Politics

[Tom Servo]

There is a good point in the replies that the Scott Castenada account could be fake, since it goes from pro-ACA in 2015 to pro-Trump in July 2019. But who knows. And in the meantime, Tom's been roasting other morons anyway.

I kinda thought that might be the case, but it was also funny and believable enough that I enjoyed posting it anyway.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah regarding Georgia, at least we're seeing these issues now before November and honestly, I'm just going to call GA for Trump and stop worrying about whatever happens in that state.

I have to disagree. Back in 2016, trump got only 50% but Hillary got 45% of the popular votes! It was a narrow win.

Considering more supporters are likely to be leaving trump and with more energized black voters, it’s quite conceivable Georgia could go for Biden!

[Jason]

The daily show is so brilliant. Oldie but a goodie.


https://youtu.be/NzDhm808oU4

Klepper is so damned good at interviews, hope he comes back when rallies start up again. Though with COVID-19 around, I'm not sure people are in a rush to go do interviews of idiots who are risking their lives for a political candidate.

[George]

I watched some of that but couldn't stomach more than about two minutes of seeing uneducated rednecks embarrassing themselves. I clicked around a little after the first two minutes and it's all disgusting. Is this really what we've become?

And how can a guy old enough to have wrinkles on his face not remember who was president on September 11, 2001 and when Barack Obama was elected? Are some people "history-blind" like others are color-blind? These events happened just nineteen and twelve years ago - it's not like I'm criticizing him for not knowing who begat whom in the Old Testament.

I'd like to think this was like those "man on the street" interviews some late-night comedy TV hosts used to do. I always thought they must have stood there for hours in NYC or LA to get enough footage of clueless people, since the majority would know answers to the easy questions being asked. Or, another example is those Saturday morning fishing shows where a guy like Bill Dance would seemingly pull fish after fish after fish out of the water, but closer inspection revealed the sun moved all around the sky during a 30-minute TV show, indicating it took all day to catch that many fish.

I'm not so sure that's what happened in this video.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Don’t be so biased George, redneck lives matter too! :p

Look, only about 30% of Americans completed college... and even with my college degree, I might not even be able to answer some of those questions by late night comedians under the pressures of camera...

Anyway, I think the moral of the story is probably that a democracy might not be able to survive if we continue to cut basic education funding and then price higher education out of reach of most Americans...

American voters can easily be meddled with, by Russians, by Chinese, by social media and by our very own politicians bought by the rich elite.

The main thing I found disgusting is the corruption that can be found within our institutions rather than these sheep...

If we could ask Genie to make trump and all of his supporters to magically disappear, trust me, our problems would still not go away. BLM movement, for example, will still continue. Brown lives all over the globe will also continued to be harassed by the US military as terrorists.

We need a way to figure out how we can check and balance the power some of our institutions have accumulated... and Uncorrupt them for the good of everyone.

[George]

Hey, I'm not losing any sleep over this, believe me, but you don't have to have gone to college to know who was president in 2001. It's not about college. Education is a life-long process and a lot of it is passive, from just being alive and observing what's happening around you.

Granted, some are better in remembering when the Battle Of Hastings was than others. Some can do complex math problems quickly in their head. Others can draw what they see without every having taken an art class. Maybe the guy I singled out can look at the head of a bolt and immediately see it's a 9/16", where I have to try four different wrenches to find the one that fits.

I know everyone is different, but I assume that people who attend political rallies would be interested in politics and therefore know just a little about recent political history. Silly me.

This crowd seems like they just showed up because they were giving away free hotdogs or something.

[Crazed_Insanity]

True, education doesn't account for everything, but one thing higher education does is critical thinking skills... which might be helpful?

Also, there's a lot of emotions... or perhaps even genetic aspect of human make up that we just can't change about others. At least emotions we could allow people some time to cool down..., but certain genetic predispositions probably won't be easily changed.

Some people are just more conservative... some are just more liberal... we all want different things.

It's clear that those white folks are hungry for something. It's easy to just assume they're bunch of ignorant racists, but I guess it's also very easy for them to assume all black people are looters and thugs... all gays are just.... wrong...

