Politics

[Rikadyn]

We should really just end parties.

[G'day Mate]

So, what's with Clinton suddenly being only 2.2 points up? (according to the RCP Aggregate (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html))

[Crazed_Insanity]

We should really just end parties.
That's probably a good idea, but it may confuse stupid voters more... With bunch of Johnson's and steins on ballot, people might not know who to vote for... Except some rich famous loud mouths like trump...

[Crazed_Insanity]

So, what's with Clinton suddenly being only 2.2 points up? (according to the RCP Aggregate (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html))

You didn't keep up with us news?

FBI has decided to rig the system against her now!

[G'day Mate]

So ... that makes Trump more popular while Clinton stays reasonably steady?

[MR2 Fan]

I don't know, I just want this whole circus to be put out of its misery

[Yw-slayer]

I don't know, I just want this whole circus to be put out of its misery

I agree. The general quality of debate and argument has been as bad as it was for Brexit.

[21Kid]

JFC!!! Post-ABC Tracking poll finds race tied, as Trump opens up an 8-point edge on honesty (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/02/tracking-poll-finds-race-tied-as-trump-opens-up-an-8-point-edge-on-honesty/)
:angry: I give up on this country. :smh:

(huh, what's that) Canada you say? I'm hearing good things. Maybe we can start a GTXP.ca community. :finger:
edit: we need an angry finger. :mad: --> :finger:

[tigeraid]

You're all welcome. I've got the room. And Trudeau is dreamy.

[novicius]

Hillary has the Electoral College voters in her corner. So Drumpf might win the popular vote, ask Gore how well that worked out for him.

Even if it's a tie, Biden gets to decide the tie-breaker. Drumpf has to win everything outright.

[21Kid]

I wonder if this is related to any of Trump's rhetoric? :(

University of Wisconsin-Stout Student From Saudi Arabia Killed (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/university-wisconsin-stout-student-saudi-arabia-killed-n676101)

[Crazed_Insanity]

So ... that makes Trump more popular while Clinton stays reasonably steady?

I think each has a pretty solid base of supporters... who are not really all that in love with their candidate... they just can't stand the other candidate.

I don't think Hillary's # will go down any further even if FBI tosses her in jail... because even that would be more palatable than having Trump as president for them.

As for why Trump's # went up? Well, I suppose FBI's action was enough to sway some undecided folks to become more determined to make sure "crooked" Hillary won't win. Libertarian candidate was as high up as 10% before, but I see him dwindled down to less than 5% now on most polls... so basically the increased hatred for Hillary boosted Trump's chances.

LA Times poll even has Trump ahead of Hillary now...

It's really amazing that we can have these 2 candidates running this close to each other... and Americans' hatred for each other also soars to new heights. Pretty sad.

[Rikadyn]

2012

[neanderthal]

I saw a twitter feed with the stuff Drumpf has done and every response against it was "Clinton emails."

Can't find it now, but I was going to post it here.

[21Kid]

It amazes me the level of cognitive dissonance involved in politics. (At least from my point of view) Mainly on the GOP side.

Most Democratic-leaning people I know recognize and acknowledge what HRC did was questionable at best.
But the complete pile of crap that is Drumpf's life doesn't seem to effect people on the GOP-side.

Maybe it's just me personally.

But if HRC had spoke down about Veterans as Drumpf has.
Demeaned women as Drumpf has.
Demeaned Mexicans as Drumpf has.
Banned a religious group from coming to the US as Drumpf has.
Made fun of a handicapped reporter as Drumpf has.
Bragged about sexually assaulting women as Drumpf has.
Lied about 9/11 as Drumpf has.
Lied about starting the birther movement as Drumpf has.
Promised to bring back torture as Drumpf has.
Promised to bomb innocent people as Drumpf has.
Had thousands of lawsuits as Drumpf has.
Been sued by The Department of Justice for housing discrimination as Drumpf has.
Run a scam university as Drumpf has.
Refused to pay contractors as Drumpf has.
Broke Casino laws as Drumpf has.
Used her own foundation for personal purposes as Drumpf has. (although there may be something to the allegations against the Clinton foundation)
Bragged about not paying taxes as Drumpf has.
Violated numerous political campaign laws as Drumpf has.
Constantly retweeted White supremacist propaganda as Drumpf has.
Lied 70% of the time as Drumpf has.
Talked down to (basically everyone non-white) like Drumpf.

There's no way in hell I'd vote for her. She's been through numerous investigations for Benghazi, the emails, etc... and they've said she did nothing wrong. She may not be perfect, or even great. But, to compare her to the shit that he's done is comical. He's literally a reality TV host running against a seasoned political veteran. I don't even see how this is close.

Even his policies are a joke.
They are so absurd I can't even believe someone jokes about them... Let alone bases his entire campaign on them.

Making Mexico pay for a pointless wall when there is zero net-immigration. Banning a religious groups. Repeal the ACA and go back to free market, would be devastating. Repeal the clean energy act, open more drilling and fracking, causing massive pollution and threatening our future. Increase are already bloated military. Bomb innocent civilians, torture captives, and take their oil, violating the geneva convention. Massively cut school funding which is already suffering in many locations. Re-implement stop & frisk which is unconstitutional. Negotiate or repeal trade deals, even though he has directly taken advantage of them. Decrease NATO involvement. Expand open carry laws and empower citizens to defend themselves. All while reducing taxes for the very rich and costing us $5 Trillion.

I can't even process the level of comparing this to... her emails. Which, again have been cleared by the FBI. :|

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's just you and most everyone else who are stuck supporting a particular candidate with no way out because hatred for the other candidate to just too much.

Only a small group of voters are undecided about which to support... Which they hate less.

I belong to an even smaller stein group.

Btw, it's apparent now that FBI cleared her because there wasn't enough info back in July, not because they found that she didn't do anything wrong. DNC's way of avoiding freedom of information act is pretty annoying.

[21Kid]

Oh yay... :twitch:

U.S. militia girds for trouble as presidential election nears (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-militia-girds-trouble-presidential-election-nears-102009970.html)

JACKSON, Ga. (Reuters) - Down a Georgia country road, camouflaged members of the Three Percent Security Force have mobilized for rifle practice, hand-to-hand combat training -- and an impromptu campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

"How many people are voting for Trump? Ooh-rah!" asks Chris Hill, a paralegal who goes by the code name "Bloodagent."

"Ooh-rah!" shout a dozen militia members in response, as morning sunlight sifted through the trees last weekend.

As the most divisive presidential election in recent memory nears its conclusion, some armed militia groups are preparing for the possibility of a stolen election on Nov. 8 and civil unrest in the days following a victory by Democrat Hillary Clinton.

[Tom Servo]

"How many people are voting for Trump? Ooh-rah!" asks Chris Hill, a paralegal who goes by the code name "Bloodagent."

This is going to be the premise behind a sitcom someday.

[21Kid]

1st reaction was "No way is this real"... then I remember all of the videos from his rallies. :smh:

[Phil_SS]

Sounds like the same rhetoric before Y2K. Nothing will come of it. It's just clickbait.

[drew]

First law Trump will Exec Order is The Purge - Twitter Edition.

You're allowed to tweet anything to anyone with no consequences. Unless you direct it at him, then you go to Super Gitmo Trump and made roomies with Rosie O'Donnell.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRQwWHa6ywg&ab_channel=CNN

[Alan P]

So with the election only a few days away and the polls seem to show the candidates actually coming together I'm now starting to wonder, does Trump actually stand a chance? Can he actually do it? Could Clinton getting actually cause more problems than it solves with a pseudo civil war happening in some parts of the country? Or will there be some people with their backs up ip until they realise not a lot has changed?

[Kchrpm]

He definitely could actually do it.

[Tom Servo]

"Trump supporters at Tampa rally kicked at wheelchair of a kid with cerebral palsy, who was ejected from the event."

https://twitter.com/morningmoneyben/status/795437774027575296

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'm most baffled by what the FBI director did... He should've just kept it shut... And it you really want to stir shit up... Then stir it up. Right now I'm sure he has made everyone his enemy.

Now, he'll probably face investigation for messing with the election.

[21Kid]

One last time before the election...

DON'T FORGET: DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO BANG HIS DAUGHTER (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/73fxht/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-don-t-forget--donald-trump-wants-to-bang-his-daughter)

[novicius]

I find it humorous that people who are ignoring Trump's peccadillos do so under the idea that he's somehow pro-protectionist, that he's not a globalist.

You think that after all the shit he's lied about, exaggerated about or boasted about, he's suddenly telling the sterling truth about enacting tariffs and protecting American manufacturing and American workers?? :lol: :lol: :lol: HE IS A GLOBALIST RIGHT NOW, TODAY. His threat to put a tariff on Ford's small cars built in Mexico for example is a straight-A lie. Bank on it.

The globalists have won this round. Fall back to defending the cultural gains at this point -- to do anything else is deplorable.

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0bMfS-_pjM

[Tom Servo]

Might have to enjoy a nice mazel tov cocktail (http://www.ew.com/article/2016/11/07/trump-scottie-nell-hughes-mazel-tov-cocktails) during the election tomorrow night while eating immigrant food.

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

[drew]

Countdown to extinctions starts in 12 minutes.

I'll be spending my day Mad Maxxing the Si.

[novicius]

Both the PEC (http://election.princeton.edu/) & Daily Kos' Drew Linzer (http://votamatic.org/)call it for Clinton at 90+%. Game over.

So how 'bout them Packers? :lol:

[Tom Servo]

Which day do we vote again?

[drew]

You can vote for Trump on the 28th.

[21Kid]

Drama...


An Instagram commenter asked the Brazilian supermodel Friday: “Gisele I heard you and Tom were backing Trump! Is that true?? @gisele.”

Bundchen responded, “NO!”

Not that people could dislike him anymore, but... Belichick indeed wrote a letter to Trump (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/11/08/belichick-indeed-wrote-a-letter-to-trump/)
“Congratulations on a tremendous campaign,” Trump said, quoting the letter. “You have dealt with an unbelievable slanted and negative media, and have come out beautifully – beautifully. You’ve proved to be the ultimate competitor and fighter. Your leadership is amazing. I have always had tremendous respect for you, but the toughness and perseverance you have displayed over the past year is remarkable. Hopefully tomorrow’s election results will give the opportunity to make America great again. Best wishes for great results tomorrow.”

[21Kid]

:lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_f0n-EqRkY&t=2s

[novicius]

Oh yeah, if I haven't said it before I sincerely hope that Trump runs again in 2020. :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

It's the season finale folks! Who will win? Barb? Or the Demogorgon?

:lol:

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

[21Kid]

If Donald Trump is elected President, First Lady Melania Trump's cause would be cyberbullying. No, not promoting cyberbullying, but fighting against cyberbullying.:lol:

[Crazed_Insanity]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/2016-california-senate-harris-sanchez-jungle-open-primary-reform-214429

One cool thing that resulted in CA proposition is the new 'jungle primaries'... where they ignore party affiliations and will have only the top 2 running off against each other in November general election... and this has resulted in a senate race in CA with 2 democratic candidates! But of course even with such practice on national election this time... there's still no guarantee that Bernie would end up beating Trump as the 2nd candidate...

