Politics

[FaultyMario]

nor 99.9999% of the rest of America supports that kind of thinking.

Way too generous.

I'd put racists/xenophobes somewhere between 10 and 20 per cent of the whole of America.
Not because of Trump support, but because there's been an institutional effort, mostly from the Rove-doctrine'd GOP, to reach out and promote that sort of shit as long as it means support for their ideologically-devoid, utilitarian policy making.

[novicius]

Yep, racism, assimilation and "melting pot" conformity politics is represented by at least 25% of the population, Keith. #obviously

[novicius]

Yeah, I'm super close to blocking him too. I feel like I can deal with his level of crazy - it's like fighting a bull. But lately he's getting into fights with my real life friends, and my main job is to tell my friends a) why I'm friends on FB with him and b) how he's going to attempt to argue with them in the hopes that they'll just leave him to his own devices. I don't like that being my job.
Yeah Roofer unfriended me after I deleted one of his inflammatory comments on my FB wall.

I do not agree with his politics but I still love the guy. I wish he had a better working filter. :(

[Jason]

Trump is handing over everything to Pence, I don't think he's going to be impeached, I just think he's going to do nothing but give speeches that the GOP establishment tell him to give. He's a good sales person, and frankly he doesn't give a damn about being POTUS, he just likes attention. He won't be 'grounded' unless he decides he actually cares about something and pushes for it.

[TheBenior]

The last time I saw Roofer, I was heartened by Josh ribbing him about his "tin foil hat."

So he'll be just fine.

[Cam]

:lol:

[SkylineObsession]

Prolly been mentioned before, but why did Wesley Snipes go to jail for avoiding tax, but Trump hasn't? Has he paid off the supreme court?

[FaultyMario]

FWIW my wife heard a woman say "if she's moving to Mexico she should at least learn the language" about a lady having a hard time explaining herself at the stationary.

So while it's a relatively high percentage of irrationality for a developed country, it is nowhere near as bad as we thirdworldies face daily.

[FaultyMario]

Prolly been mentioned before, but why did Wesley Snipes go to jail for avoiding tax, but Trump hasn't? Has he paid off the supreme court?

Probably not what they did, but how each did it.

[Jason]

Prolly been mentioned before, but why did Wesley Snipes go to jail for avoiding tax, but Trump hasn't? Has he paid off the supreme court?

AFAIK, Snipes illegally avoided taxes he actually owed. Trump used loopholes to not owe.

At least as far as we know. Who knows what the IRS is looking at with their audits. Which, are probably being tossed aside now that he's President-Elect.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah...Trump sounds like he used something that was just on the boundaries of legal. Given that he basically spends every waking moment under some sort of IRS audit, I get the impression that his phalanx of lawyers and accountants specialize in that. And, a lot like Trump himself, does a good job of toeing the line between outright fraud and "just being a good businessman."

[Tom Servo]

Admittedly, Clinton may also have done things on the boundary of legal, but apparently that was a problem for the people okay with Trump's similar stance.

[Freude am Fahren]

I believe he used depreciation/losses on his assets (which were huge, failed casinos or something) to get tax credits of just under a billion. But he can't use that all at once, so it gets spread out over like 30 years. It's legal, and good for someone that might own a small business or something.

Anyone can do it.

I think technically, if you buy a $30,000 car, you can claim that much in depreciation immediately. If your tax burden is $10k, you can spread it out over three years and not pay a dime. However, you better drive that car into the ground, because if you sell it, you now owe that much in Taxes. Or something like that. My dad tried explaining it to me the other day.

[Kchrpm]

Way too generous.

I'd put racists/xenophobes somewhere between 10 and 20 per cent of the whole of America.
I see a difference between casual racists and swastika/KKK/white supremacist racists. That's what I was referring to.

[Jason]

Yeah, there's malicious bigots, who actively hate 'others'.

Then there's the casuals who simply don't give a damn about anyone else's plights, other than their own. So they'll ignore the active bigotry of a candidate, as long as their specific concerns are addressed (say, gun rights, or manufacturing jobs).

[novicius]

Trump is handing over everything to Pence, I don't think he's going to be impeached, I just think he's going to do nothing but give speeches that the GOP establishment tell him to give. He's a good sales person, and frankly he doesn't give a damn about being POTUS, he just likes attention. He won't be 'grounded' unless he decides he actually cares about something and pushes for it.
My money is on "Trump being Trump" enough times to get himself into hot water with RNC Inc. #penceworld

[mk]

But he has money, at least half a year I suppose.

[21Kid]

CNN - ‎8‎ hours ago
(CNN) House Speaker Paul Ryan said Sunday despite Donald Trump's campaign rhetoric, lawmakers are not prepared to form a deportation force to round-up and deport undocumented immigrants.

Washington Post - ‎4 hours ago‎
Donald Trump plans to immediately deport 2 million to 3 million undocumented immigrants

[novicius]

You want jobs, Rustbelt? Fruit and veggie picking jobs will soon be available. :lol:

[Tom Servo]

This is going to be needlessly long, unrelated to your lives, and anecdotal.

My sister hit me up yesterday, saying she was worried about my mom. That she'd basically been holed up crying since the election. Tried calling yesterday, but only got my dad. Called again today and talked to her for an hour or so.

I don't know if I've ever heard my mom this upset. Just crying that she never thought that the world her kids lived in would end up with a fascist as a president.

I tried to convince her it'd be okay with a lot of the shit I tell myself. As a country we are mostly progressive. As a state, CA is incredibly powerful politically and VERY progressive. My belief that this election is blacklash, the death throes of a dying system.

I can't tell you how heartbroken I was to hear my mom crying.

Her best friend is a Republican and she's afraid to talk to her for fear of losing her friend. I told her that there are plenty of Republicans that aren't on board with Trump, but she's afraid to ask.

I encouraged her to call the ACLU or Planned Parenthood to volunteer. Seemed like it helped, but she sounds so defeated.

I don't know why I'm posting this. I don't know if I want advice, or just to be able to vent, or what. I just know that I did my damndest to make things seem less terrifying, but felt like a fraud doing it.

Fucking A.

[Yw-slayer]

Sorry to hear that, man. It's bad, but I think the reality is that (putting aside the obvious bigots) there are a lot of people out there who are willing to overlook his obvious flaws. That doesn't mean that they are all (or that the country is full of) Bad People. Or in other words, not all Trump Supporters/Voters are the same.

[drew]

:(

[novicius]

I know how she feels, Tom -- I've been dealing with my own form of shock & grief, staying active daily but mentally resetting expectations of American society to late 1960's/early 1970's norms. :smh:

All we can do is keep the pressure on. :up:

[Cam]

All the shit that's gone down really has me thinking some crazy thoughts... or maybe not so crazy.

If Lori and I do not leave the country on our own, are eventually going to be deported because we are immigrants? Probably not because we're white. :rolleyes: On the other hand, maybe, because Lori is an intellectual and a climate scientist to boot. I am just an entertainer.

When the gustapo comes to collect the immigrants, do we run or fight? How bad does it have to be for us to do one of those things?

Do I need to start taking martial arts and buy a gun, not to defend myself, but to defend my fellow human beings from hate crimes?

I would rather not be deported, but I will if I get arrested for participating in demonstrations. How long can I stand by and allow this country to regress back to the Jim Crow era?

Now that these thoughts are on the internet, are the men in black going to show up in February and ship me to Guantanamo?

[Sad, little man]

Cam, in my limited experience, you will probably have a lot of forewarning before actually getting arrested in relation to a protest. I've never felt like I've even been close. I'm sure that every police department handles it differently, but Detroit PD has seemed pretty permissible towards protests. As long as you're part of a group that's large enough, the police can only really hope to contain and manage the crowd. It's not like they're just going to just wade into the crowd and start arresting people. Besides, it's not worth the hassle to do that to someone who hasn't really acted out.

Don't let the fear of being arrested keep you from protesting. Just show up to one and feel it out.

[drew]

To quote someone from last week "if you're not American, I don't want to hear from you" [which resulted in a block/buh-bye...]


Of course, those "non-Americans" seem to know a hell of a lot more of the way things work here than the ones spouting off "immigrants need to go"....

It's fucking sad.

Cam, you could always move back with us to IN (not that we're planning on it, but if shit goes bad, my dad has the perfect start of a zombie/apocalypse stand off location). There are 5 buildings, you can have one :)

[novicius]

Protesting in the streets raises morale and sends a message -- but all political groups & organizations need money & volunteers. :up: :up:

Also, use a camera, not a gun. Use Bambuser (if that's still the leading app) to upload video immediately to the Cloud (Dropbox / OneDrive / Google Drive / etc.) so that if your phone is smashed, you've still got the video. Bambuser Inc. has also set up direct feeds in countries where their governments have tried to block/censor the Internet such as Egypt, Bahrain, and Syria. It's very possible that the NSA might block Bambuser as well but for now they're probably the best bet.

