temperature was cold for hk (around 10-13 celsius) and there was a light drizzle.

[Leon]

Sounds like some of those aftermarket lights have some serious "Chinese knock off nasty" about them, from the list of faults you've outlined.

[Yw-slayer]

I saw another (maybe one of the two or three in HK?) stock blue BRZ on the road this morning. As I don't usually look at my own car being driven around it was good to see how the colour and lines of the car really catch the eye.

[MR2 Fan]

Swapped out the silly looking stock antenna for a fin

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160221_123827_zpsz4chi0z0.jpg
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/20160221_124751_zpsimopggto.jpg

[The359]

Beatsonic? How is the color match on it?

[Freude am Fahren]

I've thought about getting the shorty antenna, especially since I never listen to the radio anyway, don't care about reception.

[MR2 Fan]

Beatsonic? How is the color match on it?

It isn't beatsonic...it's $25 ebay special....and it's black. I figured I'd try it out and if I didn't like it I'd shoot for a better one, but the antenna isn't a big deal to me....also, this one does have an antenna connection and the radio works fine, however 99% of the time I don't listen to the radio anyway.

This one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231715678671?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[The359]

I've thought about getting the shorty antenna, especially since I never listen to the radio anyway, don't care about reception.

I have Perrin's 4" shorty antenna. I don't listen to normal radio, but it has some reception issues with SiriusXM in woods and mountains compared to the stock antenna. Nothing bad, but just noticable. But cutting the antenna height in half looks so much better.

[Yw-slayer]

Why is there so much hate for the stock antenna? It's just an antenna. I've never seen anyone actually look at it, and I myself have never noticed it.

[Biggdogg]

Ive not changed mine but I dont like it. Makes it look like a RC car.

[Yw-slayer]

You guys are clearly looking at the wrong part of the car. Plus RC cars are AWESOME

[MR2 Fan]

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/ps_zpshhrhu7kb.jpg

Quoting myself because I'm planning to go ahead with this grille mod...just deciding how to do it...shouldn't be difficult, just deciding the best way. I have another pic of one on a black or asphalt car as well that I made, not sure where I put it.

I'm not doing much now as I'm going on vacation in a few weeks so putting off anything until then.

One thing that is bothering me is I love seeing these lowered cars, front splitters or stuff like that, but the roads around where I work are horrible and I'm guessing I'll just be scratching/damaging the underside of the car all the time :down:


EDIT: found the other pic I photoshopped of the grille:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/Hamann-Mas22222_zps4ckiddmn.jpg

[Yw-slayer]

How to do it? Don't. :D

[MR2 Fan]

How to do it? Don't. :D

Well the good thing about this is if I don't like it, it's really simple to swap the old one in ;)

[MR2 Fan]

Found a nice pic that I wanted to modify a bit more with how I want my car to look in the end.....the wide body kit is the Rocketbunny kit, not sure if I want that, but the rest is what I like:

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu329/techno9991/aaaaaaaa_zpsuprkpiij.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't like the unfinished look of the Rocketbunny. I'm surprised (an disappointed) there aren't more kits out there, at least one that looks like a simple widebody factory BRZ...

[The359]

Yeah, everyone likes the exposed bolts look, and it gets a no thanks from me.

[Yw-slayer]

It's hard to improve upon near-perfection. ;)

[Godson]

Add power

[Yw-slayer]

Misses the point.

[thesameguy]

Move power to the left?

[Kchrpm]

Get rid of the dip in torque/power right in the middle of the rev range.

[MR2 Fan]

Intake + Header + Exhaust + Open Flash Tablet (+E85 optional) = no more torque dip

Or swap in 2JZ-GTE = no more torque dip

[Yw-slayer]

The dip isn't that pronounced IRL. Plus, I said NEAR perfection.

[Godson]

Misses the point.

Yup, the red point on the far right of the graph...

[IMOA]

Yup, the red point on the far right of the graph...

So I'm wondering, when you post things like that do you have a little chuckle to yourself imaging how breatkingly witty you are or do you imagine that you've just given some sage advice and after 4 years of reading the same comment over and over and over and over again that people who enjoy driving an 86 will slap themselves on the forehead and exclaim 'fuck me, I'd never noticed how much power it has'.

Seriously, what's the fucking point of comments like this? Hasn't everyone on this forum been around long enough that we don't have to impersonate 14 year olds?

[thesameguy]

Must be that time of the month!

[Kchrpm]

I don't know if it was the dip or something else, but my experience with an FR-S was underwhelming for my personal budget and needs (far more highway cruising than curving roads). The price was already at the edge of what I wanted to spend, so immediately spending more money on warranty-voiding upgrades was not a viable solution.

But I'm glad that the people who got them are enjoying them so much. Different people want/expect/need different things.

[Phil_SS]

#porscheonporschecrime

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't know if it was the dip or something else, but my experience with an FR-S was underwhelming for my personal budget and needs (far more highway cruising than curving roads). The price was already at the edge of what I wanted to spend, so immediately spending more money on warranty-voiding upgrades was not a viable solution.

But I'm glad that the people who got them are enjoying them so much. Different people want/expect/need different things.

STOP BEING SO REASONABLE! THIS IS A CAR FORUM, DAMMIT!

[Freude am Fahren]

2017 Toyota 86 (Yes, even in the U.S.)
http://jalopnik.com/the-scion-fr-s-is-now-the-toyota-86-like-it-should-have-1765447611
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Os8CCRnq--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ovfjfrgb2zi9u7grbekb.jpg

Looks fishy... as in like a fish, not suspect. The black bit on the end of the bumper are stupid. Doesn't appear to be an intake, so why ruin the lines?

Added side turn signal/badge? Or just photoshopped Euro model that they missed?