Anyway, so either way, CA will elect nation's 1st black/Indian/female(Harris) or a 1st Latina(Sanchez) senator.

One unfortunate thing about this historic dem on dem race is that it's just so uninspiring. I'm still kinda not sure which to vote for... I'm leaning toward the underdog from southern CA mostly because she's the one without endorsement from Hillary, Obama, and Warren. I like Warren's endorsement, but couldn't really careless about Hillary's and Obama's anymore. But considering Warren also endorsed Hillary and should've endorsed Sanders made me question her judgement now... that maybe she's becoming more 'established' now?

Anyway, what do you think Tom Servo? Do you have any good reasons to NOT vote for Sanchez? I figure she's more of a centrist and has way more experience working in congress as a congresswoman.

[Tom Servo]

I don't have any particularly strong feelings either way about Harris v. Sanchez, and I think they'll both do a perfectly reasonable job. I voted Harris mostly because I find Sanchez bragging that she's got Homeland Security experience to be a negative, and also that whole doing the stereotypical "Native American war cry" thing a while back makes a slightly worried that she'd do that as a senator and then we'd have to deal with her pissing off some group because she seems to have a bit of a problem controlling herself. Not unlike Trump mocking the disabled reporter, actually.

That said, I'm not going to be upset if Sanchez wins, just that I generally hold the department of Homeland Security in a certain level of contempt and am more worried that Sanchez would step on her own pud, so to speak.

[novicius]

Just heard a rumor that VP Joe Biden might be heading to the State Dep't. to replace John Kerry.

Better keep Firebird One warmed up, the PBR on ice and prepare to get your ass kicked, World! :lol: Love the guy but I don't know if this is going to be the best fit!

[21Kid]

Oh boy... :smh:

Trump files Nevada voting lawsuit (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html)


They are suing Joe P. Gloria, the Clark County registrar of voters, over a decision they allege he made to keep polling locations open "two hours beyond the designated closing time." The lawsuit targets polling places in the greater Las Vegas area that have larger minority voting precincts.

[Random]

Swervo, Billi; local friends in the political business overwhelmingly prefer Harris. They consider Sanchez to be all talk, no substance. FWIW. :)

[Freude am Fahren]

If you are experiencing voter intimidation, immediately call 1-866-OUR-VOTE.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xDyRZKdk2e3Zx6/source.gif?linkId=30937713

:smh:

[Tom Servo]

Oh boy... :smh:

Trump files Nevada voting lawsuit (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html)

NBC reporter I follow on Twitter says (after saying that the judge basically just stared incredulously as they made their arguments) that the judge says the Trump campaign failed to exhaust administrative remedy so they're not gettin' squat.

[21Kid]

Throughout the 2016 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton and the white pantsuit became synonymous. The Democratic candidate wore different versions by designer Ralph Lauren to the party’s national convention in July — when Clinton became the first woman to accept a presidential nomination — and again for the third and final debate.
In both instances, many on social media were quick to point out that American suffragists wore white during their protests a century ago to win for women the right to vote, and Clinton’s fans have used the color throughout her campaign to advocate for her candidacy.

Tomorrow Nasty Women #WearWhiteToVote to honour the Women who fought for emancipation
Women across the nation have even adopted a campaign to wear white to vote to honor feminists and mark this election’s milestone in our country’s history.

:lol:
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/GQclfaDIri54dyehCWHwow--/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD00Mjc7dz02NDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaH lvbg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/41738a1d509a6d14e1b4fc92cea0c3b2

[Crazed_Insanity]

Random, I did notice Harris has overwhelming support, but why?

Sanchez should be the one with more experience in congress. More of her house colleagues endorsed her than Harris. I also liked that she voted against Iraq war and patriot act and Wall Street bailout.

With my current dissatisfaction of the democratic establishment, I'm really more incline to vote against their endorsement.

Plus, we have so many Latinos in CA, I think she should do fine...

I really don't have anything against Harris personally either, but her being the darling of the democratic establishment is making me not want to vote for her...

[21Kid]

6% reporting... CALL IT!

[George]

https://d13yacurqjgara.cloudfront.net/users/27178/screenshots/803078/vote-quimby.png

[G'day Mate]

$20 billion wiped off the Australian stock market less than half way to a result ...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Can't believe Trump is actually leading at the moment. But the night is still young.

[G'day Mate]

Holy moly ... http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

[G'day Mate]

Can't believe Trump is actually leading at the moment. But the night is still young.

It is, but at the same time Trump appears to be leading where it counts. The Dems usually come home strong with California, right? Still, Trump currently leads ALL the battleground states except for Pensylvania.

[Rikadyn]

Minorities and the left in general in america, might be time to get a gun and learn to use it, because quite possibly the only thing going to be able to defend you

[Yw-slayer]

JFC. :down:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Hmm... Hope this won't turn out like brexit...

If it does, DNC has itself to blame for blocking Sanders' bid!

If the dude never claimed to grab pussy cats, I suppose he would've won with a landslide!?!?!

Currently senate and house seats are favoring republicans too. This does not compute.

Anyway, my vote for Stein really wouldn't make any difference...

Night isn't officially over yet...

[Godson]

Well fuck.

[G'day Mate]

Night isn't officially over yet...

No, but the fat lady's warming up

[G'day Mate]

Anyone want to make some post-election predictions?

Mine are that Trump tries his hardest to put Clinton in jail (and probably succeeds), and that the wall never even gets started.

[neanderthal]

Billi.

Do you remember me saying that the Republicans will come around and vote for their candidate regardless of how much they hate him? And that voters like you are throwing away your vote?

[Godson]

Fucking fuck fuck fuck

[KillerB]

what the fuck.

[neanderthal]

And the difference in a bunch swing states is within the range of votes given to outsiders like Johnson and Stein.

[Godson]

The first time in my life, I'm ashamed to be a white male.

[neanderthal]

Read em and weep (http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls)

[Godson]

That's fucking disgusting to see.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Billi.

Do you remember me saying that the Republicans will come around and vote for their candidate regardless of how much they hate him? And that voters like you are throwing away your vote?

I live in CA. My vote for Jill Stein won't hurt Hillary nor will it help Trump. We also have an all democrat senate race.

It's amazing that the supposedly imploded RNC end up controlling everything.

still, the silver lining is that Trump isn't an established candidate and so RNC technically didn't win the White House.

Election result showed that Americans are as angry as the Brits.

DNC has itself to blame for ignoring the needs of the deplorables for 8 years...

Sigh, time to buy stocks tomorrow!!!

[Yw-slayer]

At least soon you guys will know what Malaysians like me go through at cocktail parties. :lol:

[The359]

Welp, I am disappointed in a lot of things.

[Godson]

Please tell me 2016 is just a bad dream.

I'd really like to have my Mulligan now.

2022

[Yw-slayer]

In other news, Idiocracy sales go through the roof!!

Until the TrumProtection Squadron shuts down the distributor and executes Mike Judge publicly because, you know, contrary to TrumPrinzip. Hail victory?

[Leon]

How much is the world going to be fucked, purely on the global stockmarket crashes this election is about to cause?

[Yw-slayer]

Well, there'll be a few corrections but they'll price the news in pretty quickly. If you're optimistic you could look at it as a buying opportunity. US Defence and construction stocks...? :lol:

I actually thought about buying stocks in a US arms mfger many years ago (which went up around 30-40% from what I recall) but as Mekon said, that's a good way to ensure you come back as a cockroach in your next life. :lol:

[KillerB]

Yeah, if it's anything like the Brexit, the markets will jump back pretty quickly.

...anyone got some EMR work in your country?*

*Saudi Arabia need not apply - already had them trying to get me once

[Yw-slayer]

I think you might have just missed the boat on Hong Kong.

[IMOA]

How much is the world going to be fucked, purely on the global stockmarket crashes this election is about to cause?

Predictions of doom are rarely realised. Some hiccups and then it will get on with things.

That said, personally I'm quite happy to see an isolationist USA who is antagonistic towards china, it's just much more business for us.

[KillerB]

HK is part of China now - I probably should have given them an asterisk too.

[SkylineObsession]

Hmmm... wonder how this is going to turn out.

[Yw-slayer]

HK is part of China now

Depends on who you believe. :assclown:

Greg - it's not necessarily that he'll destroy the country. It's more about the fact that there are so many people out there who can actually vote for someone with all his "qualities". I'd mention these in more detail, but I'm actually genuinely fearful of doing so until he leaves office.

[drew]

I'm so utterly and completely fucking appalled. I'm truly ashamed to be an American.

We're watching the news this morning to see how far the stock markets tank.

Add to that, Putin's already given his :up: to Trump. Turkey said "fuck you" for using their base as a stage for ISIS.

This and Brexit.....

What the fucking fuck.

[Alan P]

I have a lot of thoughts on the matter but will wait until I'm on a computer rather than lying in bed on my iPad.

Isn't he due in court soon for fraud? What happens if he's found guilty and given jail time? Can he pardon himself?


Also I said it months ago, the person who could beat Trump was royally screwed by the DNC because they wanted who they wanted, regardless of who the public wanted. Now look how that turned out. Assholes.

Bernie is, sadly, too old for another run so I'm hoping that Elizabeth Warren becomes more prominent.

I'm also scared about what Trump and a friendly congress could actually do to your country. Obamacare being gutted, potentially millions of people losing healthcare coverage, massive corporate tax cuts to try and entice them into bringing jobs in when they'll likely just say 'Thanks Donald!' Take the savings and still manufacture abroad or pay everyone a pittance here because there are 30,000 applicants for your 1,000 jobs so it becomes a race to see how low you can take their pay down to while still doing the job, because if one doesn't like the pay, someone else will.

I can see him trying to get all his opponents in jail or silenced and I also worry about the sycophantic arse lickers who have ridden on his coat tails who will now be given cabinet jobs. There is a very, very real chance that your country is well and truly screwed, and I truly, honestly believe that no one except the 1% will be any better off at any point in the next four years.

[drew]

Yep. Trump University.

It's a fucking disgrace.

[novicius]

Both the PEC (http://election.princeton.edu/) & Daily Kos' Drew Linzer (http://votamatic.org/)call it for Clinton at 90+%. Game over.

So how 'bout them Packers? :lol:
I spat into the face of the almighty Reverse Jinx and it cost us all -- sorry America!! :lol:

I'm looking forward to reading these analysts' floundering on how they could be *so* wrong. :smh:

Ah well, White America has spoken. #shrug

[drew]

They spoke with their right arm stretched out while goose stepping.


Fucking horrifying.

[tigeraid]

You poor, poor bastards.

[Yw-slayer]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/president-donald-trump-democracies-chinese-state-media-xinhua-news-agency-a7406141.html

LulZ

[G'day Mate]

:lol:

The Onion has weighed in as well ... http://www.theonion.com/article/fbi-uncovers-al-qaeda-plot-to-just-sit-back-and-en-35788

[JoshInKC]

Wow. I was like 100% wrong about this cycle. Apparently America is much worse than even I had thought.
Good luck, women and minorities. Unfortunately, I think you're going to need it.

