Politics

[novicius]

I really don't understand why this is shocking -- DWS has done many TV interviews explaining how the Superdelegates defend against grassroots challengers. She has repeatedly and openly said this (and I'm not a DWS supporter!). One could argue that the DNC Chair is always going to protect Party insiders and preferred candidates.

If $hillary's campaign is forced to fire her due to a witch hunt, she will still end up on either a lucrative board of directors somewhere or maybe a democratic think-tank. Other operatives need to see that they will be protected and paid for their service to the DNC Establishment.*

*I say this as a Bernie-supporter who is regretfully voting for Wall St. & War by voting for $hillary. #fucktrump #fuckother$hillaryvoterstoo

[21Kid]

Why didn't I get into politics? :smh: It seems nearly impossible to get in trouble.

Lying/scheming/bribery/fraud/etc... You can do anything you want. And even if you get caught you likely won't get in trouble, and the people that you schemed for will just hire you directly. :(


Oh yeah... I couldn't live with myself if I lived such a shady life. :|

[21Kid]

Google to the rescue once again. :)

Google Will Now Tell You How to Register to Vote In Your State (http://lifehacker.com/google-will-now-tell-you-how-to-register-to-vote-in-you-1784156786)

[Kchrpm]

I wonder if I can figure out how to work from home for the rest of the year. I would like to avoid being double-teamed by my coworkers who are 100% sure that Hillary just wants to turn us all into slave labor.

[21Kid]

I'm not a fan of how PolitiFact categorizes their statements.

"Bernie Sanders is slated to speak tonight at the Democratic National Convention. Here's a look at his PolitiFact scorecard. We've never given him a Pants on Fire rating."

Bernie Sanders's file (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/statements/)
Sanders's statements by ruling
Click on the ruling to see all of Sanders's statements for that ruling.

All statements involving Bernie Sanders

HILLARY CLINTON
"Let me say that I don't think (Bernie Sanders has) had a single negative ad ever run against him."
— PolitiFact National on Sunday, May 22nd, 2016

So, that counts as a negative about Bernie... :?

[Kchrpm]

It's not a negative for him, it's saying pulling up every statement that involves him. I thought they had a page that was only the person's statements, but they force you to sort those by the rating, it seems. I don't see a link for only statements by a person w/all ratings.

[21Kid]

Here's a look at his PolitiFact scorecard. We've never given him a Pants on Fire rating.

That's the problem. I don't see why they don't group records by who said them. Not who they are about. That makes no sense.
Hillary or Trump lying about him is going to hurt his record on Politifact, not theirs. If you look up his scorecard.

This applies to anyone. I just happened to check this one out about Bernie.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don't see the problem. It simply showed that the man has integrity.

Anyway, no matter how Politifact categorize things, it's not likely that it'll change election results... because its rigged. Even if not rigged, people's damn minds have already settled on Hillary for one false reason or another. Nobody really care about integrity these days. The most important thing is to defeat Trump. No matter the cost.

[overpowered]

From on of my FB friends:


Voting is a mathematical exercise in selecting between outcomes. If you vote third party, you help the one of the two major parties which you agree with least. That's just an exercise in logic. Everything else is a rationalization to make yourself feel good about voting illogically.

If this is not crystal clear to you, then please watch this simple video that clearly lays out why third party voting is voting against your own interests.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

[overpowered]

Franklin (son of Billy) Graham Says Christians Must Support Trump or Face Death Camps

http://bizstandardnews.com/2016/07/23/graham-says-christians-must-support-trump-or-face-death-camps/

Alternate title: Franklin (son of Billy) Graham snorts bat shit.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I have eternal life. Death camps don't scare me!

Frankly, I don't think America will be single-handedly destroyed by either Trump nor Hillary. The scare tactic is really amazing.

Of course the only person who could've make America great again was Bernie Sanders. Unfortunately Americans are so used to voting out of fear than voting with their hearts.

[21Kid]

We should use American Idol style voting. They probably get more votes than political campaigns.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNdkrtfZP8I

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32n4h0kn-88

[21Kid]

:eek: Has John Mellencamp's forehead always been that ginormous? It looked almost cartoonish in that video.

[overpowered]

:eek: Has John Mellencamp's forehead always been that ginormous? It looked almost cartoonish in that video.Yes, but he used to cover it with a wave:

https://sgrumbleoutloud.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/johnmellencampjohncougar1982.jpg

Took me a minute to recognize the Wilson sisters (from Heart). Also, Usher, because I don't listen to his music and rarely see him on T.V. or internet. I don't listen to Bolton either but he used to be so goddamnedeverywhere that he was hard to miss.

I had no idea who Josh Groban or Dan Reynolds were and had to learn their names in an article about that video.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaAbmppUINI

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=573541176158256

[Crazed_Insanity]

If Trump is really bleach, then Hillary is perhaps rubbing alcohol. Let's drink to that!

Not!

[Tom Servo]

The speech that almost didn't happen.

https://twitter.com/J_Derm/status/757756637956440064

[overpowered]

If Trump is really bleach, then Hillary is perhaps rubbing alcohol. Let's drink to that!

Not!She's more like Bud Light. Awful, but not technically poison.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tVD87cZew

[overpowered]

Al Franken at the DNC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21MVowBkyRQ

[overpowered]

Uber Bernie supporter Sarah Silverman talks about Hillary and near the end has something to say to Bernie or Bust types:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjF1ziPuIA

[overpowered]

Michelle Obama does great at the DNC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK-oWkVcnok

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2hMsX1P2U

[overpowered]

The first guy here says that the turning point in America (the last time it was great) was 1913 when the 17th Amendment was passed. The 17th Amendment was the one that required that U.S. Senators be elected by popular vote instead of by state legislatures. Apparently he doesn't like having the people having a direct say in who their senators are.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/m3nvk4/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-exclusive---when-was-america-great-

[novicius]

The Trump-Putin Connection. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing)

Wikileaks used data from Russian (or Russian-hired) hackers to strike at the DNC convention this week. Trump is in Putin's pocket. Looking forward to the movie... :smh:

[Drachen596]

but its okay.. the Russians didn't hack Hillarys home Email server right?

[novicius]

Oh I have complete faith that $hillary's server was ridden by the Russians, the Chinese, North Korea and even a few militants monks in Tibet with a honing bowl. Her ass should have been indicted months ago -- except for the grace of the Obama Administration. So here we are.

Yet all of that pales in comparison to ties that the Republican nominee for President has to Putin, don'tcha think??

[Drachen596]

we're going to ignore Hillary's various ties to middle eastern countries?

She's pro LGBT but takes money from countries that put those people to death for existing?

Also there have been stories of her favorite aides ties to at least one Islamic terror front group. Not sure if true or not but then again with politics I don't think you ever can be anymore.

[novicius]

Hey I'm all for talking about them -- but I think they've been out spent by Wall St. ;) Also IIRC it was the Bush's that were in bed with the Bin Ladens. :thppt:

Trump is a Russian-financed Manchurian Candidate of the highest order, a ready-made puppet dictator whose will-to-power rise has been fueled by the super-patriot love of 'Muricans. It was almost too easy. :lol:

[Drachen596]

should go back to the days where being a Politician in DC or anywhere was a hardship and not a life long career.

on the GOP side Cruz has had a political office since 2003. Rubio since at least 2000. Kasich since 1979.

DNC Side Hillary has had her own office since 2001 but her husband has had them from 83 to 2001. Sanders has been in various office since 1981 and been in DC since 1991. Martin O'Malley since 1991 has had various offices as well.

The only one who hasn't been in political offices their whole life is Trump. I wonder if that's played a part in his popularity.

fwiw i think they're both idiots. neither represents me or my personal beliefs at all either.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Of course trumps appeal is due to the fact that he's not a career politician.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tVD87cZew

Based on the thunderous applause and cheers in the beginning... how can the DNC not want this guy on their ticket?

I still think the primary election results are rigged.

Looking forward to tonight's roll call.

[Drachen596]

Primary was rigged. Didnt see the most recent email scandal? DNC top level was working against him.

thats why wasserman schultz stepped down and now works for Hillary.

[Sad, little man]

Rigging the primary would be altering the voting results to change the outcome of the voting. The DNC did not "rig" the primary. Did they have a bias towards Hillary and were the superdelegates biased towards her? Yes, it appears so. But the fact is, more people still voted for Hillary, so what really is the scandal here? More people voted for Hillary, and she won.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think the election results are rigged, but have no proof so I will concede that Hillary won.

Anyway, assuming voting wasn't rigged, liberals are still pretty dumb to pick Hillary over Bernie.

It's just the same as picking whether to drink this beer or this bottle of bleach?

[21Kid]

really?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Can you really explain why Hillary is better than Bernie?

[Kchrpm]

There's a large difference between saying "Bernie is better than Hillary" and "Choosing Hillary is like committing suicide"

[overpowered]

Remember that creepy cheerleader song for Trump a while back? Apparently they were supposed to be paid by the Trump campaign for that performance and for another that got cancelled after they showed up. They didn't get paid. Classic Trump.

http://www.someecards.com/news/politics/donald-trump-stiffed-usa-freedom-kids/

[Crazed_Insanity]

There's a large difference between saying "Bernie is better than Hillary" and "Choosing Hillary is like committing suicide"

If choosing Trump is committing suicide, then choosing Hillary is committing suicide indirectly.

For one, Democrats will not get my vote. I was going to commit suicide directly, but because the bottle of bleach refused to show us his tax returns, I've decided to not commit suicide directly, but to vote for Jill, which might end up causing Trump to win anyway.

Now, I don't really believe Trump has the capacity to destroy America, just as I don't believe Brexit will cause the world to end. Bleach analogy was way too extreme. Still, 8 years of liberal admin, I wouldn't mind giving control to conservatives for 4 years.

But my main reason for voting for Jill is for my own conscience. At least I'm voting for what I believe in... no longer participating in the lesser of the 2 bleaches.

[Kchrpm]

I don't think choosing Trump is committing suicide, either.

If you want to vote for Jill, then vote for Jill. It's a personal choice. You don't have to justify it to us or anyone else. If someone questions you, ignore them. If they won't let up, block/avoid them. It is not their right to harass you just because they disagree with your opinion or to try and force you to change your opinion.

[21Kid]

I think he has an ingrained belief(s) that he has to qualify for himself.
(he's trying to convince himself that he's right)

[overpowered]

I don't think choosing Trump is committing suicide, either.