No more boxer badge on the fender? Looks more like the BRZ fender feature now.

[The359]

Yeah, I'm not digging it. The new wheels and tail lights are nice.

The thing on the side is the new 86 boxer badge since they went with a BRZ-style side vent. https://www.instagram.com/p/BDDvbv-IbYQ/

From the spy shots I've seen, the updated BRZ is probably going to have a similar front grill.

[The359]

http://paultan.org/image/2016/03/2017-Toyota-86-Facelift-11-850x637.jpg

New steering wheel with audio buttons, rest of the interior looks the same though. They've ditched the red stitching for gray though.

[Freude am Fahren]

I'm not sure any of those spy shots (at least the ones I've seen) have been BRZs. They all match the new FR-S.

[The359]

Yeah, I just went back and looked and realize they are in fact the Toyota. It just looked like a BRZ because of the side vent being BRZ-style.

[Kchrpm]

Up 5 hp and lbs*ft, wonder if the curve looks any different. Either way, I agree that the beak is not an improvement over the original in this picture, maybe in person it will be more appealing.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, I doubt the curve looks much different, but if they flattened out that dip, that would be pretty big news.

[The359]

I'm also curious how they've changed the gearing. Shortened it, I presume?

[Freude am Fahren]

I missed that. For the AT, MT or both? I don't think the MT really needs to be shortened.

[The359]

..


TORRANCE, Calif., March 17, 2016 – With its new home comes a new name and more. The former Scion FR-S will debut as the 2017 Toyota 86 at the New York International Auto Show with interior and exterior changes, as well as suspension and powertrain upgrades. The new Toyota 86 will go on sale at all Toyota dealerships this fall.

“When we announced the transition of the Scion models to Toyota we hadn’t planned on changing the names of our cars, but by popular demand, for our sports car, we decided to adopt the global name of 86,” said Toyota Division Group Vice President, Bill Fay. “Enthusiasts have a strong association with the front-engine, rear-drive heritage of the ‘hachi-roku’ and the dynamic performance it offers.”

In addition to the Toyota 86 name change, two other Scion vehicles will have new designations for 2017. The Toyota Corolla iM and Toyota Yaris iA will join Toyota’s small car line-up.

For its move to Toyota, the 86 sports car adopts more aggressive styling with a larger center intake emphasizing the low, wide stance of the car. The front of the car has a new design with re-configured LED front headlamps and turn signals, and revised bumper. The rear now sports LED tail lamps and a new bumper design. The alloy wheels feature a twisted spoke design and 86 logos have been incorporated into a badge on the front fender, as well as inside the front headlamps.

The interior also features the 86 logo on the new “Grandlux” material used on the instrument panel surround. The same material adds a new, soft feel to the door trim. Drivers also will enjoy new seating material with silver stitching and a sporty steering wheel with integrated audio controls and an 86 logo on the center hub.

Enhanced control and agile performance are achieved through revised shock tuning and a spring rate change. On the manual version of the car, additional performance comes from a gear ratio change and a torque increase to 156 lb.-ft, as well as a five-horsepower increase to 205 hp. Hill Start Assist Control (HAC) helps prevent the car from rolling back on steep hills.

The new Toyota 86 also will be featured in Formula Drift with racers Ken Gushi and Ryan Tuerck. The drivers, along with Series Champion Frederic Aasbo, will be defending the SR by Toyota race team’s 2015 Manufacturers’ Championship.

[Freude am Fahren]

"Grandlux" :lol:

I wonder what the gearing change will end up being. I know people swap the final for quick accel, but it already tops out at 32 mph in 1st and requires a second shift for 60, and is revving on the highway cruise. Oh well. Maybe a completely new set of gears, so it's not just a final change.

And what of Subaru? I assume it will have the same changes for the most part. They also will be showing a "new" Impreza.

[The359]

I think Subaru is holding off on the new BRZ, just the Impreza is slated for NYIAS.

[Yw-slayer]

Although the new taillights are marginally better, I still prefer the original and THE BEST!!!

This car is NOT a car designed for hours of straight highway driving, although it could deal with Highway One quite well. It is a fantastic car for tight, twisty roads and is hardly lacking in power for those.

[Random]

Cynical folks on another forum think that the gearing change will be a longer 2nd gear so that the car can do 0-60 with a single gear change and look faster on the spec sheets.

[thesameguy]

That was my assumption as well.

There are some RC styling elements going on in the '17. Seems weird.

[MR2 Fan]

I prefer mine...glad it isn't a whole new car that would make mine feel old/outdated :D

[Random]

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l263/camberix/FR-S/4yOlXcH_zpsn1qsy3cl.jpg

:lol:

[Godson]

So I'm wondering, when you post things like that do you have a little chuckle to yourself imaging how breatkingly witty you are or do you imagine that you've just given some sage advice and after 4 years of reading the same comment over and over and over and over again that people who enjoy driving an 86 will slap themselves on the forehead and exclaim 'fuck me, I'd never noticed how much power it has'.

Seriously, what's the fucking point of comments like this? Hasn't everyone on this forum been around long enough that we don't have to impersonate 14 year olds?

My comment wasn't a slam on the car. I honestly dont think i have ever said anything bad about the car. It was more a joking shot towards the comment of 'hard to better near-perfection'

[IMOA]

But I'm glad that the people who got them are enjoying them so much. Different people want/expect/need different things.

Yep, exactly


My comment wasn't a slam on the car. I honestly dont think i have ever said anything bad about the car. It was more a joking shot towards the comment of 'hard to better near-perfection'

It just gets really old to hear the same 'joke' about a car for 4 years. If there's a discussion in context then people don't have a problem but when it's out of context and the same old trolling comment, well, this forum is usually better than that.

