Politics

[drew]

I don't even think the debates could be summarized as "not even the same league". I don't even think it's the same sport with these two.

It's going to be an all-around as-whopping, and I can't fucking wait to watch it.

Provided Trump stops making bogus excuses about why he's not happy with the schedule. (maybe he knows he's going to have his ass handed to him, and is stalling?)

[MR2 Fan]

I'm *really* hoping for live fact-checking during the debates, and, fingers crossed, rebuttals during them that point out inaccuracies and ask for a rebuttal.

"Mrs. Clinton, our research team believes that your assertion during the global economy discussion of xyz was slightly off because of abc, does that change your stance?"

"Mr. Trump, our research team believes that half of what you've said for the last hour is completely wrong because of abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw, does that change your stance?"

I think a buzzer, gong, trap door would also be appropriate

[21Kid]

There was an episode (http://freakonomics.com/tmsidk/)of the Freakonomics podcast where they did that.


Tell Me Something I Don’t Know

Tell Me Something I Don’t Know is a new live event and podcast hosted by Stephen J. Dubner, bringing together big names from business, the arts, science, academia, and entertainment. It’s equal parts game show, talk show, and brain-tease, in which audience members present an “IDK” — something that other people might not know — to a panel of celebrities and experts. The panelists will then interrogate the guest presenter (gently, of course) and help make us all a bit smarter. Think of the most crackling dinner-party conversation you’ve ever heard.

Be a guest presenter!
We are looking for guest presenters to get up on stage and present their IDKs. It might be an unheralded technological breakthrough; a new line of important research; a cultural quirk; a historical wrinkle; or perhaps just a great, unasked question. All we ask is that it’s interesting (at least to you), worth knowing (at least a little bit), and — well, true (there will be a fact-checker on hand).

[21Kid]

:twitch:

“I’m a truth teller,” the Republican nominee told CNBC on Thursday. “All I do is tell the truth. And if at the end of 90 days I fall short because I’m somewhat politically [incorrect] even though I’m supposed to be the smart one and even though I’m supposed to have a lot of good ideas, it’s OK. You know, I go back to a very good way of life.”

[21Kid]

Not that anyone needs another reason to despise Drumpf...

FOX NEWS AND TRUMP COOKED UP A HUGE LIE ABOUT HIM ‘RESCUING’ STRANDED MARINES IN THE 90S (http://winningdemocrats.com/fox-news-and-trump-cooked-up-a-huge-lie-about-him-rescuing-stranded-marines-in-the-90s/)


Republicans used to hold our military as a sacred institution. They’d lie willingly about anything, and exploit tragedy for any end, but they usually left our troops alone because they seemed to respect them. 2016 has become the year that rule is no longer valid for the party, as you’ll see below.

Hannity ran a story on his website, May 19th, 2016, about how Donald Trump rescued group of marines who came home from the gulf war only to be stranded in North Carolina, far from their homes in Miami Florida.

The real story here is that the Trump Shuttle, which was contracted out to the military, was used to take the troops from North Carolina to Florida. Trump didn’t send his personal jet. He had nothing to do with it. He wasn’t even aware that it was happening because these planes were not under his direction at the time. It would have been impossible for Trump personally to have directed the military on what to do with the planes they were essentially renting from Trump. The likelihood that the U.S. military would have even accepted Trump’s phone call is absolute zero, and the likelihood that they’d have taken orders from him personally is less than that.

[drew]

What the fuck, as I originally typed "seriously, fuck this guy",

this happens:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html

So there you have it. How do you distract people from inciting "2nd amendment people" from "taking care" of Clinton?

Flat out claim Obama founded ISIS.


I'd say this has gone full retard, but I'm not sure that fully describes how utterly moronic and downright fucking stupid it is.

[Phil_SS]

It really is amazing. It is an everyday SNL skit.

It is becoming quite clear he doesn't know what to do and his only way of reacting is to attack even it is the most inane ridiculous thing to say. I still believe this is just a big publicity stunt that has gone to far.

[Kchrpm]

And just think, this is how so many people view themselves. He is the self-made, mind-speaking, expert-deal-maker that they all are in their minds, and everything he's been saying (even the lies) are what they have always believed.

[drew]

That's the scarier part. his diehard, chest-thumping followers see no foul in any thing he says, they just pound their chests harder.

It seems like it's a majority of people too.

Which again, is fucking scary.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://twitter.com/TheBillyWest/media

Billy West is doing a bunch of Trump quotes in the voice of Zapp Brannigan. It's perfect.

[Tom Servo]

Trump Exposes Trump


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSE-XoVKaXg

[overpowered]

I posted that on post #5961 of this thread but....it probably can't be reposted enough.

[overpowered]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-tell-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-to-de-fund-trump/


More than 70 Republicans have signed an open letter urging RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to cut off funding to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and instead use the funds to finance Republican senate and house races, according to a letter obtained by CBS News.

"We believe that Donald Trump's divisiveness, recklessness, incompetence, and record-breaking unpopularity risk turning this election into a Democratic landslide, and only the immediate shift of all available RNC resources to vulnerable Senate and House races will prevent the GOP from drowning with a Trump-emblazoned anchor around its neck," a draft of the letter stated. "This should not be a difficult decision, as Donald Trump's chances of being elected president are evaporating by the day."

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqA2Hs5dTFM

[Kchrpm]

Maybe he's a time-travelling trickster.

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-finally-tells-a-lie-worth-believing-1785180938

[21Kid]

:lol:
Or he's just so used to lying that he doesn't bother checking anything...

[novicius]

And just think, this is how so many people view themselves. He is the self-made, mind-speaking, expert-deal-maker that they all are in their minds, and everything he's been saying (even the lies) are what they have always believed.
David Cross' latest stand-up act on Netflix "Making America Great Again" addresses this phenomenon.

Just ride-out the dead baby jokes.

[overpowered]

David Cross' latest stand-up act on Netflix "Making America Great Again" addresses this phenomenon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GBeq5CHZAw&t=23m48s

:up:

[overpowered]

Wondering What a Trump Presidency Would Be Like? Look to Maine.

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/48723/

[overpowered]

Iranian men donning hijab in support of ending the law requiring women to wear them:

http://secondnexus.com/social/iranian-men-don-hijabs

[overpowered]

Spread this STD

https://stddonald.com/

[Freude am Fahren]

Trumps going off on media and "anonymous sources". Yet everything he says, he attributes to "people are saying".

[Crazed_Insanity]

Spread this STD

https://stddonald.com/
Not sure spreading anything trump is productive here... This is how he arrived in the first place!

[21Kid]

1885

[novicius]

So true. :lol:

[21Kid]

Republicans got scammed by Trump's creation myth (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-wealth-myth_us_57b09a63e4b007c36e4f1bff)

Yup...That's what happens when you go off of feelings instead of facts and history.


“He’s the master of the long con, pretending to be something he isn’t to scam the next victim,” Wilson said. This time, he added, the victim is the GOP itself.

For the past year, Donald Trump has been selling himself to Republican voters and party leaders as a master developer, casino mogul, airline executive and all-around brilliant businessman.

What they didn’t hear much about, though, was his single greatest talent: master self-promoter.
Now, with the general election just three months away, they are learning they may have been sold a bill of goods. That Trump was actually a so-so developer. That his casinos failed and pushed him to the edge of personal bankruptcy. That his airline was a money-losing vanity project that he eventually lost when he missed loan payments. That his business acumen, far from brilliant, is now fodder for millions of dollars’ worth of negative TV ads.

“He is, as someone said, the hobo’s idea of a billionaire,” said Rick Wilson, a Florida political consultant who is now working for independent candidate Evan McMullin. “I’ve had donors say: ‘I’m a billionaire. Trump’s a clown with a credit card.’”

“Trump is the master of creating a perception that he is successful, when he has used aggressive lawsuits and multiple bankruptcies in attempts to mask huge failures,” said Texas Republican consultant Matt Mackowiak.

[novicius]

While all true, the GOP leadership did NOT choose him. He entered and won their Primary.

The only real fault of the GOP was being unable to find some 6'+ tall ex-military type with Desert Storm experience willing to lay down their life to run for President. Wonder why that's such a tough search?

[21Kid]

True

[Crazed_Insanity]

Whether it's Bill Clinton and George W Bush, they both avoided their military services.

Even the real Generals in the Military... such as Patraeus, would fool around and fuck himself over...

There are probably lots of good servicemen around, but they most likely end up as the fall guys whether on battlefields or in their careers... and should a few good men really rise to the top, they probably don't care to join washington politics.

We've seen what the best GOP has to offer... and they're all pretty pathetic.

Democrats are not that great either.

I wish more democrats/media would create more positive contents about Hillary, but insteand, the whole election seems to be about making Trump looks bad.

Com'on, how hard it is to make Trump look bad? But such free press is what propelled him into stardom. Bad press is way better than on press. This master manipulater knows how to work the public.

If Hillary cannot show the world how good she is, I really don't think she's going to win simply by making Trump looking bad. His supportors will love him no matter what the trump haters say...

[Kchrpm]

It's not the Trump supporters you need to convince right now. It's the people that think they both suck and aren't interested in voting for either. You have to convince them that it does actually matter which one wins enough that they should make the effort.

[overpowered]

Another racist riding the Trump wave:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/meet-minnesotas-mini-trump/495641/

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's not the Trump supporters you need to convince right now. It's the people that think they both suck and aren't interested in voting for either. You have to convince them that it does actually matter which one wins enough that they should make the effort.