If you want to vote for Jill, then vote for Jill. It's a personal choice. You don't have to justify it to us or anyone else. If someone questions you, ignore them. If they won't let up, block/avoid them. It is not their right to harass you just because they disagree with your opinion or to try and force you to change your opinion.The Supreme Court currently has one vacancy which will not be filled before the next POTUS.

With Trump, we'll get a justice that:

1. Supports Citizens United
2. Opposes a woman's right to choose.
3. Guns! Guns! Guns!
4. The end of LGBT rights.
5. Even more infringement of individual privacy.
6. Even more infringement of protections against illegal search and seizures.

Not to mention the fucking wall.

I'm also more than a little concerned about what wars he may get us into. He's impulsive and vindictive. At least Hillary thinks things through. She's not that bad.

[Rikadyn]

The Trump-Putin Connection. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing)

Wikileaks used data from Russian (or Russian-hired) hackers to strike at the DNC convention this week. Trump is in Putin's pocket. Looking forward to the movie... :smh:

Source, other than the DNC saying so, that the hack was perpetrated by Russia?

[overpowered]

Bernie sold out, but he got a lot in return.

http://theweek.com/articles/638742/donald-trump-right-bernie-sanders-sold-but-heres-what-got


The #BernieOrBust delegates who interrupted their own candidate with boos last night, the ones who marched alongside a giant doobie outside the convention, and the few who tried to throw Elizabeth Warren off stride with cries of "We Trusted You!" are like the people who carry phones with cracked screens, refusing to get them replaced, even for free.

[novicius]

Source, other than the DNC saying so, that the hack was perpetrated by Russia?
Your boy Trump? (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-dnc-hack-friends-in-russia) :lol:

[Rikadyn]

Your boy Trump? (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-dnc-hack-friends-in-russia) :lol:

okay. any reliable source.

Thing is, it doesn't need to be a state agent to hack into something like that. Odds are, especially given the Email server hack being most likely perpetrated by an independent agent, cast doubt on the idea of it having to be a state agent. The fact that both sides benefit from implicating Russia in it, simply helps sell the story they want. DNC wants to sell a story of Putin helping out Trump to discredit Trump. RNC benefits from the story of a foreign state agent hacking into the DNC, because it allows them to tell the narrative of "we are under threat from a foreign nation, we must increase our surveillance and attack 'these' threats."

Also timing is a little rough, you'd think if it was Russia, it would want to push this stuff publicly later in the election cycle to do as much direct damage during the campaign cycle. It's doing damage now, but gives them time to recover from it, especially seeing as most Hillary supporters will just use it to show how great she is and how she's maligned because people are jealous, or anti-woman, or some other tripe the public will get inundated with until they believe it.

[overpowered]

Trans Student: School Forced Me to Wear Wristband to Use the Bathroom

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/20/trans-student-school-forced-me-to-wear-wristband-to-use-the-bathroom.html

[Drachen596]

Last DNC hack they blamed on the Mossad didnt they?

[neanderthal]

Can you really explain why Hillary is better than Bernie?

I've asked this to every Hillary supporter and they weren't able to answer.

My version was "please tell me, from a liberal/ progressive agenda, name one issue where Hillary's position is better than Bernies, just one." They all refused to engage. Every. single. one.


And i'm not even a hard core Bernie or Bust Berniemaniac.
Hillary will get my vote simply because of the Supreme Court.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb85xyZVrI8

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10154215983550115

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RchVnIn_-Y

[overpowered]

The GOP keeps getting sued for using music without artist permission. I think that the DNC got permission for this one, given that the original artist is featured heavily at the start as well as in much of the rest of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttscNOoAjA

[LHutton]

Is there no way you can just write Bernie in on the Presidential election anyway?

[Crazed_Insanity]

The Supreme Court currently has one vacancy which will not be filled before the next POTUS.

With Trump, we'll get a justice that:

1. Supports Citizens United
2. Opposes a woman's right to choose.
3. Guns! Guns! Guns!
4. The end of LGBT rights.
5. Even more infringement of individual privacy.
6. Even more infringement of protections against illegal search and seizures.

Not to mention the fucking wall.

I'm also more than a little concerned about what wars he may get us into. He's impulsive and vindictive. At least Hillary thinks things through. She's not that bad.
Trump and Bernie were the only ones not benefited from superpacs. They also realize that's one of their main appeals to voters. Why would he all of a sudden turn around and be for citizens united?

Hillary otoh benefitted greatly with citizens united, her promise to end the riches' strangle hold on our political system is admirable, but I'll believe it when it happens.

I doubt Hillary will deliver on her campaign promises... I also doubt trump will either... Particularly that wall he talked about...

[Freude am Fahren]

He appoints the seat, meaning a conservative, which would probably mean someone for citizen's. Hillary's appointment would be a liberal, which would likely be against it. That said, I think it's more likely a liberal support it than a conservative be against it, so it's bad either way, just less bad with Hillary. SC justices don't vote based on the history of the president who appoints them.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, I can agree with those other concerns OP listed, however, our #1 concern won't be that clear cut. It's pretty bipartisan. (Both established parties enjoy having the access to the money, voters otoh don't like that... It's unfortunate the democrats still end up nominating the one supported by the rich superpac.... Will she really end up biting back the hand that fed her? I doubt it, but we'll see.)

Hopefully we won't have an extremist SC justice..., otherwise I really don't care if he/she leans right or left. We don't have real control over that anyway.... Can only hope for the best one the person is confirmed. Ideally, I'd like to have a Supreme Court that neither leans left or right...

[Tom Servo]

This man's campaign just confirmed that he will not be releasing his tax returns.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/263348204068810752

[Freude am Fahren]

Trump Literally Said All Those Things (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/06/02/trump-literally-said-all-those-things/)

[Alan P]

Now I will admit I haven't paid this much attention to a presidential election before, but I'm struggling to think of a time when the two nominees have been so polarising and so, well, polar opposites to each other and have created this much hate, racism, anger, vitriol and spite.

And I also wonder if anyone at the DNC will actually admit the wrong person is on the ticket if Trump wins or if they'll blame Bernie for splitting the party. And if they'll learn that the movement for real change is moving forwards.

I guess they also could look at the long game and after Trump has really, royally, horrendously and heinously screwed it up that the Democrats could nominate Barney the Dinosaur and people would vote for him/it.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren take up where Bernie left off as well.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Trump also had endorsed Hillary before too. Just can't take anything he said too seriously...

Really curious what he has to hide with his tax returns...

[Alan P]

Could you imagine Trump calling a family to apologise to them for their Sons/fathers/brothers death abroad? I certainly couldn't.

[Fogelhund]

Really curious what he has to hide with his tax returns...

Had me wondering as well... what could be more damaging in the taxes, than the damage not revealing them could do? But then, I think Trump has this well wrapped up anyway.

[Tom Servo]

The theories I'm hearing is that they'll show either lots of investments or lots of debts in Russia. That and very little charitable giving.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Now I will admit I haven't paid this much attention to a presidential election before, but I'm struggling to think of a time when the two nominees have been so polarising and so, well, polar opposites to each other and have created this much hate, racism, anger, vitriol and spite.

And I also wonder if anyone at the DNC will actually admit the wrong person is on the ticket if Trump wins or if they'll blame Bernie for splitting the party. And if they'll learn that the movement for real change is moving forwards.

I guess they also could look at the long game and after Trump has really, royally, horrendously and heinously screwed it up that the Democrats could nominate Barney the Dinosaur and people would vote for him/it.

I'd like to see Elizabeth Warren take up where Bernie left off as well.

Democrats are for sure shooting themselves in the foot.

Forget the fiasco with Bernie, Hillary's vp pick was to appeal to the moderates?

Who in this country are moderates nowadays? ;)

Ignoring the energized young base of Bernie supporters is a bad call. You can't just expect people to fall in line just because of trump.

This is good for Jill I suppose. Wonder how many votes will she be able to steal from Hillary... Actually, probably can't say steal from Hillary but rather the votes that the Democratic Party and she lost.

My only possible scenario for voting Hillary is seeing Warren or Sanders as vp..., but why would she want to risk being overshadowed by them, right?

[overpowered]

The theories I'm hearing is that they'll show either lots of investments or lots of debts in Russia. That and very little charitable giving.And maybe he's not as rich as he pretends to be.

[Tom Servo]

Man, both Obamas sure can deliver a speech.

[Phil_SS]

Trump stated the other day that he thinks that Romney lost the election due to releasing his tax returns. At that point I knew he would not release them and I have no doubt they will show some very questionable things.

I have no doubt he barely gives to charity and I think it will show that while he has assets it will show that he is in heavy heavy debt. And I believe most of that debt is owed to Russia or China.

[21Kid]

I'm also more than a little concerned about what wars he may get us into. He's impulsive and vindictive. At least Hillary thinks things through. She's not that bad.

All of them...

[Kchrpm]

Trump Literally Said All Those Things (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/updates/2016/06/02/trump-literally-said-all-those-things/)

Nice, a one stop shop for his insanity :up: I need to get this printed out.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Probably not a good idea to receive facts from Hillary directly if you wish to remain objective.

For example, trump only said that he won't defend NATO members who don't pay up, but democrats are painting him as if he wish to forget NATO completely...

[Kchrpm]

That's why you can check the sources and read exactly what he said and in the context he said it. He says multiple in the source for that he thinks we don't need NATO and could/should leave it.

http://info.msnbc.com/_news/2016/03/30/35330907-full-transcript-msnbc-town-hall-with-donald-trump-moderated-by-chris-matthews?lite

[overpowered]

Bill O'Reilly's jaw-dropping response to Michelle Obama: "Slaves were well-fed"

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/26/12292322/bill-oreilly-michelle-obama-slaves-white-house

[drew]

I'm seriously starting to believe/embrace the fact that these are the end times.

What the fuck.

[overpowered]

Privilege is what allows Sanders supporters to say they’ll “never” vote for Clinton

http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

[Freude am Fahren]

Probably not a good idea to receive facts from Hillary directly if you wish to remain objective.

This is a problem with the current political culture. FACTS ARE FACTS. If Hillary just says "He wants to abandon NATO" and that's the end of it, sure, be skeptical and do your homework and see if it's true. Don't just believe it because you like her, nor completely refuse to believe it because she said it, therefore, it must be a lie.

But she did the homework for you! There are quotes with links to actual transcripts where he said these things.