Anyway, new one. Front I'm not real sure about, taillights is an improvement but that wouldn't be hard, I like that they've ditched the boxer symbol as I always thought that looked really crap and I'm a bit disappointed that they've added controls to the steering wheel. Yes, it's more practical but I always liked that the old steering wheel reminded you that you were there for driving, not just transport so putting controls there just makes it a little bit commuter car. Oh, and the wheels, finally! My god the 17's were horrible so I think pretty much everyone will be celebrating seeing the back of them

And I reckon Random is right, if they tweak the gearing I suspect it's about 0-60 times and the interesting thing will be whether that extends out to 0-62 (aka 0-100kmh).

[Yw-slayer]

Cynical folks on another forum think that the gearing change will be a longer 2nd gear so that the car can do 0-60 with a single gear change and look faster on the spec sheets.

I'd bet lots of money that it is.

I agree with Greg's other points, especially about the new steering wheel, but I liked the boxer trim.

[Freude am Fahren]

The wheels are still 17", right? Kinda surprised between two makes/models, three trims and four years, they've only ever had one wheel (plus the 16" on the Toyota overseas). I'm not sure about Toyota/Scion, but I think the WRX/STi wheels have the same pattern, so you might expect an optional wheel from Subaru. But the new one is nicer, while still kind of similar. I'd still replace.

I think the gearing change of 2nd allowing 60 (or 62) would make sense. It's kinda like the STi vs. new WRX. Even though the STi is still faster to 60, it could be much faster if it was only one shift like the WRX.

[The359]

The STI wheels for the BRZ are 17x8s in a different pattern. They were used on the BRZ Series.Blue.

[The359]

BRZ update spotted. Daytime running lights integrated into the headlamps, new steering wheel with buttons, all new dials and information center, new stereo design, stitched leather on the passenger dash, faux carbon fiber trim on the center console and door controls, and metallic knobs instead of the gray plastic on the AC controls. The paddles for the AT are also a new design as well.

http://i.imgur.com/cmHifH2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aEDhkZN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/33wgvpY.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

BRZ wins again, lol. Most of the changes bring it closer the other Subarus (Dash display, stereo, headlights, faux carbon). Looks good, mostly :up:

[MR2 Fan]

BRZ looks a lot more premium now, and with the relatively modest front end changes...is now the car to buy between the two of them it looks like.

[MR2 Fan]

I like the ownership of my car, but the people on the 86 forums and fb groups are a bunch of immature kids....must have been gifts from mommy and daddy for a lot of them

[Freude am Fahren]

Yup, for the most part. I do find the BRZ specific forums a bit better. As well as the ones that cover HPDE, Autocross, Motosport, and more technical topics.

[Leon]

No sir, I do not like the buttons on the steering wheel ... Keep It Simple Stupid.

[Freude am Fahren]

Meh, I hear that all the time about the steering wheel buttons, I don't get it. It make even less sense when you have a terrible touch screen and no physical buttons for music control. Also, it's more needed now with the MFD in the dash. I spend 85-90% of the time in my car trying to get from point A to point B. It's not a racecar. You can change the steering wheel if you want it to be a racecar.

#becausenotracecar

[The359]

It's funny, the original stereos sucked because it was all touch screen controls, so you had to look at the stereo to figure out what button to press. Which is when they really needed steering wheel controls. Now they've improved the stereo to have physical buttons, but then add the now redundant steering wheel buttons.

I will say I'm not particularly happy with the new dials (no more physical oil temp and fuel gauge?) and the center console is a bit of a mess. Leather passenger dash, shiny black plastic surround on the stereo, carbon fiber, then matte black plastic at the bottom, all surrounded by silver plastic. It's a horrible mish-mash of colors and textures. I do like the metallic dials on the AC controls, but they should have maybe chromed the flip switches as well to match.

[thesameguy]

No sir, I do not like the buttons on the steering wheel ... Keep It Simple Stupid.

Concur, and it goes back to my '79 Cougar which had cruise control buttons on the wheel - seemed really fancy in '79! But, uh, on cars I have with steering wheel controls I never use them. Of course, I rarely futz with the stereo anyway.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, I did notice that gloss black surround on the stereo didn't fit, was hoping it was a cover, lighting but probably not. I didn't notice the start button surround is still matte black. That should probably also be faux carbon or something.

Also, the wheel buttons don't look particularly good. I guess they are Toyota issue, since hey don't look like Subaru's usual ones.

I like the addition of the MFD, but I don't like the fact that they got rid of the analog fuel and water temp gauges. I guess with the way temp gauges work now, that's kinda moot though. The new Speedo is a huge improvement, and I'm betting it means that there will be no permanent digital speed display, but rather just one of the pages of the digital display? The bit of display that goes over into the tach looks odd though, so maybe there will be speed there.

[Yw-slayer]

Yup, the new front-end of the BRZ looks far better than that of the 86. I still hate that new steering wheel though, and am more than happy with my front end.

[The359]

Sitting in Rockefeller Center in NYC

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/1913695_10153338181575689_193870574044683284_n.jpg ?oh=c83d4f74470e4f0cf9dbe79ed558defa&oe=578FDB31

Nope, nope, nope.