That's true... and that's me.

I guess there's really nothing Hillary can do to make me want to vote for her...

The deal break with me for Trump was the lack of tax returns.

The deal maker with me for Hillary was Bernie as running mate... or at least Warren as running mate.

I want to vote for somebody who I really want in the WH. At this point, my best candidate is still Jill Stein. The more dirt people dug up about Trump won't really change my mind. My mind needs to be changed with regard to Hillary.

Even Bernie Sanders' endorsement wasn't enough to change my mind... so, even I'm not sure what else can Hillary do to change my mind. She gotta do something spectacular to surprise me I guess.... ;)

[Kchrpm]

The number of people that won't bother voting far outstrips the number of people that are considering voting for a third-party candidate. You're a special snowflake that just wants one of the candidates to make you feel like you matter, rather than all the people at home who need to be convinced that the whole thing matters.

[21Kid]

Ivanka Trump Is On Vacation With Vladimir Putin’s Girlfriend (http://www.rickey.org/ivanka-trump-is-on-vacation-with-putins-girlfriend-see-sweet-photo/297145/)
:lol:

Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump is currently on vacation with Wendi Deng Murdoch, ex-wife of FOX News founder Rupert Murdoch, and now the current girlfriend of Russian President Vladimir Putin. Ivanka shared a sweet photo with Wendi on Instagram from Dubrovnik, Croatia. Us Weekly reported last March that Wendi is dating Putin. Donald Trump isn’t even trying to hide or lie about his connections to Russia anymore. Amaze.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The number of people that won't bother voting far outstrips the number of people that are considering voting for a third-party candidate. You're a special snowflake that just wants one of the candidates to make you feel like you matter, rather than all the people at home who need to be convinced that the whole thing matters.

I'm more and more convinced that, although we are more polarized than ever, election outcome really matters very little. From a global point of view, did the USA change that much from W to Obama? We're still the same evil empire in the eyes of the rebel jihadists.

Capitalistic W was forced into socialistically bailing out wall st. Socialistic Obama was also unable to regulate/reform wall st from screwing up again.

In the end, same difference.

With regard to Supreme Court justice..., president doesn't have the final say. Further, people can change over time... Nobody can have full control of these justices once they're in. Anyway, I trust the current process won't end up with a member of the kkk or any sort of extremist in the Supreme Court. Donald trump won't have that much pull in DC.

I just don't want to play the lesser of the 2 evils game any more...

Voting for Obama was a no brainer, I don't think I'd prefer Bernie over Obama at the time..., but after 8 years of Obama, have you seen satisfactory change? Do you really believe Hillary will do better?

No Trump won't do better, but at least the establishment will be forced to rethink their ways...

I do secretly hope for a slim Hillary victory with a sizable 3rd party votes to maximize the message to the establishment while not causing too much disruption...

The last thing I want to see is a landslide Hillary victory... Because that will mean the end of a 'revolution'... And I'm pretty sure the establishment will then become the terminal cance that'll soon destroy America and bring down the rest of the world with it...

[Kchrpm]

From a global point of view, did the USA change that much from W to Obama?
Ask all the people that couldn't get healthcare before, but can now. The rest of the world thought (and still think) that it's crazy that people in the US can go bankrupt because they get sick or hurt. How many of your friends have you seen need to start some kind of social campaign just to pay to keep themselves alive? I have at least two personally.

[21Kid]

One of our very own (https://www.youcaring.com/tyler-calvert-589132#.V2liZg3rJ8w.facebook) even...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Obamacare doesn't cover the entire globe, again, I'm talking from a global point of view, whether from terrorists or financial folks... did the regime change altered much for them?

Obamacare is certainly good in theory, but I don't think we've worked out all the kinks yet, right? Ideally, it should be so good that I'd want to give up my medical insurance at work and go with Obamacare! Universal healthcare is definitely a good ideal, but should it really be shoved down everyone's throats? Just as I think Jesus is a great ideal, but should Jesus be shoved down everyone's throats?

I really think govt should just have 2 healthcare systems, one blue and one red. Registered Republicans can only have the red option and registered democrats can only have the blue option... and the rest can have a choice between the red or blue or whatever else available. Each can work on their own system to make it better without the other side fucking with it or blocking it or repealing it...

Americans bickering at each other is at a ridiculous level and experiencing unprecedented grid locks...; however, the establishment can easily cross party lines and get the jobs done for the rich.

I really don't think this should continue. With Hillary, I know it'll continue.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ivanka Trump Is On Vacation With Vladimir Putin’s Girlfriend (http://www.rickey.org/ivanka-trump-is-on-vacation-with-putins-girlfriend-see-sweet-photo/297145/)
:lol:

chelsea clinton and ivanka trump are friends too..., but so what if he has connections to both the Clintons and Putin?

Must it be a liability to be socially connected to foreign leaders? Could be an asset too.

I think it's much better this way... rather than hiding stuff on your tax returns and on your basement servers.

[Kchrpm]

Obamacare is certainly good in theory, but I don't think we've worked out all the kinks yet, right? Ideally, it should be so good that I'd want to give up my medical insurance at work and go with Obamacare!
You don't even understand what Obamacare is, and you're criticizing it.

"Obamacare" isn't a medical insurance. It was a set of rules for medical insurance, that included minimum coverage that all plans (which are still provided by the same private companies) must have, and that said no one could be denied coverage for prior conditions if they paid the premiums, but in exchange said that all people must have coverage (so that people don't just wait until they get sick and then buy coverage).

Based on your complete inability to understand that simple premise, despite the fact that it's been highly covered in the news for years now, and yet you want to bring it up as a negative mark on how our political system works and how effective a president can be, should tell you something about yourself. You are part of the problem. You are part of the group of people that thinks nothing is being done because you don't understand what's being done even when it's being explained to you over and over again in a multitude of ways and from a multitude of angles.

Before you make any more complaints about who can or can't do what, and therefore tell people with authority what they should or shouldn't do, perhaps you should actually educate yourself more.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Very well. Just assume people who disagree with your are dumb and uneducated. If you want to believe Obamacare is perfect and doesn't deserve any criticism, so be it. I am actually for it, but I certainly don't think it's perfect yet..., I'm sure even Obama thinks there's plenty of room for improvement.

Anyway, I think it's clear people won't change any minds..., so I might as well just shut up and stay out of this thread and let you guys go back to bashing Trump. If I have something to bash Trump about, maybe I'll return... in the meantime, I'll be educating myself about how to best alter the US political system in the future so that we can do away with this less of 2 evils crap.

[Kchrpm]

Very well. Just assume people who disagree with your are dumb and uneducated. If you want to believe Obamacare is perfect and doesn't deserve any criticism, so be it.

You don't...it's...the problem isn't that you think Obamacare is flawed (it is, like everything else in the world), the problem is you don't know what it is!

[Kchrpm]

in the meantime, I'll be educating myself

Please do.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Is Obamacare so sacred that one cannot see it as anything less than perfect?

When have I said that it's fundamentally flawed and needed to be repealed?

Anyway, for sure I have to concede that I'm not an expert of it, but I'm pretty sure it's not perfect and with lots of kinks. Ideally, we shouldn't only have poor people on universal healthcare. The system isn't perfect yet and still deserves to be criticized... in order to be made better!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/sunday-review/sorry-we-dont-take-obamacare.html?_r=0

Lastly, regarding what I 'know', I know Hillary wasn't the better candidate than Obama 8 years ago. I know she still won't be the better candidate now. Yes, she's better than Trump, but that's no longer enough to earn my vote. I don't need to know all the details of Obamacare to 'know' these things. I don't trust the leadership of either Hillary nor Trump, so I'm not going to vote for them...and that's that.

[Kchrpm]

Is Obamacare so sacred that one cannot see it as anything less than perfect?

Did you understand anything I wrote? I didn't say it was perfect, I specifically said it was flawed. I simply said that you should better understand what it actually is before you criticize something it isn't.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Look, wasn't really here to talk about obamacare... If it's a huge success, I won't vote Hillary, if it's a huge failure, I still won't vote trump. Our political system has a much bigger problem than obamacare.

If there's anything you can show me about Hillary, please do, I most likely won't bother try to study up on her anymore.

[Freude am Fahren]

Thick as it comes...

Anyway, the 9/11 guy forgot about 9/11...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZqRPSvn0s&ab_channel=SarahBurris

[Rikadyn]

Ideally, we shouldn't only have poor people on universal healthcare. The system isn't perfect yet and still deserves to be criticized... in order to be made better!


we don't have anyone on universal healthcare

[Tom Servo]

I've got him on ignore, but thanks to the quotes I can see that that continues to be the right choice. Still unable to see anything in shades of grey...if you like the Affordable Care Act, that must mean you think it's perfect and nothing should change, and unless it's perfect, then it means that Obama has done nothing of value. There is no honest debate, only an attempt to create a black/white question where one answer is obviously false and the other one validates everything he's ever said.

"I mean, what has the atmosphere done for us? It's got smog in it sometimes, or do you think it's just always blue and wonderful?"

"Well, obviously it's not always blue and wonderful, but it's a vast improvement over no atmosp..."

"See, it's all smog and we should just be done with it."

[Crazed_Insanity]

My main complaint about our political system isn't even obamacare..., but now all of a sudden it is used against me.