[overpowered]

But she did the homework for you! There are quotes with links to actual transcripts where he said these things.


But she did the homework for you! There are quotes with links to actual transcripts where he said these things.


But she did the homework for you! There are quotes with links to actual transcripts where he said these things.

TQFT

[Crazed_Insanity]

Privilege is what allows Sanders supporters to say they’ll “never” vote for Clinton

http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

How condescending.

Try to work your butt off for the Democratic Party and then ultimately realizing your party was fucking with you in the back..., why should you automatically fall back in line with such party? What did the party do to make things up with these supporters? Nothing other than if you don't fall in line than trump?

I was contemplating joining the democrats because of sanders, glad I didn't.


That's why you can check the sources and read exactly what he said and in the context he said it. He says multiple in the source for that he thinks we don't need NATO and could/should leave it.

http://info.msnbc.com/_news/2016/03/30/35330907-full-transcript-msnbc-town-hall-with-donald-trump-moderated-by-chris-matthews?lite
Anyway, I don't particularly care to defend trump, I just disagree with the democrats' version of trump...

Regarding transcripts, if people can have multiple interpretation of Gods word..., surely people can have different ideas about men's words...

To really learn about trump, one probably also need to read Fox News to get the other respective...

But I don't really care for trump anymore..., but just pointing out that democrats don't always dish out truth. Even Obama speech contained misinformation..., but we are only human I suppose.

[overpowered]

To really learn about trump, one probably also need to read Fox News to get the other respective...Fox News is mixed. A lot of their commentators are not Trump fans.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Fox News is mixed. A lot of their commentators are not Trump fans.

Which is even better, don't you think? Rather than only having a single sided view, I think it's good to see the same thing from various angles and then you can reach your own conclusions... rather than allow Hillary or whatever liberal media to gather and digest all the information and then spoon feed you the 'facts'. It is proven that liberal media work closely with the establishment. You guys know that now, right? We can't even trust our news organizations nowadays... it's not just Fox News that I'm talking about...

Here's something to rain on your parade a bit:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/28/fact-check-night-3-democratic-convention/87644542/

I don't know, maybe usatoday is conservative leaning? But they chewed out the Republicans too...

[21Kid]

Unfortunately, facts don't seem to matter (https://youtu.be/zNdkrtfZP8I?t=346). :(

[Freude am Fahren]

I saw someone said we now live in a "Post-Factual Society" Sadly that seems to be true.

[21Kid]

Fear Boner (https://youtu.be/WTY4ahsc3MM?t=64)! :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

Try to work your butt off for the Democratic Party and then ultimately realizing your party was fucking with you in the back..., why should you automatically fall back in line with such party? What did the party do to make things up with these supporters? Nothing other than if you don't fall in line than trump?

It's not about parties. This is another problem with politics. Party or bust type mentality. Ultimately you are voting for who will lead the country for the next 4-8. Who the fuck cares what party they are in? Vote for the damn president, not their party.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Most Americans do fall along party lines..., the system is just rigged that way. That's why we've been forced to accept the lesser of the 2 evils.

My particular comment was for those die-hard Bernie supporters..., who worked hard for a party that betrayed them. Without wikileak, those folks will only be branded as ridiculous sore losers... Anyway, surely they also don't want the Republicans to win, but how the Democratic party is treating them is MORE ridiculous IMHO. They've done NOTHING to make up for the wrongs that they did. Do they really think Tim Kaine appeals to those supporters? I really don't understand why they don't capitalize on this so called 'revolution'... well..., maybe as the incumbent party, they don't really want a revolution on their hands...

Anyway, I guess they really feel safe with Trump..., they figured those people won't let him win... so they must vote for Hillary?

Well, I do agree with you, time to just vote for whoever you want, forget parties, forget picking the lesser of the 2 evils.

[Rikadyn]

Privilege is what allows Sanders supporters to say they’ll “never” vote for Clinton

http://qz.com/644985/privilege-is-what-allows-sanders-supporters-to-say-theyll-never-vote-for-clinton/

https://medium.com/@discomfiting/youre-not-voting-for-hillary-to-protect-me-73754a9b189e#.w3q2kbyby

[21Kid]

Under Brownback, Kansas’ credit faces another downgrade (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/under-brownback-kansas-credit-faces-another-downgrade)


It’s been about six years since Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback (R) announced his plan to conduct “a real-live experiment” with his state’s economy. The far-right Kansan, working with a GOP-led legislature, would cut taxes far beyond what the state could afford, slash public investments, and wait for prosperity to flourish across every corner of the state.

None of that has happened. Not only have Kansas’ job growth and economic growth lagged behind neighboring states, but a couple of years ago the state’s bond rating was downgraded because of the fiscal mess Brownback created.

This week, as the Topeka Capital-Journal reported, it happened yet again.
A major rating agency on Tuesday downgraded Kansas’ credit rating for the second time in two years because of the state’s budget problems. S&P Global Ratings dropped its rating for Kansas to AA-, from AA, three months after putting the state on a negative credit watch. […]

The ratings agency cited the state’s lack of cash reserves, even after multiple rounds of budget adjustments over the past year. “The downgrade reflects what we believe to be structural budget pressures,” S&P credit analyst David Hitchcock said in the agency’s statement.

[21Kid]

CBS and Viacom (the parent company of CC) used to be the same company. Perhaps there's something there.
Yep. Actually pretty shocked CBS let him do it, honestly.

When "he" came on, we both said "fuck yeah!"


Stephen Colbert will never appear on Stephen Colbert‘s show ever again.

We’ll let the “Late Show” host explain below — he’s referring to a bit from last week in which he and Jon Stewart brought back the popular “Colbert Report” host character.

“Immediately after that show, CBS’ top lawyer was contacted by the top lawyer from another company to say that the character Stephen Colbert is their intellectual property,” the real Colbert said. “So, it is with a heavy heart, that I announce that — thanks to corporate lawyers — the character of Stephen Colbert, host of ‘The Colbert Report,’ will never be seen again.”
Stephen Colbert Can’t Use ‘Colbert Report’ Character on CBS, Lawyers Say (Video)
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Stephen Colbert will never appear on Stephen Colbert‘s show ever again.

We’ll let the “Late Show” host explain below — he’s referring to a bit from last week in which he and Jon Stewart brought back the popular “Colbert Report” host character.

“Immediately after that show, CBS’ top lawyer was contacted by the top lawyer from another company to say that the character Stephen Colbert is their intellectual property,” the real Colbert said. “So, it is with a heavy heart, that I announce that — thanks to corporate lawyers — the character of Stephen Colbert, host of ‘The Colbert Report,’ will never be seen again.”

Also Read: Stephen Colbert Reprises 'Report' Character With Jon Stewart to Crush Donald Trump (Video)

Instead, on Wednesday, the late-night personality brought in “Stephen Colbert‘s identical twin cousin,” Stephen Colbert. That guy seems to love America just as much as the other dude, and can arch an eyebrow with the best of them. He also said the “Colbert Report” host was probably gay — not that there’s anything wrong with that.

Additionally, since actual human Stephen Colbert can also no longer legally perform his famous Comedy Central-era segment “The Word,” the “Late Show” host introduced the world to the “Werd.” It was equally great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvkFkzpVYJ4&index=4&list=PLiZxWe0ejyv931lnChE9UINCtNLIn0ana
:clap:

[overpowered]

A Post reporter was banned from a Trump-Pence rally yesterday. That should frighten you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/28/a-washington-post-reporter-was-banned-from-a-trump-pence-rally-yesterday-that-should-frighten-you/

[overpowered]

Which is even better, don't you think?Fox News has always blindly supported the GOP candidate whomever it was. The fact that some there now don't, just shows how awful he really is.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Awful to you maybe, but his anti-establishment or refuse to yield to the Republican Party stance was the only reason why I was going to vote for him before. If Fox were 100% happy with the guy, surely that guy won't get my vote. Of course he eventually lost my vote because I couldn't figure out where he put his money..., but I still admire his anti-establishment stance. And that is probably the single most reason why he won the support of the conservative voters.

As dumb and blatantly disregarding facts as the conservative voters are, they did manage to see thru the establishment politics BS.

I think the democrats are just stuck in a bit of an awkward situation as the incumbent party. They don't really want to admit that a "revolution" is necessary and just wish to keep the status quo and not rock the boat. DNC chairwoman was hand picked by Obama too. It's interesting that as the wikileak news broke, she's the only one taking the fall, while it didn't effect Obama or Hillary's standing one bit. I wonder who she takes her order to block Sanders from...? Hmm...

Anyway, if Brexit's any indication, I think there is slightly higher likelihood that Trump will win in the end.

It won't be the end of the world... if somebody like W can handle it for 8 years, surely so can Donald for maybe 4..., unless he pleasantly surprised us? Who knows, as such an awesome actor, maybe he can do better than Reagan!

Democratic party is just not so inspiring right now. Obamas did give awesome speeches, but they're not the ones running this year. I also don't feel that they help convinced much of the Bernie or Bust crowd.

[Alan P]

What worries me is that people who would have voted for Bernie won't vote for Hilary and Trump wins by a land slide. If that happens it'll basically be a red rag to a bull for all the racists and Homophobes across the US to come out from under their rocks and start shooting up the place, because they'll feel that the country, and the President himself has just endorsed their thoughts, fears, Homophobia, Sexism and Racism.

[overpowered]

What worries me is that people who would have voted for Bernie won't vote for Hilary and Trump wins by a land slide. If that happens it'll basically be a red rag to a bull for all the racists and Homophobes across the US to come out from under their rocks and start shooting up the place, because they'll feel that the country, and the President himself has just endorsed their thoughts, fears, Homophobia, Sexism and Racism.Just having him as a candidate has already started making that happen.

[Crazed_Insanity]

That's true.

However, I kinda like to see people coming out of their closets rather than being so politically correct. I admire authenticity... I'd rather have direct confrontations than get stab in the back...

Anyway, we're not voting in a dictator here, I don't think trump will usher in the end of the world. He's only surfing on the wave of people's resentment against the establishment/foreigners/whoever else they wish to blame...

People are not happy, yet democrats are still trying to stick to status quo... Chances of them winning will not be high.

[Alan P]

Awful to you maybe, but his anti-establishment or refuse to yield to the Republican Party stance was the only reason why I was going to vote for him before. If Fox were 100% happy with the guy, surely that guy won't get my vote. Of course he eventually lost my vote because I couldn't figure out where he put his money..., but I still admire his anti-establishment stance. And that is probably the single most reason why he won the support of the conservative voters.