[CudaMan]

Don't give me any of this "becauseracecar" anti steering wheel button nonsense.

http://www.ck-motorsport.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ADAC-GT-Masters-2013-Nissan-GT-R-GT3-Nismo-JRM-Racing-Cockpit-1024x682.jpg

:)

[Godson]

Don't give me any of this "becauseracecar" anti steering wheel button nonsense.

http://www.ck-motorsport.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ADAC-GT-Masters-2013-Nissan-GT-R-GT3-Nismo-JRM-Racing-Cockpit-1024x682.jpg

:)

I was kinda thinking the same thing. Just didn't want to be accosted :-p

[thesameguy]

I don't think becauseracecar was the issue - well, at least not for me. I don't want things cluttering up my interface that I don't use. Cruise control and radio controls are things I don't much use in the first place and they can get the eff out of my way. If something on the wheel provided a valuable function then I'd have no objection to it being there. There are a LOT of things I'd like to see on the steering wheel - one thing that comes immediately to mind is a wiper swipe - I'd about kill for that! But cruise and radio controls can piss off.

[CudaMan]

Honestly the few cars I've had with steering wheel audio/cruise buttons I've really enjoyed it. It beats reaching for a knob on the stereo or fumbling for the right spot on a touch screen over a bumpy road to change tracks/stations or whatever. And, where else would you put cruise? On the wheel makes the most sense.

I'll admit some cars are getting so many steering wheel buttons, some for strange functions, that it can seem like too much.

P.S. - in the race car I have buttons to navigate menus and sub-displays, even.

[thesameguy]

Totally hear you - but I just don't mess with the radio much and I don't even remember the last time I used cruise control. Possibly in Y2K when I drove the Alfa back from New Jersey... I wanted to see if it would set at 150mph. #youngandstupid #Wyoming

I get why they're there, but as I just don't use them I would prefer not to have them. In 2016, I can't fathom why we don't have generic, user-assignable buttons. Like I said, I would kill for the wiper to be on the steering wheel. :)

[TheBenior]

I'm fine with steering wheel buttons if they're done like they are on my 2008 Mazdaspeed3 or my 2014 CX-5. The second gen Mazda3s, OTOH, were a bit too busy with too small of buttons for me.

2008 Mazdaspeed3:

http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/2008-mazda-mazda3-5dr-hb-man-mazdaspeed3-sport-steering-wheel_100285467_l.jpg

2014 CX-5
http://www.thesmokingtire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/HB4sPOvQyKmmrgaZRDfPkfGcTlMmpJkmbTKcIapXbGkoJDByBd uYfHCkDCxQ4izes9vDzV9opcABaqjYx0SanM1.jpeg

2010 Mazdaspeed3:
http://media.caranddriver.com/ez/images/reviews/car/10q1/2010_mazdaspeed_3-long-term_road_test_intro/gallery/2010_mazdaspeed_3_steering_wheel_photo_25/3205612-1-eng-US/2010_mazdaspeed_3_31_cd_gallery.jpg

[IMOA]

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Porsche-Cayman-GT4-2015-Genf-Autosalon-Live-19.jpg

Because driverscar, not racecar.

[Godson]

:lol:

[Yw-slayer]

The point here is that the buttons don't integrate well with the wheel, and make it look rubbish.

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't see a big convenience difference between a stalk and a wheel button, so wiper swipe and cruise are fine for me.

tsg, you're in the minority not using cruise or stereo. I guess it can be a factor of your driving situations, but if you're one of those people that is on the highway constantly speeding up and slowing down, you're dead to me.

[thesameguy]

In those rare situations where I am not passing, I am better than any cruise control. Trust.

I guess paying attention to the road and my driving probably puts me in even a smaller minority, so whatever.

[Yw-slayer]

I hardly use cruise in the BRZ. It doesn't suit the character of the car.

Stereo track forward/back and volume up/down buttons might be nice to have, but not at the expense of making the steering wheel bulbous and ugly. Seriously fucking horrible.

[Freude am Fahren]

Sorry I want to let a computer adjust the pedal to maintain 75mph for two hours straight. :rolleyes:

[The359]

Yeah, why the cruise control hate? Maybe because I daily the BRZ, I use it like any old car most of the time.

[The359]

In all honestly, amongst steering wheel controls, these are some of the most basic and non-intrusive I've seen on a new car. The Focus ST is the polar opposite, with multiple tiers of buttons.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, they don't look intrusive, which is good. Just ugly.

Just for reference:
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/legacy/legacy15-steering-wheel2.jpg

Current Subarus have cruise on the wheel, the MFD is the big thing at 8:00

[Freude am Fahren]

Also, the wheel rim itself is different. It's just solid rubber, rather than perforated or whatever the current is. Maybe thicker too?

[Yw-slayer]

Sorry I want to let a computer adjust the pedal to maintain 75mph for two hours straight. :rolleyes:

The longest I've ever used cruise control for in the BRZ is, maybe, 10 minutes. Our roads just don't require use beyond that timeframe. Within that period, I find that it's better just to modulate speed oneself. I definitely don't daily drive the BRZ.

That said, if you're going to just touch cruise control twice in 2 hours, then it might as well be on the stalk (where it currently is), rather than making the steering wheel look repulsive.

[The359]

Also, the wheel rim itself is different. It's just solid rubber, rather than perforated or whatever the current is. Maybe thicker too?

Yeah, its definitely a different material. I noticed it on both the 86 and BRZ. Not sure if thicker.

[IMOA]

I use cruise every morning travelling in tunnels with speed cameras and when doing long drives. For example last Sunday was 700 miles down a freeway) through areas with strict speed enforcement (hidden cameras, 2 mph tolerance before you get a ticket on a 70mph speed limit) so you use cruise control the whole time. I'm perfectly happy with it on a stalk and I'd call bullshit to anyone claiming they can maintain speed more accurately than a modern cruise control.

[MR2 Fan]

The only thing I keep messing up on my FR-S is the stereo buttons that I used to have on my tC. They were pretty basic and unobtrusive:

http://images.gtcarlot.com/customgallery/interior/77704908.jpg

[Leon]

I simply don't like steering wheel buttons.

Not because racecar, or because otherwise. It's just a thing I don't like. Much like asparagus.