[novicius]

Ain't nothin' new, man. #shrug

[JSGeneral]

Massachusetts saw this coming and knew we were too small to stop it. So to cope, we legalized recreational marijuana.

[MR2 Fan]

Only around 1,460 days left until we can try this whole voting thing again

[Tom Servo]

Hey, at least now he'll actually have to come up with plans for things now, right?

On the plus side, things went mostly the way I wanted in CA except for the death penalty (looks like we're voting to just kill people faster rather than repeal it). And soon we get to get high all the time to deal with this shit.

LA looks like it's passing Measure M, so that should speed up our transit/light rail projects. That's pretty nice.

[21Kid]

I feel ashamed to be a white male. It feels like we just fucked over all Women, Muslims, and basically all minorities.

Hell, we might have fucked all of humanity... if Trump truly tries to pull us out of the Paris agreement, extend oil drilling, fracking, and coal production. :smh:

We're at a crucial point of needing to do a lot more than we are currently. Not less.

[Godson]

A friend posted this on fb today. It echoes my feeling pretty much exactly.

"I finally realized the last time I felt this bad for myself and my country ---
Tuesday, September 11, 2001."

[neanderthal]

The bigger point I was making was that you and your selfish ilk with your protest votes have wrought what we now face; a red White House, red Senate, red House of Representatives, with three Supreme Court justices on the line in the immediate future.

You did not do what was good for the country you did what made little old you feel better, and here we are. You and all your independent voting ilk.

One doesn't get a rabid dog to protect against burglary.

You can blame the DNC all you want, but the choice for WH was between a not bad choice and a very fucking bad choice, and we've ended up with a very fucking bad choice. Reap what you've sown.

[21Kid]

So we are going to...

Build a wall
Lock her up
Ban Muslims
Repeal Obamacare
Get new trade deals

When and how are we going to accomplish this?

[mk]

My impression was that he tried to lose all the time.

Amount of hate of HRC was also unknown.
(media only experiment)

Good luck.
(we too)

[Yeti]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals

Basically sums up my feelings. even though I voted for her, I have to put a significant portion of the blame on Hillary's campaign and supporters.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think you guys should try to see the bright side...

Americans are obviously angry. However, is this anger truly based on hatred and ignorance? Personally, I see it mostly as voter antiestablishment sentiments. That was how trump surf the wave of anger during the primaries and now again in general election.

If we had Bernie, America would not appear as hateful and crazy!

I, for one, am glad to see the elite spent millions and lost during this election. Terrorists must also be shitting in their pants now.

As for rest of his promises, I'm sure he won't be able to deliver. And I'm counting on him to chk and balance a republican congress! ;)

I am fascinated how much greater Trumpcare would be!

[Godson]

The bigger point I was making was that you and your selfish ilk with your protest votes have wrought what we now face; a red White House, red Senate, red House of Representatives, with three Supreme Court justices on the line in the immediate future.

You did not do what was good for the country you did what made little old you feel better, and here we are. You and all your independent voting ilk.

One doesn't get a rabid dog to protect against burglary.

You can blame the DNC all you want, but the choice for WH was between a not bad choice and a very fucking bad choice, and we've ended up with a very fucking bad choice. Reap what you've sown.

Who is this at?

[Kchrpm]

People that voted for third party candidates just because they didn't like Hillary or Trump.

[JoshInKC]

However, is this anger truly based on hatred and ignorance?

If it looks like a (racist, sexist) duck, walks like a (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck, and votes for a (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck, it seems likely that the electorate is (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck.

[21Kid]

We could have had President Bernie. :(

[Crazed_Insanity]

If it looks like a (racist, sexist) duck, walks like a (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck, and votes for a (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck, it seems likely that the electorate is (racist, sexist, ignorant) duck.

No doubt Trump leveraged on these negative stuffs and for sure there are racist and sexist voters, but point is the whole thing was rooted in voters' anti-establishment sentiments. DNC had an awesome anti-establishment candidate, but the DNC establishment wish to maintain status quo and think it knows what's best, rather than listening to voters' concerns. Voting in a 1st female president just to maintain 'status quo' is pretty pointless. If our economy were doing wonderfully, I'm sure DNC could easily pull this off. However, reality is that middle class is hurting, and our political establishment is only concerned with the wishes of the top 1%. It is also pretty ironic that we actually voted in a candidate who belong in the top 1% to serve the rest of the 99%... if only we could have Bernie in the running...

Anyway, in the end, I guess most of the polls were rigged pretty good, huh? Almost every poll around the nation other than the LA Times/USC poll predicted Trump's lead. I wonder if this also help pushed the frustrated voters to want to 'help' Trump out a bit in the last minute. Wasn't Brexit like this too? Every poll predicted remain prior to voting?

[Kchrpm]

The polls weren't "rigged", they just weren't accurate. They don't ask every single person, they try to make guesses based on who they choose to ask and who chooses to respond. There are any number of reasons for that process to not be accurate.

[Conman]

SMH at you guys. The country has spoken. It was a landslide victory, with historic turnout in key states. And yet you call these people racist, ignorant, and sexist because they don't agree with your choice of candidate. I'm sure President Trump won't be able to deliver on all of his promises. No president does. But he will repeal a horrible healthcare program. He will strengthen our military. Get on board or be what you accuse Obama non-supporters of. We make more difference in this country in our local elections, our state elections. I hope you live in a place where people are like minded. Where you can mold your town, or county or state to support your ideals. The country as a whole will creep along as it has for years. Hell, we survived Jimmy freaking Carter, W twice, and Obama twice, it can't be that bad.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals

Basically sums up my feelings. even though I voted for her, I have to put a significant portion of the blame on Hillary's campaign and supporters.

Yep, that echoed my sentiments too.

To blame Clinton's loss on the crazy hateful conservatives and the clueless 3rd party supporters is all fine and dandy, yeah sure, it's all somebody else's fault...

But hopefully this election result will help the DNC establishment wake up to the errors of their ways.

[Kchrpm]

They're not racist or sexist, they just care more about their money and their guns more than they respect the lives and happiness of people who aren't like them.

[drew]

...and they're racists.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The polls weren't "rigged", they just weren't accurate. They don't ask every single person, they try to make guesses based on who they choose to ask and who chooses to respond. There are any number of reasons for that process to not be accurate.

Considering how the media worked together with the DNC to block Sanders' bid, I wouldn't completely toss out the possibility that the poll #s were inaccurate intentionally... However, even the Fox News polls were wrong too... so yeah, most likely they were just inaccurate unintentionally.

Anyway, whether intentionally or unintentionally, polls for the most part were inaccurate and misleading and I'm sure that can play a part on how people cast their votes.

[Kchrpm]

"We have the greatest, most advanced military in the world, but it needs to be better! And in exchange for improving the military, we will talk down to minorities, for a start, assault women and remove all rights from non-heterosexuals. Fair deal?"

Large groups of white, straight men: "Yeah, sure, we can make that sacrifice."

[Kchrpm]

Anyway, whether intentionally or unintentionally, polls for the most part were inaccurate and misleading and I'm sure that can play a part on how people cast their votes.

Are you suggesting that people voted third party because they thought that it didn't matter, because of what they assumed the people in their area would vote for based on polls and previous results? Man, that sounds bad, who would do that?!

[Godson]

I just hope I am wrong.

[samoht]

There were a lot of reported hate crimes here in the days and weeks after the Brexit vote.

It's not exactly the same thing, so I hope that doesn't happen in the US, but it seems like a risk unfortunately.


Part of me is fascinated to discover what Trump will actually *do* as president, given how vacuous and vague his "policies" have been to date.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Kchrpm, Gary had 3% of the vote and Stein has 1%... while both Hillary and Trump got 48% each.

If anything, Gary probably stole more votes away from Trump. So enough of blaming the 3rd party supporters.

I was just saying poll #s can definitely influence people.

When there are large disparities, most people probably won't want to waste their votes on losers... that's why the 3rd party candidates ended up with a lot less support in the end.

When it's a tight race, such as with Hillary and Trump or remain or exit, I wonder if that'll benefit the underdog more? Or some folks are just too embarrassed to confess their support for Trump or Brexit? So whenever the polls are this close on such issues, then we can bet that the more emotional side will end up winning?

I don't know, I'm sure this is something the historians will try to figure out...

[The359]

SMH at you guys. The country has spoken. It was a landslide victory, with historic turnout in key states.

He lost the popular vote, how exactly is it a landslide? Obama in 2012 had a bigger margin of victory in electoral votes than Trump has now.


And yet you call these people racist, ignorant, and sexist because they don't agree with your choice of candidate.

Because enabling a sexist and racist person to have power is turning a blind eye to an issue.


Get on board or be what you accuse Obama non-supporters of.

Pretty certain people's objections to Trump are wholly different from people's objections to Obama.

[Crazed_Insanity]

There were a lot of reported hate crimes here in the days and weeks after the Brexit vote.

It's not exactly the same thing, so I hope that doesn't happen in the US, but it seems like a risk unfortunately.

Oh, I think this is VERY MUCH the similar thing if not the same thing.

But I hope these hate crimes will be limited... and in a way, I think this is probably more preferable than dealing with a defeated Trump... and his supporters with already pent up frustrations... things probably will get uglier with a Hillary win.

[Conman]

A landslide electoral college victory. He won your state as well.

And enabling a liar who cares little about the rules and following them is turning a blind eye as well.

My Security Clearance reinvestigation was held up for an unpaid medical bill. I shudder to think what would happen to me if I was so casual with classified material.

I don't think Trump or Clinton were perfect people, far from it. But we must get beyond the name calling and derision and work together to move this country forward.

I have been a member of this forum from the beginning, and I know I am in the minority here as far as politics. I don't appreciate being called racist, sexist, or any other names. I thought you intellectual types were better than that.

[The359]

A landslide electoral college victory. He won your state as well.

Again, he won less electoral votes than Obama did in 2012.


And enabling a liar who cares little about the rules and following them is turning a blind eye as well.

...........do you not realize who you voted for?


My Security Clearance reinvestigation was held up for an unpaid medical bill. I shudder to think what would happen to me if I was so casual with classified material.

I don't think Trump or Clinton were perfect people, far from it. But we must get beyond the name calling and derision and work together to move this country forward.

....like you just did the statement before? This isn't name calling, this is calling someone what he is. If we're moving this country forward, why are so many fearful that he will in fact move this backwards?


I have been a member of this forum from the beginning, and I know I am in the minority here as far as politics. I don't appreciate being called racist, sexist, or any other names. I thought you intellectual types were better than that.

Nobody is calling you racist or sexist or any names. We're calling your support for a racist, sexist, whateverist to be misplaced.

I'm also sure Muslims don't appreciate being called terrorists.

I'm also sure Mexicans don't appreciate being called rapists.

I'm also sure women don't appreciate being eye candy.

I'm also sure Obama doesn't appreciate being called non-American.