As dumb and blatantly disregarding facts as the conservative voters are, they did manage to see thru the establishment politics BS.

I think the democrats are just stuck in a bit of an awkward situation as the incumbent party. They don't really want to admit that a "revolution" is necessary and just wish to keep the status quo and not rock the boat. DNC chairwoman was hand picked by Obama too. It's interesting that as the wikileak news broke, she's the only one taking the fall, while it didn't effect Obama or Hillary's standing one bit. I wonder who she takes her order to block Sanders from...? Hmm...

Anyway, if Brexit's any indication, I think there is slightly higher likelihood that Trump will win in the end.

It won't be the end of the world... if somebody like W can handle it for 8 years, surely so can Donald for maybe 4..., unless he pleasantly surprised us? Who knows, as such an awesome actor, maybe he can do better than Reagan!

Democratic party is just not so inspiring right now. Obamas did give awesome speeches, but they're not the ones running this year. I also don't feel that they help convinced much of the Bernie or Bust crowd.

I got the feeling W knew he wasn't up to the task so surrounded himself with people he could trust and who knew their stuff. I worry that Trump will surround himself with sycophantic arse lickers and get rid of anyone who doesn't agree with him, even when his orders or ideas are insane.

[FaultyMario]

A recognized historian (Enrique Krauze) thinks a new US-MX war is looming if Trump is elected.

Chomsky believes capitalism could be reconciled with a sustainable future if the US appropriatedd recent indigenous initiatives from Latin America. While not as educated on the subject as i would like to be, it is my understanding that the feudal societies that rose in mesoamerica and the incan empire were not developed around the protection of private property, but rather strengthened governance of common and public goods which are in fact socially better contacts for the needs of the post industrial world.

I don't believe that DT is a man to lead the world onto the 21st century.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don't believe that DT is a man to lead the world onto the 21st century.

I don't think that is a faith based issue..., I think everyone KNOWS he is not the ideal candidate to lead a nation, even the conservatives.

But given the minimal options we have, Trump is the people's answer to our broken political system.

Just as Brexit is the people's answer to a broken monetary policy.

If we have prosperity, there would be no brexit and no trump.

[FaultyMario]

It is a faith thing, though; there's no rationality for choosing Drumpf.

Brexit was not about a failed monetary system (of which the UK was not wholly a part of), it was about instigating fear of brown skin into the mind of the ignorant.

If things have failed, it's capitalism's promise for the middle classes, and cosmopolitanism's promise of inclusion. The money is growing, and it is moving freely. It's the people who start the game with less capital than others the ones that are being duped, they have comparatively less each day (or they owe more, it's the same thing) and they have less mobility. Sure they can go to another country, but living conditions won't be much better than they had...

Politicians like Trump, Putin, Johnson, LePen, et al are not offering real solutions, they're just playing the system to get more capital.

[MR2 Fan]

http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aB1gBZO_460sv.mp4

[overpowered]

http://freetrumpscore.com/

[Freude am Fahren]

https://i.redd.it/s81stl3ck3cx.gif

http://i.imgur.com/sXSnFZ5.gif

[21Kid]

I play with balloons with my son all the time. :)

[Alan P]

It would be hilarious if Trump won. And then Michelle Obama stands in the next election and wins.

[Tom Servo]

What we know at this point about Trump and business dealings with Russia.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/heres-what-we-know-about-donald-trump-and-his-ties-to-russia/2016/07/29/1268b5ec-54e7-11e6-88eb-7dda4e2f2aec_story.html

[21Kid]

I could see Michelle winning. :D


Today Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette filed misconduct charges against six state workers. Three employees are from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, and three employees are from the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality.That's it? :twitch: :(

[21Kid]

Drumph being presidential yet again.


Donald Trump, after hearing speeches at the Democratic convention this week, said Thursday he wanted to "hit a number of those speakers so hard, their heads would spin." :smh:

[21Kid]

Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down The Worst Voter Suppression Law In The Nation (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/29/3803405/breaking-federal-appeals-court-strikes-worst-voter-suppression-law-nation/)


"It’s hard not to come away with the conclusion that North Carolina’s lawmakers wanted to get caught engaging in unlawfully racial discrimination."

Before enacting that law, moreover, “the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices.” After receiving that data, “the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.” Indeed, this data appears to have guided the state’s lawmakers in drafting a law that would have maximal impact on African-Americans.
The law did not simply contain a voter ID provision. Rather “the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans” while simultaneously retaining “only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess.” (Although, in fairness, this provision was later watered down.)
The legislature’s data on racial voting patterns showed that “African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting,” and so “the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting.” The data showed that “African American voters disproportionately used [same-day registration] when it was available,” and so same-day registration was cut as well. The law also eliminated out-of-precinct voting, which “required the Board of Elections in each county to count the provisional ballot of an Election Day voter who appeared at the wrong precinct, but in the correct county, for all of the ballot items for which the voter was eligible to vote.” African-Americans, meanwhile, were especially likely to take advantage of this practice.

[Alan P]

Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down The Worst Voter Suppression Law In The Nation (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/29/3803405/breaking-federal-appeals-court-strikes-worst-voter-suppression-law-nation/)

That's awful and I'm glad it's been struck down. Will anyone actually be held accountable though?

[neanderthal]

That's awful and I'm glad it's been struck down. Will anyone actually be held accountable though?

Never. No- one is held accountable for denying blacks their civil rights or even their right to life.

[overpowered]

Trump claims to have helped build the Vietnam War Memorial.

Not really.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/30/trump-busted-huge-lie-helping-build-vietnam-war-memorial.html

[Tom Servo]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/lyin-trump-a-weekly-fact-check

[overpowered]

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/30/12332922/donald-trump-khan-muslim
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ghazala-khan-donald-trump-criticized-my-silence-he-knows-nothing-about-true-sacrifice/2016/07/31/c46e52ec-571c-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

"Now that he's trolling bereaved military families, is Trump going to officially join the Westboro Baptist Church?" -- Andy Borowitz

[overpowered]

The Path to Prosperity Is Blue

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/campaign-stops/the-path-to-prosperity-is-blue.html

Trickle down economics does not work.

[George]

My wife, a liberal Democrat, brought up an interesting idea after the Democratic convention finally ended the other night. And yes, both Obamas really can give one hell of a speech. And so can Slick Willie, although I confess that when I see him, I'm seeing SNL actors spoofing him in my mind at the same time, since he still has so many of the same mannerisms they made good fun of back then.

Anyway, remember when Trump first started and people thought perhaps he was just being a spoiler to help Hillary win? My wife brought up the idea that he still might be doing that. How else can any reasonable person explain the crazy shit he says, day after day, week after week, month after month?

The only good thing I can say about Trump is hopefully his candidacy will be the downfall of the Republican party and pave the way for some new, vibrant, young party with a small-government, balanced-budget platform to come along, and let not the religious zealots and gun nuts glom on to them as they did with the Tea Party, which looked promising for about ten minutes a long time ago.

[overpowered]

Trump Sick And Tired Of Mainstream Media Always Trying To Put His Words Into Some Sort Of Context

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-sick-and-tired-mainstream-media-always-tryin-53375

(he really is, even though this is the Onion)

[IMOA]

Anyway, remember when Trump first started and people thought perhaps he was just being a spoiler to help Hillary win? My wife brought up the idea that he still might be doing that. How else can any reasonable person explain the crazy shit he says, day after day, week after week, month after month?.

Because Trump knows that in a popularity contest being talked about is more important than being correct.

[Freude am Fahren]

My wife, a liberal Democrat, brought up an interesting idea after the Democratic convention finally ended the other night. And yes, both Obamas really can give one hell of a speech. And so can Slick Willie, although I confess that when I see him, I'm seeing SNL actors spoofing him in my mind at the same time, since he still has so many of the same mannerisms they made good fun of back then.

Anyway, remember when Trump first started and people thought perhaps he was just being a spoiler to help Hillary win? My wife brought up the idea that he still might be doing that. How else can any reasonable person explain the crazy shit he says, day after day, week after week, month after month?

The only good thing I can say about Trump is hopefully his candidacy will be the downfall of the Republican party and pave the way for some new, vibrant, young party with a small-government, balanced-budget platform to come along, and let not the religious zealots and gun nuts glom on to them as they did with the Tea Party, which looked promising for about ten minutes a long time ago.

While everything he says is nuts, it leveled off a while ago, maybe around the time everyone else on the GOP side dropped out. At this point, he's certainly not doing enough crazy to help Hillary. It seems to be just the right amount of crazy to keep in the hunt.

I was on that maybe it's a ploy bandwagon for a while, but at this point, I don't think so.

[novicius]

The only good thing I can say about Trump is hopefully his candidacy will be the downfall of the Republican party and pave the way for some new, vibrant, young party with a small-government, balanced-budget platform to come along, and let not the religious zealots and gun nuts glom on to them as they did with the Tea Party, which looked promising for about ten minutes a long time ago.
Yeah I really hope that the Democratic Party doesn't become the Oligarchs Party. It costs Corporate America nothing to allow same-sex marriage, transgender people's rights, progressive paths to legal immigration and other social issues while still suppressing the vote in the DNC primaries, pushing Right to Work laws in the face of traditional union support and continuing to protect Wall St.

Bernie's Revolutionaries might be the only way to save the DNC...

[Tom Servo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cos3eZcUsAAMcBJ.jpg

[mk]

Around here we have left, right and center plus greens and true fins.

Left has a part of very left, right has religious and swede parts,
greens are waving left and right,
center is not left with city and county parts and
true fins are national and social populists.
And all flanks are fluctuating.

As long as you have winner-takes-all you can of course forget all that.

My prediction is that your winner-takes-all is not going away but
Texas and Florida will turn permanently blue, eventually.
That then only shifts the true election to DNC since GOP stays so strong that splitting Dems is a risk.
No idea how blue the cornfields can change due immigration.

[21Kid]

My wife, a liberal Democrat, brought up an interesting idea after the Democratic convention finally ended the other night. And yes, both Obamas really can give one hell of a speech. And so can Slick Willie, although I confess that when I see him, I'm seeing SNL actors spoofing him in my mind at the same time, since he still has so many of the same mannerisms they made good fun of back then.