[21Kid]

:( It's so sad that we even have to think about, and discuss these things. :(

[Cam]

To quote someone from last week "if you're not American, I don't want to hear from you" [which resulted in a block/buh-bye...]
I believe he said something to the effect of "I won't talk to non-residents." I'm a legal resident. :p

I used to think that he was just playing a character to troll us "lefties", but recently he's alienated most of the folks here that used to consider him a friend. He's really gone bonkers.

[Cam]

I have never been one to follow news very closely. However, this week, I started watching some news sources I think can be trusted: CBC, The Guardian, Al Jazeera and most importantly, The Onion. :lol:

[MR2 Fan]

To quote someone from last week "if you're not American, I don't want to hear from you" [which resulted in a block/buh-bye...]

So only people like Cherokee, Seminole, etc. then, the only TRUE Americans that weren't from immigrants

[JoshInKC]

I would rather not be deported, but I will if I get arrested for participating in demonstrations.
This is a tough situation - Morally, it can't be held against you if demonstrating will put you in danger of really heavy-duty consequences such as deportation and separation from your wife. I'm fortunate that I'm in a position where if s#!t goes bad, negative externalities are minimized - I can't be deported, and its highly unlikely that I'd be fired for anything short of murder (hooray liberal departments in academia).
If you do want to participate and are worried about it, you might consider going with some black bloc tactics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc) - remember, they can't arrest all of you, especially if they can't positively ID.

[drew]

So only people like Cherokee, Seminole, etc. then, the only TRUE Americans that weren't from immigrants



Exactly.

[novicius]

A great primer on the best way to "fight". (http://www.attn.com/stories/12768/former-congressional-staffer-explains-how-to-make-congressman-listen)

[drew]

The Onion is more of a "news" source than YoungCons, etc.


Sad to think people bite right into that shit, then reject actual news, like NYT, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune as "biased".

I'll give it another couple years, and our friend will be sitting in a Faraday cage with a foil pie pan on his head, surrounded by surplus MREs and rain barrels.

[21Kid]

A great primer on the best way to "fight". (http://www.attn.com/stories/12768/former-congressional-staffer-explains-how-to-make-congressman-listen)
:up:

[neanderthal]

I also read news from wn.com

[The359]

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Trump, on a platform against news media, nominates a news media baron as his chief strategist in the White House....

[Kchrpm]

He's fine with news media barons as long as they have a history of bigotry: http://qz.com/836329/breitbart-headlines-show-how-president-elect-donald-trumps-new-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-sees-the-world/

[Tom Servo]

Just saw one of my wife's family friends repeat the same shit about the protestors being paid, and also very upset about the "mainstream media" inciting "hatred against Trump and his supporters" with biased news stories.

She doesn't seem to have much a problem with Bannon, though. Who had headlines such as "Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy", "The Solution to Online 'Harassment' is Simple: Women Should Log Off", "Political Correctness Protects Muslim Rape Culture", "Would You Rather Your Child Have Feminism or Cancer", and "Two Months Left Until Obama Gives Dictators Control of the Internet."

[Tom Servo]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

In short, at least according to someone who saw the opposition research on Bernie: no, he would not have beaten Trump.

[FaultyMario]

I'm sure a Clinton/Sanders ticket would have thrown at least some 20M more votes on the pot. For whom, it's a guess.

[neanderthal]

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

In short, at least according to someone who saw the opposition research on Bernie: no, he would not have beaten Trump.

I say we will never know. #Bernie was bringin out the crowds and *energising the crowds* something Hillary failed to do. I know people who were for the most part apolitical, but were emboldened by his message and ended up volunteering.

-------------

A coworker was trying to justify his Jill Stein vote with the typical " i live in California so my vote wouldn't have mattered anyway because Hillary won" I chastised him by telling him that people like him who wanted to "assuage their poor wittle conscience" with their vote were the reason why Trump won. He came back with the "California voted for Hillary" and I cut him off and said "people like you"

I showed him the link for that "first day of Trump" from a couple of pages back and said go tell that to the people who are now experiencing this racism, hegemony, xenophobia, sexism, and jingoism.

[Sad, little man]

I'm going to get slightly more drunk than I am now and then stroll around the night with my priceless camera lens taking beautiful photos of the darkness and then I'm going to delete them all because nothing matters anymore and if I would have saved them they would have been destroyed in the nuclear holocaust that Trump will lead us into and when that happens I'll think back to this wonderful time when we could still enjoy beautiful things and it wasn't a struggle just to survive.

(I am very good at posting things in the political thread.)

[Tom Servo]

neanderthal: Totally true. We will never know. But it's certainly not as clear cut as many people seeming to be claiming.

[Tom Servo]

Well, the chairman of the American Nazi Party may be happy (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/305912-kkk-american-nazi-party-praise-trumps-hiring-of-bannon) with the appointment of Steve Bannon, but David Duke is pretty upset (https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/797911453479014401) about Reince Priebus being appointed to chief of staff.

I wonder how long until just everyone's pissed at him?

[Godson]

I forgot about his comment about Gabby Gifford.

Fuck I want to hurt Banning, that motherfucker.

[mk]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

Some college or less whites were R +14, all R +12 and
minorities were D -7 & -8 from last.

Does that mean that uneducated minorities were too stupid to vote.
Leaving public education lacking funds by D government indicates no,
for too ignorant also.

Is it very difficult to delay a war ship or some stealth bombers.

[21Kid]

I know it was all smoke and mirrors, but it would be nice if a few of the things Trump campaigned on would happen.

"We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals," Trump told a cheering crowd of supporters on election night.

“Well, I think you need it, because I think PACs are a horrible thing,” Trump said on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked if he would pursue campaign finance reform.

Donald Trump On D.C.: 'The Whole Place is One Big Lobbyist'

“If I'm elected president, I will push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress,” Trump said at a Tuesday afternoon rally in Colorado.

[drew]

I know it was all smoke and mirrors, but it would be nice if a few of the things Trump campaigned on would happen.

"We are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals," Trump told a cheering crowd of supporters on election night.

“Well, I think you need it, because I think PACs are a horrible thing,” Trump said on CNN’s “State of the Union” when asked if he would pursue campaign finance reform.

Donald Trump On D.C.: 'The Whole Place is One Big Lobbyist'

“If I'm elected president, I will push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress,” Trump said at a Tuesday afternoon rally in Colorado.


While I'm standing with you in hope, I highly doubt it.

Why, you ask? Highlighted above. Guess who's been getting transition team/cabinet positions?

It's fucking ridiculous.

I'm really waiting for him to Appoint George Zimmerman as Homeland Security Director.

[21Kid]

I know. :sadbanana:


I'm still clinging to "there's still a chance"...

Maybe I need to stop being so optimistic. :( I need some "Dark" chocolate. :lol:

[Kchrpm]

Is this our latest thing? GTXF Dark Chocolate (R)

[Freude am Fahren]

I don't know about term limits. I do know congressional districts should be redrawn completely. Maybe just county lines? Maybe use demographics to as closely mirror the U.S. as a whole? As it stands, the house will never have a democratic majority due to gerrymandering. And instead of term limits, we need to eliminate the money (I know, tall order). And barring any elected or appointed government official from lobbying jobs afterwards would also help. Term limits would probably just make them more beholden to lobbyists, as instead of caring about re-election, they'd care about their next job.

[21Kid]

Is this our latest thing? GTXF Dark Chocolate (R)

Shit, you already trademarked it?!? :(

[MR2 Fan]

hey, I want my 51% of the dark chocolate sales

[Kchrpm]

You'll get 75% of the debts and like it. Dark Chocolate (R)

[Jason]

I don't know about term limits. I do know congressional districts should be redrawn completely. Maybe just county lines? Maybe use demographics to as closely mirror the U.S. as a whole? As it stands, the house will never have a democratic majority due to gerrymandering. And instead of term limits, we need to eliminate the money (I know, tall order). And barring any elected or appointed government official from lobbying jobs afterwards would also help. Term limits would probably just make them more beholden to lobbyists, as instead of caring about re-election, they'd care about their next job.

Sadly laws have to come from Congress, and they sure as shit aren't going to write laws that go against their best interests. Districts will forever be illogical, lobbyists are here to stay, and term limits non-existent.

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, I know. :(

[FaultyMario]

It sound like Congress is unchecked and unbalanced.

