Politics

[Crazed_Insanity]

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/

Why is this in political thread?

NC is a blue state which voted for Obama, no?

Are you implying blue liberals are dumbasses?

Or perhaps you're just mocking Americans in general? :p

[21Kid]

Who's to blame for Trump's rise to fame? Obama of course. (http://theweek.com/articles/593880/republicans-are-now-blaming-barack-obama-donald-trump-seriously) BRILLIANT!

If Trump gets the nomination, Fox News star Bill O'Reilly tells his viewers, "he should send Barack Obama a very nice gift for making that possible." You see, Obama's unwillingness to keep Americans safe from terrorism and the fact that "he continues to allow people to illegally enter America with impunity" has filled Americans with so much rage that they have turned to the candidate most willing to share it. The brain trust on Fox & Friends agreed that it's only because Obama so obviously doesn't care about America that "when Donald Trump comes out with something that seems extreme, then people say, 'Okay, at least I can say he's looking out for you.'" :twitch:

[Freude am Fahren]

You do know people can have a differing political opinion to their state's majority, yes? And that alternate forms of energy are relevant in politics? And that this was a rejected city council issue?

Could it have gone in the science thread? Sure. Is it wrong here? No.

[overpowered]

Why is this in political thread?Because it's a political dispute.


NC is a blue state which voted for Obama, no?2008, yes. 2012, no.


Or perhaps you're just mocking Americans in general? :pIdiots, in general. Party is irrelevant though. You're reading into it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The problem with politics is that people often think the other side is idiotic, that's why we can't get along...

South really has a lot more to gain with solar power. To be honest, I really didn't realize solar power is that political.

[overpowered]

Anyone who thinks that solar panels are taking sun away from anything that's not underneath the solar panels is an idiot. Anyone who thinks that they kill nearby plants or cause cancer is an idiot.

Fossil fuel company propaganda has made it political. However, modern manufacturing methods have brought down the price that anyone who's doing the numbers is finding that they make a lot of economic sense for a lot of people and even businesses now. You can only be so right wing until it starts costing you money that you can actually see.

[FaultyMario]

How do solar panels work, just light into electrical current? No chemical reactions? Are they thermally efficient?

I mean, it would be understandable if people touched the panels and they stayed irradiating heat after ambient temperatures had dropped.

That would have some empirical validity, but stuff talking heads have feed them with? Jeesus!

[overpowered]

Light to electrical current:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics

They can get rather warm and they lose efficiency if they get too hot. They're not throwing off enough heat to effect nearby plants though. There are some systems that use liquid to cool the the back of the panels and transfer/store that heat for use in water or home heating. Such systems are not typically used in solar farms though. They tend to mount the panels on frames over clear ground and allow plenty of air to make contact with the back of the panels which limits heat build up. Modern panels are also thinner than older ones which again limits heat build up.

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10153720523313936

[SportWagon]

Anyone who thinks that solar panels are taking sun away from anything that's not underneath the solar panels is an idiot. Anyone who thinks that they kill nearby plants or cause cancer is an idiot.
People who think people who are misinformed are idiots are misinformed.

Those people, who think misinformed people are idiots, are misinformed.

Anyone who thinks misinformed people are idiots is misinformed.

[Crazed_Insanity]

:up:
If we all can just calm down and try to understand and inform one another...

[21Kid]

Sorry SW, but thinking that solar panels can somehow suck up all the sun... :erm: That's a bit crazy. That goes WAY beyond misinformed.

[21Kid]

This is way past funny old Trump... things are getting scary.


Multiple protesters affiliated with a local group that supports the #BlackLivesMatter movement were forcibly removed from Donald Trump’s presidential campaign rally at the Westgate Las Vegas Resort and Casino on Monday evening.
The commotion began shortly after Trump, who is currently a frontrunner in the GOP primary, took the stage. Trump invited a supporter named Jamiel Shaw to join him. Shaw’s son was shot and killed by an undocumented immigrant gang member in 2008.

“I always ask people, what would you do? What would you do if an illegal alien in an 18th Street gang was released from the county jail you know and into our neighborhoods?” Shaw asked the crowd. “We don’t know what’s going on. That’s why we need Donald Trump.”

As Shaw spoke, Austin began shouting. “That’s why we need gun control!” Austin yelled. “If there were no guns he wouldn’t have got killed.”

Austin said he had planned on staying at the rally, but felt he needed to interject when he did because he believed Trump was unfairly using the death of Shaw’s son to justify anti-immigrant policies. “The majority of issues with gun violence are not with undocumented persons,” Austin said. “And to parade that as though this is the reason why we should deport millions of people and destroy millions of lives was disturbing to me.”

Austin added that his “heart is with” Shaw’s family for the “loss that they’ve endured.”

Afterward, protesters told Yahoo News they are also planning more demonstrations for the Republican debate that will be held at the Venetian casino on Tuesday. One protester ejected from the rally, Ender Austin III, said Trump supporters shouted “Hail Trump!” as he was carried out. In video of the incident, a man can be heard yelling for Austin to be set “on fire.” :(

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sorry SW, but thinking that solar panels can somehow suck up all the sun... :erm: That's a bit crazy. That goes WAY beyond misinformed.

So what do you propose that we do to those WAY beyond misinformed?

[Crazed_Insanity]

http://www.spring.org.uk/images/circleornot.jpg

Is this a circle to you? Your answer will reveal whether if you're a liberal or conservative!

Article: http://www.spring.org.uk/2015/12/is-this-a-circle-what-the-answer-reveals-about-you.php

[MR2 Fan]

The GOP is like "Whose Line is it Anyway?", where everything's made up and the points (poll numbers) don't matter.

[SportWagon]

http://www.spring.org.uk/images/circleornot.jpg

Is this a circle to you? Your answer will reveal whether if you're a liberal or conservative!

Article: http://www.spring.org.uk/2015/12/is-this-a-circle-what-the-answer-reveals-about-you.phpI would think the correct answer would be to seek clarification of the terms of reference.

Could be an XKCD representation of a circle. Although I thought sometimes they used mechanically drawn ones.

Actually I suppose Right Wing people would insist a circle should have no thickness to its line, and this actually represents at best a rough approximation of two concentric circles.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If you're unwilling to just accept it as a 'circle', then you're probably leaning a bit on the conservative side. :p

Hardcore conservatives would probably tell you straight up that it ain't a circle.

But I suspect this test probably won't work well for everyone. DN is probably a pretty liberal guy, and he probably won't accept this as a circle...

[overpowered]

Poorly drawn ellipse; but I do have a math degree.

A circle is a special case of an ellipse, like a square is a special case of a rectangle.

[overpowered]

Donald Trump is breaking the white supremacist internet: Stormfront forced to upgrade servers to deal with Trump traffic surge

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/10/donald_trump_is_breaking_the_white_supremacist_int ernet_stormfront_forced_to_upgrade_servers_to_deal _with_trump_traffic_surge/

[21Kid]

It amazes me how they don't see the correlation...

[21Kid]

"Like all of you, I'm angry” is how Carly Fiorina began her opening statement. That sentence encapsulates not just last night's two-hour debate in Las Vegas but also the entire Republican nominating contest thus far...

:smh: Is that really all there is to it? Just scare people into voting for them? :|

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

[21Kid]

My uncle is one of those conspiracy theorists. :( He's a very smart man too. An Architect. :smh: I don't understand how people can think that something like this could be pulled off, if it was a conspiracy... or why they would even want to.

[MR2 Fan]

I didn't watch the GOP debate, did we figure out which ones are the Sith Lords yet?

[overpowered]

Jordan Klepper does a focus group on Trump supporters to find out why.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/h2l2ij/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-who-s-actually-supporting-donald-trump-

Some of them would even support Trump if he wanted to have a national registry of jews. :smh:

[FaultyMario]

Currently working for an intnl consortium researching the failure of Mexican public policy directed towards poverty reduction. The case being that Brazilian and Colombian PPs are copied from the Mexican model and are much more effective and doing it for much less money per capita.

I spend time out in the field. A county of 30,000 with a semi-rural township of 9,500.

For all the goodwill, effort and money that goes into designing and operating these policies/programs, it's incredible how much damage one ill intended individual can do at the bottom of the pyramid. I guess that large, complex and disenfranchised societies are terribly difficult to govern.