Anyway, remember when Trump first started and people thought perhaps he was just being a spoiler to help Hillary win? My wife brought up the idea that he still might be doing that. How else can any reasonable person explain the crazy shit he says, day after day, week after week, month after month?

The only good thing I can say about Trump is hopefully his candidacy will be the downfall of the Republican party and pave the way for some new, vibrant, young party with a small-government, balanced-budget platform to come along, and let not the religious zealots and gun nuts glom on to them as they did with the Tea Party, which looked promising for about ten minutes a long time ago.

Yup. :up:

[Crazed_Insanity]

The Path to Prosperity Is Blue

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/campaign-stops/the-path-to-prosperity-is-blue.html

Trickle down economics does not work.

Interesting!

However, it's still not overwhelmingly convincing though... Take medium income for example. #1 is a red state and it's Alaska?!?!?! Clearly that is not a typical red state. Now, when you look at a typical big blue state such as California... its medium income falls below blue average. And for NY, another typical blue state, fell below red average.

So political color isn't really a sure fire way of ensuring prosperity... but for sure cutting taxes and less regulation are NOT going to solve any of America's problems. You could say that perhaps taxes are the reason why US companies shelf money out of the country, but for sure our financial disaster wasn't caused by over regulation... I don't understand how they can still justify even less regulation now...

[Rikadyn]

Wonder what the chances are of the GOP falling apart, Dems become the new Republicans, and we get a proper progressive left party in the USA

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah I really hope that the Democratic Party doesn't become the Oligarchs Party. It costs Corporate America nothing to allow same-sex marriage, transgender people's rights, progressive paths to legal immigration and other social issues while still suppressing the vote in the DNC primaries, pushing Right to Work laws in the face of traditional union support and continuing to protect Wall St.

Bernie's Revolutionaries might be the only way to save the DNC...

So best case scenario is that Trump presidency will destroy the republican party or the hillary's presidency will destroy the democratic party... either way, they'll pave the way for a revolution later.

I think it's just too bad that democrats can only see the errors of republican's ways and refuse to see the errors of their own ways..., so they refuse to acknowledge Bernie's call for a 'revolution'. If such a revolution is warranted, then it makes Obama look bad I guess... No question that the Republican party is worse, but our current status quo path is also not that good. Whoever becomes president, hopefully he or she will just be a single termer.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wonder what the chances are of the GOP falling apart, Dems become the new Republicans, and we get a proper progressive left party in the USA

I think GOP has already fallen apart. Democrats ARE the new Republicans cozy up with the bankers..., but the problem is that people are forced to continue to play this 2 party game.

The only way for another party to come to the scene is for voters to actually vote for them.

Anyway, considering how buddy buddy Clintons and Trumps were before..., it's really hard for me to believe Trump can really turn around so much politically and psychologically to become the Trump of today.

My guess DNC chairwoman was tasked to torpedo Bernie... but Trump was probably initially sent to torpedo the Republicans... I honestly can't believe Trump is for real. He himself probably couldn't believe he has come this far... makes me wonder what was Trump's original motive/incentive to get in the race?

[21Kid]

Wonder what the chances are of the GOP falling apart, Dems become the new Republicans, and we get a proper progressive left party in the USA

That would be great. :)
It would be like the US of 30 years ago.

[Freude am Fahren]

Jon Oliver had a great analogy about the things Trump says/does. It's like a bed of nails. You're going to notice when you step on a nail. But when there are hundreds of them spread out under you, you can get away with it.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk862BbjWx4

[Freude am Fahren]

I think the logic of that video is a bit backwards. The Disney example has it the wrong way. Rather than being mad at Disney for trying to protect something they ripped off, they should be mad at Disney for ripping it off in the first place, and mad that the original laws weren't good enough.

I do agree that copyright law is too driven by profits rather than actual artistic integrity though.

[overpowered]

Most of the authors of the works Disney re-worked were long dead when Disney used them. Some of them (various Grimm tales for example) were really messed up and the Disney versions were much more palatable, especially for children.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0v9tvIYpfU

[overpowered]

Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html)

[Rikadyn]

That would be great. :)
It would be like the US of 30 years ago.

so...1986?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html)

So even less percentage of Americans picked Trump..., whew... now you don't guys have to feel so bad... at least there are only very small percentage of Americans are racist dumbasses!

[overpowered]

A few days ago, Nate Silver had the election close. Now, not so much.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUCnjlTfXDw

[mk]

My take for parties is that propability of parting GOP is higher than lower but its effect is minimal.
Propably just a blue president.
Congress is still combination of states and nothing really changes there.

Bernie went back to independency.
More theories of who's who.

What is small government, all I get here is federal, never local.

Don't know givers and takers eighter, it's not an issue here.
Intuition says that New England and West Coast are giving but then there is Detroit and Maine.
Not trying to combine unemployed ones in Long Island and Louisiana countrysides eighter.

For all kinds of belts I'd say that the bible one stays white and red, others can change.
And fields can actually be finally so automated that they are practically uninhabitated,
if not occupied by random neo-hippies.
Heh, two senators among few hundred hippies.

[21Kid]

so...1986?
I'm old... :(

But yeah, basically. Reagan would never be accepted into the GOP under today's platform.
After his initial cut, he raised taxes the next 7 years.
He supported extended background checks on firearms and wanted to ban assault weapons
He supported freedom of choice while Governor of CA (and although he promised to ban it when he ran for president, he never pursued it)
Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants
etc...

Sure, he also had some right leaning policies. But, nothing like the extreme that we see in today's Republican party.

[Crazed_Insanity]

A few days ago, Nate Silver had the election close. Now, not so much.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Jill stein dosent even show up?
This is assuming Bernie or bust people eventually falling in line, right?

My guess is that 3rd party should have record # of votes this time...hopefully more than Ross Perot to get the attention of the establishment.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'm old... :(

But yeah, basically. Reagan would never be accepted into the GOP under today's platform.
After his initial cut, he raised taxes the next 7 years.
He supported extended background checks on firearms and wanted to ban assault weapons
He supported freedom of choice while Governor of CA (and although he promised to ban it when he ran for president, he never pursued it)

Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants
etc...

Sure, he also had some right leaning policies. But, nothing like the extreme that we see in today's Republican party.

So Reagan was the Trump of yesterday? Lying and saying things people wanted to hear in order to win votes..., but once elected, I seriously doubt he will deliver on any of his promises.

[overpowered]

Donald Trump Hired Me As An Attorney. Please Don’t Support Him For President.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hired-me-as-an-attorneyplease-dont_us_579e52dee4b00e7e269fb30f

[Crazed_Insanity]

True that US presidency is for sure not dictatorship..., so it will inevitably cramp his style and ego. I really don't think he'll be able to accomplish much. Perhaps he can mount lots of law suits against Congress and the Supreme court? ;) The main thing that concerns me is that he could be a 'dictator' over seas by having full command of the US military..., That is the only area of concern for me...

Further, with that great big wall... how will he be able to finance that thing? With his own money?

The guy is indeed a liar... and chances are good that he won't fulfill any of the 'promises' he made.

For sure he is not fit for presidency, but it is also my personal opinion that Hillary is equally unfit if not more so.

They are both liars. Each is telling folks on either side the things they want to hear.

I used to like Hillary, however, she has fallen to the dark side.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who has the integrity to never join the dark side of the establishment.

We also don't have much to worry about Trump falling for the dark side mainly due to his ego... he probably thinks he's too good to join...

This election, I'm just interesting in crushing the establishment. Nothing really personal against the candidates.

I'm also glad that the Bern Revolution will carry on even without Bernie Sanders. It seems that he made an impact on the younger generations. Hopefully they won't be as polarizing and stupid as the older generations...

[overpowered]

For sure he is not fit for presidency, but it is also my personal opinion that Hillary is equally unfit if not more so.I don't know why I continue to do this to myself but:

How is she even remotely as unfit as Trump?

[overpowered]

Is Donald Trump just plain crazy?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/is-donald-trump-just-plain-crazy/2016/08/01/cd171e86-581d-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don't know why I continue to do this to myself but:

How is she even remotely as unfit as Trump?

Not trying to attack her on a personal level as if she's a worse human being than Trump... that is not what I'm saying.

I believe she is MORE unfit than Trump mostly because she has the support of the establishment, wall street bankers, etc.

I believe it's worse for the country to maintain status quo and better to try some sort of change...

If Trump is really as bad as people feared and actually able to deliver on his hateful promises, for sure I'll jump on the bandwagon of voting for whoever Democrats have to offer in 4 years. (I kinda doubt Trump is that capable...) If Democratic Party wised up and offered a better candidate like Sanders for next term, for sure I'll go for that! Chances of Trump getting a 2nd term is virtually none. Perhaps the Trump presidency will also allow his true supporters to see how fucked up he can be... or unable to deliver any of his promises...

Now, if Hillary's elected... chances are, we'll have status quo for 8 more years. Be realistic, what will the Republicans come up with to challenge Hillary in 4 years? Unless some crazy jerk even worse than Trump decided to join the race? Anyway, she most likely would've learned to cover her track better to not screw anything up...so I think re-election most likely won't be a problem, but in 8 more years, middle class will probably be gone, top 0.1% will probably be owning 99.9% of everything...

Anyway, this election is essentially and lose-lose situation for everyone... because both candidates are not good fits for the people of this country. It really is an irrelevant debate to try to figure out who is more unfit...

[overpowered]

You call her a liar but every fact check site ranks her among the most honest of the major candidates for this year (or the previous 2 POTUS elections). She's right up there with Bernie and some sources have her more honest than Bernie.

Every source has Trump among the most dishonest. He's not the most dishonest but these sources include the likes of Michelle Bachman and Ben Carson so he's got a lot of competition. He's not far behind them for lies.

She actually understands how the system works and understands international affairs and diplomacy. She knows how to play well with others. She's far more fit to be president than he is.

He's a thug in an expensive suit who's used to behaving as a dictator within his own organization. He's Tony Soprano but not as smart.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4HAxrFJFY0

[tigeraid]

By no means am I an expert on American politics, so.... What are the odds that, if Drumpf is elected, Congress can stymie him left, right and centre like they did Obama for four years?

I mean, it seems to me that all his outlandish bullshit ideas from a POLICY standpoint are less dangerous... The more dangerous thing is that he just pisses off a bunch of foreign delegates and world leaders with his complete lack of tact and intelligence, and starts World War 3. Whereas, for example, there's no fucking way he's ever building a wall over Mexico.