[Jason]

I mean, things could go to the Supreme Court... but they also decided that corporations are people, and money is free speech so....

[neanderthal]

Term limits are in place guys, they're called elections.

If we could only get people to go out and vote...

[novicius]

Op-ed piece from Politico: Trump with nuclear codes. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/trump-north-korea-nuclear-crises-214457) :|

[Phil_SS]

I'm going to be very interested to see what Trump does about term limits. It is the number one goal in his manifesto. Will he just let it die once he gets into office or will he champion the cause. If I was him I would call them out every chance I got including in my State of the Union address.

I've been a huge advocate of term limits so it is one of the areas I am excited to have Trump as President.

[drew]

With his ego, I'd imagine it'd be term limits for everybody except him, as he repeals the 22nd.

Carlo, that link is fucking horrifying.

[21Kid]

Trumps presidency only confirms this...

The Most Entitled Generation Isn't Millennials (http://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-entitled-generation-isnt-millennials-2015-1)

For the first time in America’s history, an entire generation of her citizens are poorer, more indebted, and less employed than the preceding generations.

Our generation has been called “entitled.” We beg to differ. If any generation is entitled, it’s our parents’ and grandparents’ generation: the baby boomers.

True entitlement is tripling the national debt since the 1980s and using the proceeds to spend lavishly on tax cuts and government programs that primarily provided short-term economic boosts, while refusing to raise the Social Security age of retirement or to reduce benefits, even as the gluttonous program careens toward unsustainability.

True entitlement is allowing the reasonable minimum wage that Baby Boomers enjoyed when they were our age to deteriorate while opting to cut taxes on the gains from stocks and bonds that they accrued during periods of debt-driven economic and stock-market surges — creating an economy where wage earners at all income levels, as of 2012, receive a smaller portion of economic output at any time since 1929.

[Freude am Fahren]

Well said.

[Jason]

"We got ours..."

[Tom Servo]

So, not totally surprised that Rand Paul is apparently saying that he'll oppose confirming John Bolton or Rudy Giuliani for Sec. of State.

However, Lindsey Graham is calling for an investigation into Russian hacking re: the DNC and the election.

Up is down, black is white....

[MR2 Fan]

So, not totally surprised that Rand Paul is apparently saying that he'll oppose confirming John Bolton or Rudy Giuliani for Sec. of State.

However, Lindsey Graham is calling for an investigation into Russian hacking re: the DNC and the election.

Up is down, black is white....

It's the Karl Rove strategy, whatever your side is doing, blame your opponent for the same thing

[Kchrpm]

I just heard that was the KGB/Putin strategy as well.

[Cam]

Putin strategy is kill/Gulag anyone that says anything bad about you.

[21Kid]

Which is different from the Poutine strategy of Drown everything in gravy!

[drew]

Trump will go down in history as Agent Orange.

[Cam]

Mmm... gravy.

[novicius]

:lol:

[FaultyMario]

Trump will go down in history as Agent Orange.

He must be the easiest top-level asset ever, if a world superpower tried to get him in the bag. Which I'm sure they did.

With much success.

[Tom Servo]

Assessment of Obama's delivery of campaign promises so far, though he still has a couple of months to bang out some more.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

[SkylineObsession]

I'm not too wise on politics, but i'd assume the broken promises of mayors, prime ministers, and presidents probably has more to do with the people who work under them as opposed to them personally backtracking.

The stats people, the money people, the health people, the lawyers, and whoever else probably have to talk the leader down to a compromise on his/her promises. Unfortunately they never admit this, so everyone naturally lays all the blame on them.

That won't be the case all the time, but thats how i honestly see it.

[Tom Servo]

No doubt. And I think nobody reasonable would expect any politician to be able to deliver on all their promises. Beyond that, there are tons of variables - Obama had a really obstructionist congress to deal with. I still thought it was interesting, especially if you dig into each one a bit.

[21Kid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cnjf7-xCS4

[neanderthal]

No doubt. And I think nobody reasonable would expect any politician to be able to deliver on all their promises. Beyond that, there are tons of variables - Obama had a really obstructionist congress to deal with. I still thought it was interesting, especially if you dig into each one a bit.

The number of people who completely overlook this is baffling. "He could have done better..." the fuck, ... HOW?!?!? You can't play basketball if the other guys on your team aren't playing, or are actively opposing you.

[21Kid]

JFC!!! :smh:


Trump supporter used internment to justify Muslim policy (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/trump-supporter-internment-muslim-registry/)

"It is legal, they say it will hold constitutional muster," Higbie said. "We've done it with Iran, back a while ago, we did it during World War II with the Japanese, which, call what you will."
Kelly interjected: "Come on, you're not proposing we go back to the days of internment camps, I hope."
"I'm just saying there is precedent for it, and I'm not saying I agree with it," Higbie replied.
Kelly again appeared incredulous, saying talk like that scares Americans about what the President-elect might do.
"Look, the President needs to protect America first. And if that means having people that are not protected under our Constitution have some sort of registry so we can understand, until we can identify the true threat and where it's coming from, I support it," Higbie said.

[21Kid]

There's going to be such a brain-drain in this country. We're going to bet set back decades for this. :(



Who would actually want to move here any more?

All six U.S.-based Nobel Prize winners so far this year hail from outside the U.S.

[tigeraid]

Sounds like all those FEMA Camps Alex Jones raged about for years are gonna be put to use after all--as internment camps for muslims. I wonder what he thinks of that?

[The359]

Speaking of conspiracies, I wonder how many people are Trump supporters and 9/11, Sandy Hook, Moon, etc. conspiracists

[Rikadyn]

If I had to guess, 60-75%

[Sad, little man]

The moon did 9/11.

[Freude am Fahren]

Apathy wins by a landslide:

http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/did-not-vote-2016.png


-As a percentage of eligible voters, Clinton received 26.27% (60,839,922) of all votes compared to Trump’s 26.02% (60,265,858) and Did Not Vote’s 43.1% (110,450,842).
-Total voter turnout was estimated to be 56.9%.
-It is the 5th election since 1820 when the winner of the popular vote lost the presidency (the others being 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000)
-Donald Trump received 667,646 fewer votes than Romney did in 2012, but Hilary Clinton received 5,075,873 fewer votes than Obama did in 2012.
-Neither Candidate even won a majority of votes cast, Clinton got 47.8% vs Trump’s 47.3%.
-As a percentage of the entire US population (including those too young or other ineligible to vote) Clinton got votes from 18.73% of the population and Trump got votes from 18.56% of people.
-Washington DC is the only area in the country where a majority of all eligible voters (whether they voted or not) voted for Clinton (90% of voters, voted for Clinton on a 55.7% turnout). In the other 6 states listed above, victories were simple pluralities.

http://brilliantmaps.com/did-not-vote/

[Yw-slayer]

There's going to be such a brain-drain in this country. We're going to bet set back decades for this. :(



Who would actually want to move here any more?

All six U.S.-based Nobel Prize winners so far this year hail from outside the U.S.

Doesn't matter - international recognition of achievements is for those UN-world domination Commies, amirite? :lol:

[novicius]

Apathy wins by a landslide:
Both major parties practiced voter suppression by rolling out these two unappetizing candidates -- but they both were warhawks and friends of Wall St.

Capitalism-bloody-capitalism wins the day and war is coming. :|

[Cam]

Lori was literally crying this morning over what is going to happen. :|

I removed the Nova Scotia plate from the car.

[21Kid]

:( Poor Lori. She's been trying to keep such a positive outlook. Her attitude has helped me during a couple of dark days.


I just cannot fathom how/why so many people vote against their own best interest. Both with Hillary vs Bernie and Trump vs Hillary.
We really are a self-destructive bunch. :(

[novicius]

Nothin' to do but just keep on keepin' on until Penceworld drones start shelling U.S. towns & cities to quell the food riots. ;) :up:

So... how 'bout them Packers? :lol:

[21Kid]

Senate democrats just elected Chuck Schumer to be the new Senate Minority Leader. Yep....after losing the election, the Dems put a man with cozy ties to big banks in a leadership position.

https://scontent.ford4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15027462_1573799429300589_767618020734051966_n.jpg ?oh=88f2edf4e223b7f52964b77e09ba646a&oe=58BDFDFF

[Cam]

ffs

[Phil_SS]

Nothin' to do but just keep on keepin' on until Penceworld drones start shelling U.S. towns & cities to quell the food riots. ;) :up:

2051

[21Kid]

Someone mentioned a few weeks ago that the Running Man was based in 2017. I felt old. :(

[21Kid]

Oh yeah... Our president-elect could still be convicted of fraud (http://for.tn/2g2M0lv).

I guess there's no moral standard to be POTUS. :smh:

I hope they don't delay it...