I can see why people making a living in disinformation and astroturfing are successful. It doesn't take much to light a fire based on people's fears and insecurities. Multiply that with the help of the intelligence-denouncing media and you have Trump, Putin, Ana Botella, et al.

[thesameguy]

Ugh. You should seriously start a blog. I doubt most people understand the truth of what you just wrote.

[Dicknose]

My uncle is one of those conspiracy theorists. :( He's a very smart man too. An Architect. :smh: I don't understand how people can think that something like this could be pulled off, if it was a conspiracy... or why they would even want to.
I could see why someone might want to, power and money to various dept and the military. I've seen some outrageous stuff happen in large companies when someone wants to "empire build", do things that hurt the overall business but gets them ahead.
What I couldn't see is such a complex conspiracy happen, too many people involved to do it. Certainly much harder to get someone to die for it.

[overpowered]

I didn't watch the GOP debate, did we figure out which ones are the Sith Lords yet?

Trump was psycho, as expected.
Cruz was psycho, as expected.
Rubio was psycho, as expected.
Christie was psycho, as expected.
Paul was psycho, as expected.
Carson was stupid, as expected.
Fiornia was stupid, as expected.

Jeb and Kasich seemed like the most sane of the group, which isn't a very high bar.

Trump was actually trying to defend his plan to go after the families of ISIS members in violation of both U.S. and international law.

[overpowered]

That price gouging pharma guy gets arrested for something completely unrelated, securities fraud:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/shkreli-fraud-charges.html

Just an all around scum bag.

[MR2 Fan]

That price gouging pharma guy gets arrested for something completely unrelated, securities fraud:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/shkreli-fraud-charges.html

Just an all around scum bag.

...and just a day after i saw an article where he was going to pay some rapper's bail money of something like $2 million, and also was going to make his own rap album??

Oh, and he also bought Wu-Tang's "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin", the album where only one copy was ever made. I guess he thinks he's down with the homies at this point.

[Freude am Fahren]

In almost related news, that douchebag that killed 4 people driving drunk then claimed he wasn't at fault because he was rich and didn't know right from wrong, and got off on 10 yrs probation has run.

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https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1240207236005921

[tigeraid]

I sense a pattern.

[21Kid]

All schools shut down in Augusta County, Virginia, over Islam homework (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/us/virginia-school-shut-islam-homework/index.html)

"There was no trying about it. The sheet she gave out was pure doctrine in its origin,"
"I will not have my children sit under a woman who indoctrinates them with the Islam religion when I am a Christian,"
"This is so WRONG! There is only ONE GOD and HIS NAME is JESUS!" :| So, they shut down school because of a geography lesson, trying to show how difficult calligraphy is. Granted they should have used different text. The school acknowledged that and are changing the lesson. But, apparently that wasn't enough. So, they are closing the entire county school system because of security concerns.

[Freude am Fahren]

It was a section on actual religion though. They had already gone through Christianity and Judaism without any problems. I'm sure they all said "One nation, under God" that morning too :rolleyes:

[George]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1240207236005921


I sense a pattern.

I question some of those maps. For example, is there no teenage pregnancy in New York, New Jersey, and the rest of the northeast? And almost none in California and Florida?

No diabetes in those areas either?

It's also nice to see there is no venereal disease at all west of the Mississippi River, except some east of Las Vegas and that large hotbed of sinning in western Kansas, the southwest corner of Nebraska, and eastern Colorado. Gotta watch out in farm country. :lol:

On the Education slide, it appears the lighter colors indicate fewer years of school attendance. If so, why are all the college grads located in Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho, with none in southern California or the northeast?

But I like the Hillary quote, if it's true.

[LHutton]

Teeheehee...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shkreli-resigns-turing-ceo-securities-174905827.html


Shkreli resigns as Turing CEO after securities fraud arrest

Why?

http://worldmustwakeup.com/2015/09/22/turing-pharmaceutical-buys-right-to-aids-drug/

[Freude am Fahren]

I question some of those maps. For example, is there no teenage pregnancy in New York, New Jersey, and the rest of the northeast? And almost none in California and Florida?

No diabetes in those areas either?

It's also nice to see there is no venereal disease at all west of the Mississippi River, except some east of Las Vegas and that large hotbed of sinning in western Kansas, the southwest corner of Nebraska, and eastern Colorado. Gotta watch out in farm country. :lol:

On the Education slide, it appears the lighter colors indicate fewer years of school attendance. If so, why are all the college grads located in Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho, with none in southern California or the northeast?

But I like the Hillary quote, if it's true.

Obviously the quality of that image makes them all near impossible to read actual numbers, but from the ones that are somewhat clear, you can see even the lightest colors (pregnancy, Diabetes) aren't "none." They are the lowest percentage, or amount, a range that starts at 0. Or sometimes simply a lack of data.

As to education, any large metropolitan area (SoCal, North East) will have education issues. It appears to be % of high school class graduating (I'm guessing how many start as freshman and finish vs. don't graduate). Lots of dropouts is large metro areas typically. The prevalence of large and prestigious universities in those areas is irrelevant.

[MR2 Fan]

30% of republicans support bombing Agrabah, except it doesn't exist

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/way-too-many-people-are-in-favor-of-bombing-the-city-from-al?bffbnews&utm_term=.bq42xPb9e#.rywV65mgP

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1240207236005921

It's been like that when Jesus 1st visited earth. He would usually hang around people who are poorer, sicker, less educated... However, Jesus isn't the root of humanity's problems. He is here to set folks free. Yeah, the slaves are now free in the US... and percentage-wise, more black folks believe in Jesus than white folks. Why is that? Is it because more black folks are just dumber? No, it's because they've experience the grace of God. Just like the healthy probably have less appreciation of doctors than the sick...

Anyway, shouldn't this be a religious thread? I seriously doubt Jesus is into politics. I also doubt all evangelicals or baptists are Republicans.

[21Kid]

This guy is just dismantling the state of Wisconsin. :smh:
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed two pieces of legislation Wednesday that dramatically alter the election and campaign finance landscape in the state.
The first new law dismantles the nonpartisan Government Accountability Board -- an independent elections and ethics panel -- which has been held up as a national model because it's run by six former judges rather than partisan political appointees.
In its place will be two different commissions overseeing ethics and elections, ran mostly by partisan appointees put in place by the governor and legislative leaders.
The second law relaxes campaign finance rules, doubling the limit for individual contributions, eliminating the requirement that donors must identify their employer and allowing corporate donations to political parties and legislative campaign committees.
Walker held no public ceremony for these dramatic changes, signing the bills in a private event. The Associated Press noted that news of the signings came from a tweet from the author of the GAB legislation. Walker's office later put out statements confirming what he had done.

[LHutton]

I slipped and accidentally raped her.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/millionaire-ehsan-abdulaziz-who-said-he-accidentally-tripped-and-penetrated-teen-is-cleared-of-rape-a6774946.html


Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape

:erm:

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1243493019010676

Er, paraphrased.

[overpowered]

Pharma-bro fired.

http://secondnexus.com/social-commentary-and-trends/perspectives/it-keeps-getting-worse-for-ceo/

[LHutton]

Pharma-bro fired.

http://secondnexus.com/social-commentary-and-trends/perspectives/it-keeps-getting-worse-for-ceo/
7 above.

http://gtxforums.net/showthread.php?82-Politics&p=59081&viewfull=1#post59081

[MR2 Fan]

Truly sickening...and I'm afraid this shit will get worse before it gets better

:smh:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/us/virginia-school-shut-islam-homework/index.html

[LHutton]

Well the law in the US says 'no religion' in schools. Somewhat of an over-reaction though.

[thesameguy]

If one line of incomprehensible text can break a faith and start a new one, it's some mighty good text. I'd definitely follow that religion.

[Freude am Fahren]

There is a difference between teaching, or establishing a religion in school, and teach about (a) religion in school, especially as it pertains to history, geography, anthropology, arts, etc.

[MR2 Fan]

There is a difference between teaching, or establishing a religion in school, and teach about (a) religion in school, especially as it pertains to history, geography, anthropology, arts, etc.

Exactly, I took a class in my public school (in the U.S.) CALLED World Religions.