[overpowered]

We've already spent billions on the crappy fence that Bush approved and it doesn't have the coverage and is more easily defeated (wire cutters anyone?).

I don't have faith that a GOP congress will stop the wall.

There is some chance that the Democrats could take back control of the Senate or at least get it back to 50-50. There are 34 seats up for election and 14 of them are potentially flippable. Of those, 12 are currently held by the GOP. 5 of those are leaning GOP in the polls and 5 are considered a tossup and 2 are leaning Democrat. One of the Dem seats is leaning Dem and the other is tossup. If they take 6 of the 14, then it's 50-50. If they take 7 they have a majority again. If they take all 14, they still only have 58 (that's including Bernie) which means that the GOP will be able to continue to block everything with filibusters. Need 60 to stop the filibuster gridlock.

If they get to 50-50, then the V.P. of the U.S. breaks ties in the Senate which means that if Trump wins, then the Senate is still controlled by the Republicans.

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10154478906408117

[Crazed_Insanity]

We've already spent billions on the crappy fence that Bush approved and it doesn't have the coverage and is more easily defeated (wire cutters anyone?).

I don't have faith that a GOP congress will stop the wall.

There is some chance that the Democrats could take back control of the Senate or at least get it back to 50-50. There are 34 seats up for election and 14 of them are potentially flippable. Of those, 12 are currently held by the GOP. 5 of those are leaning GOP in the polls and 5 are considered a tossup and 2 are leaning Democrat. One of the Dem seats is leaning Dem and the other is tossup. If they take 6 of the 14, then it's 50-50. If they take 7 they have a majority again. If they take all 14, they still only have 58 (that's including Bernie) which means that the GOP will be able to continue to block everything with filibusters. Need 60 to stop the filibuster gridlock.

If they get to 50-50, then the V.P. of the U.S. breaks ties in the Senate which means that if Trump wins, then the Senate is still controlled by the Republicans.

Trump has 2 major parties against him, trust me, he's gonna be able to get NOTHING done.

GOP wish to build a wall? Let's see where they be able to find the money to fund that.

Even if there really is a wall, so what, what would be the harm done other than digging ourselves in to deeper financial hole? Is the view to Mexico really that important?

AS I said, the only scary thing with Trump presidency would be him commanding the US military....

But I wouldn't be surprised that our military would end up revolting against him because soldiers also sworn to defend the constitution. He may be able to start little wars, but shouldn't be able to cause major world wars..., but of course I can't guarantee any of it, just my gut feeling. This country doesn't receive dictators very well... and it's also very difficult to become a dictator in this country.

Trump presidency won't last long. Unless he changes his persona post election?

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k

[George]

A typical evening at my house - after all the "Daddy's home!" stuff with the kids, and when my wife and I get a minute to talk about the day, it goes like this:

"Did you hear what Trump said today?!"

"Which thing?"

"Well, I heard he said..."

"Yes! And then he said (or did, or whatever)... can you believe that?" and it goes on like that, with us both laughing and shaking our heads. Every day.

A thought, and this was my thought tonight, although I'm sure that like everything else, it has been said before:

At what point does Pence decide to save his own political career and step down, or step away, or whatever you call it when a VP candidate says, "hey folks, I made a mistake here. I will not be Trump's running mate."?

Cruz boldly distanced himself from Trump. Is Pence smart enough to do the same?

I also liked Obama's speech today about Trump, and what he said about McCain and Romney. For those who may have missed it went something like this (loosely quoting from memory): "while I may have disagreed with them politically, and would have been disappointed had they won, I never doubted that they could perform the job of president" - contrasting them (obviously) with Trump. Good on ya, Mr. President. I never voted for that dude (for similarly purely political differences of opinion), but I like him more and more.

[Sad, little man]

Everything that video said is true. But the smug voice-over set to the most purposefully non-threatening acoustic guitar muzak ever created still makes me hate it.

Oh, and there's one critical thing about the electoral college that that video leaves out. Its purpose is also so that if the people collectively elect a leader that is a complete buffoon, the electoral college can step in, override the will of the people, and keep the country on sound footing.

We may need the electoral college more than ever in a few months.

[21Kid]

I like his Animal Kingdom election videos (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7679C7ACE93A5638).
Especially the ones on alternative voting styles. We definitely need a new system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE&list=LLDcQE4d-AMZsf7zZ30RsDDQ&index=3

[Tom Servo]

The "Diamond Joe" Biden articles might be the thing I miss the most about this presidency

http://www.theonion.com/article/biden-regales-dnc-story-80s-girl-band-vixen-breaki-53366

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

[mk]

they still only have 58

If so then who they can buy and how?

How much is tax free year of a small state?
Maybe limit it to was there and stayed entities only or it's in the end a packed state.

If that then how is it done in practise, by single vote?

[overpowered]

Trump spokeswoman blames Obama for 2004 death of Captain Khan

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-spokeswoman-blames-obama-for-2004-death-of-capt-khan-226598


“It was under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton that changed the rules of engagement that probably cost his life,” spokeswoman Katrina Pierson said in an interview Tuesday with CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer. Khan died during the presidency of George W. Bush, while Obama was a state senator in Illinois.


Pierson also said in the CNN interview that Trump “never voted for the Iraq War.” BuzzFeed previously reported that Trump expressed support for the invasion during a 2002 interview with radio host Howard Stern.

[overpowered]

If so then who they can buy and how?

How much is tax free year of a small state?
Maybe limit it to was there and stayed entities only or it's in the end a packed state.

If that then how is it done in practise, by single vote?Not sure what you're asking. Maybe this will explain to you what I am taking about. It takes a 60-40 majority in the Senate to beat the filibuster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

[Tom Servo]

Pierson also said in the CNN interview that Trump “never voted for the Iraq War.” BuzzFeed previously reported that Trump expressed support for the invasion during a 2002 interview with radio host Howard Stern.

Heh, I like that they left out that he, like all other people outside of the federal government, weren't eligible to vote in the first place.

[overpowered]

I like his Animal Kingdom election videos (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7679C7ACE93A5638).
Especially the ones on alternative voting styles. We definitely need a new system.Yep.

The alternative vote (a.k.a. instant run-off vote) allows people to vote their conscience first and strategically second and eliminates the spoiler effect. While it still tends to devolve into a two party system, 3rd parties still enjoy more votes, especially 1st round votes and it better reflects what the people want.

There are other systems that are better for multi-seat bodies like congress such as single transferable vote and mixed member proportional representation which he also has videos explaining.

It will take a constitutional amendment to change this, which is always tough.

[overpowered]

Heh, I like that they left out that he, like all other people outside of the federal government, weren't eligible to vote in the first place.True, but when asked his opinion, he supported it.

At the time, I supported it, because I believed Bush's lies at the time.

[mk]

Not sure what you're asking.
General question how to fill the gap.

[overpowered]

Trump asks why US can't use nukes: MSNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTNllJWmhrg

[drew]

Trump asks why US can't use nukes: MSNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html


Wholly, and completely fucking terrifying.

How ANYBODY can vote for him is a fucking mystery. All the 'pro-Bernie-hate-Hillary' voters that are going to vote for Trump, fuck you.

While I'm still (barely clinging onto) thinking this is all just part of his "reality show, grab their attention" bullshit, the point remains, even if there's only 10% "truth" to anything he says, or intends to execute.

The flip side of course, being that he is running for fucking President, not reality show winner of that season.

The fact he absolutely cannot refuse/resist any rebuttal (regardless of how fucking stupid that rebuttal is) for anyone that questions him, or points out his flaws, should tell you a lot about how he may react to "they're being mean" in an international context, with fore-mentioned nukes at his fingertips.

Trump can go fuck himself, as can anyone planning on voting for him, for any reason. YOU'RE the problem. YOU'RE the reason he is where he's at.

Fuck this place.

[Tom Servo]

True, but when asked his opinion, he supported it.

At the time, I supported it, because I believed Bush's lies at the time.

Huzzah, I know exactly how I'll browbeat you when we're both up for some local office!

[overpowered]

Huzzah, I know exactly how I'll browbeat you when we're both up for some local office!And I'll have to admit to being gullible for believing Bush.

[21Kid]

Drew, it does seem like he just keeps pushing the crazy meter to see where the breaking point is.

[Phil_SS]

I think he did this all for publicity and doesn't really want to be there. He wanted to prove he could run a campaign like this and be successful. HUGELY successful.

He will get torn to shreds during the debates and I think he is trying his best to either get ousted or he may quit before they happen. He made a big huff about that they were scheduled during NFL games and lied about getting a letter from the NFL saying so, they quickly denounced what he said as a lie. The funny thing is that the debates were decided on last year at this time.

I think he is scared he will look like the dope he is against a women. His ego just can't handle that. You can tell he is a sexist pig who can't handle being made a fool of by a woman. And in front of a huge audience. I can literally see him leaving the stage after not being able to handle the ridicule. Just flat out walking out.

[21Kid]

That would be amazing! :lol:

[Alan P]

Whilst I don't actually believe he will win (but then I never thought we'd be leaving the EU) what worries me is he'd just surround himself with incompetent, sycophantic yes men who wouldn't dare go against him rather than doing it properly with advisors and military people who will tell him how it is, even if it's not what he wants to hear.

[MR2 Fan]

If Trump dropped out of the race now....man, that would be chaos on the GOP side...what would they do?

[drew]

Probably exhume Reagan and still pose a challenge...

[JoshInKC]

Theoretically they'd do the same thing they'd do if he (or any other party candidate) died while campaigning - get all the party bigwigs together in a room (possibly including representatives of each state via the same party delegates from the conventions) and try to hash out which guy they think will go down in flames for them/might be electable. So basically - the same thing they do at the conventions, but not surrounded by a bunch of pomp/circumstance and balloons.

[Jason]

I think he did this all for publicity and doesn't really want to be there. He wanted to prove he could run a campaign like this and be successful. HUGELY successful.

He will get torn to shreds during the debates and I think he is trying his best to either get ousted or he may quit before they happen. He made a big huff about that they were scheduled during NFL games and lied about getting a letter from the NFL saying so, they quickly denounced what he said as a lie. The funny thing is that the debates were decided on last year at this time.

I think he is scared he will look like the dope he is against a women. His ego just can't handle that. You can tell he is a sexist pig who can't handle being made a fool of by a woman. And in front of a huge audience. I can literally see him leaving the stage after not being able to handle the ridicule. Just flat out walking out.