[Kchrpm]

Kchrpm, Gary had 3% of the vote and Stein has 1%... while both Hillary and Trump got 48% each.

If anything, Gary probably stole more votes away from Trump. So enough of blaming the 3rd party supporters.

Let's look at a few of the swing states that Donald won.

Florida (29 electoral votes): Hillary + Third Parties = 50.8% vs Trump = 49%



Donald Trump
Republican Party
49%
4,605,515


Hillary Clinton
Democratic Party
48%
4,485,745


Gary Johnson
Libertarian Party
2%
206,007


Jill Stein
Green Party
0.7%
64,019



Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes): Hillary + Third Parties = 51.2% vs Trump = 49%



Donald Trump
Republican Party
49%
2,912,941


Hillary Clinton
Democratic Party
48%
2,844,705


Gary Johnson
Libertarian Party
2%
142,653


Jill Stein
Green Party
0.9%
48,912


Darrell Castle
Constitution
0.4%
20,896



Michigan (16 electoral votes): Hillary + Third Parties = 52.4% vs Trump = 48%



Donald Trump
Republican Party
48%
2,278,621


Hillary Clinton
Democratic Party
47%
2,265,935


Gary Johnson
Libertarian Party
4%
172,937


Jill Stein
Green Party
1%
51,444


Darrell Castle
Constitution
0.40%
16,141


Emidio Soltysik
Natural Law Party
0.10%
2,233



So if 2/3rds or 3/4ths of the third party voters went for Hillary instead, she'd have an additional 65 electoral votes and would have won. So yes, the third party voters mattered. Are they solely to blame? Of course not. But they definitely could have swung the results.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Why do you believe all 3rd party voters would've vote for Hillary if they don't vote 3rd party? Pretty sure Jill Stein votes would not goto Trump, but Johnson's votes would' most likely gone to Trump instead. I'm pretty sure most Bernie or bust folks are more for Jill than Gary.

So Michigan might've been flipped if we give all of Jill's 1% to Clinton.

However, if you look at overall data, if we eliminated all 3rd party candidate options, it's clear that Trump would've won the electoral votes anyway.

Remember, there are conservatives who are not happy with Trump. There are people from both sides looking at the 3rd option. I think there are more conservative leaning voters going for 3rd party than liberal leaners. Let's be fair and split them 50/50... don't assume 2/3 or 3/4 of them would go for Hillary... will Hillary still win with 50% of the 3rd party votes? Doubt it.

As the most qualified candidate against the least qualified candidate EVER and the result is this close..., you might as well concede. Further, DNC lost the senate too!!! The party has obviously lost its grip with the people.

Anyway, let's see how he's going to make America great again. Let's see how much better his healthcare will be... he has 4 years to deliver something... fingers crossed.

If he failed to deliver, as expected, then I hope DNC will finally wise up and abandon their old established ways. Defeating the RNC should be a piece of cake. Learn from Trump!

[Phil_SS]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals

Just wanted to say this sums it up for me. And I'm glad this will be the end for Hillary Clinton. She has always been the sketchier of the two and that is saying something. And the DNC deserves what it got.

And I'm not really worried about a Trump presidency as I am by the effect it could have on The Supreme Court.

[Kchrpm]

Why do you believe all 3rd party voters would've vote for Hillary if they don't vote 3rd party?

I don't believe that. I did the math for all of them doing it because it's easier, but I also said that if 2/3rds or 3/4ths did (with the rest staying put or going Trump), Hillary would have won.

[thesameguy]

This will be my Q4 post in the Pit Stop:

The fact that people woulda coulda shoulda used their votes defensively to prevent a Trump victory is exactly why Trump won. One option was The Establishment, and not only that, a candidate with questionable (NOT BAD, just questionable) financial and political ties, who on the surface seems far more connected to the 1% than the 99% and STILL had demonstrable conniving on her behalf during the primaries. She was a shitty candidate to start, and finished with an uninspiring, non-directed message that, in combination, left on the fence voters confused about what it was she actually promised. On the other side you have a guy that fought his way to the top of the heap, inexplicably overcame the entire media industry - not to mention a significant part of his own party - standing against him, who good or bad resonated (the resonation, not the result) with a big slice of America in the form of middle-aged white males. To recap, one on-top candidate who essentially represents everything America has become, and one underdog candidate who essentially represents everything America was (that is, maybe, pro-white-male, I don't know).

America loves the underdog, and it's no surprise in any way, shape or form that Trump won.

Whether for truth or fiction a lot of America feels like they've been left behind, and Trump spoke to those people amazingly effectively. When the choice came down for someone who if nothing else has close ties to the 1% or someone who is promising to put your hands to work and put money back in your pocket, in this climate there is no uncertainty of which way people will go. That's Brexit all over again.

The fact that it's even a point of discussion that a vote for a 3rd party was effectively a vote for Trump is the single largest symptom of this bullshit. That discussion is literally "it's not for me, it's for them" which is antithetical to people who already feel short-changed by the system. It's painful to even think about.

Here in the RoC I'm not all that worried about Trump. We're gonna do like we also do, which broadly involves not making a whole lot of sense but generally results in the benefit of people and places. I feel AWFUL for women, the LGBT community, and minorities elsewhere in the country, I feel awful for foreign relations, and I feel awful for all the uncertainty we're all now facing.

But I hope the orange cloud has a silver lining, and next time the RNC and DNC start discussing candidates they recognize that while our government probably isn't by the people anymore, it's at least still for the people and propping up idiots simply because they deserve their moment in the spotlight just might end up like this again. Winning the election apparently now means talking to the people like they matter, instead of vague suggestions of what might be accomplished while I get $27m paydays.

I voted for HRC and immediately felt dirty for doing it. I wish I'd been one of Bernie's abstainers even knowing what I know now.

[KillerB]

Said better than any post I'd have written. :up:

[Godson]

I'm mostly worried about the closet crazies who think their actions can now be justified.

[drew]

Exactly. That shit scares the hell out of me.

I find myself fearing that which was created by fear-mongering during his campaign.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think each side has this irrational fear/hatred for the other side.

Time to put that aside and work together... Surely no Americans have issues with actually making America great again? Or is that slogan so politicized now liberal Americans now actually want to make America as lousy and weak as possible just to go against Trump and the RNC?

In 4 more years.... at most 8, you can get rid of him. Fingers crossed that DNC come up with good candidates that can actually inspire people rather than just criticize how lousy, stupid, or crazy the RNC candidates are. Emotional appeal is important. Emotions often trump reason. That's how our brain works. Hope DNC take notes and remember in 4 more years...

You know, I'm actually hoping that Trump will eventually fracture the RNC some more and totally break the 2 party system from now on... I do wonder how the RNC is taking it... are they happy or not happy that their party won..., because altho they won, the president-elect is completely out of their control...

I'm also looking forward to see Trump's true colors... I really find it hard to believe that a New Yorker can be THAT conservative... now that he's successfully manipulated his voters and won the election, I wonder what exactly will he do... then I'll decide whether to be scared or not!

[The359]

I think there's a large difference between people fearing over human rights under Trump versus people fearing big government or gun rights under Clinton.

[Yeti]

Lol at facebook.

I read all of this same 'omg I'm leaving the country!' shit in 2004, for all the same reasons, and all you drama queens are still here. *eyeroll to infinity.*

He's been elected President, not North Korean god king for life. Get out of the hyperbolic chamber already.

[neanderthal]

What's at stake?

*Supreme Court. If this doesn't scare you, well, fuck you. Seriously. Fuck you in the balls.
*Obamacare/ healthcare for millions. It's not perfect, but they hate it, and they're going to repeal it, even though we're still waiting for the "better plan that works for all Americans" championed by the Republicans since 2010, and I can bet you, there isn't one. There isn't half of one.
*Reproductive choice for women. Doesn't affect you, right? NBD.
*Basic rights of ALL minorities; latinos, blacks, gays, immigrants, women, etc. Doesn't affect you, right? NBD.
*Environmental protections. Nevermind the already melting North Pole, but its just regulations, right?
*"Privatisation" of Social Security? It's in the offing with these nuts.
*Elimination of Social Security? They've talked about it some of them.
*Lower corporate taxes. Trickle down in effect! See Kansas for how it works when implemented.
*Budget deficits. This is what happens when you lower corporate taxes. NOT JOBS. Hasn't happened in Kansas. Oh, btw, see Kansas for how this works.
*Cuts in social services. See Kansas.
*Cuts in education. See Kansas.
*Cuts to basic and essential services. See Kansas. Cuts to parks, libraries, funds for snow clearing, etc etc etc. There's a litany of things I can sub list here.


I can go on and on and on about what's at stake. NBD though. Don't affect you.

[G'day Mate]

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/160829_a20072-1000.jpg

[drew]

With all due respect, if you think this election/result is like any other before it, I'm afraid you may be naive.

A man, who tweets shit at 3am about SNL being shit, because they made fun of him, has NO business being the "face and voice" of America.

How long until he gets into a twitter war with another leader? What do you think the outcome will be of that?

This is an extremely dangerous, unhinged man, with a nearly psychotic level of narcissism. Add power to that, and yes, it scares the living fuck out of me.

Then there's the republicans holding all the reins for the three parts. The people that created Trump.

[SportWagon]

I had something complicated to say, but now I see that Clinton won the popular vote by a somewhat slim margin. The system does seem counter-intuitive. I wonder if reporters will be able to get Trump to philosophize about that.

Perhaps it's too bad the FBI never at any point managed to invalidate Clinton's candidacy. (And if Trump gets her convicted, won't that make the election results somehow invalid?) But, in addition to that meddling, the fact the system was rigged in Trump's favo[u]r needs to be examined.

[Yeti]

In 2008, members of this community were straight facedly suggesting that Bush Jr (the literally Hitler of his day) was somehow going to sidestep the constitution and the other branches of govt to declare himself ruler for life so he could murder the entire Middle East and other horrible things. And because of that they had to get out before the brimstone came.

And all that totally happened.

So forgive me for not taking the sperging that happens in this community when political shifts happen totally seriously :lol:

I mean I'm really disgusted at the outcome of all this, but jfc...

[The359]

Pretty certain that no one here said that. Ever.

[Yeti]

I can't produce a screen cap, but people did suggest the Iraq war would be used as an excuse for Bush to extend his rule in 08.

But fine, I won't laugh at the screaming anymore. Were on the same 8-year cycle that's been going on since the mid 1980s and people are reacting the same way I remember them doing last time an outsider moron under the R banner won. But very little has actually changed.

[The359]

Generally, all first-term presidentd are trying to extend their rule....to a second-term.

[Yeti]

Yeah I meant in 08 on that one. My bad.

[MR2 Fan]

Yes, W. Bush had an aide who was trying to convince people to let him remain president for longer than his 2 terms.

Anyway, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE there will be such a shit-show in the next 4 years that the morons who are too lazy to vote will finally realize they can stop this shit from happening...and assuming the Dems actually provide a viable candidate and not Hillary AGAIN.


I do wonder how the stock market will change on this...meaning which stocks may go up due to Trump's crazy policy ideas...if we're doomed, might as well try to make money in the meantime

[Rikadyn]

Fuck 4 years people, Mid Terms are in 18.