[Crazed_Insanity]

30% of republicans support bombing Agrabah, except it doesn't exist

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/way-too-many-people-are-in-favor-of-bombing-the-city-from-al?bffbnews&utm_term=.bq42xPb9e#.rywV65mgP

19% of democrats are in favor of bombing it too!

So the lack of bi-partisan support means Aladdin can now feel safe at home without having to flying carpet bomb America back!

[Cam]

Who would Jesus bomb?

[MR2 Fan]

Shit got real on Maddow's show last night:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/rachel-maddow-shames-gov-rick-snyder-michigan-kids-were-poisoned-under-your-watch/

[Freude am Fahren]

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[LHutton]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-19/huge-fukushima-cover-exposed-government-scientists-meltdown#comment-6945135


Fukushima radiation just off the North American coast is higher now than it has ever been, and government scientists and mainstream press are scrambling to cover-up and downplay the ever-increasing deadly threat that looms for millions of Americans.

Following the March 2011 meltdown at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, reactors have sprayed immeasurable amounts of radioactive material into the air, most of which settled into the Pacific Ocean. A study by the American Geophysical Union has found that radiation levels from Alaska to California have increased and continue to increase since they were last taken.

[TheBenior]

Naturalnews.com reports:

There's a credible source.

[overpowered]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3hB3iOQKjY

[overpowered]

http://i.imgur.com/SnyMoVu.jpg

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8pABJ1VcE

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[Dicknose]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-19/huge-fukushima-cover-exposed-government-scientists-meltdown#comment-6945135

What a load of junk.
"everything will be fine in a few billion or so years", yet points out that the isotopes they are measuring have half lives of 2 and 34 years.
And radiation levels are up 50%, wow that's a big fat nothing. Yes there are background levels but they are generally so low that safe levels are hundreds to thousands times larger. You know otherwise swimming in the ocean would be a big risk of radiation damage rather than drowning.

Yes it's important to monitor levels, but it's hardly "world ending" if there is a 50% increase. Come back when it's 10* or more.

[Rikadyn]

like when they talked about the leak having released 230 tonnes of radioactive water, and never stating how much water that really was besides a big number, turns out it is about 1/5 of an olympic swimming pool

[G'day Mate]

I remember seeing a news bulletin from the USA which showed Japan on a map, with a line of wobbly green clouds making their way across the ocean to the USA, as if all the radiation was making a beeline for their west coast.

And then there was Nancy Grace ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncey9ShigUs

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nVKrcBYlP8

[LHutton]

What a load of junk.
"everything will be fine in a few billion or so years", yet points out that the isotopes they are measuring have half lives of 2 and 34 years.
And radiation levels are up 50%, wow that's a big fat nothing. Yes there are background levels but they are generally so low that safe levels are hundreds to thousands times larger. You know otherwise swimming in the ocean would be a big risk of radiation damage rather than drowning.

Yes it's important to monitor levels, but it's hardly "world ending" if there is a 50% increase. Come back when it's 10* or more.
That may be true for the West Coast but the scale of Fukushima has been underestimated. It's similar in scale to Chernobyl.

[LHutton]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1056573417728519
Care to show any evidence as to why Putin is the most corrupt man in the world? When you consider the level of campaign contributions and lobbying in the US, that picture is pretty ironic in fact. Most of the complaints about Putin seem to stem from billionaires whining about being jailed for not paying their taxes, because tax payment is mandatory for the rich in Russia, not optional, like it is in the US.

[21Kid]

One of my right-leaning friends just posed this question to me:
So if like to know why nobody is even asking where Hillary was for the almost 6 minute break as the debate continued? Why was she missing? What's up with that?my response: Going to the bathroom? Playing Angry Birds? Why does it matter?
Perplexed by this line of questioning, A quick search seems to point to this being an issue for Republicans at the moment. :erm:
Doing a little (very little) more searching points me to the answer.

Clinton apologized to a live television audience for returning late from the ladies’ room after the break.

The reason is one many women are familiar with: An unexpected line for the loo. While Clinton waited for the ladies’ room to clear out, time ticked down, and the debate organizers allowed the show to go on without her.... :| Is this really what they are worried about when there are so many serious issues a the moment?!?

Every time I am just baffled by the next level they take it to. I keep thinking it can't get any crazier than this. But, yet they prove me wrong every.single.time. :smh:

his response:
Ok. If it was a bathroom break I'd think that they would give her "first dibs" since she is the reason everybody is there! Also I've read a few things about her health not being the greatest, which nobody reports about.

Just want to know why the delay that nobody seems to be asking about. That's all.

[FaultyMario]

Clinton probably wasted 20 or 30 seconds wiping the seat, or doing a pre-flush.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Clintons have a history of giving folks the impression that they're hiding something. From the sex scandal to the emails. It certainly didn't help things when you disappear off during a live debate.

[21Kid]

Clinton probably wasted 20 or 30 seconds wiping the seat, or doing a pre-flush.

:lol: :up:

[overpowered]

Bernie Sanders web site blocked on military bases.

http://www.bipartisanreport.com/2015/12/21/veterans-bernie-say-sanders-website-blocked-military-bases/

[21Kid]

Reagan's Daughter: My Dad Would Be 'So Appalled' By GOP Presidential Candidates (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reagans-daughter-my-dad-would-be-so-appalled-by-gop-presidential-candidates_567824cde4b06fa6887de7be?ncid=txtlnkusa olp00000592)
In an interview with me on SiriusXM Progress, Davis said her father, who was shot in an attempted assassination by John Hinkley Jr. in 1981, would not be able to imagine today’s gun violence. Davis also noted that in stark contrast to current GOP presidential candidates and most Republican leaders, her mother, Nancy Reagan, was “very happy” about the Supreme Court’s historic decision on marriage equality.
Responding to a question about Sen. Ted Cruz often positively invoking her father’s name on the campaign trail and during debates, Davis said, “It may be this week he’s doing it more than the others. But they all kind of do it. But yet, they are so not like him. My father would be so appalled at what’s going on. He would be so appalled at these candidates. I don’t think he would be a Republican. And if another Ronald Reagan came along right now, I don’t think the Republican Party would accept him.”

[Crazed_Insanity]

Bernie Sanders web site blocked on military bases.

http://www.bipartisanreport.com/2015/12/21/veterans-bernie-say-sanders-website-blocked-military-bases/

There is no berniesanders.com, but a go.berniesanders.com.

When I type the address without go, my browers still redirects me to the proper site. Maybe the military base has outdated browsers. I find it hard to believe they would selectively choose to block certain candidates...

If this were true, more reason we should vote for Sanders. Hillary is just more of the same... just like I don't feel Obama was that much different than W when it comes to war on terror or financial reforms...

[thesameguy]

Could be that berniesanders.com is using some shitty redirect and that's why it's not working. Lots of security devices block redirects to prevent hijacked sites from dumping malware. If I were the military, I'd be doing that.

If that's the case, Bernie needs to fire his web team.

[overpowered]

Trump wins lie of the year from Politifact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/21/2015-lie-year-donald-trump-campaign-misstatements/

[overpowered]

Care to show any evidence as to why Putin is the most corrupt man in the world? When you consider the level of campaign contributions and lobbying in the US, that picture is pretty ironic in fact. Most of the complaints about Putin seem to stem from billionaires whining about being jailed for not paying their taxes, because tax payment is mandatory for the rich in Russia, not optional, like it is in the US.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=putin+corruption

[overpowered]

Could be that berniesanders.com is using some shitty redirect and that's why it's not working. Lots of security devices block redirects to prevent hijacked sites from dumping malware. If I were the military, I'd be doing that.

If that's the case, Bernie needs to fire his web team.It's a redirect within the same domain. That really shouldn't be a security issue.

[LHutton]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=putin+corruption
Pretty slim evidence compared with:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=US+government+corruption

[21Kid]

Donald Trump took aim at Hillary Clinton in vulgar terms Monday night, saying that her bathroom break during the last Democratic debate was just too "disgusting" to talk about and then stating she "got schlonged" by Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential race. :erm: I bet this will make his poll rise.

[Freude am Fahren]

I bet thinking about Hillary in the pisser already made his poll rise.

[George]

*giggle*

[thesameguy]

It's a redirect within the same domain. That really shouldn't be a security issue.

There are a plenty reasons why it could be, though, and I can certainly see the gubment not taking the chance.