[novicius]

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2051&stc=1
:lol: :( :lol:

Look, it's reeeal simple and it's something that minorities/drug users/targeted groups have been dealing with for the past twenty years: if you are perceived as "breaking the law" by the police (either by REALLY breaking the law as in most cases, or by being argumentative enough that the authorities look for an excuse to accuse you), you either go into a labor camp or you get killed on the spot.

Slave labor is alive and well in America in 2016. Expect the Prison Industry to *grow* over the next four years, not shrink, and both parties have representatives that benefit. Talk about taking jobs away from Americans! :lol: #cry

[drew]

He wants a delay so he can throw it out as President.

Again, fuck Trump.

Anyone that voted for him, I really, REALLY hope you're starting to see what he really is (that we've been saying all along). He's going to fuck this country into the ground, st us back 50+ years, and probably make use glow at night.

Steph is traveling today, so I sent her the Fortune link, to entertain her.

Her response via text "what a Grade A twat waffle"


I knew she was my match a long time ago, this confirms it.

[novicius]

To be utterly fair, it's not so much who voted for him who should be skewered, it's everyone who didn't vote for her. :assclown:

[Alan P]

Oh yeah... Our president-elect could still be convicted of fraud (http://for.tn/2g2M0lv).

I guess there's no moral standard to be POTUS. :smh:

I hope they don't delay it...

They absolutely shouldn't. His lawyers said not during the campaign now they're saying not until after he's president? I do wonder what bad publicity he would have gotten if they did try him during the campaign.

[drew]

To be utterly fair, it's not so much who voted for him who should be skewered, it's everyone who didn't vote for her. :assclown:

Touche.

[Tom Servo]

Last I heard is suddenly the Trump U case appears to be headed towards a settlement.

I'm sure that, much like the whole "Trump wouldn't rent to non-white people" settlement, Trump will insist that that means that nobody ever said he was actually guilty of anything, all while saying that any settlements Bill Clinton has made just prove his guilt.

[drew]

Proving once again, that if you have "infinite" money, you can just buy your way out of anything.

[novicius]

Heh, the A.I. Singularity cannot get here soon enough. :smh:

[21Kid]

Yup...
Despite campaign trail vows that he would not settle lawsuits pertaining to Trump University, Donald J. Trump has settled the multiple lawsuits for $25 million.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, vows and apparently his own principles dictated that he would not settle. Guess those are out the window.

[drew]

I suppose the next natural step for him, is to make a law that suit losses are tax deductions.

[Tom Servo]

And then blame Hillary for not changing the law to stop him from doing that.

[drew]

Bingo.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not really here to argue, but I thought this recommendation is probably the best on how we should deal with and eventually defeat the trump admin:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/opinion/the-right-way-to-resist-trump.html?_r=0&referer=

Fingers crossed and lots of prayers for America... Billi out!

[Tom Servo]

Trump's doing a pretty masterful job of getting everyone to talk about Hamilton instead of his settling for $25 million and now apparently having his hotel chain host a bunch of foreign diplomats to tell them how great it would be to stay at the Trump Hotel just down the street.

The conflict of interest thing aside (for someone that talked about Hillary being pay for play, how much do you want to wager it'll change Trump's interactions with foreign diplomats depending on whether or not they stayed at his hotel?), we cannot forget the fraud thing. It would easily have been an impeachable offense to be found guilty of fraud. He claims he had no time to go to trial because he's getting ready for the presidency, yet he's got time to fire off tweets about Hamilton and how Pence got a not-so-great reaction. And doesn't have a phalanx of lawyers that he regularly uses to SLAPP people with? Wouldn't they be handling the vast majority of it - it sounds like discovery is basically done at this point, and presuming he wouldn't testify in his own defense, I'd imagine he himself would have to do very little.

Trump U was a scam in the same way time-shares and places like the Landmark Forum and Scientology are. They prey on the weak and get them to spend until they can't anymore, then cast them aside. I have seen no signs that he won't do this as president.

Don't be distracted by this.

[MR2 Fan]

Any semblance of hope I had that for a moderate presidency was turned south by his choices for his cabinet/aides so far

[speedpimp]

Since Billy/i wanted more cats in the thread, here we go.
2057

[Godson]

FFS, I want to have discussions with people and they continue to move the goal posts, then post memes and claim they are providing proof, and claiming they are acting like adults.


Where the fuck is this supposed meteor?

[Sad, little man]

Sitting in trump Tower, tweeting.

[MR2 Fan]

FFS, I want to have discussions with people and they continue to move the goal posts, then post memes and claim they are providing proof, and claiming they are acting like adults.


Where the fuck is this supposed meteor?

Yeah, the strawman arguments I've seen among Trump supporters are non-stop

[Yw-slayer]

They mainly seem to be unhinged, like the guy who randomly started talking to me about him when I was carrying my 2 year old son next to me at Borough Market in London in July.

Guy: "MAN! These steaks are HUUUUGEE!!!"
Me: "Yes."
Guy: "Like DONALD TRUMP!!!! Have you seen him? He's HUUUUUGEEE!!!"
Me: "OK..." *To woman selling steaks* "I'll have 2 please." *Studiously ignores guy ranting on and on about how huge Trump is while paying and leaves ASAP*

[G'day Mate]

:lol:

[21Kid]

I don't believe that these were all accidental mistakes. I'm pretty sure most of them were on purpose.


The Federal Election Commission is asking the campaign of Donald Trump to correct more than 1,000 errors in its latest financial filing.

[21Kid]

I can't believe there has been no news of Trump's sexual assault accusers in almost a month. How is this not the top story, every day? Are we going to just let the potential president get away with assaulting women?

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/13/497799354/a-list-of-donald-trumps-accusers-of-inappropriate-sexual-conduct

There was more news about Bill Cosby, who's been irrelevant for decades. :mad:

[21Kid]

Ooops, no biggie. :smh: :mad:

Trump Foundation admits to violating ban on ‘self-dealing,’ new filing to IRS shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html)


In one section of the form, the IRS asked if the Trump Foundation had transferred “income or assets to a disqualified person.” A disqualified person, in this context, might be Trump — the foundation’s president — or a member of his family, or a Trump-owned business.

The foundation checked “yes.”

Another line on the form asked if the Trump Foundation had engaged in any acts of self-dealing in prior years. The Trump Foundation checked “yes” again.

[21Kid]

I hope something comes of this.


How Wisconsin's gerrymandering ruling could affect other states

A US District Court, with the help of a new statistical formula, ruled Monday that Wisconsin Republicans created electoral maps to favor GOP candidates.

[The359]

Or that Trump hasn't sued them yet like he promised to do.

[Tom Servo]

Man, after all his moaning about the TV networks and NYTimes being mean to him, it seems like Trump wants safe spaces more than just about anyone.

[FaultyMario]

Even the hair now looks like it did in prewar movies.

[Jason]

Man, after all his moaning about the TV networks and NYTimes being mean to him, it seems like Trump wants safe spaces more than just about anyone.

Is this really a surprise? This is the guy who sat out during the primary debates because they were being mean to him.

[21Kid]

Trump flip-flops 6 times in 1-hour NYT interview (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-flip-flops-6-times-in-1-hour-nyt-interview-203417722.html)

[Leon]

clearly the squirrel nailed to his head is acting up, as I am assuming that's what is making his decisions for him.

[Cam]

Incoming govt. plans to eliminate NASA's climate research. Lori was crying again this morning. :|

If I have learned anything from this election is that the Republicans are owned by energy companies and the Democrats are owned by banks. :smh:

[novicius]

The Two Americas of 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html?_r=1)

[mk]

How conservative country the US really is, is it a land mass thing?

[21Kid]

Incoming govt. plans to eliminate NASA's climate research. Lori was crying again this morning. :|

If I have learned anything from this election is that the Republicans are owned by energy companies and the Democrats are owned by banks. :smh:I saw that... and it's also 10% of what oil companies get for subsidies. Because they don't make enough money. :mad:

I think it's just Hillary that's owned by banks.

[Cam]

The Chuck Schumer image you posted earlier implies otherwise.

[Fogelhund]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/trump-stock-dakota-access-pipeline-1.3867557

President-elect Donald Trump holds stock in the company building the disputed Dakota Access oil pipeline, and pipeline opponents fear his investments could affect any decision he makes on the $3.8-billion project.

Trump's 2016 federal disclosure forms show he owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in stock in Texas-based Energy Transfer Partners. That's down from between $500,000 and $1 million a year earlier.

Trump also owns between $100,000 and $250,000 in Phillips 66, which has a one-quarter share of Dakota Access.