Anyway, this election is a pretty lame one... No matter how dark trump is painted, Hillary just won't be seen any brighter to me.

Maybe I'm just too dumb and uneducated... Sorry guys!

[overpowered]

Thick as it comes...

Anyway, the 9/11 guy forgot about 9/11...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZqRPSvn0sI was just about to post that. The guy is lost.

[neanderthal]

My main complaint about our political system isn't even obamacare..., but now all of a sudden it is used against me.

Anyway, this election is a pretty lame one... No matter how dark trump is painted, Hillary just won't be seen any brighter to me.

Maybe I'm just too dumb and uneducated... Sorry guys!

Obamacare is just one example of something you clearly don't understand, yet have very strong, very uneducated, opinions about. And rather than learn about it, you continue to defend your uneducated ignorant opinion. THAT'S THE PROBLEM your intransigence.

I don't think any one of us here claims to know errthang, but most of us are easily corrected when presented with clear information that goes against our current dogmas. You're the special case that prefers to reinforce your position because you're comfortable with it, rather than challenge it and reassess and reposition your ideologies.

Could you even tell us in 5 sentences what Obamacare does/ did that previously wasn't done with our prior healthcare system?

Knowledge requires learning.

[G'day Mate]

So it seems to me that Trump is slowly losing support as more and more people seem to realise he's treating everyone like fools. Could it be there's a possibility that, between now and the election, people will become complacent about the amount of anti-Trump support allowing him to get over the line?

[Tom Servo]

Well, that decides it then. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/319432090078830592



I played football and baseball, sorry, but said to be the best bball player in N.Y. State-ask coach Ted Dobias-said best he ever coached.

[Tom Servo]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/517293224831234048



How is ABC Television allowed to have a show entitled "Blackish"? Can you imagine the furor of a show, "Whiteish"! Racism at highest level?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Obamacare is just one example of something you clearly don't understand, yet have very strong, very uneducated, opinions about. And rather than learn about it, you continue to defend your uneducated ignorant opinion. THAT'S THE PROBLEM your intransigence.

I don't think any one of us here claims to know errthang, but most of us are easily corrected when presented with clear information that goes against our current dogmas. You're the special case that prefers to reinforce your position because you're comfortable with it, rather than challenge it and reassess and reposition your ideologies.

Could you even tell us in 5 sentences what Obamacare does/ did that previously wasn't done with our prior healthcare system?

Knowledge requires learning.

Before I try to pass the Obamacare test, can you guys go back to my posts and find out what exactly was my strong opinion about Obamacare?

As far as I remembered, I had none.

I only asked Kchrpm what was the big change between W and Obama from a global(outsider's) perspective.

Obamacare is not really relevant to terrorists or global financial markets.

[Tom Servo]

The problem was that you appear to insist that "Obamacare" be perfect to consider it an improvement/change.

It's that same black & white shit you always pull. It has to be perfect, or it's nothing.

The Affordable Care Act was a vast improvement for literally millions of people who could not get health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. We had a situation where people who were sick literally could not get health insurance. People who might have even had insurance when they got sick, but lost it due to losing a job or what have you. People who put thousands upon thousands of dollars into their insurance would get sick, lose their jobs because they were sick, lose the insurance they had through their job, and be either sentenced to death or a life of crushing debt. For the millions, and I want to stress this because you don't seem to get it, the MILLIONS of people this happens to, it's a massive improvement.

But you have this ridiculous standard that the solution must be perfect in all ways or it is nothing. You do this *constantly*. Nobody is criticizing you about Obamacare. Everyone is criticizing you because you seem to be completely unable to see incremental improvements as improvements, and often argue that if you can't completely fix a problem then it's not worth even attempting to fix a problem. You are the very definition of perfection being the enemy of progress.

Yet, somehow, you never see this. You never see the underlying problem. You insist on blaming the argument on the latest symptom, which is yet another symptom of the very thing we complain about.

And I'm sure you'll argue back at this post again specifically talking about Obamacare, completely missing the bigger picture. You'll say "well, there's this problem with it, am I supposed to kneel down and see it as the greatest thing that has ever happened", once again creating a false dichotomy that nobody but you believes exists. And once again, you'll absolve yourself of any rational thought and declare yourself the victor, confidently returning to derail the next rational discussion.

My goal now is to learn where this masochistic streak in me lies that makes me click on "View Post" even once, at all, on your posts. I need to learn my lesson, as I have clearly not learned it yet.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Calm down Tommy, find the post where I insisted obamacare need to be perfect.

[21Kid]

I've got him on ignore, but thanks to the quotes I can see that that continues to be the right choice." :lol: Agree'd. Even more seeing all of the posts between yours and this one.
There's no point in conversing with someone who lacks basic comprehension.


intransigenceOOOoooh, good word.

[21Kid]

Thick as it comes...

Anyway, the 9/11 guy forgot about 9/11...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZqRPSvn0s&ab_channel=SarahBurris

I was just about to post that. The guy is lost.


Looks like there was more to it (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/08/15/rudy_giuliani_did_not_forget_9_11_to_help_trump.ht ml)than that. Seems that people took it out of context.

But while his phrasing was misleading, no, Giuliani did not rewrite history to delete the worst foreign attack on U.S. soil since the War of 1812. In fact, right before this portion of the speech, he said that “[on] Sept. 11, when we went through the worst foreign attack in our history since the War of 1812.”

He then credited Pence’s work on the Patriot Act with preventing more attacks before pivoting to his remarks about eight years without another attack. Giuliani clearly meant there wasn't an attack during the 2001–2009 period after 9/11 and not the entirety of the eight years before Obama took office. Again, this was a poorly worded, misleading statement, but Giuliani clearly did not literally mean that 9/11 didn’t happen. He doesn't need help looking like a tool. He's still a horrible person.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The country is just so polarized and on edge that people on the opposite side tend to take the words of the other side out of context and think of the worst... ignoring the whole speech while focusing on a single sentence.

How can Rudy be so forgetful? What an idiot.

But at least 21kid finally realized that it was out of context. Nevertheless, Rudy's criticism of Obama has already been refuted by Donald Trump himself during the primaries..., he'd be wise to not use that line of attack on Obama again... because 9/11 was a much worse attack and it happened on W's watch.

I'm not a Republican and don't even consider myself conservative, my conservative friends probably think that I'm too liberal..., but anyway, a slight criticism to the left, I was taken out of context too... with my full posts ignored, focusing only on a few sentences... Sigh...

For the last time, I'm critical of the Democratic Party NOT because of Obamacare... My major complaint against Obama was that he treated a somewhat religious terrorist the same way Jesus was treated. Bin Laden really shouldn't be captured and killed in the middle of the night and with a disappearing body like that. My next major complaint is the lack of financial reform to prevent another meltdown. These incidences made me believe Obama was under the influence of the "establishment"... Obama of course did not directly founded ISIS, but the establishment has for sure indirectly created these monsters, from Saddam, Bin Laden, to the current crop of terrorists. This is why Bin Laden probably couldn't be tried publically...

Anyway, you guys probably think I'm a conspiracy theorist..., maybe I am, but I'm just not going to vote for another establishment darling.

Lastly, as imperfect as Obamacare is... and as ignorant of Obamacare that I am, I do give Obama positive credit for creating that. It's not perfect, but certainly a step in the right direction.

[overpowered]

Nice little bit of revisionist history and speaking but even that doesn't work. The PATRIOT act was passed a little over a month after 9/11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Los_Angeles_International_Airport_shooting

There were also islamist attacks on U.S. targets in foreign countries (I'm sure I missed a few):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Zamboanga_City_bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_U.S._consulate_in_Karachi
https://books.google.com/books?id=bNLODP6w6GkC&pg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/dec/06/saudiarabia.usa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamabad_Marriott_Hotel_bombing

That argument also has the problem that Obama has done nothing but support the PATRIOT act. If the PATRIOT act worked, then we wouldn't be having attacks during his presidency either.

Meanwhile the PATRIOT act has been used to subvert the Bill of Rights all over the place. Basic american freedoms have been curtailed greatly. He's trying to paint Obama as soft on terrorism. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't think anybody think Rudi actually forgot about 9/11 or who was president. I think we all know that he's just flat out making shit up, and ignoring facts.

As someone else said, his point that he always (and others) try to make about Bush "keeping us safe" after 9/11 is like saying that a pitcher had a no-hitter after giving up 2996 runs in the first. Also, in this case, when the pitcher gave up multiple hits and runs in those 8 innings, making it an outright lie, since there were attacks between 9/11 and 2009. And then linking all that bullshit to say that only attacks happen after/because of Obama/Clinton is just the icing on the giant pile of bullshit. Fuck Rudi.

(By the way, I did see the whole video before posting here, but it was on Facbeook, so I couldn't post it. Doesn't make it any better.)

[Crazed_Insanity]

I only saw a clip version of it on youtube thru posts in this thread... and it really looked like he has forgotten about 9/11.

Anyway, like the linked article in Kid's post said, Trump himself has refuted this kind of attack on Obama and Clinton during the primaries.

I do agree with OP that Obama carried out the patriot act just like any other Republican president would. From the outside, there was really minimal difference between W and O. The 'establishment' really has no party lines. Party line is only created internally for the Americans to bicker around on the inside and not paying attention of what the 'establishment' is really doing.

Thank God for folks like Assange and Snowden, or else we'd never really know anything what the 'establishment' is doing behind our backs.