[The359]

You know, it's been bugging me all day. In his victory speech, he discussed how we're going to rebuild America by building roads and bridges and infrastructure and stuff, yet he himself is proud that he has not paid federal taxes. Do people not realize the cost burden of building that infastructure falls on you, since Mr. Trump doesn't feel the need to contribute?

[Rikadyn]

Yes and no. People who actually follow his ideas, think that the lower class (which consists of only the minorities) is why we are in the situation we're in. They don't realise that most of them too are in the lower class as well when compared to those who hold power in this country. So the rhetoric will be that if the entitlements are cut to the lower class then there will be more for everyone else, and people will eat it up...then continue to complain about the minorities when nothing improves in their lives. See Kansas.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Were there bunch of 'hillaries' running for senate as well?

I find that more shocking than losing the White House!

DNC's performance was that bad across the board?

Paul Ryan's right that trump has surprised everyone with regard to his ability to see and connect with people in ways that none in the current political establishment saw...

I think Americans are just generally angry... That they are struggling to put bread on the table, yet DNC is fighting to put in more transgender bathrooms. Of course there's nothing wrong with helping minority but lesson learned is you can't ignore the majority.

Anyway, I suspect Trump support will quickly fade if he failed to deliver... Most voted against establishment rather than Trump himself. Heard over the radio on the way home that some undecided voters intended to skip, but last minute decided to go Trump believing that Hillary's gonna win...

[Rikadyn]

Hillary's campaign ate all the funds that she was suppose to be able to deliver to down ticket candidates.

[Leon]

For what it is worth, Trump is largely considered outside the USA as a complete utter nutjob, and we're fair widdling ourselves at the idea of anyone this crazy being in charge of anything.

He is seriously a ten year backward step in thinking.

[Cam]

Ten? You mean 40. :|

[Leon]

From the leader of one of the major political parties in NZ




Through the course of the campaign, Mr Trump did not look like the candidate who best represented the values we hold dear as New Zealanders.
We believe in treating people fairly and with dignity. We show respect and kindness towards those we live alongside as neighbours - regardless of their gender, race or ethnicity.
These are values which unite us as a peaceful and welcoming country. They are qualities we are rightfully proud of.
Donald Trump was shown on a number of occasions to fall below the standards we as New Zealanders – and I, as a potential Prime Minister – would expect from someone running for public office.
In fact, he often fell below the standard of decency I would expect from a fellow human being.

[Leon]

Ten? You mean 40. :|

I was trying not to be too inflammatory.

hah, what a post to have as my 666'th post here .... seems apt.

[Yw-slayer]

Aren't you worried about what you say online about the Fuhrer? Seriously, US Immigration is hard enough to get through, and the CIA is probably the most advanced spy agency in the world.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Interesting, now folks are protesting trump victory... I was expecting this when trump loses... Guess nothing is as expected anymore...

[Yw-slayer]

Interesting, now folks are protesting trump victory... I was expecting this when trump loses... Guess nothing is as expected anymore...

They had better protest now. They won't be able to complain about it after the Waffen-Schutz Staffel are established.

[Rikadyn]

For what it is worth, Trump is largely considered outside the USA as a complete utter nutjob, and we're fair widdling ourselves at the idea of anyone this crazy being in charge of anything.

He is seriously a ten year backward step in thinking.

I dunno, you have national front cheering, Putin is happy, duterte changed his tune. I'm sure orban and his ilk are welcoming it...

[Tom Servo]

It was really weird here in Los Angeles. Felt like one of those days that's right around a big holiday (like, say, Dec. 26th). Light traffic, nobody thumping their stereos, people walking together weren't talking. Just quiet.

On the other hand, it was hot as balls and nice and clear. The ride in to work was actually kinda nice. The winds had cleared things out and I had a beautiful view of Mt. Wilson as I headed down Venice Blvd. Kinda put things into perspective, at least a little bit.

Went to a local sports bar for lunch because why not. I was not the only one that had that idea. The place was packed. I see how we're coping.

My work is, expectedly, freaking out. We are an ultra-liberal media company after all. On the plus side, it also meant that we had our highest web traffic day ever. By a big margin. Today was actually quite lucrative for us.

So, there's that.

[The359]

The US Post Office is currently very gloom and doom. Lot of people discussing privatization.

[Tom Servo]

Well, supposedly one of the greatest things about American democracy is that it's resistance to tyrannical overlords is legendary. We now get to put that to the test.

I hope that my feelings of doom and gloom are akin to people being afraid that Obama was going to come and take their guns. That my fears are overblown, that I'm influenced by the media I consume. I hope it turns out he's actually a good president. Stranger things have happened.

But what I really hope is that he's still the democrat he was a few years ago and has duped the fuck out of everyone.

[G'day Mate]

Trump will just help himself and move on, and hopefully nothing too international happens in the next four years.

[Godson]

Well, supposedly one of the greatest things about American democracy is that it's resistance to tyrannical overlords is legendary. We now get to put that to the test.

I hope that my feelings of doom and gloom are akin to people being afraid that Obama was going to come and take their guns. That my fears are overblown, that I'm influenced by the media I consume. I hope it turns out he's actually a good president. Stranger things have happened.

But what I really hope is that he's still the democrat he was a few years ago and has duped the fuck out of everyone.

I'm still kinda hoping he Rick rolls everyone.

His complete step back on his prior comments about islams is a start. He had talked about having all of them registered. It's not even on his website now. Makes a person wonder.

[Leon]

"Immigration marketing manager Greg Forsythe said during the 24 hours to 9am the Immigration New Zealand (INZ) website received 56,300 visits from the United States – compared to a usual daily average of 2300 visits. That's an increase of 54,000 visits.

In the same 24-hour period the New Zealand Now website - which contains information about living, working, studying and investing in New Zealand - received 70,500 visits from the United States compared to a usual daily average of 1,500 visits, Forsythe said."

[neanderthal]

They're managing him into "Presidential material" and going to continually impress upon him and extol the Republican agenda.


Woe is us.

[GB]

For the past year or so all I've been hearing over my support of a 3rd Party candidate was, "Do you WANT Hillary to be President?? Because voting 3rd Party is how you get Hillary as President".

Now that it's over, Hillary supporters are blaming 3rd Party voters for getting TRUMP elected. Make up your fucking minds.

In an election, no matter who loses, it's always nobody's fault but their own.

[MR2 Fan]

I have no idea how this is going to play out....it seems to me that Trump has always been about one thing and one thing only....himself.

I also don't see him as a GOP candidate as much as a protest candidate in a way to use the anger on the GOP side to his advantage and it has worked beyond his greatest expectations.

I feel like all we can hope for now is more stagnation in congress but that is just domestically.

I seriously have no idea (and I don't believe he does either) about what specific plans he has for the country.

The other scary part is even if something somehow happens to him, due to ill health or something, his vice president is just as looney!

[Alan P]

I have no idea how this is going to play out....it seems to me that Trump has always been about one thing and one thing only....himself.

I also don't see him as a GOP candidate as much as a protest candidate in a way to use the anger on the GOP side to his advantage and it has worked beyond his greatest expectations.

I feel like all we can hope for now is more stagnation in congress but that is just domestically.

I seriously have no idea (and I don't believe he does either) about what specific plans he has for the country.

The other scary part is even if something somehow happens to him, due to ill health or something, his vice president is just as looney!

I can't wait for the 'fund research into a gay cure' bill to go before congress. The sad thing is there are some religious nut jobs in there so it will likely get dozens of votes.

[21Kid]

There were a lot of reported hate crimes here in the days and weeks after the Brexit vote.

It's not exactly the same thing, so I hope that doesn't happen in the US, but it seems like a risk unfortunately.


Part of me is fascinated to discover what Trump will actually *do* as president, given how vacuous and vague his "policies" have been to date.There have already been sightings of KKK celebrating, swastikas painted on buildings, and kids being told that they are going to get deported by fellow classmates.

I wondering if I should even bother paying taxes now, since apparently that's the smart thing to do. :/

Apparently he's already changed his stance on abortion, which is good. Although it's 1/2 the reason christians probably voted for him. :o What, he lied? OMG, who would have seen that coming. LOL. The other 1/2 is his anti-LGBT position, which I'm sure he'll change as well. He used to support marriage equality. I'm sure he just lied to them to get their vote.

He's probably been the least christian candidate ever. Just goes to show how close most of them hold their values. :smh:

[Freude am Fahren]

For the past year or so all I've been hearing over my support of a 3rd Party candidate was, "Do you WANT Hillary to be President?? Because voting 3rd Party is how you get Hillary as President".

Now that it's over, Hillary supporters are blaming 3rd Party voters for getting TRUMP elected. Make up your fucking minds.

In an election, no matter who loses, it's always nobody's fault but their own.

Where did you hear that? I have only ever heard a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump.

[Alan P]

From what I've seen, Democrat turnout was way down compared to Obama. It amazes me how blinkered and plain ignorant the DNC have been/were. Did they honestly think that anyone could defeat 'The Donald' regardless of how vilified she was by some members of their own party? Party members, rather than voting for her or The Donald, simply didn't vote.

I wonder who, if anyone in the DNC will take the blame, because by the looks and sounds of it, they're going to have a very rough time of it for two years at least.

[Tom Servo]

"Immigration marketing manager Greg Forsythe said during the 24 hours to 9am the Immigration New Zealand (INZ) website received 56,300 visits from the United States – compared to a usual daily average of 2300 visits. That's an increase of 54,000 visits.

In the same 24-hour period the New Zealand Now website - which contains information about living, working, studying and investing in New Zealand - received 70,500 visits from the United States compared to a usual daily average of 1,500 visits, Forsythe said."

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00000QhFPK8gasA/s/750/750/flight-of-the-conchords-sheep1.jpg

[Crazed_Insanity]

Where did you hear that? I have only ever heard a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump.
I've heard each side made the same complaint about voting 3rd party.

IMHO, Bernie or bust folks should go for Jill and trump hating conservatives should go for Gary.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I wonder who, if anyone in the DNC will take the blame, because by the looks and sounds of it, they're going to have a very rough time of it for two years at least.

Naturally Hillary should take the blame. She and Obama are the highest profile democrat, but feels like there must be some mastermind behind the scene strategizing all this... Maybe Podesta?

It'll be a real shame to see Obamas great accomplishments dismantled by Trump, particularly obamacare. However, I find it difficult to believe the RNC can survive for more than 4 years by taking benefits away without replacing it with something better.

Anyway, the orange silver lining is that our catering to the rich political establishment has been completely crushed! Hope our future politicians learned the lesson.

[Kchrpm]

But who will be catered to now? Trump has run on a campaign of promising to put the middle class first, second, and third, at the expense of the elite (himself) and the poor (who he has promised he can make middle class). Let's see what he actually does.

[neanderthal]

From what I've seen, Democrat turnout was way down compared to Obama. It amazes me how blinkered and plain ignorant the DNC have been/were. Did they honestly think that anyone could defeat 'The Donald' regardless of how vilified she was by some members of their own party? Party members, rather than voting for her or The Donald, simply didn't vote.