While Trump's stake in the pipeline company is modest compared with his other assets, ethics experts say it's among dozens of potential conflicts that could be resolved by placing his investments in a blind trust, a step Trump has resisted.

---------------------------

...and they called Hillary crooked?

[neanderthal]

Dude, she is NOT to be trusted. THE EMAILS!!!!!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wasn't it clear that both can't really be trusted.

Okay, maybe we could trust Hillary a little more, but honestly will she be more trustworthy than Obama?

Under Obama, bankers were not prosecuted and no reforms were made... And big banks continued to screw people whether it's the customers or the low level employees. Also, it is unders his admin that BLM movement began to boil over. Not saying it's his fault, but do you really believe she can do better?

Of course, I do agree Trump for sure won't do better.

Bottom line is that we need to up the requirements so that future candidates like these should not even be eligible to run!

Neanderthal, can you go back to the other thread and let me know how would you fix the BLM issues if you have to power to do something?

In other news, my candidate has managed to raise more money than her own original campaign to do recounts in battleground states...

What a waste of money.

If she is successful, I guess that'll make most of you very happy, but I can imagine civil war II will probably break out...

[neanderthal]

In other news your candidate has stated that the money may not go towards demanding a recount because she is an attention seeking something something something.

Oops, did I mis- speak... (http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/jill-stein-now-cant-guarantee-money-will-go-to-unlikely-recount/)

[Crazed_Insanity]

Anyway, attention seeking or not, I've said that I think it's a waste of money and I wouldn't donate anything...

Rather than continue on with such pointless debates, such as who's more crooked or why stein is an attention whore, I'm really more interested in hearing your ideas that can be implemented to make black lives matter more back in the other thread.

[FaultyMario]

2073

The political genius of the 20th century.

However he is viewed in the future there's no denying that him and his group of bearded adventurers made a poor tiny island country the center of the world in many respects, and that Cuba's achievements in societal change will stay as the benchmark for other poor countries.

[FaultyMario]

The way you slowly get rid of racism (because there is no fast way) in a system and a people is you make them realize where it was happening when they weren't even thinking about it. You make them stare it in the face, realize what it looks like, and then they have to choose to actively avoid it. It's not about taking away guns, it's about making people realize that their knee jerk reaction to someone of a different color should not overcome the fact that person is a human being just like them, with their own struggles, successes, family, and friends.

Then as racist actions and words are thought but then questioned internally rather than being done or said, children and peers don't see or hear them. They are less likely to have those thoughts, because they have little reason to (especially if they grow up in a diverse environment). When they ask questions or make questionable assumptions, they should be taught appropriately.

It doesn't require minorities being in charge of everything, it requires people deciding that they will honestly evaluate their own thoughts, and what they've been taught directly and indirectly from their family, friends and life experiences. That's just as tough, though.

Appropriately the cuban example shows that rapid change can occur, that same example also shows that it will be halted by politics.

The (optimistic) view in the 1980s, even by African-descendant scholars, was that economic measures would rapidly even things out between different ethnicities.
The contemporary opinion is that even when race-promoted economic disparities disappear, minorities will be socially segregated if their public representations remain unrepresentative of their numbers in society. So it is important for communities to fight for accurate political and media portrayals so that they can accomplish the goal of equalness in parks, schools, courts of law and other public arenas.

So yes, as a scholarly exercise, black lives do matter. And that movement is as legitimate and as pertinent now because we've discovered that racism is well alive and it is breaking up countries, cities and families along race lines.

As for the cuban experience, it all went to the shitter when Castro realized that because it was such a divisive subject it was better to declare it solved and not put much public attention to it or else things would get nasty, quickly.

[Yeti]

While we've been spinning in circles over Herr Trump and pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist as per usual, the UK appears to have passed the Investigatory Powers Bill.

Seems about right with the way things are going these days.

"Oi, Yanks! Have a look at this!" *Brexits*

"Shit, son! That ain't nothin'!" *Elects Trump*

"..... Nigel, hold my tea." *TPB passes.*

Orwell tried to warn us. Not that I expected much less from a world leader in domestic surveillance and a country where people get hauled in by the one-time for nasty tweets, but still. We could be next.

[MR2 Fan]

So there's discussion of a recount and the idea that the electoral college could choose NOT to vote for Trump...but I'm wondering if they did decide to overturn it...would we see massive riots from Trump's supporters and more racial tension...my guess is yes. I don't know what's worse for the country at this point...letting him win even if it's shown that there's problems or overturning it.

[Taimar]

I'm not convinced that the recounts in those three states will change the results. As sad as it is, those results are probably accurate. I'm certainly happy to eat crow on that.

However, the Electoral College was created for exactly this kind of situation - in which a dangerous demagogue who is clearly unsuited to the office is elected, either by hook or by crook. The college can, and should, hand the election to Hillary Clinton. The college is supposed to be a bulwark against this sort of result.

Think about it, what if Prince Trumperdink said, "on day one, I'm going to start executing people who have said mean things about me." Would they still really be obligated to allow him to take the office? We're not at that point yet, but honestly, we're in a world of hurt.

And you're right, that probably would cause rioting.

But the fact that it would cause rioting is reason enough to know that anybody who campaigns the way the Agent Orange has is not going to be able to govern, and is bad for the country as a whole. His entire method of campaigning has ripped open decades-old wounds and animosities, and polarized the country in a way that it has not been polarized since just before the civil war. They are wounds that it will take decades to heal, if they are even capable of being healed. His agenda threatens to roll back 100+ years of foreign policy and domestic progress. We're actually talking about living in a world more similar to the America of 1916 than of 2006 or even 1956 were he to do all the things he says he wants to do. And all that before he's ever set foot in the office or been sworn in.

His election is a catastrophic event for the country and one which presents the very real possibility that we may spend the rest of our lives trying to put the pieces back together.

[mk]

The college is supposed to be a bulwark against this sort of result.
I read somewhere that the house was the original attempted selector and electoral college was a backup for majority voted candidate.


anybody who campaigns the way the Agent Orange has is not going to be able to govern, and is bad for the country as a whole.
My impression for now is that he is about to govern differently, more or less.

[Fogelhund]

I'm not convinced that the recounts in those three states will change the results. As sad as it is, those results are probably accurate. I'm certainly happy to eat crow on that.

However, the Electoral College was created for exactly this kind of situation - in which a dangerous demagogue who is clearly unsuited to the office is elected, either by hook or by crook. The college can, and should, hand the election to Hillary Clinton. The college is supposed to be a bulwark against this sort of result.

Think about it, what if Prince Trumperdink said, "on day one, I'm going to start executing people who have said mean things about me." Would they still really be obligated to allow him to take the office? We're not at that point yet, but honestly, we're in a world of hurt.

And you're right, that probably would cause rioting.

But the fact that it would cause rioting is reason enough to know that anybody who campaigns the way the Agent Orange has is not going to be able to govern, and is bad for the country as a whole. His entire method of campaigning has ripped open decades-old wounds and animosities, and polarized the country in a way that it has not been polarized since just before the civil war. They are wounds that it will take decades to heal, if they are even capable of being healed. His agenda threatens to roll back 100+ years of foreign policy and domestic progress. We're actually talking about living in a world more similar to the America of 1916 than of 2006 or even 1956 were he to do all the things he says he wants to do. And all that before he's ever set foot in the office or been sworn in.

His election is a catastrophic event for the country and one which presents the very real possibility that we may spend the rest of our lives trying to put the pieces back together.

I can't disagree with much said here. I just wonder what will really happen. Will the chosen electorates cross the party lines here? It seems to me that politics has become more about power, and winning at any cost, that doing the right things. Maybe it was always that way, but with increased media, and social media attention it appears more vitriol to me now. The number needed to cross seems prohibitive.

My opinion, is if he isn't going to put his assets in a blind trust, he shouldn't be President. It ends right there. It shows an unwillingness to do what is right, and put the position first.

But, if the RNC chose him... and he won the election, and he wins the electorate... not much can be said. I feel bad for those who oppose him.... doubt this ends well, economically, socially... those that have supported him will deserve what they are going to get out of this.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Federal conflict of interest laws exempt the president, so there's not much we can do to force Trump to do anything...

Unbelievable. Why do we even have laws that exempt anybody? Why allow the president to be above the law? As if it's the low level employees that's cause the maximum corruption...

Oh, Trump is really good at gaming our system...

[Taimar]

No actively serving elected official is exempt from the "Title of Nobility" clause in the Constitution, which expressly states:


no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

Early on, a state call with the President Elect was made to Argentinian President Mauricio Macri. Trump International wants to build a tower in Buenos Aires and the subject came up on the call - according to sources within the Macri administration. Trump urged Macri to help get the permits done. The very next day, they were.