We need to collect our emotions and use them to drive us to solve actual problems, not to direct our emotions to kick ass of people we disagree with. Hopefully George Floyd is the catalyst that'll help us actually solve some problems...

For it's probably better that we now have a reason to protest and to tear our institutions down... if the corruption were allowed to continued unchecked... someday, people might just be so fed up and start rioting for seemingly no good reasons at all.

[MR2 Fan]

NASCAR has banned the displaying of the confederate flag at all races. I was wondering what that noise I heard was, apparently it was the sound of millions of racists and southerners heads exploding

[Yw-slayer]

I kinda thought that might be the case, but it was also funny and believable enough that I enjoyed posting it anyway.

I agree.

[Yw-slayer]

3559

A great example of a savage, but entirely justified, response. :lol:

[Tom Servo]

I kinda thought that might be the case, but it was also funny and believable enough that I enjoyed posting it anyway.

Turns out it might actually be legit, at least according to Detroit's alt-weekly newspaper: https://www.metrotimes.com/city-slang/archives/2020/06/10/michigan-man-goes-viral-after-telling-rage-against-the-machines-tom-morello-he-used-to-be-a-fan-until-he-realized-the-band-was-political

[Yw-slayer]

lol. I googled the name and found someone with it on an Iowan register. There is some resemblance. And the twitter account has now been deleted.

[FaultyMario]

Is Kamala Harris really the front runner for VP as of now? Having a person that intersects in law enforcement-POC-capitol hill politics-good media presence would be a silver lining in this clusterfuck of an election cycle.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think Kamala would be a pretty good fit. Black establishment loves her. DNC sees her as a good team player. Her senate seat in blue CA could also easily be refilled by another democrat so there's no need for worry that way...

Unless there's a better less known candidate that Biden prefers more... I see Kamala being pick as VP. I can often be wrong, we'll see.

[Tom Servo]

What annoys me about this is that he's so fucking dumb that I honestly can't tell if this is a purposeful dog whistle or he's just too stupid to realize that there's a reason we normally don't call the Secret Service the "S.S."...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaO5AJtXsAE28G6?format=png&name=small

[FaultyMario]

Intentional. He wouldn't be so close to both Bannon and Miller if he wasn't a fucking white supremacist.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I honestly don't believe Trump is stupid. He can't possibly go this far by being stupid. He may pretend or act stupid though... I really do hope that he's not pandering to the nazi votes that this is just a slip...

Okay, even if he is really a nazi at heart, I am still hopeful though... America defeated the Nazi's once, there's no reason why we can't defeat it again.

Lastly, even if he simply wasn't aware of the offensive abbreviation, the tweet's content by itself is pretty offensive in a time like this. This back handed compliment to the law enforcement folks is like... bring it on protesters!

Genuine stupidity would be 'let them eat cake!'. Trump is basically saying 'fuck them!'

A revolution is coming that's for sure.

[George]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaO5AJtXsAE28G6?format=png&name=small

Forgetting about the S.S. for a minute, the rest of that tweet reminds me of this event in American and Washington, D.C. history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army


President Herbert Hoover then ordered the U.S. Army to clear the marchers' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded a contingent of infantry and cavalry, supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.

[neanderthal]

3559

A great example of a savage, but entirely justified, response. :lol:

Savage.

[Tom Servo]

To the surprise of no-one, the rally that Trump is holding in Tulsa now that he's declared victory over Covid requires that you agree not to hold him responsible if you get the Covid at the rally.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQvMH1WoAA9ZSC?format=jpg&name=900x900

[FaultyMario]

"Donald J. Trump for President, Inc."

Politicians can also siphon money out of their election campaigns?

[Yw-slayer]

HAY GUYZ did you know that the Govt is making plans for violent protesters to be jailed within 24 hrs if they cause vandalism, criminal damage, or assault a police officer?

The UK government of course. What government did you think I was talking about?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/violent-protesters-to-be-jailed-within-24-hours-hx69wwxwq

"Violent protesters to be jailed within 24 hours"

[MR2 Fan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQZ9TtVAAE5gQp?format=png&name=900x900

[Crazed_Insanity]

We should militarize our schools in order to check and balance the police... also to fight off crazy mass shooters. School security should also beat the crap out of students who cut class or plan to drop out. Run it like a gang... once you’re in, you can never leave! Only way to leave is thru graduation! :p

[Crazed_Insanity]

Back to being more serious...