[tigeraid]

*Sigh* :rolleyes:


http://gawker.com/the-woman-who-called-the-police-because-she-thought-her-1749294447


On Sunday, an 82-year-old woman called the police in Brown Deer, Wisconsin, because she heard her neighbor chanting “ISIS is good, ISIS is great” during sex. Authorities found no evidence that a terror plot was afoot, or even that the scary sex shouts happened at all, but nonetheless told the woman to call back if she heard anything else.

According to reports, the unnamed woman called 911 claiming that she heard her neighbor yelling frightening things, and told the officers who arrived on the scene that—I’m going to spell this out again in case you missed it in the first paragraph—she heard her neighbor chanting “ISIS is good, ISIS is great” during sex.

[thesameguy]

Seems normal enough... I mean, what do you guys chant?

[21Kid]

Hail Hydra! :o

[speedpimp]

There is a former forum member from back in the old GTF days who is on Facebook whose posts primarily consist of how great Isis is and how cute Isis is. Isis is the name of his dog.

[George]

How many remember this TV show from Saturday mornings long ago?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNMJRFGuXL0

[Jason]

*Sigh* :rolleyes:


http://gawker.com/the-woman-who-called-the-police-because-she-thought-her-1749294447

I'm gonna go out on a very short limb and predict she's a Trump supporter.

[LHutton]

How many remember this TV show from Saturday mornings long ago?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNMJRFGuXL0
Or in today's case, the power to behead pointlessly and kill off your own race.

[thesameguy]

There is a former forum member from back in the old GTF days who is on Facebook whose posts primarily consist of how great Isis is and how cute Isis is. Isis is the name of his dog.

It's my friend's dog's name too. Cute little pitbull.

[Freude am Fahren]

I really hate that we (they?) call them(selves?) ISIS. I guess they use that name too when speaking English? Do they refer to themselves in English? I wish we could go with ISIL or that other one, Deash? Isis was already a name, though not that popular, plus, Archer...

[thesameguy]

Plus, you know, like ancient Egypt...

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/uploads/2014/06/isis34.jpg

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeiZCAmBf8

Separation of church and state is not something Ted Cruz believes in.

[overpowered]

https://vimeo.com/128373915

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayGJ1YSfDXs

[Freude am Fahren]

Plus, you know, like ancient Egypt...

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/uploads/2014/06/isis34.jpg

:lol: That was like the biggest reason I meant to put and forgot :|

[thesameguy]

I just had to explain to a "friend" the same issue with ISIS being Isis and it was hot on my mind. :D

[overpowered]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110421211523/archer/images/f/fd/ISIS_Logo.jpg

[Tom Servo]

I'm late to this, but here's a curl on the redirect from https://berniesanders.com/



MacBook-Pro:project bnilsen$ curl -v https://berniesanders.com
* Rebuilt URL to: https://berniesanders.com/
* Trying 2400:cb00:2048:1::be5d:f3be...
* Connected to berniesanders.com (2400:cb00:2048:1::be5d:f3be) port 443 (#0)
* TLS 1.2 connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256
* Server certificate: *.berniesanders.com
* Server certificate: RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3
* Server certificate: GeoTrust Global CA

> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Host: berniesanders.com
> User-Agent: curl/7.43.0
> Accept: */*

< HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
< Server: cloudflare-nginx
< Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 04:48:49 GMT
< Transfer-Encoding: chunked
< Connection: keep-alive
< Set-Cookie: __cfduid=d067badfcc819a477b59bd69c722f5e0114508461 29; expires=Thu, 22-Dec-16 04:48:49 GMT; path=/; domain=.berniesanders.com; HttpOnly
< Cache-Control: private, max-age=0, no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0
< Expires: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:01 GMT
< Location: https://go.berniesanders.com/page/content/splash
< Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=15552000; preload
< X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
< CF-RAY: 25916fb4e2660097-IAD

* Connection #0 to host berniesanders.com left intact


Looks like a standard redirect that even NCSA Mosaic would honor.

[overpowered]

NCSA Mosaic might have issue with TLS 1.2 and SHA256, but TLS 1.2/SHA256 is a good thing. Looks like they're using a modern web server.

Maybe one of the offshoots that continued after the last NCSA release in 1997 could handle it but even SSL 3.0 is considered bad now.

[Tom Servo]

True, I was just focusing on the redirect itself. It looks like they're running everything through Cloudflare, which should be pretty standard.

[thesameguy]

IMHO the two things working against it are the 302 and the RapidSSL cert. Temporary redirects always raise eyebrows (I've experienced that with government entities being unable to reach pages) and RapidSSL certs are not recognized 100%. On the browser end they are typically not a problem, but if you have something inspecting traffic in the middle there is a reasonable chance the authority will not be recognized. I'm not saying it's NOT a conspiracy, but intentionally blocking one domain seems unlikely *and* there is enough going on here that I'd give the armed forces the benefit of the doubt. Bernie should not be doing a pointless 302 and should be using a guaranteed 100% recognized cert authority.

[LHutton]

I really hate that we (they?) call them(selves?) ISIS. I guess they use that name too when speaking English? Do they refer to themselves in English? I wish we could go with ISIL or that other one, Deash? Isis was already a name, though not that popular, plus, Archer...
Well Lexus hate them using 'IS'.

[FaultyMario]

"Isis" was my favorite song from the NoAlternative CD.

Kim Deal is a great pop lyricist.

[JoshInKC]

Correct. Last Splash is an honest-to-god secret masterpiece of the 90s.

Like 20 years ago, my best friend said "Kim Deal is the coolest person in the world, and there's two of her." I couldn't really disagree.

[thesameguy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/62/94/5d62942657759fa4b5fc7a6a6c871061.jpg

:up:

[overpowered]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/white-house-cia-supply-terrorists-weapons-topple-assad-u-s-military-feeds-syrian-govt-intel-isis/

:smh:

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvSDEQY3D8

:?

[overpowered]

http://bulletin.represent.us/boehner-tobacco-lobby-checks

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=969255196445510

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=948510928517920

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1237673889582279

[overpowered]

Popular Economist Robert Reich Explains That Bernie Sanders’ Programs Are A Good Deal For Americans

http://reverbpress.com/politics/economics/robert-reich-explains-sanders-policies-cost-america-nothing-video/

[thesameguy]

I'm not saying Bernie is right, but I'm absolutely willing to give his plan a go.

[LHutton]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/affluenza-teen-ethan-couch-detained-mexico-officials/story?id=35984791


A teen whose drunk driving defense included a witness who said he was afflicted with "affluenza" was detained in Mexico after allegedly failing to check in with his probation officer and disappearing earlier this month, authorities said.

Ethan Couch, who is now 18, was convicted in 2013 of four counts of intoxication manslaughter after a drunk driving accident but avoided jail. Instead, he was sentenced to 10 years probation, sparking outrage among the victims' families.

[SportWagon]

That made Canadian international television news coverage (CTV). Not sure why.

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10153848249988259

[overpowered]

So now the teabaggers think Paul Ryan is a muslim because he has a beard.

http://www.bipartisanreport.com/2015/12/30/43015/

[thesameguy]

He must be a Muslim, because he's no hipster and he's clearly no Jedi.

Well, maybe Amish?

[Freude am Fahren]

I love how a bunch of those people have beards too... WTF? Is it because there's are old and white/gray and Ryan's is young and black?

[MR2 Fan]

CLEARLY JESUS WAS ALSO A MUSLIM!!

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e8/81/e8812044d99dd48cf73ae460c2c524ed.jpg

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckUQU86KA0

[Freude am Fahren]

Haha, "Eddie Munster has a Muslim Beard."

[LHutton]

CLEARLY JESUS WAS ALSO A MUSLIM!!

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e8/81/e8812044d99dd48cf73ae460c2c524ed.jpg
And Santa.

[speedpimp]

I love how a bunch of those people have beards too... WTF? Is it because there's are old and white/gray and Ryan's is young and black?

Yes his beard makes them feel threatened. If they were walking down the street and Ryan's beard came walking towards them they would hold onto their wallet/purse and cross to the other side of the street.

[Rikadyn]

Yes his beard makes them feel threatened. If they were walking down the street and Ryan's beard came walking towards them they would hold onto their wallet/purse and cross to the other side of the street.

http://www.attalus.org/translate/misopogon.html

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsLhyNJBh8

[overpowered]

Another armed insurrection, this time with Cliven Bundy's sons and their militia:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/three-of-cliven-bundys-sons-militia-seize-federal-building/article/2579459

[FaultyMario]

Will people, finally, realize that backing the Al Sauds is standing on the wrong side of history?