[21Kid]

Oh god!!! :sadbanana:

Trump To Receive First Intelligence Briefing Wednesday (http://www.npr.org/2016/08/16/490230019/source-trump-to-receive-first-intelligence-briefing-wednesday?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160816)

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is expected to receive his first briefing from the intelligence community on Wednesday in New York, a source familiar with the plan tells NPR.

The briefing by intelligence officials will take place at FBI offices in New York, the source said. The source also said Trump is expected to bring with him New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a former federal prosecutor; and the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. Both Christie and Flynn have been advising Trump's campaign. Flynn's office told NPR on Monday they were not aware of any meeting.

Traditionally, the Republican and Democratic nominees for president begin to receive intelligence briefings after their parties formally nominate them. While the briefings contain classified material, officials do not share the most sensitive information, such as details about covert operations and secret nuclear and other defense programs.

[21Kid]

:smh:

Roger Ailes is now helping Donald J. Trump prepare for the upcoming presidential debates, sources with knowledge of the matter confirmed.

[overpowered]

She challenges people to put her racist rant on Youtube. Sure. Why not?

https://mic.com/articles/150693/this-woman-s-racist-rant-against-a-latino-family-was-caught-on-video

[Freude am Fahren]

olanda had reportedly gone to the Mesa County Health Department with her 6-year-old granddaughter and 14-year-old son Ahmed so he could get a physical for his high school football team. When they were in the building, they left their dog in the car with the windows rolled up.

Ugh, I hate when I have to hate the victim.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The real victim was the dog, why do you hate dogs?

I don't see this as a political issue. When I'm upset with somebody, I reserve the right to no longer be politically correct.

[overpowered]

I'm told that this was found in the comments section of a "NPR post about tRumpet getting classified briefings"
But why doesn’t Trump want to release his [tax returns]? Could it be because he donated a sizable amount of money to NAMBLA (North American Man and Boy Love Association) and he wants to cover it up? I’m not saying Trump donated money to NAMBLA, but people are saying that. It’s something I’ve heard, but I don’t believe Donald Trump donated several million dollars to NAMBLA over the last several years. Still, if he did that would be a great reason to not release his tax returns. But look, I’m not here to say whether or not Donald Trump donated millions to NAMBLA, I’m just here to let you know that every candidate has released his tax returns over the last 40 years, so there has to be a reason he doesn’t, and several very smart people are saying he contributed millions of dollars to NAMBLA:lol:

[overpowered]

Trump appears to be dragging at risk GOP senators down with him:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-chances-of-holding-the-senate-are-following-trump-downhill/

[overpowered]

Mike Pence claims condoms are too modern, and too liberal.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/08/mike-pence-condoms-are-too-modern/

[Yw-slayer]

Oh god!!! :sadbanana:

Trump To Receive First Intelligence Briefing Wednesday (http://www.npr.org/2016/08/16/490230019/source-trump-to-receive-first-intelligence-briefing-wednesday?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20160816)

Chinese and Russian spooks are rubbing their hands with glee. :lol:

[21Kid]

:mad: WHAT DO YOU KNOW!!! YOU BETTER TELL ME, RIGHT NOW!!!

[Tom Servo]

Annnnd Manafort's out, replaced by some hack from Breitbart. At least we can assume now that there will be less of an attempt to rein Trump in, so the hilarity will continue.

[21Kid]

"You've got a candidate who wants to win. This is a clear indication of that. It's win at all cost," Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager, said on CNN.

:lol:

It just amazes me that the voters are okay with how the last few republican candidates have had to change message prior to the general election.
How can you feel comfortable voting for someone who will say whatever it takes just to get votes. :(
If you need a different message depending on who you are trying to appeal to, something is wrong. :erm:


That's one of the things that I really admired about Bernie Sanders. He has been on the same point about equality/taxes/etc... for decades.

[21Kid]

Trump would fail his own citizenry test (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/opinions/trump-citizen-test-ghitis/index.html)


The Republican nominee is right that those coming into America should "embrace a tolerant American society." And he is correct when he argues that people "who do not believe in our constitution, or who support bigotry and hatred" should have no place in this country.
The question is, does he subscribe to these principles himself?

If immigrants should "believe in our constitution," the commander-in-chief most certainly ought to. But the evidence so far suggests that Trump only has a vague grasp of that document. And you don't have to take Democrats' word for it -- Trump's own words speak volumes.

Freedom of religion
-Trump last year proudly announced a proposal for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States."
Freedom of the press
-Trump may want immigrants to embrace American freedoms, but no political candidate in modern history has attacked the media with the viciousness of the Trump campaign. It has blacklisted major news organizations and made public attacks on the "disgusting" press and on individual reporters, at least one of whom said she was escorted out of a Trump rally by Secret Service agents to ensure her safety after the candidate had whipped up supporters into a frenzy.
The Fifth Amendment and due process
-Trump has no trouble at all with authoritarian leaders. For example, he sounded sympathetic to at least some aspects of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's leadership, admitting that he is a "bad guy," but apparently one with some redeeming traits.
"He killed terrorists. He did that so good," Trump once said. "They didn't read them the rights."
Separation of powers
-The notion that the president is not omnipotent -- and that no one is above the law -- is the most basic of principles in the American system of government. Yet Trump seems determined to use executive powers with abandon, at one point suggesting that he would make the military disobey the law because "that's what leadership is all about."
Equal rights for all
-Trump's troubling attitudes toward women, for example, are well documented. He has discussed a 10-point scale for women based on their sex appeal and has an extensive record of insulting them.
-When it comes to gay Americans, Trump has tried to have it both ways, vowing to be their protector while presiding over a Republican convention with a virulently anti-gay platform. He also chose a running mate, Mike Pence, with one of the worst records in the country when it comes to ensuring equal rights for LGBT citizens.

Still, Trump has done voters a huge favor. He has reminded America what it stands for, and provided a template for deciding which candidate is more likely to embrace these fine principles. The trouble for Trump is that he is clearly not that candidate.

[Tom Servo]

Sounds like the new campaign manager is a piece of work.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=twitterbenshapiro

[Crazed_Insanity]

I find CNN extremely funny here:


The Fifth Amendment and due process
Trump has no trouble at all with authoritarian leaders. For example, he sounded sympathetic to at least some aspects of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's leadership, admitting that he is a "bad guy," but apparently one with some redeeming traits.
"He killed terrorists. He did that so good," Trump once said. "They didn't read them the rights."
In Trump's America, it seems, due process is an impediment to getting things done. It's all a little too reminiscent of new Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, another populist strongman trying to make his country safe without regard for due process.

Was there proper due process for Hussein and Bin Laden or all other terrorists killed by drones, or locked up in Guantanamo?

Obviously US govt has made the determination that no due process is necessary for the terrorists and dictators... this has bipartisan support... This was US way of doing things abroad against terrorists so that we can get things done. This is the way before Trump came along.

To have sympathy for these evil people and wanting to give them fair trial is not respecting 5th amendment and due process? What?

Plus, I don't think we need Trump to tell us that Iraq for sure is now more screwed up as a nation and has more religious zealous terrorists than before our invasion. By stating such fact, doesn't mean the person must be sympathetic to an evil dictator...

US govt outside of US soil is already acting like a Donald Trump way before Donald Trump! We, or maybe I should say the 'establishment', created monsters such as Hussein and Bin Laden because of our policy of enemies or our enemies must be our friends... we train them and supply them and even installing them as dictators around the world for our own interests. When they no longer serve our interests, then we destroy them. US government/establishment has absolutely power overseas to play God, with no check and balances nor voters to keep them in check...

No we didn't directly found these terrorist groups, but they exist for sure because of our* own doing...

*By continually voting for establishment darlings, you can bet you are part of "US". I don't want to be part of that "US" anymore...and will do whatever I can to destroy that part of "US"!

[Tom Servo]

A little more fun, the Southern Poverty Law Center's take on the current state of Breitbart under Bannon's leadership.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/28/breitbartcom-becoming-media-arm-alt-right#.V7SHEQz2eQp.twitter

[Tom Servo]

https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/766021223415439361

Oh man, I am beyond giddy that Trump has decided to crank it to eleven and just go for it. This gonna be good.

[Tom Servo]

Says who?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Z9lTUu3e8

[21Kid]

polls...

[Freude am Fahren]

#TrumpExplainsMoviePlots (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TrumpExplainsMoviePlots&src=typd)

Misunderstood real estate owners suffer ungrateful tenants. I can relate, let me tell you.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqH_D52UIAEkpKP.jpg

Buncha 2's with a few 9's try to act like men and lose. Weak. I could easily beat them. (A league of their own)

Biff—great guy, good friend of mine—they ruin his life! Doc and Marty—total losers. Can't win without time machine.

Voldemort, great guy. Ridding the magic world of immigrants. Crooked Harry can't be trusted #MakeHogwartsGreatAgain

[overpowered]

The end of private prisons?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/

[21Kid]

I sure hope that's true!!! :D

I wonder how much the popularity of OITNB had to do with that? ;)

[Tom Servo]

polls...

All of them.

[21Kid]

ok.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnYHqg6ICoA

[21Kid]

He is not a happy person... :lol:

[overpowered]

By NYC standards he's Mary Poppins.