I really hope the George Floyd incident will help bring forth the structural change we need...

The bad racist cops obviously represent the problems in the conservative right, so what about the liberal left? What does the left need to do to make the change?

Unions. Unions meant to protect laborers could also end up protecting cops too well: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/12/george-floyd-police-unions-stand-way-reform-experts-say/5347136002/

[Rare White Ape]

HAY GUYZ did you know that the Govt is making plans for violent protesters to be jailed within 24 hrs if they cause vandalism, criminal damage, or assault a police officer?

The UK government of course. What government did you think I was talking about?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/violent-protesters-to-be-jailed-within-24-hours-hx69wwxwq

"Violent protesters to be jailed within 24 hours"

Strayan gummint (yes that’s how you spell it) is threatening to draw up legislation that will allow them to cut welfare payments to anyone who protests. Way to tar everyone with the same brush.

And our former High Commissioner to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, has decided to stay relevant by responding to a Twitter discussion on Australia’s blackbirding history by interjecting with a resounding “at least it wasn’t slavery”- style comment.

Way to go, Mr Downer.

[MR2 Fan]

It's becoming more evident that Trumps mental and physical health is declining rapidly. He can't hold up a glass of water or walk down a ramp properly.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271820635040362497

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271902553417138176

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don’t quite get the Vietnam part, but his little right and left hands obviously sometimes don’t know what each other’s doing... or maybe just too small and weak?

Oh no, this cup of water is too heavy! Request immediate back up!!!

Good thing back up came quickly, almost spilled that cup of precious water...

[Tom Servo]

Even Barbra Streisand is thinking "oh, honey, no..."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EacTUsoWsAII2qG?format=png&name=small

[Freude am Fahren]

Honestly, I don't make much of the ramp. He is over 70. And even that little run at the end did look surprisingly in control. I wouldn't expect most of his peers in Washington to look much different.

The water drinking on the other hand... Something ain't right with that.

[neanderthal]

Joe Biden went jogging down the street. Even ran backwards.

[MR2 Fan]

Joe Biden went jogging down the street. Even ran backwards.

Thankfully he seems in good shape, because he'll be 78 years old when he takes office, IF he lives through 2 terms he'd be 86, which is crazy

[Rare White Ape]

Regarding white supremacist use of the Punisher logo:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/11/how-do-you-stop-the-far-right-using-the-punisher-skull-make-it-a-black-lives-matter-symbol

And check out the links to some of the examples they give towards the end. They’re truly vomit-worthy :lol:

Especially this one. If anyone from inside America wants to see how people outside America see America, look no further:

https://www.gunshowtees.com/

Yee haw

[FaultyMario]

fou-oh-four'd

[Rare White Ape]

Shows up for me…

Not that it’s worth looking at anyway. Just a t-shirt shop filled with gun worship, 2A rights shit, and Obama hatred.

[Yw-slayer]

Thankfully he seems in good shape, because he'll be 78 years old when he takes office, IF he lives through 2 terms he'd be 86, which is crazy

Dr. Mahathir Mohammed is 94.

[George]

Joe Biden went jogging down the street. Even ran backwards.

Debates are boring. Let's kick it up a notch. You wanna be president? Get in the ring!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvREjfo1VQ

[FaultyMario]

Agree. But I'm under the general impression that most modern politicians are wusses.


In his mammoth of a biography of LBJ, Robert Caro mentions a couple of times that Johnson was so clumsy that in a couple of fights during his college years, he would go down with his back on the floor and he would start kicking into the air, like a little boy.

[MR2 Fan]

https://www.historyonthenet.com/presidential-fight-club

[George]

https://www.historyonthenet.com/presidential-fight-club

Excellent! I've seen that site before but haven't listened to the podcasts. I think I remember it's possible to click through the pages and see who the winners are, so beware of spoilers if you're a presidential history geek like me and want to hear the podcasts (someday, maybe - lots more interesting things to hear first).