Such a situation is specifically prohibited by the Constitution, and for all Republicans' talk of how "Obama should follow the constitution" (they seem to have never read the constitution), here we are now.

He'll bleed us all dry.

[Freude am Fahren]

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally" --Our new president.

[Jason]

I'd love to see his proof on this. Or is it just another passive aggressive stab at non-white voters?

[Freude am Fahren]

They're hanging out with the 600 million refugees.

[Tom Servo]

As far as I can see, his proof is coming from Alex Jones and Infowars. Same guy who claimed he's seen video of half human, half fish babies being held in tubes by the English, their sad flipper hands clawing at the glass as they breathe through gills.

EDIT: I feel this is important to note. I am not making this up. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzNeg9D-EZ4)

[Taimar]

EDIT: I feel this is important to note. I am not making this up.

Just as reliable a source:


https://youtu.be/PE63y7ctAwA

[Tom Servo]

Oh, and good to see you back, Taimar!

[neanderthal]

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally" --Our new president.

So the guy who just won the election is saying that the election may not be on the up and up?

it's a never ending clown show.


And critics blasting Obama for saying a few mostly neutral vaguely nice-ish things about Castro. But those same critics saying jack shit about Trump openly praising
Putin.

[drew]

Oh, and good to see you back, Taimar!

Holy crap, indeed!

[Tom Servo]

So the guy who just won the election is saying that the election may not be on the up and up?

it's a never ending clown show.


And critics blasting Obama for saying a few mostly neutral vaguely nice-ish things about Castro. But those same critics saying jack shit about Trump openly praising
Putin.

Hey, with Castro gone, Trump is now the most prominent Russian-backed politician in the western hemisphere.

[drew]

I like how he's "Draining the Swamp" to reveal the Legion of Doom.


What's the over/under that he proceeds with making Cuba our 51st state? Then banishes all the inhabitants because they're "illegals".


Seriously, it's like he's intentionally (obviously) choosing the most ridiculous person for a position you could think of.

Climate Denier/oil asshole for the EPA, creationist for Education, and the son of Satan, Bannon.....


Fucking hell. Best part is, we're still 6 weeks from swear-in.

(Lest we forget his non-willingness to follow through with a blind trust, as well as making business deals, already, rather than reading a Civics 101 book)

Fucking horrified.

[tigeraid]

But a norm is not a rule, a point Trump has leaned on. “The law is totally on my side, meaning, the president can’t have a conflict of interest,” he told the New York Times. Disturbingly, this is legally accurate. The strict federal rules about financial conflicts of interest do not apply to the president, whose incentive to avoid self-enrichment is simply assumed. There is no legal mechanism that requires transparency or accountability. In essence, Trump is proposing that we, not he, enter a blind trust: He promises that he will never misuse his power, and we … hope he’s right.

Since Trump has refused to disclose his tax returns, or those of his family members, it is possible that business owners or dictators are granting his family excessively generous licensing agreements, or even giving them stock options or cash in return for government favors. Given Trump’s business ethics, which run from refusing to pay contractors and daring them to sue to establishing a fake university to swindle his fans to using his “foundation” to illegally donate to a politician who subsequently did not investigate said university, it would be surprising if he did not eventually accept outright bribery. Once introduced into a political ecosystem, corruption in government tends to spread rapidly. It can infect foreign-policy-making, where overseas partners will seek favors from Trump’s administration, and domestically, where Trump and his allies could form a self-enriching circle that wields state power to exclude both economic competitors and political ones. Astonishingly, the president-*elect has treated the sanctity of government as a nonissue. In a recent tweet, he pronounced the question of his own enrichment through power to have been settled by the voters (or at least the Electoral College). “Prior to the election it was well known that I have interests in properties all over the world,” he wrote. “Only the crooked media makes this a big deal!” He is not even claiming innocence — he is placing the question itself off-limits.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trumps-kleptocracy-already-feels-like-old-news.html

[drew]

Some bad, bad shit is going down in a few months.

[MR2 Fan]

Another GENIUS Trump supporter on twitter:

"Mark Dice - Ohio State University attacker was a SOMALI REFUGE. Trump was right AGAIN. #BuildTheWall"

So either Somalia is in Mexico or they want Trump to build a wall in Africa :smh:

[Phil_SS]

"Build the Wall" has become a euphemism for isolationism.

[speedpimp]

Shoddy reporting? (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/washington-post-blacklist-story-is-shameful-disgusting-w452543?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=112816_16)

[Crazed_Insanity]

I do believe the thing I'm most disappointed with during the past election is my lost of faith in the media...

But can't really blame them though. If they don't cater to readers' confirmation bias, then they'll lose readership... so if your reporting is biased, at least you'll capture half of the population. If you're totally objective and truthful, nobody will read you because you'll piss both sides off! Sigh...

[Freude am Fahren]

The problem is "media" means nothing now. Have internet access? You're now media. There's no standards for media anymore, because there's no price of entry. And a lot of mainstream media has had no choice but to sink to these other "media" outlets level to stay alive. It started slightly with cable news, but the world wide web just took it off a cliff, with cable news gleefully following them off, and the real media oulets regretfully being pulled off as well.

Fuck the internet.

[Yw-slayer]

The problem is "media" means nothing now. Have internet access? You're now media. There's no standards for media anymore, because there's no price of entry. And a lot of mainstream media has had no choice but to sink to these other "media" outlets level to stay alive. It started slightly with cable news, but the world wide web just took it off a cliff, with cable news gleefully following them off, and the real media oulets regretfully being pulled off as well.

Fuck the internet.

Indeed, half of the CNN front page (at least on my computers) is now clickbait. WTF.

[Godson]

SO, what's the over-under on Trump being impeached in the first year?

[drew]

Only problem with that, is who steps up to finish, and who'd really be the one pulling the strings anyway.


Mike Pence is a far scarier man, in some regards.

[21Kid]

SO, what's the over-under on Trump being impeached in the first year?

If he's jailed for sexual assault or fraud, does he automatically get impeached?

[neanderthal]

Only problem with that, is who steps up to finish, and who'd really be the one pulling the strings anyway.


Mike Pence is a far scarier man, in some regards.

People don't know bro. And Sec State is next in line, no? Isn't that Guiliani?

[novicius]

If he's jailed for sexual assault or fraud, does he automatically get impeached?
Who's gonna prosecute the President? Arrest him? He will literally ignore it. #abovethelaw

[21Kid]

I miss Richard Nixon. :(

[Jason]

SO, what's the over-under on Trump being impeached in the first year?

Only way that happens is if he pisses of his own party. I think there will be bickering, but I highly doubt Republicans will risk damaging their brand by impeaching their headpiece.

[mk]

From recent stuff I'd guess that he's actively trying.

[Rikadyn]

Only way that happens is if he pisses of his own party. I think there will be bickering, but I highly doubt Republicans will risk damaging their brand by impeaching their hairpiece.

ftfy

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'm almost sure the RNC will eventually have a fallout with Trump.

Anyway, 1st order of business is that we need to ban twitter, or make it illegal for POTUS to tweet shit. Have a damn press conference already!

[speedpimp]

Line Of Succession To The US Presidency. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession)

[Tom Servo]

Goldman Sachs partner will likely be Treasury Secretary. I'm sure the fact that Trump owes Goldman Sachs $950 million on one of his buildings in no way is affecting the decision making process there.

[Freude am Fahren]

So, pretty much every argument we heard against Hillary, Trump is doing. Except of course the emails. Thank god he doesn't have emails!

[Jason]

I mean, he just puts all his shit on Twitter.

Also, kinda funny/small world... a friend of mine just accidentally found out some Trump appointment news from an excited client of his who happens to be on Trump's staff... and called the wrong number, and wouldn't let my friend get a word in to tell them they got the wrong person :lol:

Not surprising considering another potential was walking around with papers/plans right out in the open.

This is going to be an interesting four years to say the least. :lol:

[FaultyMario]

How does someone running for the highest office in the US does not know/care about Texas v Johnson?

[Godson]

We are fucking doomed

[Crazed_Insanity]

How come Romney's singing a different tune of Trump now?

One would think Christy would have a bigger role in the Trump admin than Romney, right?

Totally unpredictable... Just as you'd never know what he will tweet and when he will tweet it...

[novicius]

We are fucking doomed
As long as the top 5% keep cranking up the inequality, they set the stage for increasing spurts of populist gun violence at demonstrations and marches.

I honestly doubt there will be any sort of revolution or true civil war, our lifestyle (both personal and political) just isn't built for that.

[Tom Servo]

How come Romney's singing a different tune of Trump now?