[The359]

For what it's worth, this was the original planned steering wheel on the BRZ:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3977&d=1326266427

Phone, audio controls, and cruise control.

[MR2 Fan]

if anyone wants to see some build stuff on youtube, this channel "B is for Build" has some great stuff...they're re-building two salvaged BRZ's and also have a Lotus Evora and a '68 Camaro

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl4-WBRqWA2MlxmZorKOV7w

[CudaMan]

I'll grant the styling and layout of the steering wheel buttons on the facelift FT86en looks pretty bad.

Wish my 350Z had steering wheel controls. That's one car that does them right, IMO.

http://media.automanager.com/wmphotos/021409/2c05ce2969a04dbb88ef9595b0a9579c/4dc29ed9bc_640.jpg

[Kchrpm]

"I don't use cruise control because I actually pay attention to what's going on when I drive, unlike most people"

Oh please do get over yourself lol. Some of us live where the highways aren't constantly bogged down, so you can just stick it on 5-10 over the speed limit (whatever makes you feel comfortable in the eyes of the law) and keep it there.

[JoshInKC]

"I don't use cruise control because I actually pay attention to what's going on when I drive, unlike most people"

Oh please do get over yourself lol. Some of us live where the highways aren't constantly bogged down, so you can just stick it on 5-10 over the speed limit (whatever makes you feel comfortable in the eyes of the law) and keep it there.
QFT. My 80 mile/day commute is pretty much entirely highway miles at highway speeds. Only occasionally do I need/want to take it off of a set cruise speed.

[Freude am Fahren]

And "paying attention to what's going on when you drive" is a lot easier when you don't have to pay attention to a screen in your car (speed). Duh.

[thesameguy]

"I don't use cruise control because I actually pay attention to what's going on when I drive, unlike most people"

Oh please do get over yourself lol. Some of us live where the highways aren't constantly bogged down, so you can just stick it on 5-10 over the speed limit (whatever makes you feel comfortable in the eyes of the law) and keep it there.

Esscuse me? First off, I live in Sacramento and not LA or SF, so the freeways are rarely and predictably bogged down. Second, I rarely if ever drive in the traffic that does exist - I have the luxury of planning my days around it. Third, I drive all over the place for work (Fresno, SF, SJ, Tahoe, Redding, Modesto) - my mileage check is usually around $400, which means I'm driving about 800 miles monthly on top of my commute. Fourth, you may recall the girl's family is in SoCal so I make at least 3-4 1400 mile trips annually - in fact I'm doing it again next week. Fuck, I used to *work* in West Hollywood, driving to and from there four times a month. Back in those days my annual mileage was approaching 50k! I have never used cruise control and I don't see a value in it. What is the point of taking my foot off the pedal? I still gotta have my hands on the wheel, it's not like I can check out and do something else. I just don't feel that modulating the gas is that much work and I strongly prefer my feet be checked in at all times.

That's great if you use cruise, it's great if you feel comfortable taking your extremities off the controls, it's great whatever you do. It's not for me. I don't use it, don't like it, and don't need the buttons to make it go.

[thesameguy]

And "paying attention to what's going on when you drive" is a lot easier when you don't have to pay attention to a screen in your car (speed). Duh.

Jesus Effing Christ.

[Kchrpm]

That's great if you use cruise, it's great if you feel comfortable taking your extremities off the controls, it's great whatever you do. It's not for me. I don't use it, don't like it, and don't need the buttons to make it go.

Then there's no need for the "I'm better than you" attitude of insinuating that people using cruise control aren't paying attention.

[thesameguy]

Then there's no need for the "I'm better than you" attitude of insinuating that people using cruise control aren't paying attention.

I was not insinuating that people using cruise control meant not paying attention. It was stated that I was in the minority not using cruise control, and I stated that I am probably also in the minority paying attention. I wasn't correlating the two statements, only indicating I'm not upset about being in any sort of minority.

[Godson]

Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska. The lands which cruise was invented for.

[Yw-slayer]

Perhaps the ONLY reason to put cruise control, uh, controls on the steering wheel is to that your knee doesn't nudge it into "Ready" when driving, as sometimes happens on the Legacy where it IS on a stalk.

Or they could just move it to a stalk which is slightly higher up (just like it was ON THE ORIGINAL BRZ), rather than jam it on the steering wheel to make it ugly as fuck.

The new daytime running lights look OK though.

[The359]

So, I saw the new 86 at the NYIAS last weekend. The car was marked as a prototype and locked, but you could still see inside. Unlike the press car from a few pages before, this car was silver and had an alcantara dash with the 86 logo embroidered on the passenger side, so maybe they're still figuring out what to do with the interior trim, or it's just for the US? The taillights are ok, I didn't even realize the "diffuser" was a slightly different design. The new wheels are nice (and equipped with Bridgestones instead of Micheling Primacies). The new 86 logo on the fender looks extremely cheap and tacked on at the last second. The VSC Sport button has also been relabeled as Track, probably still doesn't turn the TC completely off.

The face is still an ugly fish though. The new "mustache" actually has a horizontal lip that extends out beyond the nose of the car, which is odd.

On the upside, the original deep red Scion FRS Concept Car was there as part of Scion's demise, and looked stunning, if completely impractical. No actual FR-S, even the new Release Series 2.0, was present, and Subaru had a bog standard BRZ Limited in typical white.

[The359]

Here's some quick crappy cellphone snaps

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[Freude am Fahren]

That is one metal tC :hard:

[MR2 Fan]

Car on the right....did YW sneak in and mark that car?


http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1660&d=1459621277

[The359]

It was basically a rolling boombox that was, thankfully, not turned on.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Scion-Slayer-tC-concept-101-626x382.jpg

[Yw-slayer]

it was a special edition model for last year's SEMA. Not a fan of the car.