11 nauseating photos of NYC’s naked Trump statue

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/18/12538672/nude-donald-trump-statues-union-square-los-angeles-indecline

[overpowered]

Wyoming is taxing the wind.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sej-wyoming-wind-tax-snap-story.html

[Tom Servo]

The NYC parks department response to the naked micropenis Trump statue. From everything I can tell, this is legit.


"NYC Parks stands firmly against any unpermitted erection in city parks, no matter how small.”

[Freude am Fahren]

I saw that and spent about 10 minutes trying to prove it wasn't real, but couldn't.

[Yw-slayer]

Billi, killing bin Laden is somewhat different from Death Squads in the slums. You can be put to death by them just on the say-so of someone, who may just have a grudge against and/or dislike you.

[overpowered]

1891

[overpowered]

1892

[overpowered]

It wasn't just NYC

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/08/anarchist-collective-naked-donald-trump-statues-across-america

[overpowered]

1893

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhe286ky-9A

https://represent.us/action/start/

[G'day Mate]

He is not a happy person... :lol:

Actually he seems to have a fair point at the beginning

[21Kid]

Yeah... Anything to get readers/viewers. :smh:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Billi, killing bin Laden is somewhat different from Death Squads in the slums. You can be put to death by them just on the say-so of someone, who may just have a grudge against and/or dislike you.

Dude, that was so 3~4 days ago...

Anyway, point is that you know what happened the last time a somewhat religious figure was captured in the middle of the night, killed, but nobody couldn't find his body... not equating Bin Laden to Jesus, but a wrong thing to do is a wrong thing to do.

US government has pretty much absolute power overseas with its mighty military and dollars. I used to think the 'establishment' is republican, but have come to the realization that it has no party affiliation. I asked Kchrpm and the others regarding the difference between W and O from an outsider's point of view and never got any response and was side tracked by obamacare... You are an outsider... other than W looks dumb and O looks cool... do you see much differences in US foreign policies between the 2 administrations? (Particularly with regarding to war on terror and global finances?)

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhe286ky-9A

https://represent.us/action/start/

Interesting. Sign me UP!

[21Kid]

I saw that and spent about 10 minutes trying to prove it wasn't real, but couldn't.


The NYC parks department response to the naked micropenis Trump statue. From everything I can tell, this is legit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/18/politics/naked-donald-trump-statue-nyc-parks-department/index.html

[21Kid]

:lol:

A man who identified himself as half-Indian was escorted out of a Donald Trump rally on Thursday out of concern that he was a protester, but the man insisted he was a Trump supporter and said he feels that he was racially profiled. No shit?!? :finger: can't say I feel bad for him.

[tigeraid]

It's hard to try and sympathize with Trump supporters talking about losing manufacturing jobs and wanting to rail against the "political elite" when assholes like this speak up so well for his campaign.

The barely literate, fucking hypocritical gall of this guy to speak of missionaries going to Japan to convert people to Christianity being perfectly acceptable, but people immigrating to America should "stfu and be like us." :mad:


https://medium.com/@AnandWrites/i-am-whats-wrong-with-america-c30f990de164#.chzptcf2n


Your hair is a symbol of your rebellion and your condescension to the dominant culture here in America. Like a Japanese robe wandering business hours and afro or the henya above Spanish words.
If you want to be helpful here in America young man what you need to do is cut your hair and encourage other immigrants rather than focusing on diversity to focus on assimilation.
What is the problem in America the problem is people like you that believe in cultural Marxism division rather than Unity.
Let me educate you again. Grab one of the pieces of currency in your pocket and write the words e Pluribus Unum a hundred times.
What is the bridge that needs to be overcome what needs to be done for Unity in this country people like you your generation and your worldview to change towards assimilation and not to be focused on diversity.



1894


(I mean, his hair is a fucking travesty, though.)

[Freude am Fahren]

Like a Japanese robe wandering business hours and afro or the henya above Spanish words.

What the fuck does that mean?

[overpowered]

http://www.snopes.com/pierson-obama-half-breed/

[Alan P]

Interesting. Sign me UP!

Indeed. My only worry would be those who get to Congress and suddenly realise 'Holy shit I can become Rich by being a congressman or Senator! Who are you, what special interest do you represent and how much money will you give me to vote whichever way you want? Oh, and a $250k a year seat on the board once I'm done? Sweet!'.

[overpowered]

$250k a year? You think small for an ex-congressman.

Love watching a Trump supporter get owned, repeatedly:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P5VpIi0-bo

[Alan P]

$250k a year? You think small for an ex-congressman.

Love watching a Trump supporter get owned, repeatedly:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P5VpIi0-bo
I have no idea what they can make so just pulled a decent figure out of my ass.

[overpowered]

Donald Trump’s top black strategist in Florida thrown out of Trump rally for being black

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/donald-trumps-top-black-strategist-in-florida-thrown-out-of-trump-rally-for-being-black/25767/

[overpowered]

Corrections Corp of America took a serious stock hit:

http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/08/18/why-corrections-corp-of-america-stock-plummeted-to.aspx
http://www.fool.com/quote/nyse/corrections-corporation-of-america/cxw

Hope that trend continues. Fuck them.

[overpowered]

Naked Trump sculptor:

http://thetab.com/us/2016/08/18/trump-sculpture-48786

[Kchrpm]

Advisor: "Mr Trump, we're losing the black vote by a huge margin, we have to do something."
Trump: "No problem! They're all poor, unemployed dummies, they have nothing, this'll be easy!"

Hahaha just kidding. This is what he actually said to court black voters (at a rally in a 93% white neighborhood):

"You live in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/20/its-hard-to-imagine-a-much-worse-pitch-donald-trump-could-have-made-for-the-black-vote/

[overpowered]

Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/donald-trump-debt.html

[Yw-slayer]

While I'm not sure I can tell how that REP candidate got owned, I do find it hilarious how he ends up always having to sputter about the 4,000 (or whatever number) of murders in Chicago since Obama became President. Because we ALL know that that was Obama's personal decision or fault!

[Alan P]

While I'm not sure I can tell how that REP candidate got owned, I do find it hilarious how he ends up always having to sputter about the 4,000 (or whatever number) of murders in Chicago since Obama became President. Because we ALL know that that was Obama's personal decision or fault!

He killed them all. Personally. Don't you know that?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Indeed. My only worry would be those who get to Congress and suddenly realise 'Holy shit I can become Rich by being a congressman or Senator! Who are you, what special interest do you represent and how much money will you give me to vote whichever way you want? Oh, and a $250k a year seat on the board once I'm done? Sweet!'.
Anyone can be corruptible, one just have to hope that these folks will last long enough to make it to congress and to make some sort of difference...

Last resort is we exercise our 2nd amendment rights and just shoot up congress and force it to reset itself.

[neanderthal]

Anyone can be corruptible, one just have to hope that these folks will last long enough to make it to congress and to make some sort of difference...

Last resort is we exercise our 2nd amendment rights and just shoot up congress and force it to reset itself.

What. in. the. actual. fuck?

Where does the 2nd Amendment say we get to go around killing people? Where?

Jeezus, take the wheel, please!?!?

[overpowered]

SPONSOR OF ANTI-LGBT “BATHROOM BILL” CAUGHT SEXUALLY HARASSING 34 WOMEN – EXPELLED FROM CAPITOL

http://www.greenvillegazette.com/r/sponsor-of-anti-lgbt-bathroom-bill-caught-sexually-harassing-34-women-expelled-from-capitol-136372/

[Crazed_Insanity]

What. in. the. actual. fuck?

Where does the 2nd Amendment say we get to go around killing people? Where?

Jeezus, take the wheel, please!?!?
Why did the founding fathers give people the right to bear arms for?

Revolution against a corrupt oppressive govt of course.

Like I said, last resort.

You sound like you've never heard of revolutions before...

[21Kid]

$250k a year? You think small for an ex-congressman.

Love watching a Trump supporter get owned, repeatedly:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P5VpIi0-bo

I can't even watch that... I'm getting pissed just trying to listen to his response without getting interrupted. WTF! :mad:

[21Kid]

Advisor: "Mr Trump, we're losing the black vote by a huge margin, we have to do something."
Trump: "No problem! They're all poor, unemployed dummies, they have nothing, this'll be easy!"

Hahaha just kidding. This is what he actually said to court black voters (at a rally in a 93% white neighborhood):

"You live in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/20/its-hard-to-imagine-a-much-worse-pitch-donald-trump-could-have-made-for-the-black-vote/
Why even bother? There's no way he's going to make any headway in that demographic.

[FaultyMario]

How do you guys feel at the most recent revelation about my president?

Roughly, 2 of every 7 paragraphs from his thesis for becoming a lawyer are clearly plagiarised.

I am enraged that going as far as 25 years ago, the man responsible for leading my country (with far more constitutional powers than most democratic heads of state), has always used these shortcuts with no penance.

[novicius]

Eh, he's not the only one.

I mean c'mon, it's not like the *exact* same family has been either in power or close to the throne for the past since the '70s. :assclown: #bush #clinton

[21Kid]

I'd say he did a pretty good job to have gotten away with it for 25 years. But, what consequence is it now really?

Maybe I'm so jaded by how bad our own politicians lie, that it almost seems like a prerequisite for the job. :(

[Crazed_Insanity]

If the president's wife is a copy cat, I think I'm willing to give her a break..., but if a nation's leader has no integrity, then this nation is screwed.

Don't feel too bad though, US has plenty of politicians who lacks integrity... this is why USA is also in a downward spiral.