I wonder who, if anyone in the DNC will take the blame, because by the looks and sounds of it, they're going to have a very rough time of it for two years at least.

Not to mention the appalling advertising/ marketing in the run up to the elections.

WORST. CONGRESS. EVER should have been emblazoned in every single candidates materials. Especially in those rust belt states and highly conservative areas where they could ave explained the GOPs gubernatorial shortcomings very briefly. Kansas. Wisconsin. etc. They failed to utilise the American publics anger to drive out the vote.

[Crazed_Insanity]

But who will be catered to now? Trump has run on a campaign of promising to put the middle class first, second, and third, at the expense of the elite (himself) and the poor (who he has promised he can make middle class). Let's see what he actually does.

My suspicion is that he will cater to himself first. Can't blame him for that cause everyone's interested in self interests..., let's just hope he remembers that in order to protect his self interests, he also has to look after the interests of American people. If the economy really improves and people actually feel richer... instead of the government generated figures showing that we're fine, then maybe he can serve 2 terms. Otherwise most likely he'll be a 1 termer prez. I just can't believe he can actually deliver any of his promises... such as locking Hillary up. He's not going to deliver on that...

Most important issue is the voters' pockets.

If the US economy really improves, it'd only be because Trump got lucky, but still, that will be enough to get him re-elected I suppose. Chances are, he's not going to last more than 4 years... this is kind of a dejavu for us Californians... Arnold the Terminator started a total recall on a boring uninspiring Democratic governor..., yeah, we had the governator for a while, but our state government's trouble is just too much for the governator... and he left the office unpopular...

Let's see if Trump really has the brain... or at least hire the right people to get the job done.

[Kchrpm]

Hmm...I guess the Governator is a relatively close comparison.

Trump having the House and Senate majority on his side will be an important part of this. Whoever he elects for the Supreme Court is likely going to go through without issue, for example.

[drew]

But who will be catered to now? Trump has run on a campaign of promising to put the middle class first, second, and third, at the expense of the elite (himself) and the poor (who he has promised he can make middle class). Let's see what he actually does.

Nothing. Absolutely fuckall nothing. I sincerely believe that his supporters will be very very disappointed when he delivers nothing that he promised.

Trump looks out for one thing, Trump.

I really hope I'm wrong, I honestly do. But, the evidence points the wrong way for that. Everything he's said/done, is for him. He got his crown and will be King of America in a couple months. I can't imagine there's any more ambition or involvement past that with him. He got his crown, that's what he was after, and he said anything and everything people wanted to hear to get there.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Trump's America, Day One.

[Crazed_Insanity]

People are emotional and do stupid things.

Protesters at downtown LA vandalized stores and walked on to freeway...

There are stupid people on both sides..., but it doesn't mean we're all stupid.

Time for healing. Enough of this partisan politics...

[21Kid]

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Trump's America, Day One.

:( That is really sad.

[Tom Servo]

It would appear the whole section about banning Muslims from entering the country has been removed from Trump's website. So, there's the first campaign promise that apparently is out the window. Not that I'm sad to see it go, but it sure didn't take long for a campaign promise to go away.

[SportWagon]

It is still in the webarchive (wayback machine as used to be)?

https://archive.org/web/

[drew]

It would appear the whole section about banning Muslims from entering the country has been removed from Trump's website. So, there's the first campaign promise that apparently is out the window. Not that I'm sad to see it go, but it sure didn't take long for a campaign promise to go away.

Half of those promises were just pandering to the racists. The wall, Muslim ban, stop and frisk, all BS "promises" to bring them out. All three of which were unconstitutional and/or just downright ridiculous they'd ever happen. I honestly believe he never had any intention of doing any of those things (or anything else for that matter).

Like I said, he spouted off shit to get the crown.

Now he has it, and he'll be king nothing.

The promises his supports will really be let down with, are the jobs/etc. Which, like every other "great" thing he has planned, he has no plan for.

[Crazed_Insanity]

http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/the-one-scenario-that-could-still-get-hillary-into-the-white-house/

Hmm..., maybe Hillary still has a chance?

Had the same hope for Bernie during the primary with those super-delegates, but of course that never materialize...

If this does happen for Hillary, I suppose there might be more than just protests, another civil war might broke out!

[speedpimp]

Let's see if he keeps to his plans for term limits.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938354_10154116190996847_3264241463543746809_n.j pg?oh=577be3765f01abfcb64fccf31c4f7b27&oe=58CF2A37

[neanderthal]

People are emotional and do stupid things.

Protesters at downtown LA vandalized stores and walked on to freeway...

There are stupid people on both sides..., but it doesn't mean we're all stupid.

Time for healing. Enough of this partisan politics...

You say this, but when racist, sexist Trump starts enacting his agenda and starts rolling back protections for gay people, handicapped people, people who couldn't afford health insurance, voting rights, environmental legislation etc, where will you be? Because you're mostly going to be unaffected by all of the above. In fact, most people on this board will be mostly unaffected. And, sitting on the sidelines is exactly how Trump came to power. Something like 50% of people didn't vote.

You think the civil rights movement was enacted by people quietly going home and leaving the status quo? Or anything else we've fought for as a society?

This is not the time for healing. This is the time for outright war. War on the people and mindset that think its ok to call Mexicans rapists. Ban Muslims. Mock disabled people. Etc. And every single motherfucker that voted for Trump was implicitly backing that shit!

I will have no problem calling them out, how they backed the champion of racism, sexism, xenophobia etc. That's fucking despicable.

[Tom Servo]

Also of note. Gingrich has already started talking the way out of the border wall plan ("He'll spend a lot of time controlling the border. He may not spend very much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it, but it was a great campaign device.") and Giuliani and Christie are already saying that, yeah, there's no actual plan to "lock her up."

I don't backpedal this hard when I'm trying to avoid clipping out at a red light.

[FaultyMario]

It amazes me how blinkered and plain ignorant the DNC have been/were.

Some people make more money losing than winning.

For all this talk of Michelle Obama or Sanders 2020, what you guys need is a Lawrence Lessig type.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Neaderthal, are you sure you want to declare war on people's words and thoughts?

Law and order will still be kept. Neo-nazis and KKK committing actual hate crimes will be apprehended. Likewise liberal trouble makers who vandalized storefronts and cause traffic to stand still on freeways will also be arrested.

I think the main lesson learned here is that it is fine to fight for gay, transgender, minority, (non-Christian) religious rights, but if you ignore the basic needs of regular middle class working white folks, you are going to get some backlash.

There has to be a balance in between.

Yes, historically white men were the assholes, abusing the american indians, africans, other colored races, women,... ; however, when they feel their rights are infringed upon, they will also declare war on that.

The thing is America will never be great again if we continue on declaring wars on each other.

Outcome of this 'war' has been delivered on Tuesday. I say it's time to surrender and start to work together to regroup... so that people can come together to fight another day(on election day).

[SportWagon]

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.donaldjtrump.com/

Saved 3,084 times between November 12, 2007 and November 11, 2016.

[Rikadyn]

Yes, historically white men were the assholes, abusing the american indians, africans, other colored races, women,... ; however, when they feel their rights are infringed upon, they will also declare war on that.

The thing is America will never be great again if we continue on declaring wars on each other.

Equality looks like oppression when you're used to privilege.

America was never great.

and Fuck you, you fucking apologist cock sucking piece of shit. How you like them fucking words?

[FaultyMario]

Fuck you, you fucking apologist cock sucking piece of shit. How you like them fucking words?

Saved for posterity.

[Yw-slayer]

Neo-nazis and KKK committing actual hate crimes will be apprehended.

:lol:

[Tom Servo]

That was a pretty crazy statement. Ignoring the plights of the middle class white man. I'm upper-middle class to be sure, but you know what? Despite Obama's presidency, I've got it pretty fucking good. I've always had it pretty fucking good. Hell, 44 of 45 presidents have been white men, so I'm pretty well represented.

I'll let someone else more eloquent than me lay it out for ya.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87LGmm1M5Is

[Crazed_Insanity]

Equality looks like oppression when you're used to privilege.

America was never great.

and Fuck you, you fucking apologist cock sucking piece of shit. How you like them fucking words?

You and Trump both sound like sore losers.

Is it because you got white genes that you just cannot accept a loss and move on? (Actually I'm just assuming you're white)

Tell me, what do you guys plan to do to overthrow the new government?

That loser is already backtracking from one promise to another... From locking her up to the Muslim ban... Why not just wait and see what he's going to do before you protest or declare war?

[Yw-slayer]

That loser is already backtracking from one promise to another... From locking her up to the Muslim ban... Why not just wait and see what he's going to do before you protest or declare war?

More proof that he's just a lying cunt. Although I suppose in this case that's good.

[Godson]

What was the altercation where cos were escorting a group of people and a bunch of nutjobs were ready to shoot these cops. It was like 2-4 years ago.

[Crazed_Insanity]

More proof that he's just a lying cunt. Although I suppose in this case that's good.

The dude is a New Yorker and had been a liberal in the past. I highly suspect he's a liberal beneath conservative clothing.

Why not wait until he does something stupid before protesting? Wait and see and chill for now...

[Jason]

While I fully expect Trump to walk back a lot of his rhetoric, I'm actually more worried about Republican control of Congress, the upcoming SCOTUS seats, and what Mike Pence will push. There's a whole lot of old school GOP in power right now, and I expect that Obamacare will be overturned as quickly as possible (likely via small measures, since they don't have 60 in the Senate), and they'll go after abortion and gay marriage rights. Also there's a lot of people in power who are in favor of a tax system that would end up gutting much of our social services (they won't touch defense).

It's gonna be a rough 4 years, and not really because of what Trump says, but because of what Republicans do.

[JoshInKC]

Well, because he was elected on a platform of racist & fascist nationalism. This needs to be smothered in the cradle.
Now, my politics are likely pretty far to the left of most people on this board, enough so that I consider Bernie to be too right-wing. But I voted for Hillary - because I consider one of the most important aspects of my politics (and achieving social progress) to be the utter defeat of fascist forces. I can't ignore the current and near-future suffering inflicted on minorities of all stripes that has been encouraged and explicitly endorsed by this president elect, therefore I must show solidarity with them by at the bare minimum, letting them (and the opposing forces) know that this shit will not go unchallenged, and that there are people out here willing to go to bat against it.

[Kchrpm]

Billi -
It's not just the overt "hate crimes" that are a problem. It's the mental and physical intimidation that comes from racists and the like that feel that, since a man said these things on national TV and became president, they can and should shout them loudly and proudly at anyone they see.

It's about the kids getting on the school bus whose classmates tell them that they should sit at the back now.

It's the gay and lesbian couples receiving notes from their neighbors saying that their marriage will soon be considered invalid, and that they will burn in hell.

It's the black people all over, young, middle aged and old, being called nigger while pumping their gas, going to school, or even offering food to a struggling white family (the father had only enough to buy food for himself; my friend's boyfriend bought and offered something for the child, to which the father said "I don't need your help, nigger").