I really hope the moderators keep him in check during debates, his go-to when backed into a corner is to interrupt, talk over, and insult. While Clinton is a pretty assertive politician, there's no way she's going to engage in a shouting/insult match. So if he's just railing into her all debate, she'll end up looking pretty weak and he'll 'win' the debates. Remember, a good portion of our population gives no shits about facts and policies.

[Jason]

If Trump dropped out of the race now....man, that would be chaos on the GOP side...what would they do?

I think if he drops out and they put another candidate in, the GOP will have a better chance at winning the election. The fact that Trump is this close in polling to Clinton shows that Clinton is a relatively weak candidate, imo.

[George]

If Trump dropped out of the race now....man, that would be chaos on the GOP side...what would they do?

Hey, George H.W. Bush still has four more good years left in him, and he's eligible, unlike (one of) his son(s), Slick Willie, and Obama. He wears cool socks, too. :up:

Hell, bring back Jimmy Carter! I hear he's doing fine, and...pausing to add respect...he's apparently cancer free. That's great, and I'm not making fun when I say that.

I say run a Bush/Carter ticket and let's enjoy the return of the WWII veteran presidents! :D

(I tried to find some SNL "Saturday TV Funhouse" cartoons of the Ex-Presidents superhero cartoons to post here, but I wasn't able to find them on YouTube)

[neanderthal]

I really hope the moderators keep him in check during debates, his go-to when backed into a corner is to interrupt, talk over, and insult. While Clinton is a pretty assertive politician, there's no way she's going to engage in a shouting/insult match. So if he's just railing into her all debate, she'll end up looking pretty weak and he'll 'win' the debates. Remember, a good portion of our population gives no shits about facts and policies.

This.


I think if he drops out and they put another candidate in, the GOP will have a better chance at winning the election. The fact that Trump is this close in polling to Clinton shows that Clinton is a relatively weak candidate, imo.

This too. Which is why I get the argument of the Bernie(bros) or Bust people who say they won't vote for Hillary. They (the people who voted for Hillary) are the people who put us in this mess by voting for the weaker (all polls showed Bernie beating Trump by much larger margins than Hillary.) candidate.

Hi Jason. I'm not on facebook anymore.

[Sad, little man]

This too. Which is why I get the argument of the Bernie(bros) or Bust people who say they won't vote for Hillary. They (the people who voted for Hillary) are the people who put us in this mess by voting for the weaker (all polls showed Bernie beating Trump by much larger margins than Hillary.) candidate.

Again, people who point out that Bernie polled better than Hillary against Trump are completely overlooking the fact that no one, neither Hillary or the Republicans, ever really went after Bernie with the same tenacity that the Republicans have been tearing into Clinton with for years in anticipation of her being the 2016 nominee. Bernie got a free ride because no one ever perceived him as a real, serious threat. He has plenty of things that he could have been attacked over, and would have been if he would have made it past the primary.

Pointing to polls of Hillary vs Bernie against Trump is the epitome of foolishness because it has never been a level playing field with regard to how much Hillary has been attacked compared to Bernie.

[overpowered]

In Oregon, all eligible voters are now registered voters unless they opt out.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-oregon-automatic-voter-registration-20150317-story.html

[overpowered]

Scenes from Trump rallies:

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/08/03/hang-btch-fg-ngger-uncensored-rally-videos-show-trumps-america-2/

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=10155071136994746

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb2NHTka-gw

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVrFvbh_27g

[Crazed_Insanity]

Again, people who point out that Bernie polled better than Hillary against Trump are completely overlooking the fact that no one, neither Hillary or the Republicans, ever really went after Bernie with the same tenacity that the Republicans have been tearing into Clinton with for years in anticipation of her being the 2016 nominee. Bernie got a free ride because no one ever perceived him as a real, serious threat. He has plenty of things that he could have been attacked over, and would have been if he would have made it past the primary.

Pointing to polls of Hillary vs Bernie against Trump is the epitome of foolishness because it has never been a level playing field with regard to how much Hillary has been attacked compared to Bernie.

No doubt Hillary had been under attack way more than Bernie, but people dislike Hillary not only because of the attacks...

Take a look at old videos or pictures of Bernie..., compare what he said and done in the past to the campaign of today. It's pretty much the same message.

Same cannot be said for either trump nor Hillary.

[21Kid]

Pointing to polls of Hillary vs Bernie against Trump is the epitome of foolishness because it has never been a level playing field with regard to how much Hillary has been attacked compared to Bernie.

However, he didn't get as much media attention as Hillary either. Most places pegged her as the nominee before he ever started. And even almost all delegates picked her before the first debate even happened. Had they been on even playing ground from the start, it would have ended much differently.
Harvard study confirms Bernie Sanders Was Right: Media Blackout Badly Hurt Campaign (http://reverbpress.com/features/bernie-sanders-was-right-media-blackout-badly-hurt-campaign-harvard-study-confirms/)
A new study by the Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy validates that critique, finding Sanders received far less media exposure than any other major political candidate in the race.


The study analysed “thousands of news statements by CBS, Fox, the Los Angeles Times, NBC, The New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post,” and concludes Sanders’ lack of coverage was most severe during the crucial “invisible primary,” or the months leading up to the Republican and Democratic primaries, when name-recognition and visibility are vital.

[21Kid]

Why campaign reporters want you to watch this video of Trump rallies

(http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/04/media/new-york-times-trump-rally-video/index.html)It is a three-minute mash-up of racist, sexist and violent language used by Trump supporters at the candidate's rallies. The typically prudish New York Times posted the video on Wednesday, making an exception to its rules against publishing vulgarities and slurs.
The video immediately got people talking. Reporters from many of The Times' rivals said it accurately reflected how some -- not all -- rallygoers behave.
"If you've never attended a Trump rally, you should watch this video. A glimpse into what you experience/hear," NPR's Asma Khalid tweeted.
Wall Street Journal reporter Ben Kesling agreed: "I've been covering Trump rallies across the U.S. since February, and this is accurate and even an incomplete picture."

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think those are the radicalized Trumpists... or perhaps Trump's just catering to their votes! Remember, people who actually voted for Trump are already a minority, the vile racists are probably an even smaller minority.

Clint Eastwood came out to say that he'll probably vote for Trump... I don't think he's totally in love with Trump, but did find his political incorrectness refreshing.

Anyway, who cares about Trump or his supporters. Do you really need to be that upset about it? Being racist is not okay, but being an ideologist is? People can't hate people of different race, but it's okay to hate people for their different ideologies? Why?

As long as we have laws in place protecting the minorities, why should anyone give a fuck what everyone thinks or believes in? Do we really need thought police?

Anyway, I'm still praying for wikileak to get Hillary indicted so Bernie can take over... voting for Jill Stein will sooth my conscience, but surely it still won't lead to any desirable outcome...

Will any of you be super mad if Hillary is indicted and Bernie takes over?

[Sad, little man]

Donald Trump campaigned in Maine today... Maine... Today, Donald Trump Campaigned in Maine... A state with two electoral votes... A state that he is forecast to have an 18% chance of winning... Maine

Does he even understand how the election works??

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sure he does... And so does Hillary...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-campaigning-maine-nebraska/story?id=41102797

[overpowered]

Stay classy Republican Party:

http://www.pe.com/articles/ready-809746-holding-republican.html

[overpowered]

Bernie's involved in the creation of a new organization called "Our Revolution". Its web address currently redirects to actblue.com with some tags for "ourrevolution" to give money. I don't know more than is in the article.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/08/03/bernie-sanders-seeks-contributions-our-revolution/88038338/

[G'day Mate]

Trump or Jesus?

http://trumporjesus.com/

[overpowered]

https://vimeo.com/177510593

[overpowered]

Trump or Jesus?

http://trumporjesus.com/Quite possibly the easiest online quiz ever -- but that was the point, of course.

[overpowered]

The evidence suggests that Melania worked illegally as a model in the U.S. while using a visitor Visa instead of a work Visa:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/did-melania-trump-lie-about-her-visa-status-and-wouldn-1784817339

[drew]

None of this shit is going to matter.

If he wins (god help us), that's the end.

If he loses, he's already played the "system is rigged card". That way, he can say "I told you", and everybody that supports him will lose their shit.

Reverse the candidates' statements/actions since this shit show started last year, and see how far Hillary would have gotten.

[overpowered]

Clint Eastwood says this 'pu**y generation' should just 'get over' Trump's racism.

http://www.someecards.com/news/politics/clint-eastwood-donald-trump/

[drew]

Clint Eastwood is slowly going the way of Ted Nugent.

Fuck them both.

[mk]

he's already played the "system is rigged card".
Scotus is 8.

[21Kid]

:sigh:

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13902765_10153592398686431_4380629211471284836_n.j pg?oh=6324b94c6270386b98828b0204dce8f4&oe=585C2AB6

I'm not sure it will be that simple this year, but we'll see.

[Alan P]

I wish it was only six months. :(

[overpowered]

This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSE-XoVKaXg

[overpowered]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/download/?fbid=1407440332600274

[overpowered]

Moderate republicans fighting back against right wing extremists in the party in Kansas:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/0803/How-moderate-Republicans-rebelled-against-the-far-right-in-Kansas

[overpowered]

Bernie Sanders has something to say to his supporters (especially the Bernie-or-Bust types):

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-20160805-snap-story.html

[overpowered]

Clinton’s Fibs vs. Trump’s Huge Lies

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/opinion/sunday/clintons-fibs-vs-trumps-huge-lies.html

[overpowered]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-l29hBQYZGcM/V6ZogDTCdfI/AAAAAAAAA94/er5c8eRhmhcMDczgwN_89k_-TIpJ3AtxwCL0B/s300-no/13907045_1643795802316533_7353115583624326223_n.jp g

[overpowered]

More on real time fact checking of Trump's constant stream of lies.

http://usuncut.com/politics/trump-getting-fact-checked-real-time/

[overpowered]

Trump New York Co-Chair Says 'There Is No Doubt' Obama Is Muslim

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carl-paladino-trump-muslim

Because dropping lots of bombs on muslims proves he's a muslim.....

[Freude am Fahren]

wait, but, uh....

Point taken though.

[Fast As Possible]

Killing other Muslims doesn't prove someone isn't, most victims of isis are muslim.