[Kchrpm]

http://jalopnik.com/mississippi-states-lightweight-subaru-brz-hybrid-is-100-1771825421


Power figures haven’t been released, but Doude says 0-60 numbers are close to 5.7 seconds, or about a second faster than a stock BRZ.

“Man, those motors must be really powerful,” you must be thinking., but that not necessarily the case, as the vehicle only weighs 2,904 pounds, or 80 pounds over stock.

Yes, a plug-in hybrid BRZ weighs less than 100 pounds more than the gas version—that’s remarkable, especially considering that MSU says the interior is almost entirely stock (i.e. it hasn’t been stripped down), and the trunk volume has not been encroached upon by the rear motors.

[thesameguy]

I am pretty sure I would buy that... although I'd want to see a full compare vs a Volt. Damned cool regardless.

Speaking of the Volt, it's interesting these guys used an 850cc motor vs the Volt's full-on Ecotec. I know the Ecotec struggles to keep up with the Volt's energy demands at high load - I wonder how the snowmobile motor keeps up? And, how loud is it?

[Freude am Fahren]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2662805&postcount=1633

Don't know where the info comes from exactly, but anyway,



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xJG7oLbtobI/V0b5OQkaMoI/AAAAAAAApp8/KAAYO24bAccR8RcXlxYzrvy8uVMZlb2hwCLcB/s1600/subaru-brz-2017-upgraded-3.jpg

Subaru's 2017 BRZ features better performance, more aggressive styling, more features and an all-new track mode that's sure to offer enthusiasts a superior overall driving experience.

In terms of performance, the 2017 BRZ boasts updated coil springs and dampers, as well as a larger rear stabilizer bar. Further reinforcements were made to the chassis by modifying the strut tower braces, transmission cross-member plate and the rear wheel housings in order to increase the car's rigidity.

For improved handling, the stability control system thresholds were raised, resulting in a dramatic change to the car's behavior - so much so that Subaru changed 'Sport' mode into 'Track' mode.

As for the 2.0-liter boxer engine, it now has new valves, camshaft and cylinder heads to go with its new aluminum intake manifold and redesigned exhaust manifold. The result is a slight increase in power to 205 HP and 156 lb-ft (211 Nm) of torque and better acceleration on 6-speed manual transmission models thanks to the new lower final drive ration (from 4.1 to 4.3:1).

Customers craving more can opt for the Performance Package, available on Limited spec versions. It includes Brembo calipers and larger rotors on both front and rear brakes, giving drivers a sizable boost in terms of stopping power, fade resistance and pedal feel. Also included in the package are the SACHS Performance shock absorbers and the unique 17" black aluminum wheels.

Styling-wise, the 2017 BRZ presents a redesigned front bumper, upgraded "Kono-Ji" style LED headlights, standard DRLs on all trims, LED fog lights, body-colored rear spoiler, full-LED taillights plus the new 10-spoke 17" alloys available on the two spec versions (Premium and Limited).

Inside, the Limited model comes with a 4.2" LCD multifunction display (6.2" on Premium spec), providing the driver with information such as lateral Gs, accelerator pedal position, braking force, steering angle, oil and water temperature, plus battery voltage and an integrated stop watch for recording your lap time whenever you find yourself on a race track. Also, those who prefer the automatic transmission will get to shift gears via the paddle shift controls. More subtle interior upgrades include the wrapped meter visor, updated HVAC control panel and "BRZ" embroidered in red on the front seats.

With Subaru Starlink smartphone integration and apps such as iHeart Radio and Stitcher, the 2017 BRZ is a well-connected car. It's also comes with Bluetooth hands-free phone connectivity and audio streaming, plus SiriusXM Satellite Radio, TravelLink and a handy Rear vision camera.

The 2017 Subaru BRZ is due to arrive at retailers in early September, though customers will need to wait until winter 2017 until the Limited version with the Performance Package arrives.

Pretty serious changes for just 5hp, I'd like the see the whole curve. Maybe they improved on the dip from the factory? Also hoped they changed the gear ratios too. Shortening the final without a change to at least 6th is going to be rough on the highway.

The wing is terrible. Also, did they get the specs backwards? The Limited being above the Premium, I would think would get a larger display.

I like the front end changes, and there was one spy shot of the LED Fogs which are nice and small to fit in the new front area.

Much better than the Toyota update IMO.

[Freude am Fahren]

Ahh, here's some official stuff: http://www.subaru.com/2017-brz.html

Wonder if these will be cheaper than aftermarket BBK's (probably not)
http://subarupmd.edgesuite.net/content/media/mp_fullscreen_1920/brembo-brakes.jpg

Special edition yellow model to be announced in a couple weeks, basically a tS spec one supposedly, maybe just a color + performance package? Like Hyper blue
http://subarupmd.edgesuite.net/content/media/mp_fullscreen_1920/specialseriesy.jpg

[Kchrpm]

I'd like the see the whole curve. Maybe they improved on the dip from the factory?

Fingers crossed.

[Freude am Fahren]

Considering they changed the header and that seems to be the way to fix it, I'd bet it's better, but still there.

[thesameguy]

I am wondering if the new manifold is indicative of losing the stupid hybrid fuel injection scheme. That'd be dope.

[Freude am Fahren]

Nope.


The direct-and-port-injected 2.0-liter SUBARU BOXER® engine has been retuned to provide up to 205-hp. Coupled to a close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission with revised ratios, BRZ offers enhanced mid-range responsiveness to your back road adventures.

[thesameguy]

Bah. That is some ridiculous engineering.