[speedpimp]

Info (http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison) on case of the two men that Bundy's sons are supporting.

[Freude am Fahren]

#YallQaeda and #YeeHawd are trending on twitter :lol:


:(

[overpowered]

US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

[overpowered]

Jimmy Carter: The U.S. Is an “Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery”

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/30/jimmy-carter-u-s-oligarchy-unlimited-political-bribery/

[JoshInKC]

I had a Geography Professor who generally referred to it as a "Corporatocracy," which I prefer, but oligopoly works too.

[overpowered]

Why aren’t we calling the Oregon occupiers ‘terrorists?’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/03/why-arent-we-calling-the-oregon-militia-terrorists/

[MR2 Fan]

DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/terror-threat-homeland-security/index.html

[G'day Mate]

Build walls around them

[overpowered]

A List of The Republican Presidential Candidates Who Supported Cliven Bundy

http://www.bipartisanreport.com/2016/01/03/a-list-of-the-republican-presidential-candidates-who-supported-cliven-bundy/

[overpowered]

Republican candidates stay quiet on Oregon standoff

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-candidates-stay-quiet-on-oregon-standoff/2016/01/03/b8b9806c-b239-11e5-9388-466021d971de_story.html

[Cam]

That "Good Guy With A Gun" cartoon belongs in here now.

[overpowered]

Fiorina And Carson Defend Saudi Government, Which Cites Sharia Law To Execute 47 People

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fiorina-carson-saudi-arabia-executions_56894931e4b0b958f65beac9

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1065692043483323

[LHutton]

Some people are obviously still trying to complete Oregon Trail.

Apparently this is the issue:

The father and son already served jail time for this. A federal judge (not Oregon judge, keep in mind this was Oregon's land, not federal land that was burned) said the original prison sentence was too short after both had served their time and ordered them back to 4 year prison terms. The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction in this, and that's what they're so pissed off about. It's not federal land and didn't cross state lines.

[novicius]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1065692043483323
:lol: :up:

[Fogelhund]

We’re a nation of laws,” Marco Rubio said. “No matter how worthy your cause may be, you cannot violate the law. If you don’t like the laws, we have a republic where you can change them, and in this instance, I’m not even sure what the change would be.”

“This idea that you can just violate the law with impunity is not something I support,” he added. “If we stop becoming a nation of laws — whether it’s on immigration or the use of lands — you begin to disintegrate as a republic and it undermines our whole system.”

[Fogelhund]

Some people are obviously still trying to complete Oregon Trail.

Apparently this is the issue:

The father and son already served jail time for this. A federal judge (not Oregon judge, keep in mind this was Oregon's land, not federal land that was burned) said the original prison sentence was too short after both had served their time and ordered them back to 4 year prison terms. The federal government doesn't have jurisdiction in this, and that's what they're so pissed off about. It's not federal land and didn't cross state lines.

It was federally owned land. The minimum sentence is 5 years for arson on Federal lands, so the mistake of the lower court was corrected.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

[Freude am Fahren]

Every once in a while, Marco Rubio says something that really makes sense. But then he goes and ruins it by continuing to talk. That is exactly right even if he was pandering with the immigration mention.

[LHutton]

It was federally owned land. The minimum sentence is 5 years for arson on Federal lands, so the mistake of the lower court was corrected.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
Okay, from where I posted that response:



Although you're correct, I think you're missing the real issues. First being that a state level court agreed the punishment didn't fit the crime and reduced their sentences, which they served. I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that you can't be retried (and by extension, re-sentenced) for a crime after already a verdict is reached. On top of that, from the reports I've read, it seems that the federal judge isn't requiring them to finish the remainder of a 5 year minimum, but actually requiring their time to start over.

I think if the lower court got it wrong and the federal courts didn't rectify it immediately and the guy has already served the time, then the feds should simply accept that a mistake was made, reprimand the lower court appropriately, but forget about the re-sentencing. It's not exactly fair to send someone back to jail for the same crime after they've been released. Seems unnecessarily cruel and unjustified.

[Fogelhund]

Okay, from where I posted that response:



I think if the lower court got it wrong and the federal courts didn't rectify it immediately and the guy has already served the time, then the feds should simply accept that a mistake was made, reprimand the lower court appropriately, but forget about the re-sentencing. It's not exactly fair to send someone back to jail for the same crime after they've been released. Seems unnecessarily cruel and unjustified.

They have been credited with time already served. Keep in mind, court proceedings and decisions take time, and it seems likely that was the case here. Note... the government appealed the case before their sentences were completed, it was successful, then an appeal by the Hammonds was filed in early 2014, that was rejected, finally sentencing in late 2014... and Plus these are hardly people who deserve any leniency, which is should seem obvious with the current actions.

[LHutton]

They have been credited with time already served. Keep in mind, court proceedings and decisions take time, and it seems likely that was the case here. Note... the government appealed the case before their sentences were completed, it was successful, then an appeal by the Hammonds was filed in early 2014, that was rejected, finally sentencing in late 2014... and Plus these are hardly people who deserve any leniency, which is should seem obvious with the current actions.
I don't know, if you've been to prison and are just starting to get back on your feet, being re-sentenced for the initial crime seems unfair. Sure, you could argue that state court fucked up, but that's not the fault of the accused.

This isn't the first of this type of run in either, it seems that the BLM is trying to drive people off land.

[21Kid]

:smh: Oooh the Hypocrisy.

[thesameguy]

What the Federal Government typically wants is decreased revenues and unused land. Those are FACTS.

[LHutton]

Unless they plan on using the land, or selling it, for something else, like fracking or solar farms.

[overpowered]

https://twitter.com/fatdownjacket/status/683701477915807745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

:lol:

[Fogelhund]

I don't know, if you've been to prison and are just starting to get back on your feet, being re-sentenced for the initial crime seems unfair. Sure, you could argue that state court fucked up, but that's not the fault of the accused.

This isn't the first of this type of run in either, it seems that the BLM is trying to drive people off land.

It's called the legal system, where both the accused and accuser have the right of appeal. Part of the due process that is a critical part of most criminal systems. Proceedings were started before they were out of jail... that it was dragged out is partially due to appeals by the Hammonds themselves.

I don't disagree that it seems as though BLM are trying to drive people off the land, to create more preserve land... That isn't an excuse for illegal poaching, illegal arson, or illegal entry, and armed occupation of property that isn't theirs. There are legal means, and really it doesn't matter who you are, the law is the law....

[LHutton]

With all that in mind, I think the best option here is to back of this persecution. It seems like it could incur a large amount of deaths for the sake of a few years sentence that will never be served either way.

[Fogelhund]

With all that in mind, I think the best option here is to back of this persecution. It seems like it could incur a large amount of deaths for the sake of a few years sentence that will never be served either way.

Persecution?

So, you support armed takeovers and occupations? By anyone? Threatened violence?

The Hammonds are already in jail.

Seriously, have you even researched any of this, I mean other than by Twitter "news", because you've been wrong on just about every "fact" here.

[Freude am Fahren]

The Hammonds have said that they don't support the occupation, and that they will report to prison peacefully today (maybe they have by this point).

[Cam]

By Carlos Latuff (https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX0O-FvWYAA7g9o.png

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8dUg-EwAwI

He's sticking to his stupid.

[Freude am Fahren]

I cannot believe that's real.

[G'day Mate]

... yeah :|

[MR2 Fan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-government-gone-wild_568ad2e6e4b06fa688831eed?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00 000018

[overpowered]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX5zKJTWEAA7_Mc.png

[overpowered]

Bernie gives it to Alan Greenspan in 2003:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaW32ZTyKE

[Yw-slayer]

"Temporary" ban on Muslims entering the US "until we can figure out what's going on". :lol:

[G'day Mate]

Cognitive dissonance is the best kind of dissonance

[LHutton]

Persecution?

So, you support armed takeovers and occupations? By anyone? Threatened violence?

The Hammonds are already in jail.