I'd think this is obvious?


One would think Christy would have a bigger role in the Trump admin than Romney, right?

Rumor I've heard is this was payback for Jared Kushner. When Christie was a US Attorney he was involved in the prosecution of Jared's dad for 18 counts of tax evasion, witness tampering, and making illegal campaign donations, sending him to prison.

[21Kid]

I honestly doubt there will be any sort of revolution or true civil war, our lifestyle (both personal and political) just isn't built for that.
You think it was back then? :lol:


There were enough guns sold on Black Friday alone to arm the marine corps. At least we're well enough equipped. :smh:

According to the FBI spokesman Stephen Fischer, Black Friday shattered the single-day record for gun sales – with 185,713 background checks processed in a 24 hour period.
Those numbers ignore the 20 states that allow millions of licensed concealed carriers to forego background checks on each purchase, in compliance with ATF guidelines. Also, more than one firearm can be purchased on a single background check. That means the number of firearms purchased on Black Friday is likely more than 200,000.

[novicius]

Do I think that the majority of the American people were in better physical shape to fight both a conventional & asymmetrical war with each other in either 1775 or 1860 vs in 2016?

Oh hells yeah. :lol:

[21Kid]

:mad: Haven't you seen how jacked Clay Matthews is!?! We're Bigger, Faster, Stronger than ever!!!



Well, not all of us. :(

[tigeraid]

http://i1.wp.com/www.davidduke.com/images/fat_soldier.jpg




I dunno, do you have to move all that fast when you have computer-guided, night-vision enabled adamantium-tipped smart bullets?

[21Kid]

YEAH!!! If North Korea takes out our communications and infrastructure it will be up to all of us!!!


http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/11/20/20-red-dawn.w750.h560.2x.jpg

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

Money keeps society functioning together. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

Other than (the eventual) opening fire with live ammo against protestors/cops/military in limited fits of inequality-fueled rage, what true change is going to take place? Trump is impeached? Class warfare is so much bigger than that comic asshole. :lol:

The Poor still believe in the concept of money -- and even if people rejected it en masse and went back to bartering (ha!), the top 10% have 99.99% of all the land and goods, too.

Conservatives won this round of U.S./British leadership. We have our résumés and we polish/duel with them daily. We all have a vested interest in maintaining the global status quo. Violence is limited, emotional and pointless, and violent roving packs of The Poor are never going to change anyone's mind. They will always have my support, my vote and my donations but never my blood.

This is our life. #shrug #fuckitdudeletsgobowling

:)

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'd think this is obvious?



Rumor I've heard is this was payback for Jared Kushner. When Christie was a US Attorney he was involved in the prosecution of Jared's dad for 18 counts of tax evasion, witness tampering, and making illegal campaign donations, sending him to prison.

The least obvious part is why would Trump go out of the way to give a top cabinet post to one of his biggest RNC critics. I thought he's very vengeful...

Hope he can reach over to the DNC side and win people over this way too in the future...

[Crazed_Insanity]

As long as the top 5% keep cranking up the inequality, they set the stage for increasing spurts of populist gun violence at demonstrations and marches.

I honestly doubt there will be any sort of revolution or true civil war, our lifestyle (both personal and political) just isn't built for that.

I'm not so sure civil war is not possible if Hillary won.

If the usually more reasonable left could protest like that, I'm sure the gun loving right could cause more problems had Hillary won.

Trump also made the show of saving 1000 jobs in Indiana, had Hillary won, I'm sure the DNC would continue to focus on the coasts and ignore the deplorables in rural America and the animosity will only continue to brew...

[Freude am Fahren]

The least obvious part is why would Trump go out of the way to give a top cabinet post to one of his biggest RNC critics. I thought he's very vengeful...

Because it's the most humiliating thing you can do to Mitt is make him grovel for your approval after everything he's said. Whether or not he gives it to him, Trump still wins.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Hmm..., that's true.

I wonder if he'll utilize the same humiliation tactics at the democrats later on and in the end unite the nation? :D

[tigeraid]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/these-are-real-notes-from-a-real-conversation-between-d-1789523737


PR No. 298 PM TELEPHONES PRESIDENT-ELECT USA Islamabad: November 30, 2016

Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif called President-elect USA Donald Trump and felicitated him on his victory. President Trump said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif you have a very good reputation. You are a terrific guy. You are doing amazing work which is visible in every way. I am looking forward to see you soon. As I am talking to you Prime Minister, I feel I am talking to a person I have known for long. Your country is amazing with tremendous opportunities. Pakistanis are one of the most intelligent people. I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems. It will be an honor and I will personally do it. Feel free to call me any time even before 20th January that is before I assume my office.

On being invited to visit Pakistan by the Prime Minister, Mr. Trump said that he would love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people. Please convey to the Pakistani people that they are amazing and all Pakistanis I have known are exceptional people, said Mr. Donald Trump.

*****


This is word-for-word. Word-for-word from the leader of the free world. THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD SPEAKS LIKE THIS.

Has the man ever read a book? Or even a newspaper?

[21Kid]

nope... he's admitted that he doesn't read.

Donald Trump doesn’t read much. Being president probably wouldn’t change that (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-doesnt-read-much-being-president-probably-wouldnt-change-that/2016/07/17/d2ddf2bc-4932-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html?utm_term=.592219acd0bb)


He said in a series of interviews that he does not need to read extensively because he reaches the right decisions “with very little knowledge other than the knowledge I [already] had, plus the words ‘common sense,’ because I have a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability.”



edit: well, I guess he reads some things.

He has no time to read, he said: “I never have. I’m always busy doing a lot. Now I’m more busy, I guess, than ever before.”

Trump’s desk is piled high with magazines, nearly all of them with himself on their covers, and each morning, he reviews a pile of printouts of news articles about himself that his secretary delivers to his desk. But there are no shelves of books in his office, no computer on his desk.

[tigeraid]

And this, apparently:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8


"Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist," Marie Brenner wrote.

[George]

They say Trump doesn't drink, but he sure sounds like he's drunk most of the time, when he's speaking or tweeting.

[Kchrpm]

People say I seem drunk, too. Some of us are just naturally off kilter.

[Tom Servo]

People also say I seem drunk, and that's because I most likely am.

[Crazed_Insanity]

They say Trump doesn't drink, but he sure sounds like he's drunk most of the time, when he's speaking or tweeting.

Yep, only water. However, there's a bottle of something in the back!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/media.central.ie/media/images/d/DonaldTrumpMittRomneyDinner_large.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

That's actually probably water. Fancy restaurant and all.

Are Mormons allowed to eat seafood? Those look like scallops, or maybe crab cakes.

[Godson]

People also say I seem drunk, and that's because I most likely am.

I think I'm going to sleeve the next 18 months trying to kill my liver and kidneys. Judging by my genetics. That's a tough fucking job.

[Yw-slayer]

That gov.pk press release is ultra-:lol:

[21Kid]

:smh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBUeipXFisQ

[Tom Servo]

Bunch of Trump supporters insist there was voter fraud.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/804329657244012544

[21Kid]

I'm constantly disappointed by the level of stupidity in this country. :(

It took her what two seconds to fact check that?

Granted it was edited... but still, shouldn't you check out something that outrageous to see if it's accurate?
People seriously take FB posts as facts?:? I. just... how??? :smh:

[tigeraid]

My need to stay in contact with friends and family constantly wars with my utter hatred of the bullshit smeared all over facebook.

[Tom Servo]

Agreed. Overall, Facebook has been a huge positive for me, I've reconnected with a lot of people I lost contact with over the years and while not all of those reconnections have been positive, the vast majority have been. It has, however, pointed out a lot of shortcomings in some of my friends (as I'm sure some have found shortcomings in the horseshit I post).

[Tom Servo]

Stolen from Matt Oswalt:

Opening scene from The Big Short 2:

TRUMP: "I'm moving all of my hotels out of the US!"

TRUMP: "Would a big tax cut change your mind?"

Trump smiles.

[Jason]

Bunch of Trump supporters insist there was voter fraud.

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/804329657244012544

You could see the point where she popped a few blood vessels listening to these people. :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/lqmrxewzwzqoggcn93cv.png

[Godson]

Fuck I love Bernie.

[neanderthal]

Fuck I love Bernie.

x2

[novicius]

https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/

The Tea Party backlash is gonna be YUGE. :popcorn:

[tigeraid]

Further to that.

http://www.popsci.com/house-committee-on-science-just-tweeted-science-article-from-breitbart


On Thursday, the House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology took a jab at "climate alarmists" by tweeting an article from Breitbart News. "Global Temperatures Plunge," the tweet reads. "Icy Silence from Climate Alarmists."
The Committee, part of the United States House of Representatives, is in charge of non-defense federal scientific research and development. They have jurisdiction over NASA, the Department of Energy, EPA, ATSDR, NSF, FAA, NOAA, NIST, FEMA, the U.S. Fire Administration, and USGS.