[MR2 Fan]

Isn't that the part the Toyota side engineered? Probably why it's staying, so they can lay claim to something in the engine design :p

[MR2 Fan]

the wing looks more like the style I added to my car, but smaller and flimsier looking

[thesameguy]

Isn't that the part the Toyota side engineered? Probably why it's staying, so they can lay claim to something in the engine design :p

Yeah, probably true!

[novicius]

As a never-gonna-own-one, the redesign looks decent to me. :up: #ihavenotaste

[Freude am Fahren]

The only think I don't like is the wing. Also, they should have given it the top level Starlink. Apparently there's no Nav in BRZ's currently, and wont be in '17. But considering the '13-'15 (?) Nav is useless, so not a loss, but they could have fixed the problem. I like the Nav in my mom's Outback.

The FA20DIT is direct only, right?

[thesameguy]

Yeah, I'm sure it is. Only Toyota is solving a problem that doesn't need solving, like "How does someone make the ugliest car possible?"

http://carsintrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Toyota-Prius-2017-4.jpg

[novicius]

:lol:

[IMOA]

Isn't that the part the Toyota side engineered? Probably why it's staying, so they can lay claim to something in the engine design :p

It's to stop the carbon build up in the ports and on the back of the valves and works very well. I'm a bit surprised that anyone doesn't like it to be honest and would be intrigued to know why.

[thesameguy]

It is pointless complexity. 10+ years later there are millions upon millions of direct injected cars on the road and none of them are having "back of valve deposit" problems. In 2005 Toyota's tech would have been defensible, we didn't know how theoretical the theoretical problem was. But in 2016? The problem isn't even as much of a problem as the historical/conventional deposit problem has been and continues to be. For those unusual situations where deposits form and become an issue, 20 minutes and $50 on an intake cleaning machine sorts it out. Silly to build in that type of prevention.

[The359]

I agree that the new wing isnt as good as the current wing. I'm curious how much the performance pack will be.

I'm guessing the yellow one will be a visual package without the tS upgrades.

I personally have had no problems with the nav in my car, other than it panicking and trying to reroute off a highway if it thinks there is an "event" ahead.

[thesameguy]

... and before you say anything everyone else solved this issue with injector positioning and/or software. Including Subaru. Just not Toyota.

[Yw-slayer]

Wing and new rims look fine to me.

[Freude am Fahren]

So the new BRZ info panel is kinda neat. Has an interesting little artificial dyno plot, which is very odd, but if accurate, it does indicate the dip is still there.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=138937&stc=1&d=1466327765

I doubt it does any calculations, just highlights based on RPM where you are on the graph.

[IMOA]

Thats pretty similar in concept to the screen in the Porsches. It's a good system but the stuff like the dyno plot is a gimmick, it'll just be based on rpm and another factor (probably airflow or tps). the two pages I use the most are temps and tyre pressures and then nav when actually using it (dash 3D and zoomed in for next turn, screen in dash zoomed out an an overview of route). The lap timer looks interesting though, any idea what else is needed to get that to work?

Personally my ideal dash these days would be a nice central Tacho which also contains a digital speedo and a programmable screen either side

[The359]

I was wondering that as well, how does the lap timer work? Built in GPS?

I assume this car wont have nav in the information screen though, it looks far too small.

[Jason]

Oddly enough, my car can give me my latitude and longitude, even though it doesn't have navigation.

[Random]

"Doesn't have."

[Kchrpm]

It's probably just a software change, with the GPS hardware already built in.

[Freude am Fahren]

It's a good system but the stuff like the dyno plot is a gimmick, it'll just be based on rpm and another factor (probably airflow or tps).
I think it's just a graphic of the stock dyno plot, and then a dot/line that travels along it based on RPM alone. If you're not at full throttle, it's probably still showing the same image. That's how I interpret the fact that the line is already there above the bit that's been traveled already.


The lap timer looks interesting though, any idea what else is needed to get that to work?


I was wondering that as well, how does the lap timer work? Built in GPS?


It's probably just a software change, with the GPS hardware already built in.

Probably just a simple stopwatch with a "lap" feature like on most digital wrist watches. The bottom left looks to show a diagram of what buttons on the wheel to press for each task. I doubt it has anything to do with GPS.

Speaking of GPS, I just learned that the 2016 BRZ got a new headunit and no option of GPS. The 2017 uses the same head unit, so maybe no GPS still anyway? Not sure about the 86 proper, which I believe gets this dash in some spec (not in the US, I think).

By the way, the new engine is named FA20H and is only in the M/T. A/T still gets the FA20D.

[Kchrpm]

I was referring to Jason's car giving him lat/long w/o navigation. Manually setting a reset location is possible, but more complex than just a stopwatch as you described.

[Jason]

It's probably just a software change, with the GPS hardware already built in.

Yup. And it's possible that Toyota/Subaru use a 'standard chipset' or something in all of their head units, or in many of their head units, regardless of screen size/navigation software. That was kind of the point of my post.

[IMOA]

Is your phone connected to the car? It could easily be getting location from there.

[Jason]

It is, but I don't think its grabbing data from my phone. I'll test it with airplane mode on.

[Random]

It's probably just a software change, with the GPS hardware already built in.

Yup. When you buy the Ford in-dash NAV, you get an SD card with all the maps on it, and the dealer activates the NAV portion of the factory headunit. A quick scan of the forums indicates that no one has figured out how to hack that yet.

[thesameguy]

It's probably just a switch with VCM/IDS/whatever. That's how it works with GM & tech 2. Maybe a license code or something is needed, though, since $300 to Alibaba and a copy of someone's SD card doesn't seem that difficult. :)

[Freude am Fahren]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmxtdbJW8AAQ_C_.jpg:large

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a29871/ferrari-458-v8-toyota-86/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGiwQx1kNiY&ab_channel=DonutMedia

Ryan Tuerck is nuts.