Here's something fun amidst all the bad and sad news these days...

...well, I was going to post a video from YouTube but I can't find what I was looking for there. That may be a first in recent YouTube searching history.

What I was looking for is at nbc.com - one of the old Robert Smigel cartoons from Saturday Night Live called the X-Presidents. It's silly and NSFW, I suppose. As I recall, there were a few episodes. Here's one.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tv-funhouse-x-presidents/n11200

[G'day Mate]

I saw Sean Hannity wearing a Punisher pin and figured out it was a "Blue Lives Matter" thing. Didn't realise it was also a white supremacy thing ...

[G'day Mate]

Oh dear I googled it and ... is that a gadsden flag on the other side??

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVm17SaXkAA_lKc.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Gadsden? wasn't that the land the yanks stole from us? they didn't even have to threaten a war, IIRC.

[MR2 Fan]

So Trump is now replying to himself on twitter....that can't be a sign of any mental issues RIGHT? RIGHT???


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1272737867576590336

[Crazed_Insanity]

You better not try to answer your own question... here let me help you out... you’re so true... so true.

[Rikadyn]

https://i.redd.it/fn5hrgpevb551.jpg

[G'day Mate]

Ugh, claiming to be backed by a "silent majority" really shits me.

[The359]

The pins appear to be an American flag with the Presidential seal on it, and the crest of the CIA? Odd choices.

[G'day Mate]

Ah.

[neanderthal]

So Trump said there's an aids vaccine.


But Hillary would've been worse ... :Rolleyes

[Crazed_Insanity]

Okay. You were right man! Hindsight is always 2020...

Hey, it's 2020!

[FaultyMario]

Oh, billi, thanks for voting for Jill Stein.

Dissent is democratic. Conviction is a democratic value, albeit not one really worth much in a world of pragmatism.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, voting for Jill was simply a protest vote... If we never have COVID-19 and if I could go back in time, I would definitely protest again and vote 3rd party.

However, knowing what I know now, I do believe Hillary would've done a better job than Trump.

Still, it's not like my vote will matter. CA went for Hillary... and my vote further improving her popular vote wouldn't have made any difference...

[Rikadyn]

https://i.redd.it/3zpb1dwm7l551.jpg

[Tom Servo]

I was like 99% sure that had to be bullshit, but goddamn if it isn't real.

https://www.facebook.com/1771156219840594/posts/dangerous-mobs-of-far-left-groups-are-running-through-our-streets-and-causing-ab/2674044392885101/

[Crazed_Insanity]

Did you guys look in the comments section?

Couldn't find any Trump supporters... it's like only antifa commenters!

What's up with white supremacists? So afraid to talk publicly and need to wear a hood to cover up their orangeness... :lol:

I guess FB is "OK" with this as long as they don't actually put up a swastika in the post?

[Tom Servo]

FB is a dumpster fire when it comes to this stuff. Someone made a bot that repeated Trump's posts verbatim - his account got suspended for speech violating the terms of service while Trump's continues merrily along.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think at the moment, I'm willing to just let them wear the KKK hood as face coverings if that's the only thing they're willing to wear...

There are certainly some dumbass Trump supporters, but I can't believe Trump can win over majority of America with this kind of shit.

FB really need to do some soul searching if they continue to allow POTUS to post this kind of "subliminal" posts like that...

[Tom Servo]

I guess that's the one that finally got Facebook to do something, they've removed that post.

[sandydandy]

Expect to see the standard twatish tweeting response to Facebook from the Man-child in Chief.

I’m actually looking forward to seeing it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I guess that's the one that finally got Facebook to do something, they've removed that post.

Wow, Mark Suckerberg has finally grown some sense? I feel so hopeful!

Social media companies really need to realize that they bear social responsibilities... delete posts or banning the poster when necessary, even if it's the POTUS. Of course, they have to state clearly the reasons why such violators are deleted or banned.