It's the flyers being left on cars by the Ku Klux Klan saying that they are recruiting.

It's the swastikas and Nazi rhetoric in graffiti.

These are all things I saw, some with pictures, in the last two days on Facebook. Will Donald Trump come out and tell these people that it has to stop? Or will he silently acknowledge that these people put him in office and so that they could do all these things, and will continue to let them do so?

[21Kid]

Well, the onus is completely on the GOP now. Since they control everything, lets see what they do with it.

FACT CHECK: Donald Trump's First 100 Days Action Plan (http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501597652/fact-check-donald-trumps-first-100-days-action-plan)

[Jason]

"The 2018 United States elections will be held mostly on Tuesday, November 6, 2018. During this mid-term election year, all 435 seats in the United States House of Representatives and 33 of the 100 seats in the United States Senate will be contested. 38 state and territorial governorships and numerous other state and local elections will also be contested."

There's a lot at play in 2018 on paper.

Unfortunately, imo, the House of Representatives is lost to conservative control forever. The way districts have been redrawn over the years, and the fact that most of land in the US is conservative country means little will change there. Most of the Senate seats up for grabs are current Democratic holdings, with only two Republican seats being in 'swing' states. Little change Senate control we be retaken. There's a handful of opportunities to make some changes in terms of Gubernatorial seats, but that would have a limited impact on the federal level.

Settle in, progressives. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

[21Kid]

Trump's transition team is full of DC insiders
To shape his administration, President-elect Donald Trump is drawing squarely from the "swamp" he has pledged to drain.


If you vote for a lying sack of shit... you reap what you sow.

[Jason]

I think realistically, it's impossible to get away from it. Not saying this defend Trump, it's just the way it is. The Presidency is an impossibly large job, and one would have to lean on people that have been around to do it effectively. If he pulled in a bunch of idiots with no experience, things could go incredibly wrong, and not just from a policy level. I feel like Obama went through some of the same stuff... campaigned heavily on change, and the what not, but when he got into office, he realized he had to play ball within 'swamp'.

[Tom Servo]

Totally agree. It's why that axiom in almost everything, that it's more who you know than what you know. I know that since my first job in this industry, I've gotten every other job via connections I made. I've also recommended people for hire that I've worked with in the past. If you've worked with someone and know that they're good, why take the shot on interviewing some unknown only to find out they suck?

However, Trump and his supporters have been throwing shitfits about "cronyism" for months now. I don't mind the way he's picking people, I mind that he's a fucking hypocrite.

[Crazed_Insanity]

These are all things I saw, some with pictures, in the last two days on Facebook. Will Donald Trump come out and tell these people that it has to stop? Or will he silently acknowledge that these people put him in office and so that they could do all these things, and will continue to let them do so?

Things you saw just might be deceiving you... Such as some guy in SF rose a nazi flag for political statement while not being a nazi nor a trump supporter. I'm also willing to bet some of those hateful graffitis might've been created by frustrated Clinton supporters...

Now, it is true trump tapped into the anger, negative part of frustrated voters. However, this land still has laws... And RNC will NOT be able to repeal everything!

I agree with the sentiment that a conservative congress and Supreme Court are more worrisome... And I'm actually hoping Trump to be a complete hypocrit so that he can be the chk and balance...

Anyway, bottom line is that do you guys still believe in smooth transition of power... Or are you guys beginning to appreciate our founding fathers gave us the right to bear arms to kick the ass of our sorry govt? ;)

[Tom Servo]

I'm not like former Congressman Joe Walsh who said that if Clinton won on the 8th that on the 9th he'd be "grabbing his musket" and asking who would be with him, then on the 9th said "These anti-Trump cry-babies need to accept the election results and show respect!"

So of course I believe in the smooth transition of power. In fact, I haven't seen anyone who isn't a Trump supporter advocate for an armed revolution if their candidate didn't win.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Therefore, frankly, I'm actually a bit 'relieved' that Trump didn't lose.

I'm not so sure Hillary can live up to become another Lincoln when the 2nd civil war breaks out.

Not sure if it's any consolation, but I really believe in the end, the conservative voters will become angrier at Trump than you guys... given the rate of him giving up campaign promises... his only saving grace is that he gets lucky and US economy improves.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Well, because he was elected on a platform of racist & fascist nationalism. This needs to be smothered in the cradle.
Now, my politics are likely pretty far to the left of most people on this board, enough so that I consider Bernie to be too right-wing. But I voted for Hillary - because I consider one of the most important aspects of my politics (and achieving social progress) to be the utter defeat of fascist forces. I can't ignore the current and near-future suffering inflicted on minorities of all stripes that has been encouraged and explicitly endorsed by this president elect, therefore I must show solidarity with them by at the bare minimum, letting them (and the opposing forces) know that this shit will not go unchallenged, and that there are people out here willing to go to bat against it.

Josh, the American people have voted and it's a pretty even split.

Congress and supreme court are not without liberals nor is Bernie Sanders dead yet. Let them be the opposing forces for now.

If the conservatives really do something stupid, then it makes sense to protest against that specific issue.

I really don't think it's wise to protest against election results when he won it fair and square according to existing rules.

The other option is to petition your state to leave the union. I think we can pretty safely and easily split the west coast... I don't know which state you're living in... Anyway, considering how polarizing we are now... maybe it is time for the United States to quit continuing to be a bunch of hypocrites... because we are definitely NOT united at all.

[Kchrpm]

Things you saw just might be deceiving you... Such as some guy in SF rose a nazi flag for political statement while not being a nazi nor a trump supporter. I'm also willing to bet some of those hateful graffitis might've been created by frustrated Clinton supporters...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-election-hate-crimes-and-fears-trnd/

It's not about questioning the transition of power. It's concern for the the state of our country and the physical and safety of minorities and LGBTQ within it. Trying to pretend these things aren't happening is just ignorant for you to do, but it's damaging for Donald Trump to do.

[Crazed_Insanity]

So what do you propose to do about this?

BTW, CNN is really good. Wouldn't cover Bernie Sanders during the primary, but now is covering all the hate crimes to generate more polarization... Do you really want to trust CNN just like the conservatives trust in FOX? Yeah, according to FOX, all liberals are probably devils... and according to CNN, all conservatives are hateful bigoted dumb ass deplorables and they're ruling the country. Can you live with that? Well, had you mutherfoquers worked on helping Sanders' bid then maybe all of this could've been avoided! Assholes!!!!

But seriously, what do you propose American people should do about the Trump win?

Do you really believe the police will also turn blind eye on hate crimes because to them only white lives mattered?

That black lives really truly mattered during Obama Admin, but now Trump Admin has all of a sudden reversed course?

Give humanity some time dude. Dr. King's dream will become true one day, but obviously not today.

Humanity sucks sometimes, but we're not all bad. There's always hope. There will be the occasional market crashes, but overall, stock market index usually improves. Likewise, over time, USA is improving socially. That dream will be realized one day.

[Kchrpm]

So what do you propose to do about this?
We do the same thing Donald Trump should do: accept that these things are really happening, but denounce them. Don't say "oh it's just a few people out there, it's not significant," but also don't think it's everyone. We need confirmation that these elements are just that, FRINGE, and that neither Donald Trump nor 99.9999% of the rest of America supports that kind of thinking. I'm not saying we should go to war with those people or go on the hunt for them, but we should establish the fact that hateful speech and acts are not part of the America or the world we're trying to build. Is it going to happen? Of course. But we shouldn't condone it or completely ignore it, we should shine a light on it as an example of what we're trying to fix.

[Crazed_Insanity]

That's cool.

BTW, I hope you don't really think that I condone those hateful acts?

However, I do propose we ignore them.

As Dr. King said, you can't fight hate with hate.

I also do not believe all who voted for Trump are hateful bigots.

Surely some of what CNN reported can be concerning, but I'm also sure a lot were probably stupid political statements made by liberals or just kids being fucking stupid. Now, I'm not denying the existence of neo-nazi or KKK folks, but as long as they don't actually do anything harmful, I don't really care about them.

Ignore feature is a powerful tool. Not only does it help you feel better, but you also give "it" less attention. We already gave Trump too much fucking attention.. that's how he got elected at half the cost of Hillary's campaign!!!

[Kchrpm]

It's not a binary choice between ignoring them and hating them. You shine a lot on them, you say "this is wrong, this is not who we should be or how we should be."

"As long as they don't do anything harmful" ignores the fact that painting huge fucking signs in public areas that threaten the civility and safety of people IS harmful! You can't just sit on the sideline, pretend that what they're doing isn't a problem and expect it to just go away. Why would it go away? Why would it not grow in those communities? They've seen a president that was elected after saying some version of it, and if he's going to come out and speak against it, why would it stop?

Put another way, if you're a young white Trump supporter, and the Ku Klux Klan comes to recruit you, why WOULDN'T you join? THAT is why you can't just ignore it, THAT is why you can't just pretend it's ok until there's physical violence, you have to make it clear to people that there is a huge divide between "I support Donald Trump" and "I am a white supremacist" or any other type of rampant hate monger. Donald Trump needs to make that clear, and so do all of we.

Right now that isn't clear. And you have to imagine that for young children, especially minorities, it's really fucking scary.

[21Kid]

Day 1 In Trump's America (https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Kchrpm, why?

Because while we are emotional beings, our brains are also capable rational reasoning! Yes, even folks like me and conservatives... , I believe they can tell what's right from wrong... In due time.

Just like I don't believe stock markets will all crash to 0 and never rise again. Humanity cannot be that bad and dumb forever.

[Kchrpm]

I'm not talking about you, or conservatives, I'm talking about kids. I'm talking about the people are figuring out who they are, what they want to be, what the world is and what they want the world to be.

We have just shown them that you can say horrible things about people and brag about assaulting women, but still be given the most powerful position in the world.

We don't want to also show them that hateful speech and rhetoric is OK and should just be quietly accepted. That's how those things are passed down in society. Kids copy what it is they see, unless someone tells them it's wrong and should not be copied (and sometimes even then).

Humanity can be dumb forever if it refuses to learn from its mistakes, instead pretending they don't exist.

[Cam]

The roofing man called us a sewer of communists today. :lol:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Kchrpm, if you're talking about your own kids, then of course I'm completely with you.

Unless if I'm a teacher or if somebody else's kid is visiting me on MY property, then I will go ahead and verbally scold the kid and try to correct his inappropriate behavior. If he refuse to listen, I might even consider physically abusing the kid into submission... if we don't correct kids while they're young, they'll probably never be corrected...

So for those adults already failed to be corrected, it's really not that wise to try to teach those folks any more lessons. Your 'light' won't be very effective in correcting anybody... just as the religious might try to shine the light of the bible on you..., but that didn't work either, right?

You just can't reason with anyone who's at the moment emotional. You'll only stir up further emotions that end up to be counter-productive.

Anyway, you do what you 'feel' is right, I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. It's just that human brain is freaking complicated piece of machinery to deal with...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Back to real politics...

I hope the DNC will truly transform after this embarrassing defeat.