Seriously, have you even researched any of this, I mean other than by Twitter "news", because you've been wrong on just about every "fact" here.
I don't think the legal system should get 2 runs at passing a sentence in the case of a guilty verdict. Get it right first time or deal with your own incompetence quietly. If they wanted to appeal a 'not guilty' verdict that would be different. The response is to be expected when you send someone to prison twice for the same offence. At the moment it seems to just be a group of citizens occupying public property in protest. It's not like they're rioting, looting and smashing the place up.

[LHutton]

I cannot believe that's real.
You need to understand that Islam isn't just a religion, it's a political and legal structure that seeks dominance and control in any country it inhabits. If there was such a thing as a nice country with a 20% Muslim population my opinion might be different.

The Schengen border system in Europe is collapsing for the same reason. Sweden has imposed border checks on the Danish border (for the first time since the '50s) and Denmark has imposed checks on the German border. And these are not 'right wing' governments doing this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35222015

It's an unfortunate position to have to take but it's very much based on reality rather than what they'd like to believe was true. ISIS threatened to start a civil war in Europe, and that's kind of what they do, so it's about time someone took that seriously. With everyone fleeing the Middle East, it makes zero sense to bring it over to you. It's much easier and kinder on the rights of your own citizens to keep a problem out rather than finding an emergency way to deal with it internally at a later date. Terrorists are a very small minority of Muslims, however those who sympathise with terrorists are a much much larger percentage. Those who wish to impose Sharia Law, even higher. They made their bed in the Middle East, lie in it. When they drag themselves out of the Middle Ages, then the matter can be reviewed.

[Dicknose]

Ever been to Indonesia?

[LHutton]

Where the Bali bombings occurred?

Nobody is actually fleeing Indonesia though, so it must be a step up on the Middle East. It benefited from the Dutch legacy but the legal system is rife with corruption though. Sharia in Sumatra after a 30 year insurgency due to Arabian influence that ended only 10 years ago. Not great really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Indonesia

Meanwhile some comments from Erdogan in Turkey (another example of a 'civilised' Muslim country people often state).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan-cites-hitler-germany-as-example-of-effective-government-a6792756.html?platform=hootsuite


Turkey's President Erdogan cites 'Hitler's Germany' as example of effective government


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30183711


Turkey president Erdogan: Women are not equal to men

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said women cannot be treated as equal to men, and has accused feminists of rejecting motherhood.

"You cannot put women and men on an equal footing," he told a meeting in Istanbul. "It is against nature."

Then there's all the journalists and security officials he recently had convicted of espionage for uncovering the supply of weapons (including chemical weapons) to ISIS in exchange for oil.

It's mighty strange for Trump to have a valid point but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Sometimes it's not even safe to live near a country containing them:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-35211265


2 January 2016

Pathankot: Gunmen attack India air force base near Pakistan border

[Fogelhund]

Some of the things that some people seem convinced is the truth and real, is truly disturbing.

[LHutton]

Tell me about it because I'm seeing the same thing from my perspective and so are others. If you're really, really lucky with Muslim migrants from the Middle East, you'll just end up with a bunch of people who think women are second class citizens and homosexuals are criminals and push for Sharia Law. Even without the random bombings and shootings there's nothing to want, you'll just get a bunch of people with values more twisted than the very rightmost Republicans who you criticise everyday, plus their own brand of Islamic craziness thrown into the mix.

[Cam]

We ridicule those who measure entire cultures by a few extremists. But please, by all means, continue to out yourself as an ignorant cracker.

[LHutton]

We ridicule those who measure entire cultures by a few extremists. But please, by all means, continue to out yourself as an ignorant cracker.
Right, so what do you have to say about the comments of President Erdogan above then?

http://gtxforums.net/showthread.php?82-Politics&p=60227&viewfull=1#post60227

These aren't the comments of a taxi driver or someone in a pub, they're the comments of a President of a NATO country. I'm not even talking about the 'extremists' who blow themselves up here, I'm talking facts about the core values of the culture. Yet you accuse me of racism against the most racist culture on Earth, how ironic, even before we examine the use of the term 'cracker', which is also racist.

The moderate ones are simply irrelevant because they in no way outweigh or counteract the damage caused by the non-moderate ones, as is evident by examining Muslim nations.

[Fogelhund]

We ridicule those who measure entire cultures by a few extremists. But please, by all means, continue to out yourself as an ignorant cracker.

Pretty much my conclusion as well. In this case, we are talking about a poster who has extremist views, that are both poorly researched and thought out, but completely entrenched. Time to just laugh and walk away.. maybe even pity a little.

[LHutton]

Pretty much my conclusion as well. In this case, we are talking about a poster who has extremist views, that are both poorly researched and thought out, but completely entrenched. Time to just laugh and walk away.. maybe even pity a little.
Nope, my views are extremely well researched, I know because I had your views before I did the research. What you're doing is trying to apply a uniform ideology globally to groups that it just doesn't fit, simply because that ideology happens to be appropriate in your homeland.

Take a long hard look at Muslim countries in terms of:

a) Stability;

b) Governance;

c) Legal systems;

d) Human/Civil rights; and

e) Core values within their societies.

Then ask yourself who made them that way. Sometimes facts aren't politically correct.

[Cam]

Your arrogance is showing, but hey, arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.

I have some very good friends I have known for a long time, Muslim couple. They are peaceful, progressive and believe in equal rights for all. They are embarrassed by how radicals who claim to be Muslim have created such a negative attitude toward Islam. THEY represent true Muslims, not the ones you have "researched." I can tell you have never been to any of these countries or have known any Muslims.

I should have known not to engage you. I will not from here on in. I normally do not attempt to reason with the unreasonable. I mistakenly gave you the attention you are seeking. I just can't stand to see you continuing to spout your hate and claiming it's the truth. Go work for Fox News.

[LHutton]

Your arrogance is showing, but hey, arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.

I have some very good friends I have known for a long time, Muslim couple. They are peaceful, progressive and believe in equal rights for all. They are embarrassed by how radicals who claim to be Muslim have created such a negative attitude toward Islam. THEY represent true Muslims, not the ones you have "researched." I can tell you have never been to any of these countries or have known any Muslims.

I should have known not to engage you. I will not from here on in. I normally do not attempt to reason with the unreasonable. I mistakenly gave you the attention you are seeking. I just can't stand to see you continuing to spout your hate and claiming it's the truth. Go work for Fox News.
Very nice, so you taken one Muslim who's grown up in the US, with a western education and values teaching and used them as a basis for judging every Muslim nation in the Middle East and their inhabitants. But heck, they did turn out okay with that grounding, meanwhile, other Muslims with the same start in life, went to join ISIS. Others also denounce Islamic terror, praise western values, have a good job, and are running a terror cell.

Meanwhile I use the values, laws and stability of Muslim countries (some with elected governments) to make a judgement, and you say I'm ignorant and narrow-minded.

Let's see:

1) Women stoned to death for adultery or just being raped and it takes a westerner to complain about it, but any slight on Islam and millions will flock to the streets in protest.

2) Homosexuals imprisoned or executed and it takes a westerner to complain about it, but any slight on Islam and millions will flock to the streets in protest.

3) Extra taxes on Christians and other religions but any slight on Islam and millions will flock to the streets in protest.

4) Ridicule Mohammed and they'll bomb public infrastructure but at the same time will happily burn a Christmas tree, Bible or American flag.

Yeah, I know what I'm talking about thanks. I don't want them for the same reason I don't want the KKK.

[Cam]

You arrogantly and incorrectly assume the Muslims I know grew up in the US. They grew up in the middle east. Just wanted to point that out. Carry on.

[LHutton]

The difference is all my points are 100% verifiable, with multiple sources in the news, research organisations and human rights statistics, whereas your friend is not. And making decisions based on exceptions, is exceptionally stupid. If everyone was like your friend, the Middle East simply wouldn't have turned out like it did. Even your friend knows this. He also knows that a million people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, will bring more terrorism and make attitudes towards his religion even worse. It's inevitable, ask him.

[Fogelhund]

Nope, my views are extremely well researched, I know because I had your views before I did the research.

No, your "facts" on the situation in the Oregon are almost all incorrect. When you do your research through Right Wing extremist and bigoted websites, you might end up believing in anything. But carry on... the black helicopters will be by soon. Oh.. and also am friends with multiple Muslims, a number of which were born in the Middle East... but surely you know more about Islam than they do. LOL

[speedpimp]

#YallQaeda and #YeeHawd are trending on twitter :lol:


:(
I prefer Y'all'ahu Ahkbar.