[The359]

I wonder if he's going to fees the intakes from under the windshield or build a new airbox, since it's, you know, backwards...

[Freude am Fahren]

Looks like the frame/firewall under the window is cut away, so I'm guessing from the cabin somehow? Maybe a roof scoop :lol:

[Crazed_Insanity]

That thing obviously doesn't fit!!!

[Freude am Fahren]

Replaced the stock exhaust. Finally no more micro-tips. It has a really nice deep sound. The higher in the revs/pitch, the closer it gets to stock, which is kinda nice, so it's not much louder when you ring it out, but much louder when putzing around :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBuIkYgGdAg

BTW, so glad I got a pair of exhaust hanger pliers. Would have killed myself if I hadn't.

[MR2 Fan]

I replaced my micro-tips within the first few weeks, since they're really easy to remove and replace with DC sports tips.

I want to get a full exhaust setup eventually...but a quiet, deep one.

[The359]

I don't think I put this video in this thread, for comparison.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-AT1KfW_XI

Is yours a 2.5 or 3", FaF? And yes, there would be no way to get the stock hangers off after all this time. I actually cut mine off and simply bought new ones.

[Freude am Fahren]

2.5 Inch. I almost bought the Perrin but after reading a lot about the midpipe having no real effect vs. stock, I didn't see any reason to get it over the Nameless, which from what I'd seen in videos I liked the sound of, just a touch more, and it was about $250 cheaper.

I'm going to get more videos this weekend.

[Freude am Fahren]

So, despite the above post, I'm getting restless with the BRZ :lol:. Currently the thoughts running around in my head are 1) supercharger/flex fuel, 2) Focus RS, 3) M2+debt for daaays, 4) Wait it out and see what the '18 STi brings.

Maybe because I barely get to ride the R6 during the summer is part of the reason.

[Leon]

With having two other modified cars, I'm very happy to leave the 86 stock as my daily driver, as it means it isn't eating all my money (unlike the other cars).

The 86 is in at the dealer though, as it threw a check engine light. It appears to be being triggered by a fuel sender fault if the codes Toyota have pulled off it are correct.

That said, the fuel gauge has been behaving entirely normally, so I don't know what the hell the error is.

Fuel economy on the car has measurably become worse as I've owned the car, which is disappointing. The car used to get 12 ish km per liter of petrol consumed. It has steadily become worse until the last couple of tanks, which are down to barely over 10.

[MR2 Fan]

With having two other modified cars, I'm very happy to leave the 86 stock as my daily driver, as it means it isn't eating all my money (unlike the other cars).

The 86 is in at the dealer though, as it threw a check engine light. It appears to be being triggered by a fuel sender fault if the codes Toyota have pulled off it are correct.

That said, the fuel gauge has been behaving entirely normally, so I don't know what the hell the error is.

Fuel economy on the car has measurably become worse as I've owned the car, which is disappointing. The car used to get 12 ish km per liter of petrol consumed. It has steadily become worse until the last couple of tanks, which are down to barely over 10.

It could be as simple as the fuel cap not being tightened enough

[Yw-slayer]

Wait for the 2018 STI, then you'll have the most options. That may include selling the BRZ to me (if it's stick) so that I can keep it in England. Lol

[Leon]

It could be as simple as the fuel cap not being tightened enough

Fuel tank sender apparently.

They've ordered one from Japan (not overnight), should be here in 10 or so days.

[thesameguy]

My Jag does that, gauge works fine, but the sender is dodgy at about 70% full and it trips a CEL. So annoying. Why should a fuel level sender problem result in me checking the engine???

[Leon]

My Toyota has a Jag fault?

This shakes me to my core ... ;)

[Yw-slayer]

I was overjoyed to get back into my BRZ after 3 German cars.

[Yw-slayer]

I think the plan, if it's still allowed by then, is that when my eldest starts studying in in the UK (which is likely to be at least 10 years from now) I will ship the Legacy or the BRZ over there. Possibly only the Legacy, since if my wife goes over on her own she won't be able to drive the BRZ (she only has an auto licence) and it would be nice to have a sedan there with a bit more room. Eventually the BRZ can go over too.

Of course, by then, it may be near-impossible to find petrol stations.

[thesameguy]

My Toyota has a Jag fault?

This shakes me to my core ... ;)

Does it help if I tell you all the electronics, including the fuel level sender, are made by Denso?

[Leon]

Well the car isn't on fire, so I am assuming from that, that it isn't Lucas.

[thesameguy]

:lol:

True, true.

[Yw-slayer]

I am thinking about fitting the STI flexible strut tower bar. Does anyone have anything to add to the stuff on this thread? http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22441&page=3

[IMOA]

On a scale of 1-10 of the difference this will make a strut bar is a 1 and the camber bolts are a 10.

[Yw-slayer]

Don't worry, I still have them.

[The359]

I have mine too, never installed them. :|

But buy the STI strut bar. For the pink.

[Yw-slayer]

Maybe camber first, then the strut bar.

If I can find the camber bolts.

[The359]

1933

Hitting dealerships in the US this week. Build sites are finally up on Subaru and Toyota's US websites. Toyota is pure base model, no leather, push-button start or upgraded trim levels like the Monogram. Fog lights, rear wing, and nav system are only options. Numerous TRD parts are available for dealer install, including two different sets of wheels.

BRZ still has basic Premium and upgraded Limited. Performance Package with Brembos, Sachs dampers, and different wheels is $1200 option on Limited only. STI bodykit and black wheels are also dealer installed options.

[Godson]

What are they calling it again?

[Kchrpm]

Toyota 86

http://www.toyota.com/86/