DNC establishment has been ignoring the middle class for far too long... mostly focusing on the needs of NY bankers and SF techies. They forgot why the founding fathers created the electoral college system..., which was designed to prevent the politicians from ignoring the smaller rural states. The commoners.

Tom Servo, imagine one day the tech industry in a decline because AI has taken over coder jobs. When you are struggling to put food on the table for your wife and kid, would you care about transgender bathrooms? What happens to black lives or muslim lives or mexican lives or any other lives?

Not saying social responsibility isn't important, but our own family's welfare will for sure take precedent over all other. That doesn't necessarily means that you are a hateful white supremacist...

Anyway, if the DNC doesn't switch their leadership to the likes of Sanders and Warren... and start to figure out how to win seats in states with fewer electoral votes... RNC will continue on occupying Congress... and every year will be the worst congress EVER!

One can only blame the hateful bigots for so long... DNC lost because they made a serious strategic error. If they don't correct their errors, we will end up with a single party system.

[Kchrpm]

It amazes me how little you understand.

I'm talking about kids seeing adults do hateful things, having no one tell them its wrong, and then thinking it will be ok for them to do hateful things in the future.

It's funny how everyone claims that everyone else has ignored the middle class. The middle class is the largest and loudest group in America. They cannot be and are not ignored. You can't please all of them, because they are asking for different things that conflict with each other. They are asking for less construction/manufacturing regulations and safer workplaces and neighborhoods. They want better schools and lower taxes. Etc.

[21Kid]

That's why I gave up trying to talk to him Keith. It's almost as he's trying to be daft on purpose.



I don't understand how so many people don't seem to care about our future, or their children's future. :(
I wish we had a constitutional amendment such as the Great Law of the Iroquois.

"In every deliberation, we must consider the impact on the seventh generation... even if it requires having skin as thick as the bark of a pine."

[Crazed_Insanity]

Okay K, it's obvious now that I'm the one with little understanding. Go teach and raise other people's kids! Good luck!

AND GO DNC and Hillary! And I guess the best I can do now is pray that Trump and the republican congress die soon?

Be honest here.

Was Hillary Clinton and the DNC closer to the bankers and the techies... or the rural white america?

DNC sabotage Sanders' bid should be indicative of which side the DNC was on. Loudness of the middle america was ignored.

Trump took advantage of DNC's misstep.

Anyway, I think I'm going to bow out of this thread now. I don't think my 'light' has any effect anyways... you guys enjoy! :)

[samoht]

In his first three days since winning, President-elect Trump has
* made a priority of calling Park Geun-Hye to reassure her that the US would not, in fact, be resiling from protecting S Korea
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-says-us-will-maintain-strong-firm-defence-posture-defend-south-korea-1590801
* said that he actually likes two main parts of Obamacare very much (coverage of pre-existing conditions & covering children on parents' insurance)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37953528

hmmm... watch this space, I guess.

[Rikadyn]

In his first three days since winning, President-elect Trump has
* made a priority of calling Park Geun-Hye to reassure her that the US would not, in fact, be resiling from protecting S Korea
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-says-us-will-maintain-strong-firm-defence-posture-defend-south-korea-1590801
* said that he actually likes two main parts of Obamacare very much (coverage of pre-existing conditions & covering children on parents' insurance)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37953528

hmmm... watch this space, I guess.

Trump is the least scary part of this election right now.

[Tom Servo]

I was actually thinking that maybe part of the reason he picked Pence is as protection against anyone that might try anything. "Are you sure you want to take me down? Look who you end up with." Now I think he's basically decided to do that with his whole cabinet. "Strike me down, and my minions will run amok."

[thesameguy]

Fuck, two posts, but I wanted to share:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-democrats-screwed-up/ar-AAkbOqf?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This guy writes literally my entire position. No surprise I find it founded and well thought. Because I could have written it myself. :up:

[Kchrpm]

Okay K, it's obvious now that I'm the one with little understanding. Go teach and raise other people's kids! Good luck!

AND GO DNC and Hillary! And I guess the best I can do now is pray that Trump and the republican congress die soon?

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Nothing about hoping for people, especially Trump, to say they don't approve of hateful speech and acts. I said I want to raise people's children, and for the people I don't like to die. Great reading comprehension :up:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Fuck, two posts, but I wanted to share:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-democrats-screwed-up/ar-AAkbOqf?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

This guy writes literally my entire position. No surprise I find it founded and well thought. Because I could have written it myself. :up:

:up:

Kchrpm, I have poor writing skills and reading skills. Please ignore what I wrote earlier. Tsg's article is also what I wanted to convey.

If you still disagree, let's just agree to disagree.

I honestly hope DNC leadership will also take that article to heart and quit blaming the deplorables for their lost...

Signing out of this thread for sure now! Have a good weekend!

[Alan P]

TSG's article is on point. They wanted Hillary because it was her 'turn' and they 'owed her' after Obama. That and they really thought that anyone could win against The Donald. And it turned right round and bit them on the ass. Hard. And could remain steadfastly attached to their buttocks in two and four years time unless there's some major house cleaning. I do wonder whether those at the top will 'fall on their swords', will need pushed or will ignore all the signs, as they seem to have done the whole election, and sit quietly thinking it will all go away if they ignore it enough.

Whoever is the 2020 nominee, they'd better be the best they can muster, not just the next in line. I'm not sure Bernie would be capable but I'd love to see either Michelle (not sure if she'd be up for it and it might come across badly as 'the establishment' again) or Warren.

[TheBenior]

So I've come to the conclusion that Kim Kardashian is at least as qualified to be president as Donald Trump.

Both are primarily successful for reality TV and being 'celebrities' who make money through branding deals with their names.

Trump is worth $1.5 billion according to his FEC filling. Kim K is worth something like $150 million, and made something like $50 million in both 2014 and 2015, so her wealth is growing at a pretty good rate.

[The359]

To be fair, I knew who Trump was long before any Celebrity apprentice nonsense. I think I even recognized who he was when he was in Home Alone 2 or on Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous.

[Yw-slayer]

The roofing man called us a sewer of communists today. :lol:

Did you call him a fascist? :lol:

[neanderthal]

:up:

Kchrpm, I have poor writing skills and reading skills. Please ignore what I wrote earlier. Tsg's article is also what I wanted to convey.

If you still disagree, let's just agree to disagree.

I honestly hope DNC leadership will also take that article to heart and quit blaming the deplorables for their lost...

Signing out of this thread for sure now! Have a good weekend!

Faxinating that you claim poor writing and reading skills then align your position with lengthy article which required lots and lots of reading.

[Yw-slayer]

To be fair to him, I think he meant reading comprehension.

[neanderthal]

Yeah I thought so too.

Which would mean wordy articles do a greater number on his comprehension.

[mk]

From here and if the man doesn't push the button.

Iteresting things are how many international treaties he'll rip and how devided the parties are after a short while.

Prediction is not many and very little.

[samoht]

I was actually thinking that maybe part of the reason he picked Pence is as protection against anyone that might try anything. "Are you sure you want to take me down? Look who you end up with."

I was thinking that. Firstly, Donald Trump's main priority is always Donald Trump. He doesn't even like shaking hands for fear of catching something. So it would be totally in character for self-preservation to be his main criterion for choosing a running-mate. Secondly, he would have been 17 when Kennedy was assassinated, I reckon that risk is something he's pretty aware of. What better protection than setting things up so people know that if they kill him, he'll be replaced by someone far worse?

[drew]

Yesterday was a fucked up train wreck on FB. To the point I blocked someone I'd been friends with for 15+ years. I also deleted a post for the first time in 8 years of FB usage.

I would say it was a political discussion, but, when the other side of the debate is using "articles" from extreme right wing sites (as opposed to actual establishes news agencies (which are "liberal-biased" and slanted) (fuck's sake)), I'm just done.

There's just nothing that can be done to have a reasonable discussion with some people that are so far out, they can't even see their own irony.

People see these shit sites are "news" sources, and bite right into them, because they align perfectly with their feelings/beliefs. There's too much of it on FB, and it's appalling.


I suppose the humane thing, would be to prepare to help the Trump supporters cope with their messiah (Führer?), as he delivers nothing he "promised".

Example, his appointments to his cabinet. His kids (that know sweet fuckall), and lobbyists (and FL Atty Gen Pam Bondi, remember her?). Pay to Play anyone?

He's already backed off ACA repeal as well.

Color me shocked.

To put the future into Trumps own words. It's going to be a tremendous disaster.

So, again, fuck Trump. Buckle up, because this one is going to be a bronco ride for 4 years.


As an aside, Mk's posts always fascinate me. I wonder if you took them and put them through a 3-4 language translation cycle on babelfish, you could reverse engineer them. :)

[Tom Servo]

"Anti-LGBT all-stars showing up on Trump's transition team."

There's Ken Blackwell, a Senior Fellow at the Family Research Council. Supports measures to ban marriage equality and believes that being LGBTQ is a choice, saying "The reality is, again...that I think we make choices all the time. And I think you make good choices and bad choices in terms of lifestyle. Our expectation is that one's genetic makeup might make one more inclined to be an arsonist or might make one more inclined to be a kleptomaniac. Do I think that they can be changed? Yes."

We've also got former AG Ed Meese, a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, an organization that believes that laws protecting LGBTQ people are not "necessary" and "weaken the marriage culture and freedom of citizens and their associations to affirm their religious or moral convictions." He's also said that marriage equality "shows how the culture has deteriorated over two centuries."

And there's Kay Cole James, president and founder of the Gloucester Institute and former senior VP at the Family Research Council. Wrote a book called "Transforming American from the Inside Out" where she compared LGBTQ people to drug addicts, alcoholics, adulterers, or "anything else sinful."

[Tom Servo]

drew: There's some pride thing in me that's made me not block the person you're talking about. Like I've been able to stay friends despite his viewpoints. But you're right...he's gotten to the point where he's only dealing in conspiracy theories, and they are generally his initial premise. How are you supposed to debate with someone who starts out with a completely insane assertion and then immediately claims that any place not repeating that assertion is an untrusted source?

[drew]

Exactly. I truly did pain me to go through with it. 16+ years..... but shit man, what the fuck?



Also, fuck all three of those people you mentioned above. Fuck them all.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, I'm super close to blocking him too. I feel like I can deal with his level of crazy - it's like fighting a bull. But lately he's getting into fights with my real life friends, and my main job is to tell my friends a) why I'm friends on FB with him and b) how he's going to attempt to argue with them in the hopes that they'll just leave him to his own devices. I don't like that being my job.

[mk]

What if supporters support continues rock solidly afterwards also, no matter what.

[drew]

My sister had a go at him last week about the shit, so, I know exactly what you mean.

[speedpimp]

If Drew is referring to who I think he's referring to, that person blocked me during the last Presidential election. Heh.

[novicius]

Honestly you guys are waaay too worried about Trump.

Seriously, he's gonna serve for only 2-4 months before being impeached by this all-Republican Congress at which point we'll be plunged into Penceworld. :lol:

[speedpimp]

And you saw how well Pencistan Mk. I worked out for Indiana.