Unfortunately, integrity isn't something obvious and even if a particular politician is known to be very honest, it doesn't really help with his popularity. Most voters are sway by charisma... not integrity...
Charismatic politician who aren't very honest also are more prone to corruption...

Part of the reason why democracy isn't the most ideal way to run a country...

[overpowered]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYOHXyYtGVtraZW/giphy.gif

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C86N_RZoLy4

[21Kid]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYOHXyYtGVtraZW/giphy.gif
That whole episode is good.

[overpowered]

Police Say It’s Unconstitutional To Mandate Drug Testing On Officers

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/12/police-say-its-unconstitutional/

[overpowered]

We only tip citizens....er...white citizens....er....no spics!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/latina-waitress-in-virginia-gets-racist-message-instead-of-tip/

[overpowered]

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/watch-eric-trump-blames-syrian-refugees-for-15-years-of-wage-stagnation/


I mean, they should come first — you were born in this country, you were born here legally, you’re here legally,” Eric Trump said. “I mean, wages have been stagnant for the last 15 years and it’s because you have, you know, Syrian refugees coming in. It’s because you have, you know, thousands of people coming over the border.

[Yw-slayer]

We know. Lol.

[Tom Servo]

NY Post are saying that Trump has quintupled the rent for his own campaign office now that he's accepting more donations.

http://nypost.com/2016/08/23/trump-hikes-rent-on-his-own-campaign-office-in-trump-tower/

[Freude am Fahren]

Now, if he was "charging" 1/5 the market price before, that'd be one thing but I'm sure that's not the case.

The whole campaign is a mountain of bullshit.

[21Kid]

He's scammed so many other people. Is it really a surprise that he'd scam the people that want to put him in office?

[Crazed_Insanity]

No wonder the establishment doesn't like him... usually they all get rich together, but Trump is too selfish and just want to make himself rich.

Anyway, this is probably a pretty insignificant pile of shit sitting on top of the mountain... anybody actually surprised by this? He has always used the services of his 'company' during his campaign and the accounting nightmare is probably why he doesn't want to make his tax returns public. (And I'm sure the accounting nightmare is not just limited to the time during his presidential bid...)

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DErurte4CE

[Crazed_Insanity]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/23/turkey-coup-plotter-clinton-donor/88991622/

A more serious note, foreigners setup bogus companies donating into super pacs... I know it's not really Hillary's fault and she didn't setup these super pacs herself, but still, why would a foreigner go out of his way to create these fictitious companies and donate money to our politicians? What do they have to gain from doing that?

Regardless, this is something that needs to be stopped. This, to me at least, is way more serious of an issue than Trump raising rent for himself.

[overpowered]

1909

[overpowered]

Andrea Tantaros is suing Ailes as well:

http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/08/lawsuit-exposes-roger-ailes-as-sex-obsessed-called-female-anchors-wh-res-lesbians-001078461.html

I hate having to be on her side. I find her extremely offensive. However, Ailes is even more offensive.

[Sad, little man]

Donald Trump, saying China.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

[overpowered]

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYQ5MiJ97YUVfdC/giphy.gif

[21Kid]

Horrified by Trump, Democrats getting nostalgic about Romney
When President Barack Obama ran for re-election, Democrats made no secret of their disdain for Mitt Romney. That was all before Donald Trump.

Horrified by the prospect of Trump in the White House, Obama and his party have changed their tune about Romney. As they denounce Trump as "unhinged" and unfit, they're getting nostalgic about the 2012 Republican nominee they now describe as principled, competent and honorable.

Yet as Trump is proving, everything in politics is relative.

"He was in it for the right reasons," Stephanie Cutter, Obama's 2012 deputy campaign manager, said of Romney. "He truly believed in wanting to make this country better. We just differed significantly on how to do that."

Cutter said that in 2012 Democrats had ideological clashes with Romney, but didn't doubt his temperament or basic competence. She said unlike Trump, Romney didn't "insult his way through his campaigning," malign minorities, or threaten to violate the Constitution or to abandon U.S. allies.

New York Rep. Steve Israel, one of the Democratic Party's top campaign strategists, said "Romney was qualified, but he had the wrong ideas. Trump is unqualified, dangerous and still has the wrong ideas."

And Obama's 2012 campaign press secretary, Ben LaBolt, put it this way: "I don't think anybody would have truly expected the country to go to hell in a handbasket" if Romney had won. "Trump presents an entirely different level of threat," he said. :lol:

[overpowered]

It is indeed relative. I had a lot of problems with Romney but he was way better than Trump. In fact he was better than any of the GOP candidates this year except maybe Kasich and Bush, which were probably in the same general range as him. He was way better than Cruz or Carson or Fiorina or any of the other clowns.

Trump might be the worst, though Cruz, Carson, Santorum and Huckabee give him a run for his money.

Keep in mind that Trump took less than 45% of the popular vote in the primaries, and that's even with lots of candidates dropping out along the way and not being options for the later primaries.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's just 'polarization' at work and things will only get worse. (Although I can't imagine anyone worse than Trump! God helps us! )

I'm sure the other side probably will hate Hillary more than Obama too. At least for me, I certainly don't prefer Hillary over Obama..., not then and not now.

Will I prefer Romney over Hillary? I don't think so. He'll be more of an establishment darling than Hillary for sure.

[overpowered]

Democratic primary voters preferred Obama over Hillary as well, but Obama's almost done. We have to pick someone. Too bad it couldn't be someone good.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xV8HHFtg7w

[Freude am Fahren]

Obama mentioned a while ago how he respected Romney, McCain and others, while disagreeing with them on issues, as apposed to Trump who is just simply unfit.

[Crazed_Insanity]

What the heck is political 'fitness' really though? The two sides never really 'respected' each other enough to really work together.

So although they may be politically 'fit', they fight each other to the death and never get anything done.

Now, will a politically incompetent president all of a sudden get into the WH and get things done? I kinda doubt it.

The only scary part is the commander-in-chief thing..., if I were foreign nations, I'd certainly be scared of a Trump presidency. But domestically, Trump will be just as useless and any other 'fit' politician locked in a highly polarized political field.

[Freude am Fahren]

When people say unfit, usually it has more to do with the commander-in-chief thing.

[overpowered]

America's Worst Idea

https://www.patreon.com/posts/americas-worst-6608259

[overpowered]

Catholic nuns in full habits at the beach, in France, but the burquini is illegal. :|

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/08/24/imam-protests-burqini-ban-by-posting-image-of-nuns-at-the-beach-in-full-habits/

[Tom Servo]

TRUMP: You, uh... you scare me.
COULTER: Good.
TRUMP: I never know what you're gonna do.
COULTER: Me neither.
TRUMP: I respect that so much


Loving this guy doing his running Twitter play about Trump.

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNxXteKvUM

[overpowered]

Republican Mayor Loses Re-Election: Proclaims ‘The Ni**Er Won’ On Facebook

http://www.gopocalypse.org/republican-shows-how-much-she-loves-black-people/

[Alan P]

:down:

[overpowered]

Sunday is Go Topless Day

http://gotopless.org/gotopless-day

[overpowered]

French official threatens to sue social media users who share burkini photos

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/25/12637964/france-burkini-ban-photo-nice-social-media

[overpowered]

The Alt-Right Explained.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained

[overpowered]

I got a call tonight from a friend in Washington who knows more about political polling than anyone in America. He was almost breathless with excitement.

“It’s gonna be a landslide,” he said.

“In which direction?” I joked.

“Hillary’s going to win in places we haven’t won in years – Georgia, Nevada, Arizona. She’ll take the entire West, the whole East Coast. Trump is sinking like a stone.”

“So do we get the Senate back?”

“You bet.”

“Sixty votes?”

“No, but a nice majority.”

“And the House?”

“We won’t win it back, but Democrats will get 14 of the 30 they need. So still a Republican majority, but far weakened.”

“And what about the states?”

He paused. “The states?”

“Any good news there?”

“No. The GOP will remains in control in most states.”

“So the only part of government that will change hands is the U.S. Senate, and not even by enough to overcome a filibuster?”

“Yes,” he said, as if I had taken the air out of his balloon.

“And what about all the people who’ll be voting for Trump?”

“What about them?” he asked, cautiously.

“After Trump loses, they’ll still be out there, right?”

“Of course.”

“And they’ll be madder than hell, poisoned with Trump’s venom. They’ll be a ready-made constituency for the next demagogue.”

“Bob?” he asked.

“What?”

“Remind me never to phone you again.”

“Sorry,” I said.:lol:

[overpowered]

1915

[neanderthal]

:lol:

:lol:

[Sad, little man]

Trump is basically running the political equivalent of when little kids say "I know you are, but what am I?"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/27/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-kkk/

[overpowered]

It's easy to shut down the people with the Robert Byrd thing. Here's what the NAACP had to say about him upon his death in 2010:

http://www.naacp.org/press/entry/naacp-mourns-the-passing-of-u.s.-senator-robert-byrd/

Yeah, he did some dumb stuff in the 1940's (and 1960's for that matter). He disavowed the KKK in 1952. He apologized many times and he tried to make amends and he did some good stuff along the way too. He's hardly a KKK connection in the 2000's when that picture of him and Hillary was likely taken.

[Sad, little man]

Don't shut them down, just ignore them. Seriously, even trying to retort this insanity is giving it exponentially more credence than it deserves. The people that would truly believe that Hillary's mentor is a KKK member will never be swayed by any amount of evidence against that, and the rest realize that it's complete nonsense. So, there is no reason to even comment on it. It only lends it legitimacy.