[overpowered]

Voter registration as democrat is up in the O.C.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-724744-republicans-democratic.html

[overpowered]

There are, of course, those who don't mind lowering themselves to Trump's level:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/26/larry-flynt-trump-is-like-mussolini-with-a-3-inch-dick.html

[overpowered]

Trump actually retracts one of his ridiculous lies:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/05/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-he-didnt-see-video-cash-being-tr/

[drew]

Will someone please, for fuck's sake, make this shit show end?

The only reason he retracted it, was to get in the headlines again. Which was the only reason he made it up to begin with.

Fuck Drumpf.

[21Kid]

He actually said that he gets Reality/Fox news confused.

[21Kid]

:lol: Even the Koch-funded Cato institute thinks Trump's economic plan is no good.

Why Trump's economic policy would be disastrous (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/opinions/trump-economic-policy-miron/index.html)

[Kchrpm]

He doesn't like it because it's not GOP-friendly enough. He complains that while it cuts taxes, and limits regulations on businesses, it also introduces trade limitations, and doesn't cut Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare.

[novicius]

Koch-funded? They're not alone -- there is a *ton* of corporate money running through Cato (and ALL conservative & liberal "think tanks"). :lol:

"Think Tanks" (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/think-tank-scholars-corporate-consultants.html?referer=https://m.facebook.com/)


Yet even as The Times was making inquiries about the potential for conflicts of interest among some think tank researchers, officials at a number of the nation’s most prominent institutions — including Brookings and the Peterson Institute for International Economics — acknowledged that they were revising conflict-of-interest policies.

“I think we have too much influence of funded research with clear interests at stake that is treated as though it is independent and academic research,” said Yochai Benkler, a professor at Harvard Law School and co-director of its Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society. “There is no culture in the discipline to mark funded research clearly, or systematically treat it as less reliable.”

...and of course the Snake turns to eat Itself:


Some scholars add another twist: They serve on corporate boards directly related to their areas of expertise at think tanks.
So the "scholars" join corporate leadership in order to advise/guide the business and then funnel money into their own research that will best serve the needs of the company -- all while whitewashing their papers through some "unpaid" post at a think tank. Damn. :smh:

[drew]

I'm clearly doing something wrong.

[novicius]

Yeah -- you're not a lobbyist. :lol:

[21Kid]

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974...


:finger:

[novicius]

No I mean that these days they're for hire to the highest bidder 'tis all. I don't know whose name is on the deed or anything. :lol:

[21Kid]

I know. ;)

I really wished both political parties cared about the citizens... instead of just sticking it to the other guy. :( It's truly sad.

Last January, Louisiana voters elected John Bel Edwards governor (the only Democrat governor in the Deep South). On just his second day in office he signed an executive order that made Louisiana the 31st state to expand Medicaid, which is a crucial part of Obamacare. Edwards’s predecessor, Bobby Jindal, rejected the measure on the grounds – and I’m not making this up – that expanding access would “jeopardize the care of the most vulnerable in our society.”

The law is having a transformative effect, according to a recent article in the Los Angeles Times. “Patients burst into tears at this city’s glistening new charity hospital when they learned they could get Medicaid health insurance,” Noam Levey reported. One doctor said telling patients that they were eligible for health care coverage – something most of us take for granted — was like telling them, “I cured cancer.”

Residents who had held off getting prescriptions filled or postponed screenings or seeing a doctor are now able to do so with Medicaid coverage.

This is a great public policy story — one that shows how a targeted effort using government resources for the most vulnerable can produce positive, even life-changing results. But the political part of the story is less great in the 19 states that have continued to reject calls for expansion.

Not coincidentally, all 19 have either a Republican governor or a Republican state legislature. While many of these states have argued that the costs will be prohibitive, it’s long past time to discard this dishonest talking point.

But in the 19 GOP-controlled states that continue to refuse Medicaid expansion, a different choice is being made: to put political preservation and hatred of President Obama above the needs of their citizens. Not surprisingly, these states are among the unhealthiest in the nation, with some of the highest rates of illnesses and deaths from diseases that are often easily preventable.

There might not be a bigger and more shameful political story in America today than this one. And there also might not be a better example of the fundamental divide that separates America’s two political parties.
In Louisiana, what a difference a Democrat makes (https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/08/08/louisiana-what-difference-democrat-makes/SsWMOft2LgMDOdpIMa8J3M/story.html)

[overpowered]

U.S. Chamber sues over rules that discourage companies from moving overseas to avoid taxes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/04/business-groups-are-suing-over-rules-to-stop-tax-dodging-mergers/

Who does the U.S. Chamber of Commerce work for?

[Random]

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world’s largest business organization representing the interests of more than 3 million businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions.


:)

[21Kid]

I never realized that...:o

[overpowered]

Exactly.

[Freude am Fahren]

Trump basically endorses assassinating Hillary Clinton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4&ab_channel=VictoriaApplegate

[Phil_SS]

Trump has my vote now. I mean how could I not vote for a guy that said "titties".

[drew]

Fucking hell.

[Fast As Possible]

Politics is the new stand up comedy.

[Rikadyn]

https://youtu.be/lrDDkKPUFa4

just for comic relief i suppose

[Fast As Possible]

lolbertarians are always for comedic effect

[overpowered]

https://youtu.be/lrDDkKPUFa4

just for comic relief i supposeVermin is a joke on purpose. Trump doesn't realize that he's a joke.

[21Kid]

Christie caught flat out lying (http://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2016/08/aide-said-christie-flat-out-lied-according-to-baronis-bridgegate-filing-104625).


During a December 2013 press conference, the Republican governor was asked if he could “say with certainty” that no one on his staff was involved in the closure of access lanes to the George Washington Bridge three months earlier.

Christie said he was certain, and specifically said top aide and campaign manager Bill Stepien had no role in the incident.
“Oh yeah. I've spoken to Mr. Stepien, who's the person in charge of the campaign, and he has assured me the same thing,” Christie said.

But as the governor was talking, two other aides were exchanging text messages that directly contradicted what the governor was saying. Christie aide Christina Renna, the top deputy to one of the defendants charged in the lane closure scandal, then texted another Christie aide, Peter Sheridan, according to the filing by defendant Bill Baroni.
“Are you listening? He just flat out lied about senior staff and Stepien not being involved,” Renna wrote.
“I'm listening... Gov is doing fine. Holding his own up there,” Sheridan responded.
“Yes. But he lied. And if emails are found with the subpoena or [Governor Christie's re-election campaign] emails are uncovered in discovery if it comes to that it could be bad."
Several spokespeople for the governor did not immediately respond to a request for comment. I'd be amazed if something came of this though... :smh: I'd love to be proven wrong. But, even with direct proof I doubt anything will happen. :(

[novicius]

Trump basically endorses assassinating Hillary Clinton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcxkkrNSv-4&ab_channel=VictoriaApplegate
I am *so* very glad this is gaining some sort of traction in the media. Most of the offensive shit he says or happens at his rallies is just straight ignored. :smh:

[21Kid]

He's said now that he meant to incite the 2nd amendment people to get out and vote. How ridiculous is it to suggest that I meant otherwise!
Well, when you talk about wanting to punch people at almost every rally, it instills a sense of violence.

Chris Shays: Why I'm voting for Hillary Clinton (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/opinions/chris-shays-why-im-voting-for-hillary-clinton/index.html)
Very well put. :clap:

During the 34 years I served as a Republican elected official in Connecticut, 13 years in the State House of Representatives, and 21 years in Congress, I always voted for our Republican candidate for governor and our Republican candidate for president.

Always, but not this time.
Donald Trump lost me a long time ago.

I know some want to stick it to the so-called establishment, reject the status quo, and they see Trump as their vehicle. And I know some Republicans dislike President Obama, and have such a strong dislike for Hillary Clinton, they are willing to vote for a man they know does not have the temperament, knowledge or experience to be president.
In fact, I think many Republicans know Donald Trump could cause great damage to our country and the world at large, and still plan to vote for him. But not me. He represents practically everything I was taught not to be, and everything my wife and I taught our daughter not to be.
Clinton, the Democratic candidate for president, will be getting my vote, not reluctantly, but with a strong conviction that she will be a good president.

She has made some mistakes and I would love it if she had done some things differently. But this I know: Clinton does her homework, and she learns from her mistakes. She is smart, tough, highly knowledgeable and has shown she is genuinely willing to work with Republicans and anyone else to address the countless problems that confront our nation.
Clinton proved her worth in the Senate -- and her willingness to reach out to others. I saw this firsthand as a Republican congressman from New England, and more personally as chairman of the National Security Committee of the Government Oversight Committee.

My committee held one of the first hearings on the illnesses afflicting those who worked tirelessly at the twin towers site to find 9/11 survivors and clean it up. At the time, Republicans were in charge of the White House and Congress, and Clinton, who participated in our House hearing as the Democratic senator from New York, could have taken a very partisan position. Instead she chose to be an important part of the solution, which she definitely was.
As first lady, and more so as senator, being part of the solution was the kind of role she continually fulfilled.

To be completely candid, I have expressed my share of criticism over the years for the very person I intend to vote for. Some of that criticism was deserved, but again, being completely candid, some criticism was expressed more harshly than I wished, or knew was deserved. I have a sense I am not alone in this regard.
When I think of the numerous challenges confronting our nation, I want a president who is knowledgeable, experienced, articulate and tough. I want a president who knows the world and its leaders, the Congress and the White House, and has an innate understanding of the challenges facing everyday Americans.

And I want a president who will attract thoughtful and talented people to work in her administration, and who will continually seek the support of both Democrats and Republicans. By working with all Americans, Clinton will ensure the inspired efforts of our Founding Fathers -- who toiled unceasingly to create a Constitution designed to enable a diverse people, through the art of compromise, to find common ground -- were not in vain.
While no candidate is perfect and while nothing is certain, I am convinced that Hillary Clinton has what it takes to make our government truly work as our Founding Fathers intended. That is why as a Republican she has my strong support, and my vote this November.

[novicius]

Damn my eyes that was beautifully written. :up: :up:

[Tom Servo]

Hey, you can say one thing for the guy, at least he's consistent!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/?ICID=ref_fark&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark

[Kchrpm]

I'm *really* hoping for live fact-checking during the debates, and, fingers crossed, rebuttals during them that point out inaccuracies and ask for a rebuttal.

"Mrs. Clinton, our research team believes that your assertion during the global economy discussion of xyz was slightly off because of abc, does that change your stance?"

"Mr. Trump, our research team believes that half of what you've said for the last hour is completely wrong because of abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw, does that change your stance?"