[LHutton]

No, your "facts" on the situation in the Oregon are almost all incorrect. When you do your research through Right Wing extremist and bigoted websites, you might end up believing in anything. But carry on... the black helicopters will be by soon. Oh.. and also am friends with multiple Muslims, a number of which were born in the Middle East... but surely you know more about Islam than they do. LOL
Actually I didn't research that at all and may well have got bad facts. However, facing someone with the prospect of starting a prison term twice and forcing them to start over afterwards twice seems cruel and unusual. And 5 years minimum also seems cruel and unusual for torching a field, when others get less for violent crimes against individuals, probably why the state court reduced the sentence. If an employer makes someone work two four hour shifts with 4 hours in between, is that better or worse than a standard 8 hour shift?

[LHutton]

Diversity in Denmark:

http://10news.dk/?p=1207

Diversity in Germany:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe

Of course that's not even regarded as terrorism.

[Fogelhund]

Proof all white males from North England are deranged sexual deviants and dangerous.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14171918.Police_release_EvoFit_image_after__fright ening__sexual_assault/

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/5699_542358595889180_4328524376975991655_n.jpg?oh= 8f53ef2a29083bcd5f3114d342a5ecb1&oe=57444DBC

[LHutton]

Proof all white males from North England are deranged sexual deviants and dangerous.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/14171918.Police_release_EvoFit_image_after__fright ening__sexual_assault/
Dude, you just brought a knife to an ICBM fight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11057647/Rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-1400-children-exploited-by-Asian-gangs-while-authorities-turned-a-blind-eye.html


Rotherham sex abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited by Asian gangs while authorities turned a blind eye

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29237582


Child sex abuse was endemic in Sheffield, says ex care worker

She said her colleagues were powerless to stop the youngsters, aged between 13 and 14 years old, meeting groups of older men she said were of Asian heritage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333537/Nine-men-Derby-jailed-grooming-100-sex.html


Asian gangs, schoolgirls and a sinister taboo: As nine men are jailed for grooming up to 100 for sex, the disturbing trend few dare talk about

[21Kid]

http://powerup.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/do_not_feed_the_troll_by_veilx-d38viyi.jpg

[Cam]

Stolen from the internet:

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the bird will shit on the board and strut around like it won."

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10207945829544880

[LHutton]

^Completely true, all you forgot to do was show Saudi Arabia handing ISIS money.

Poles are now ignorant racists too apparently.:rolleyes:

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/polish-march-refugees.jpg

[Fogelhund]

Stolen from the internet:

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are the bird will shit on the board and strut around like it won."

lol... I'm not trying to win... I just think this is comedy. Poor guy..

[thesameguy]

Well, you'll never win with that attitude!

[21Kid]

...
We are doing the same thing as Rosa Parks did. We are standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom.

[Random]

:|

[overpowered]

Exactly how are they being denied equal rights?

[Random]

I'm also totally confused how the existence of a national wildlife refuge "dehumanizes" anybody, nevermind destroying their freedom.

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=951459948224149

[overpowered]

Ammon Bundy Did NOT Say He’s Like Rosa Parks: So Why Did We Fall For That Twitter Hoax?

http://reverbpress.com/politics/ammon-bundy-rosa-parks-white-terrorist/

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1dXvu8_Cbc

[Rikadyn]

https://i.imgur.com/YoI5IcO.jpg

[LHutton]

Allahu Akbar again.

http://news.yahoo.com/charlie-hebdo-attack-france-recalls-092614514.html



PARIS (AP) — Officers shot and killed a knife-wielding man with wires protruding from his clothes at a police station in northern Paris on Thursday, French officials said, a year to the day after an attack on the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo launched a bloody year in the French capital.

Luc Poignant, a police union official, said the man cried out "Allahu akbar," Arabic for "God is great."

Just a few minutes earlier, elsewhere in the city, French President Francois Hollande had finished paying homage to police officers killed in the line of duty, including three shot to death in the attacks last January.

[21Kid]

Marco Rubio is rocking some seriously fashionable black boots today in New Hampshire. (https://twitter.com/mikiebarb/status/684122644250255364?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


:lol: Must get pretty boring hearing the same speeches on the campaign trail.

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10153423721271872

Paris, Germany.

[21Kid]

62 :smh: What a waste of money.

[Jason]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10153423721271872

Paris, Germany.

I hate that he has a good chance of being our next President (at this point anyways).

[Crazed_Insanity]

German, French, they all look alike anyways. :p

BTW, is that suppose to be big time(auto corrected to big crime)? What the heck is big crime?

[overpowered]

I don't see him beating either Hillary or Bernie.

He's alienated most people in the middle already. Even conservative hispanics will likely not vote for him and the hispanic vote is big enough to matter. Most of his support is from poorly educated racist right wingers. It's sad that it's enough for him to be leading among republican voters right now but among all voters, I don't think he's got it.

Romney got about 1/4 of hispanic voters against Obama. No way Trump even gets 1/20th of the hispanic vote. Pretty much all the normal swing states including Florida would almost certainly go blue with Trump.

The GOP leadership has not exactly been big fans of Trump. Neither has Fox News. That's because they know he can't win in November.

[overpowered]

Arizona Senator John Kavanagh Wants to Make it Illegal to Record Cops, Including Personal Interactions

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/01/arizona-senator-john-kavanagh-wants-to-make-it-illegal-to-record-cops-including-personal-interactions/

Police state, anyone?

[MR2 Fan]

I don't see him beating either Hillary or Bernie.

He's alienated most people in the middle already. Even conservative hispanics will likely not vote for him and the hispanic vote is big enough to matter. Most of his support is from poorly educated racist right wingers. It's sad that it's enough for him to be leading among republican voters right now but among all voters, I don't think he's got it.

Romney got about 1/4 of hispanic voters against Obama. No way Trump even gets 1/20th of the hispanic vote. Pretty much all the normal swing states including Florida would almost certainly go blue with Trump.

The GOP leadership has not exactly been big fans of Trump. Neither has Fox News. That's because they know he can't win in November.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there weren't still 12 people on the GOP side, and he still has less than 40% of the overall GOP vote. A lot of people who are fans of the establishment of the GOP may just not show up to vote

[overpowered]

I've heard a few notable republicans (Bob Dole for example) say that if Trump gets the nomination, they may not bother to go to the polls in November.

[overpowered]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if there weren't still 12 people on the GOP side, and he still has less than 40% of the overall GOP vote. A lot of people who are fans of the establishment of the GOP may just not show up to voteYeah. I suspect that as the "no chance in hell" candidates fall off, most of their supporters will not go to Trump, though quite frankly, Cruz is almost as bad.

[LHutton]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10153423721271872

Paris, Germany.
He's referring to two separate incidents. The 3 attacks in Paris in the last year and the mass sexual assault in Cologne, where the government has advised women not to wear short skirts.:rolleyes: And there's this from an eye witness, the media is suppressing an awful lot that's going on. It's like Z Nation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9TOdMzOH1U#t=68

[21Kid]

ffs... :smh: Prostitution is legal as long as it is for politicians?

Lawmaker: Sex with lobbyists is a 'gift' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/missouri-lobbyist-sex-gift-bill/index.html)
A Missouri lawmaker introduced a bill Wednesday that would require lobbyists to report "sexual relations" with state legislators as a "gift" in their disclosures to the state ethics commission.

"We've already got a lobbyist gift reporting requirement and so that's how I worked it in there, by treating it as a definition of gift," Rep. Bart Korman, a Republican from High Hill, told CNN on Thursday. "I hope it deters any of that activity, but that if activity does occur, it's at least transparent."

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not just for politicians, but for lobbyists too! :p

The last sentence you quoted..., I think the bill is meant to discourage sexual favors because now you legally need to declare it in public! However, if you're shameless enough, transparency is certainly nice. Just want to make sure that there are absolutely nothing going on 'under the table' between lobbyists and politicians.

Anyway, I think that change is an improvement..., but we really need a bill that prevents politicians from receiving gifts over certain dollar amount or whatever gift received, will go into the Federal/State treasury... basically have the IRS take all of their extra incomes away during the time they're in office. Once out of office, IRS should continue to share 50% of their income with speeches or books or whatever proceeds... since they didn't really got famous on their own. It's only fair for the government to take their fair share...