[overpowered]

Maine Gov. Paul LePage Says People Of Color Are ‘The Enemy’

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-lepage-black-people-enemy_us_57c08390e4b085c1ff293bdc

[21Kid]

The Alt-Right Explained.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained
Thus, within the world of neoreaction, Trump's seemingly authoritarian impulses are a feature, not a bug. The only real problem is he may not go far enough. :eek:

[21Kid]

Why??? :?


Trump will directly address black voters, top aide says
Donald Trump's campaign manager said Sunday he will soon be courting black voters more directly, scheduling events in front of predominantly African-American audiences.

[Freude am Fahren]

That's going to be tough since Black people are generally kicked out, even if they are supporters :lol:

[21Kid]

Good point. :lol:

[Kchrpm]

Oh man, this is going to be good.

[overpowered]

There were polls in July in Ohio and Pennsylvania that had him polling at 0% with black people.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JvSVxIDTM

[drew]

Saw that yesterday (maybe?), fucking gold. I have one "friend" that is 100% pro Trump and likes every goddamn thing by that douchebag on FB. I still can't resist reading the chest thumping/Clinton-bashing posts on them, and the chestier-thumping when someone NOT for Trump offers a counter opinion.

I need to stop reading that shit while I still have some functioning brain cells left.

[Tom Servo]

Well, so far one Trump surrogate has said that Hillary Clinton is the definition of a bigot because she's biased against racists, and now his campaign manager has said that it's sad that Clinton allies have "turned to name-calling".

If we could harvest cognitive dissonance as an energy resource, the Trump campaign might be able to solve climate change.

[TheBenior]

Saw that yesterday (maybe?), fucking gold. I have one "friend" that is 100% pro Trump and likes every goddamn thing by that douchebag on FB. I still can't resist reading the chest thumping/Clinton-bashing posts on them, and the chestier-thumping when someone NOT for Trump offers a counter opinion.

I need to stop reading that shit while I still have some functioning brain cells left.

I block a lot of extremist sources on the left and the right from my FB viewing.

[21Kid]

Oh boy... I wonder how this will end. :popcorn:

Donald Trump is making a surprise trip Wednesday to Mexico in his first visit as the Republican nominee to meet with a world leader -- one who has publicly insulted him and criticized his immigration and border policies.

[drew]

:lol:

Bring it.

This will just be the scrub fight before the main event with Hillary in the first debate.

Fuck Trump.

[FaultyMario]

Just who is advising Mr. peña on foreign policy?

Who?

[Alan P]

Oh boy... I wonder how this will end. :popcorn:

Wonder if he'll ask for every non-white person there to be removed? :lol:

[overpowered]

Trump doesn't start talking until about 45:30 or so.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcI3pJQ5Ks

[FaultyMario]

Hear, hear.

Brethren from northerner lands, hitherto are thee presented with a man whose known not the stature of the soil he cometh from.

Learn from our mistake and do not make a fool your highest representative.

I am beyond words. This is undignified to our people, unfaithful to our values. A ducking disgrace this is.

[Tom Servo]

In the meantime, it seemed like everyone thought the visit went shockingly well for Trump, right up until he got back here and claimed that there was no discussion of his proposed wall or who would pay for it, only to have it turn out that it was discussed and made quite clear that Mexico has absolutely no intention of paying for it.

[FaultyMario]

There's no public record that it was discussed.
It just Mr. peña saying that he told him 'in private'.

It's a disgrace, having to pay someone, as much as we pay peña, to come out in public and belittle our people by keeping quiet. He loaned out presidential palace so that a xenophobic demagogue could energize his failing candidacy. peña is such an embarrassment to our tradition of diplomacy.

[21Kid]

https://mobile.twitter.com/robreiner/status/770823473128022016

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's really amazing how this meeting actually took place. What did it do for the Mexican president?

It did make candidate trump more presidential though..., if he can be treated this well in Mexico, imagine what kind of royal treatment he'll get in Russia!?!? Maybe he's a natural diplomat or some sort of master charmer? Capable of bullying other kids at school yet still managed to get their dad's to invite him over for dinner?

[Phil_SS]

As Mario mentioned. The Palace was loaned out. I have no doubt that a handsome payment was made to make this happen.

[overpowered]

Drop In Teen Pregnancies Is Due To More Contraceptives, Not Less Sex

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/08/31/492101014/drop-in-teen-pregnancies-is-due-to-more-contraceptives-not-less-sex

[FaultyMario]

File under: no shit, sherlock.

[mk]

French pills?

[Tom Servo]

"Latinos for Trump" founder warns of "Taco trucks on every corner" if Trump loses.

Some threat. What, do we get unlimited wishes too?



Why is #TacoTrucksOnEveryCorner trending? It's what I yell when I orgasm and now I'm paranoid.

[overpowered]

Here he is saying it:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/sep/02/trump-supporter-warns-taco-trucks-on-every-corner/

San Diego has one of the largest populations of people of Mexican origin of any major city in the U.S. We don't have taco trucks at every corner. It's damned hard to find a taco truck. :mad:

[Tom Servo]

You do, however, have the best selection of taco shops I've ever seen. Had me an El Cotixan chorizo & egg burrito at the location on Genesee before doing Bike the Bay this year. I think I may look forward to that burrito more than the ride every year.

[overpowered]

True. I'm probably never more than a mile or two from a taco stand and usually a lot closer than that. A lot of them are 24 hours too. Those, Denny's, 7-11 and CVS pharmacies are just about the only things open past midnight here.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-db24VI5Xtk

[Freude am Fahren]

I just realized that if Trump is right, and they're bring their thieves rapists and murderers, we'll basically be the Mexican Australia in a couple generations. That plus Tacos for everyone sounds like Utopia.

[overpowered]

https://i.redd.it/gwawtnkj25jx.gif

[Alan P]

:lol:

[MR2 Fan]

So I'm not one to follow any right-wing talking points at all, but I am starting to wonder about Hillary's health after some bad signs, including a coughing fit today.

[Tom Servo]

I wouldn't worry too much. Kaine's still a hell of a lot better than Trump.

[Sad, little man]

So I'm not one to follow any right-wing talking points at all, but I am starting to wonder about Hillary's health after some bad signs, including a coughing fit today.

Let's put you on a schedule that involves being in a different state almost every day with public speaking engagements at every stop and see how you hold up. Seriously, don't buy into this tin foil right wing hatted bullshit.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I wouldn't worry too much. Kaine's still a hell of a lot better than Trump.
Yep, I think I would actually prefer kaine over Hillary...

[overpowered]

http://i.imgur.com/djWKkQw.jpg

[TheBenior]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/08/1410209377632_wps_22_image001_png.jpg

[overpowered]

Staged response to comments like the above or actual response at the time of the Rice allegations?

[Drachen596]

You tell me. (goo.gl/vaLr5F)

Also note I seem to recall there being some event where they could swap the Rice jersey for something around that time as well.

[TheBenior]

September 2014 Ray Rice jersey swap (http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/21/news/companies/ray-rice-ravens-jersey-swap/)

[21Kid]

Trump 45%
Clinton 43%



JFC :smh: We're screwed.

[overpowered]

One poll does not an election make.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#plus

Florida and Ohio are starting to get a little scary again though.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, at times when the people are not very happy, things like Hitler, Bexit, and Trump tend to have higher chances of happening.

Look on the bright side though, Hitler didn't end the world, I'm sure Trump won't either.

[Freude am Fahren]

Except he did end the world for a few dozen million people, so there's that.

[Alan P]

I do wonder, the public, well, most of them it seems, have short memories. If he keeps his message clean and on point to appeal to moderates, a great many will happily forget the things he said earlier this year and may actually consider him. I just really hope that Hilary tears him a new one and goads him into saying something truly awful at one of the debates.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Except he did end the world for a few dozen million people, so there's that.
I did say 'bright side', of course there's gonna be a dark side of everything... No candidate's gonna be able to please everyone...

Do you guys really believe Trump will be more 'capable' than Hitler when it comes to screwing up the world?

Even if he is really as smart and capable, I really kinda doubt us political system will make it that easy for him...

If only Bernie never bothered running and Hillary's really the best democrats can offer, then for sure she'll have my vote..., but now that I've tasted that foul taste in my mouth, I just cannot bring myself to vote for her... Sigh...

[Sad, little man]

I did say 'bright side', of course there's gonna be a dark side of everything... No candidate's gonna be able to please everyone...

Yeah, silly jews. "Don't hunt us down and force us onto trains bound for death camps." "Don't exterminate us in poison gas chambers." "Don't separate us from our families and then malnourish and work us to death."

How unreasonable. I mean, you can't please everybody! :rolleyes:

[Yw-slayer]

Do you guys really believe Trump will be more 'capable' than Hitler when it comes to screwing up the world?

Dude. Seriously? Nuclear weapons. NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

[overpowered]

North Dakota Pipeline To Halt Temporarily After Tribe’s Protest

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-dakota-pipeline-tribe_us_57cf3702e4b03d2d4597288f

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9M34DzAKo

[Crazed_Insanity]

Dude. Seriously? Nuclear weapons. NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Why would he use those things though? The guy is a egotistical manipulator... by wiping out the rest of the population... nobody would be able to stroke his ego and he'll have nobody to manipulate with!