Breitbart, which has gained infamy for publishing articles such as "Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew," "Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy," and “Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer," cites U.K. tabloid The Daily Mail as its source for the climate change takedown. The article presents research arguing that recent increases in global temperature are the result of natural weather patterns, and perhaps not related to global warming. But many scientists have reported that these weather patterns are not sufficient to explain 2016's record-breaking temperatures.


God fucking dammit. THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Cam]

Legit scientists are very angry about this recent development in the climate science.

[drew]

Hug Lori for me Cam....

:mad:

[Cam]

Now that you don't have to work (typical lazy liberal), you could make a week-end road trip and give her a hug yourself. :D

[21Kid]

https://trumpgrets.tumblr.com/

The Tea Party backlash is gonna be YUGE. :popcorn:
:rolleyes:
I don't know what they expected from someone who lied over 70% of the time...

[drew]

Now that you don't have to work (typical lazy liberal), you could make a week-end road trip and give her a hug yourself. :D

That is a very valid point!

We'll sort something out in the next couple weeks :D

[neanderthal]

Jury deadlocked (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/us/michael-slager-walter-scott-killing.html?_r=0) in the case of a police officer who, clearly under no threat and not in any danger, shot a black man in the back. This is the America black people live in.

But we have to keep waiting for ... i DON'T KNOW WHAT exactly.

I don't know how much more clear cut a case needed to be than this. The defense; self defense. Yes, Self defense. He was defending himself from a person who was running away from him.

Here's the video (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-slager-indicted-shooting-walter-scott-south-carolina/) in case you don't know.

[Yw-slayer]

This series of phone calls with foreign leaders is hilarious.

[Leon]

It is as though a moron has been put in charge.

[Godson]

But he has...

[Rikadyn]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/world/asia/philippines-rodrigo-duterte-donald-trump.html?_r=0&referer=

[FaultyMario]

Is it too late to become an antifa, or is the war lost already?

I now think pussyright were not the anecdote the media made 'em out to be.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not sure about other leaders..., but I thought it was kinda cool to finally break the ice with Taiwan president since Carter admin. It was probably the politically incorrect thing to do to ignore the one China policy and irked mainland Gina, but this time I side with Trump... If US can still sell Taiwan arms, it should be able to accept a congratulatory call from the president of Taiwan. No need to politically correctly pretend that Taiwan doesn't exist.

[Rikadyn]

Is it too late to become an antifa, or is the war lost already?

I now think pussyright were not the anecdote the media made 'em out to be.

Um...never to late to bash the fasc. :D

[Tom Servo]

Even Ann Coulter, author of "In Trump We Trust", appears to be having regrets.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/804794257961865220

[MR2 Fan]

Fake news has real consequences

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html

[FaultyMario]

So Petraeus is a complete slut, and he will leash off his booty, consequences be darned.

So much for trying to stick Slick Willy's character flaws onto his wife. I don't think he was this careless or that they tarnished the Clintons professional endeavors.

[Jason]

Fake news has real consequences

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html

That place is just down the street from me, I go there fairly regularly, and I order take-out regularly from another place a couple shops down from it. The whole block has been getting large amounts of harassing calls, tweets, emails, etc. We're talking people threatening their lives. And then this dude shows up with a gun? Pisses me off that our law enforcement agencies are not taking the alt-right seriously. There will likely be blood shed here soon, I fear.

[FaultyMario]

Alt-right, Jason?

Do everyone a civic service and call them what they are. White supremacy fascists.

[Rikadyn]

Alt-right, Jason?

Do everyone a civic service and call them what they are. White supremacy fascists.

or Neo-Nazis and half of the cops probably support them.

[Jason]

DC's police force probably isn't among them. That being said, the FBI should be taking these assholes seriously, and I'm not sure they are.

[FaultyMario]

It's become pretty evident that some (big?) portions of government are run by sectarious groups of assholes. I wouldn't even call them partisan groups, because they clearly represent the interests of groups within the parties.

Notably the intelligence bodies seem to be in such a fight with one another... there's the military spies, the congress-controlled security, the executive-controlled, the judiciary spies (the FBI, i guess)... that's a way to explain why the book was thrown at Snowden and why they let narcissists like Petreaus or Kobach go unreprimended, or the Hillary's bash-before-the-election.

[21Kid]

Trump is selecting people that have ZERO experience in what they are going to be running. This is going to be such a shit show. :(

Trump taps Ben Carson for HUD secretary (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ben-carson-hud-secretary-nomination/)
He probably doesn't even know what HUD stands for. :smh:

edit: just thought I'd add this nugget.
Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has told President-elect Donald Trump that he isn’t interested in serving as secretary of Health and Human Services, a Carson ally confirmed to The Hill on Tuesday…

“Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, he’s never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency.”… A neurosurgeon didn't think he was qualified to run the Health & Human services dept. But, somehow he's now qualified to run the housing dept? :? Yup. That checks out! :toolbox: FFS



Ugh. I have to stop worrying about this... there's nothing I can do at this point. And worrying/complaining about it isn't going to help. Maybe I'll just ignore the next 4 years. Except for local elections, etc...

[drew]

or drink, a lot.

[Phil_SS]

Remember, the cabinet members have to be confirmed by Congress.

While these may seem like slam dunks I think some of the appointments will be rejected. Carson has no business being the head of an agency having never worked in the field.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ugh. I have to stop worrying about this... there's nothing I can do at this point. And worrying/complaining about it isn't going to help. Maybe I'll just ignore the next 4 years. Except for local elections, etc...

QFT!

Worrying about stuffs that's beyond your control really is pointless and can be hazardous to your health.

Trump being a master manipulator and won the election is one thing, but I honestly can't believe his supporters will be able to continue to support him after 1 or 2 years. Silverlining to all this is that perhaps this is the democrats chance to finally win back control of the Congress later on. There's gonna be backlashes..

Even in the unlike even that he IS a great president and actually made America great again, hey, I have no problem with that. I'll certainly have more respect for him if he achieves such feat. However, I seriously doubt he'll last more than a couple of years.

I like Trump solely for the fact that he single handedly destroyed the current political establishment. Now we have a chance to start something fresh! But of course we now have a risk of him starting something even worse, but we can keep a watchful eye and if he really steps too out of line, we'll have to intervene of course. In the mean time, I'm just not going to worry about it.

[21Kid]

Remember, the cabinet members have to be confirmed by Congress.

While these may seem like slam dunks I think some of the appointments will be rejected. Carson has no business being the head of an agency having never worked in the field.
I don't think the Republican Congress will decline their new President's appointees. :( They own both the Senate and House.

[drew]

Remember, the cabinet members have to be confirmed by Congress.

While these may seem like slam dunks I think some of the appointments will be rejected. Carson has no business being the head of an agency having never worked in the field.


Neither do 99% of the other people he's appointed.

It's like he's flipping us all off (especially the people he duped into voting for him), saying "Look at what I'm doing now!" He's just perpetuating the shitshow that started last year.

It's a game to him, picking the most ridiculous person for a given position, because he knows he'll stay in the news/spotlight for it. Example: the SNL Twitter shit. Because, narcissism.

[21Kid]

Another reason I'm giving up on it.

[drew]

I don't see congress rejecting any of his picks. The GOP had lot's of time/chances to disavow the tangerine twat in the last 29 months, and didn't. So that tells me, they're "in", if for nothing else than to save face. Which, I think, scares me more.

[MR2 Fan]

Trump is selecting people that have ZERO experience in what they are going to be running. This is going to be such a shit show. :(

Trump taps Ben Carson for HUD secretary (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/ben-carson-hud-secretary-nomination/)
He probably doesn't even know what HUD stands for. :smh:

edit: just thought I'd add this nugget. A neurosurgeon didn't think he was qualified to run the Health & Human services dept. But, somehow he's now qualified to run the housing dept? :? Yup. That checks out! :toolbox: FFS



Ugh. I have to stop worrying about this... there's nothing I can do at this point. And worrying/complaining about it isn't going to help. Maybe I'll just ignore the next 4 years. Except for local elections, etc...


First, Ben Carson's aide shouldn't be using slang like "cripple" as it will offend handicapped people (I'm joking BTW)

Second, why would Trump hire people who have experience, it's not like he does

[drew]

The West Wing, as in "wing it".


Fucking hell.

[MR2 Fan]

I don't think he'll last 4 years in office...something will kick him out I feel