As for sexual favors, yes, continue to not only declare them, but also document and video tape them and upload to porn sites so that we all can enjoy since they're public figures! Again, IRS will take all of the profit while the dude is in office and 50% of the profit out of office! ;)

Hopefully this will help with budge deficits.

[LHutton]

Oh and again.

http://news.yahoo.com/latest-phila-police-identify-officer-shot-123746465.html


Police say the 30-year-old suspect in the shooting of a Philadelphia police officer told investigators that he opened fire in the name of Islam.

Police Commissioner Richard Ross says Edward Archer pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group. Ross says Archer also told investigators that he believed police defend laws that are contrary to Islam.

http://www.dw.com/en/slovakia-vows-to-refuse-entry-to-muslim-migrants/a-18966481


Slovakia vows to refuse entry to Muslim migrants

Responding to the sexual assaults in Cologne and Hamburg, Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico has reiterated his aim to allow no Muslims into the country. According to reports, some of the attackers were refugees.

[LHutton]

So, pitbulls:

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php


42 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2014. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 64% (27) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

[21Kid]

Oregon occupation leader rejects sheriff's bid to end standoff (http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-occupation-leader-rejects-sheriffs-bid-end-standoff-005704307.html)

... :| I don't understand...


The leader of a group of armed protesters occupying the headquarters of a federal wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon met briefly with a local sheriff on Thursday but rejected the lawman's offer of safe passage out of the state to end the standoff.

Ammon Bundy and other occupiers left the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in two vehicles and traveled to a neutral location along a remote Oregon roadside to meet for about five minutes with Harney County Sheriff David Ward. They just sat down for tea with them and let them go back to breaking the law? No arrests, nothing. They just... asked nicely if they would leave. :wtf:

[LHutton]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/american-charged-bombing-attack-us-base-afghanistan-36129259


American Charged in Bombing Attack on US Base in Afghanistan

A U.S. citizen already accused of going to Pakistan to train with al-Qaida was charged Wednesday with helping build explosives for a 2009 suicide attack on an American military base in Afghanistan.

[thesameguy]

So, pitbulls:

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2014.php

Meaningless. Pitbulls are fantastic dogs that have a bad reputation because they are highly abused. Guess what happens? These statistics are only useful when you have information about the environments the dogs came from. I think you can apply that concept to a variety of "this group is violent" conversations.

[Jason]

Oregon occupation leader rejects sheriff's bid to end standoff (http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-occupation-leader-rejects-sheriffs-bid-end-standoff-005704307.html)

... :| I don't understand...

They just sat down for tea with them and let them go back to breaking the law? No arrests, nothing. They just... asked nicely if they would leave. :wtf:

But hey, there's no such thing as white privilege.

[TheBenior]

But hey, there's no such thing as white privilege.
A sheriff not arresting people where he may not have had legal authority to do so probably isn't the best example of that.

[overpowered]

Limbaugh and Coulter going birther on Cruz

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/08/taking_the_bait_rush_coulter_among_the_gullible_go pers_falling_for_trumps_birther_smear_on_cruz/

[thesameguy]

A sheriff not arresting people where he may not have had legal authority to do so probably isn't the best example of that.

:lol:

[LHutton]

Meaningless. Pitbulls are fantastic dogs that have a bad reputation because they are highly abused. Guess what happens? These statistics are only useful when you have information about the environments the dogs came from. I think you can apply that concept to a variety of "this group is violent" conversations.
Yeah... so why not hyenas... or even tigers? They'll be kind if treated right surely.

Pit bulls just happen to be abused 11x more than other dogs.....:lol: Because of dog racism?:lol:

[LHutton]

Finally.

http://news.yahoo.com/germanys-merkel-toughens-tone-migrants-protesters-gather-133704429.html


COLOGNE/MAINZ, Germany (Reuters) - Migrants who commit crimes should lose their right to asylum, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday, toughening her tone as police in Cologne confronted right-wing protesters venting their anger at mass assaults on women on New Year's Eve.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/foreign/09-Jan-2016/slovak-pm-calls-for-eu-summit-after-cologne-violence


Slovak PM calls for EU summit after Cologne violence

[Jason]

A sheriff not arresting people where he may not have had legal authority to do so probably isn't the best example of that.

You seriously don't think this situation would be playing out differently if this were a group of brown Muslims, for example?

[LHutton]

You seriously don't think this situation would be playing out differently if this were a group of brown Muslims, for example?
Sure it would, they'd have blown themselves up already.

More rape:

https://translate.google.ro/translate?sl=ro&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ro&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstirileprotv.ro%2Fstiri%2Fcriza-imigrantilor%2Fsuntem-cel-mai-mare-bordel-din-munchen-de-frica-femeile-dorm-imbracate-marturii-din-taberele-de-refugiati-din-germania.html&edit-text=

[G'day Mate]

Interview with Muslim woman ejected from a Trump rally - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YBt_6HfbM

[overpowered]

I have a lot in common with the Bundys. Here's what I'd like to say to them.

http://www.hcn.org/articles/im-not-so-different-from-the-bundys-heres-what-id-like-to-say-to-them

[TheBenior]

You seriously don't think this situation would be playing out differently if this were a group of brown Muslims, for example?

The federal government waited 18 months to take action during the Indians of all Tribes occupation of Alcatraz.

[overpowered]

And that was kind of weird since it seemed to mainly involve native americans from tribes that were never anywhere near California.

[Jason]

Fair enough.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZfEFly8ShE

[overpowered]

Republican ‘Family Values’ Consultant Caught Molesting Church Boys & Filming It “Hundreds Of Times”

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/republican-family-values-consultant-caught-molesting-church-boys-filming-it-hundreds-of-times/

[LHutton]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12088341/Two-teenage-girls-gang-raped-by-four-Syrian-nationals-in-southern-Germany.html


Two teenage girls gang-raped by four 'Syrian nationals' in southern Germany

A 21-year-old man and two 14-year-old boys are being held in Weil am Rhein, a small town near the Swiss and German borders, for the alleged rape of two girls aged 14 and 15.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlpdD7wIYaw

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=978139922223704

[tigeraid]

We have fuckhead rednecks here too, unfortunately...

http://www.theprovince.com/police+investigate+hate+motivated+crime+after+syri an+refugees+pepper+sprayed+outside+vancouver/11641594/story.html


Police investigate 'hate-motivated' crime after Syrian refugees pepper-sprayed outside Vancouver Muslim centre

Canadian political leaders, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, are condemning the pepper-spraying of some Syrian refugees in Vancouver, an attack police are treating as a hate crime.

Police said the incident happened Friday night when more than a dozen people had gathered outside the Muslim Association of Canada Centre during a "welcome night" for newly arrived Syrian refugees. A man wearing a white hoodie apparently rode by on a bicycle and sprayed 15 to 30 people, police said.

"This isn't who we are — and doesn't reflect the warm welcome Canadians have offered," Trudeau posted on Twitter on Saturday.

Nawal Addo said she was standing outside with some refugees who were waiting for a bus when suddenly everyone began to cough and feel their eyes burning.

"We saw people coming out from the building and they were in worse condition than us," she said. "Their eyes were really puffed up. They weren't able to open their eyes."

She said it appeared the fumes had gotten inside the entrance, where it affected people more powerfully inside the enclosed space. Some were children, including a girl who was about two years old, Addo said.

About 20 to 30 people were affected, some were vomiting and a few had to be taken away by ambulance, including the toddler, she said.

[LHutton]

Probably stopped them raping a few people.

[Tom Servo]

Man, this guy's just hell bent on making sure we all think he's a crackpot.

[LHutton]

Anyone who thinks Syrian refugees share their values are crackpots. I'm just here to point out the obvious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J30DLjZqcs

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2016/01/Germany-Cologne-Crime_Horo-2-635x357.jpg

[LHutton]

Pepper spray, fucking seriously?

NSFW!

Italy

https://twitter.com/HelenaJacobs/status/686489835822034944

Cologne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKu6Y7FtgF4&app=desktop

Fucking pepper spray.:smh:

[FaultyMario]

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2016/01/Germany-Cologne-Crime_Horo-2-635x357.jpg

Muslamic ray guns, ray guns, ray guns.