Having access to US military would be more of a concern though. Even without congressional support, US presidents did establish precedents of starting their own little wars...

US military used to support Trump more than Clinton, but has recently shifted their support to Gary Johnson! So hopefully our soldiers won't be so dumb as to blindly obey every unconstitutional order from President Trump...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, silly jews. "Don't hunt us down and force us onto trains bound for death camps." "Don't exterminate us in poison gas chambers." "Don't separate us from our families and then malnourish and work us to death."

How unreasonable. I mean, you can't please everybody! :rolleyes:

So you really think Trump will be able to trump Hitler? Create concentrations camps for all Mexicans and all Muslims and maybe even asians... so that he can create a new Trumpian race?

I really doubt that's achievable even if that's what he's planning... actually, I really think he's just BSing and saying shit that people wants to hear.

I'm really not sad or scare about Trump himself... I'm more sad and scare of him having that much popular support.

What does this mean? That we have a lot of racist, bigoted Americans? Yeah, maybe, but I think this is primarily rooted by the reality that a lot of Americans are suffering... that's why they're angry!

Trump is simply feeding on their anger.

Democrats on the other hand insists that all is well and we should keep status quo and pretend Bernie doesn't exist.

Anyway, I'm not voting Hillary to punish the Democratic Party.

I almost wanted to vote for Trump in order to punish the Republican Party..., but enemy of my enemy still shouldn't be my friend...

Future of America won't be very bright either way, but I will be able to find the bright side should one of them win out...

Should this kind of crap continues, it's only a matter of time we'll have a 3rd party president.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaqmGORkYCw

PBS News Hour would secretly censor comments from Jill Stein.

What's up with US media today?

[21Kid]

Don't click view post...
Don't click view post...
Don't click view post...

whew. made it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wow. The will is strong with this kid! Overcoming a triple threat! :D

Anyway, as for others, please be considerate and try to not quote me if you wish to respond to any of my opinionated posts! :p

[overpowered]

http://25logicalreasonstovotefordonaldtrump.com/

[Yw-slayer]

Why would he use those things though? The guy is a egotistical manipulator... by wiping out the rest of the population... nobody would be able to stroke his ego and he'll have nobody to manipulate with!

I'm not sure he would see it that way, although it's a bit worrying to think that people might need to try and calm him down by telling him/using that...


Having access to US military would be more of a concern though. Even without congressional support, US presidents did establish precedents of starting their own little wars...

A military with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

[21Kid]

Thanks YW. :finger:

[Yw-slayer]

Oops. Sorry dude.

[21Kid]

:lol: just kidding. I don't care.


Of many oddities last night in Donald Trump’s handling of questions over how he’d function as commander-in-chief, during NBC’s “Commander-in-Chief Forum” last night, 4 stand out:
1. Instead of explaining his previous comment that he knew more about the Islamic State than America's generals, he instead disparaged those generals by saying they'd been "reduced to rubble." Then he suggested his plan to defeat the Islamic State — long something he said was a secret — would instead be formulated with help from top generals. Then he casually indicated he might just fire most of the generals anyway.
2. Trump returned to the old idea that America should have taken Iraq's oil after ousting Saddam Hussein, in violation of international law. He once suggested this should have happened to provide revenue to wounded soldiers; now he argues it would have blocked the rise of the Islamic State (or ISIS, as he calls the group). He also said he had always been against the Iraq War, when in fact he’s on record in the past as supporting it.
3. He said he’d have “different generals” heading the military. But under law, a president can’t summarily fire generals. During a debate in March, Trump was asked what he would do if the military refused to carry out his orders to commit acts of torture or target civilians. "They won't refuse," Trump replied. "They're not going to refuse me. Believe me."
4. Trump said that Russian president Vladimir Putin has "been a leader far more than our president has been." Hello? Putin -- who has squelched dissent in Russia and taken over parts of Crimea is more of a leader than President Obama? Apparently, to Trump, "leadership" means dictatorial control.
At a forum specifically designed to probe how Trump would function as command-in-chief, he displayed complete ignorance of his authority as commander-in-chief, as well as of democracy.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'm not sure he would see it that way, although it's a bit worrying to think that people might need to try and calm him down by telling him/using that...



A military with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Anyway, I'm only concerned that Trump will bully other nations/groups. Having nuclear weapons is good at bullying those who don't have it..., but you can't actually use it! Just as school bullies are only picking on others kids so that they do what the bully wants... Bullies don't really actually want to kill other kids to get into bigger trouble! I just don't think Trump is that mentally foqued up. I guess at least the nations that have Trump towers probably won't be nuked?

Whatever, it is kinda odd that US military are now giving Obama super low ratings... Hillary's also not polling better than Trump. Wonder if we just have stupid, racist, bigoted military or do they know something else we don't.

[neanderthal]

25 years of negative campaigning/ messaging against her.

Just about every single negative thing about her is a trumped up (see what I did there?) storm in a teacup, much like they did to Obama. Except they have 25 years of materials.

Oh, but she used a private server ... so did members of Bush' government. Including Bush himself IIRC. Have they prosecuted/ investigated Bush? Next
Bengha ... SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP! Congress cut money to fund embassy security and she warned them that might happen. Next
Etc etc etc

[Freude am Fahren]

Apparently Colin Powell advised her on using a private email server.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/08/493133413/colin-powells-ways-around-disclosure-detailed-in-new-email

[Crazed_Insanity]

25 years of negative campaigning/ messaging against her.

Just about every single negative thing about her is a trumped up (see what I did there?) storm in a teacup, much like they did to Obama. Except they have 25 years of materials.

Oh, but she used a private server ... so did members of Bush' government. Including Bush himself IIRC. Have they prosecuted/ investigated Bush? Next
Bengha ... SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP! Congress cut money to fund embassy security and she warned them that might happen. Next
Etc etc etc
Obama certainly didn't have 25 yrs of negative campaign against him...,

So the logical conclusion is that our military is made up mostly of bunch of hateful, racist republicans then...

[Crazed_Insanity]

US media is quite amazing now..., normally you'll hardly ever hear about 3rd party candidates..., just as the city of Aleppo itself, but they'd jump on any opportunity to make anyone running against Hillary Clinton look bad.

Yes, I get it now, she's the most qualified and sensible candidate out of the bunch, but sorry, I still can't trust her...

Maybe it's good to get Johnson out of the way so Jill Stein can have a better chance...

[Freude am Fahren]

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I'm sure seeing him make a fool of himself on a major political TV show would have gone completely ignored if it weren't for Hillary calling up all the news outlets and telling them to report on it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

What did Obama do for the poor city under civil war?

Why should average American even care about Aleppo? If doing something for that city is part of the job, president Obama would fail miserably.

Why not ask more relevant questions to begin with?

You still don't think US media is part of the so called 'establishment'?

My new voting algorithm is that whoever the media is supporting and has raised the most money, I'm not gonna vote for that person.

[Sad, little man]

Why should average American even care about Aleppo?
Because your god says love thy neighbor, and your neighbors in Aleppo are currently getting the shit bombed out of them.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Why is the reporter asking Gary Johnson, and not the sitting president is the US?

Even if Johnson came up with an elegant response, avg Americans still couldn't care less about such interview.

[Drachen596]

Wasnt aware Aleppo was part of the US.

Hate to tell you most people in various countries around the world mostly don't care about other places in the world. Unless it directly affects them most people dont even care about whats going on in their own countries.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, it's an interview worthy of 3rd party candidate.

Great response would be meaningless because most voters don't care.

As it happened, it showed that he's clueless.

No matter what, He just can't win.

[21Kid]

Because your god says love thy neighbor, and your neighbors in Aleppo are currently getting the shit bombed out of them.Or... you know... just plain human decency.

[Kchrpm]

I don't know what the US should or should not do in Aleppo.

I do think someone running for president of the United States should be aware of what's going on there.

[Rikadyn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/gary-johnsons-aleppo-gaffe-was-bad-but-trumps-constant-ignorance-is-worse/2016/09/08/202caa72-75e3-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.f87ea7187ae8

[Crazed_Insanity]

Or... you know... just plain human decency.
I guess Obama is not very decent? It's happening on his watch, not Gary Johnson's watch, you know?

Like I said, it was a stupid trick question that set him up to either fail or fade into irrelevance...

Better question would be, what about Baton Rouge?

And do you guys know what decent thing Hillary will do for Aleppo?

[Crazed_Insanity]

I do think someone running for president of the United States should be aware of what's going on there.

Agreed. No argument there.

I really think that question was intended to simply test his knowledge in world geography and he failed.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/gary-johnsons-aleppo-gaffe-was-bad-but-trumps-constant-ignorance-is-worse/2016/09/08/202caa72-75e3-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.f87ea7187ae8

The press is really amazing... they can take anything that's happening and then turn it into another free press for Trump! ;)

Rise of Donald Trump could also be blamed by our own damn press I think... He knows how to work the system to his advantage... unlike Johnson.

[21Kid]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/gary-johnsons-aleppo-gaffe-was-bad-but-trumps-constant-ignorance-is-worse/2016/09/08/202caa72-75e3-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html?utm_term=.f87ea7187ae8
Exactly.
At least he could admit it.

Later, he apologized, saying that he thought “Aleppo” was an acronym. “I feel horrible,” he said to Bloomberg Politics. “I have to get smarter, and that’s just part of the process.”

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