Yes, people have the constitutional right for free speech, but lines need to be drawn clearly... even leaders of the free world shouldn't be allowed to cross. Trump definitely crossed the line there. WTF would be the reason for including that fucking triangle?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Actually, with a bit of googling... there is something called the antifa triangle...

https://www.redbubble.com/i/canvas-print/Antifa-Triangle-by-Joest24/40441759.5Y5V7#&gid=1&pid=2
https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,4535 98947

Maybe this could be a honest mistake? Or opportunity to play ignorant?

Just as who knew the OK hand gesture is now offensive because it's copted by WhitePower folks?

[sandydandy]

Mark Suckerberg :lol:

Yeah he finally grew some balls and took a break from playing both sides for the purpose of lining his pockets with gold.

[MR2 Fan]

so Trump is now more on record that he wants China to help him with his election (yes, it's illegal), but I'm wondering...does China want him to be re-elected? I can see that going two ways depending on what China wants.

[George]

I'm thinking China wants him to stay president. Anyone else might be competent. He obviously is not.

"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting him." -Sun Tzu

[FaultyMario]

Alternatively, "The Art of Fighting without fighting".

[The359]

China probably thinks they can get better deals out of the United States since any shit sandwich that Trump agrees to will be spun by him and his people as "The greatest ever" no matter how bad it is for the US.

[Crazed_Insanity]

so Trump is now more on record that he wants China to help him with his election (yes, it's illegal), but I'm wondering...does China want him to be re-elected? I can see that going two ways depending on what China wants.

I thought that was a misunderstanding or wishful thinking on Trumps part...

Democrats are usually friendlier with the CCP.

About the only thing I like about trump is that he would make a call to congratulate the Taiwan president to piss China off. No Democratic president would dare do that. Even Maverick has decided to remove the Taiwan flag on his flight jacket in order to gain access to the lucrative Chinese box office market.

[Tom Servo]

Actually, with a bit of googling... there is something called the antifa triangle...

https://www.redbubble.com/i/canvas-print/Antifa-Triangle-by-Joest24/40441759.5Y5V7#&gid=1&pid=2
https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,4535 98947

Maybe this could be a honest mistake? Or opportunity to play ignorant?

Just as who knew the OK hand gesture is now offensive because it's copted by WhitePower folks?

I saw that there was an attempt to make the red triangle thing be an antifa symbol by posting some design that some guy in Spain made as evidence that it's well known and widespread. The first link I couldn't find in the wayback machine, but it's a pretty tenuous link, as the triangle itself isn't red. The second one was created today, it's a brand new listing at least as far as wayback can tell. Pretty sure it's someone trying to make it a thing rather than an actual thing.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Wow, I had no idea there’s such a thing as a way back machine! :up:

I think the verdict is clear now. Thanks!

[Tom Servo]

For future reference, the wayback machine is at archive.org, here's the link to that cafepress item (which appears to have since been removed from the store): https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,4535 98947

[MR2 Fan]

If there wasn't a history of 3+ years of being mostly fascist policies and hiring the likes of Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, perhaps people would give them the benefit of the doubt

[MR2 Fan]

so yes, keep telling me how the ex-felons voting in Florida helps the GOP:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-appeal-felon-ruling-20200618-wmvl776lljb6ja43paynq2rtjm-story.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1bQlBMXjhqQrf_hM9UPWri1OMtNPGsFZnA_CgyR q93q0rFumM0tE4ttFY

[Crazed_Insanity]

Can we just make sure we can fairly get all regular citizens registered and be able to safely vote in a timely matter before we worry about the rights of ex-felons?

[Tom Servo]

I'd say no. Why should "regular" citizens get priority over ex-felons? They've paid their debt to society and have just as much of a right to vote as anyone else.

[FaultyMario]

Advantage: Servo.

[Crazed_Insanity]

If regular citizens are already being discriminated against by the color of their skin... and all tax paying voters are forced to stand in long lines to wait for hours due to lame voting processes on top of coronavirus...

What difference does it make whether ex-felons get to vote or not? They’ll probably get stuck and unable to vote like rest of them regular citizens.

Furthermore, voters are dumb enough already, will ex-felons really all of a sudden become wiser voters?

I personally don’t think everyone should get to keep their constitutional rights. If you’ve demonstrated that you could make poor enough judgements to land yourself in jail, then maybe you shouldn’t vote, shouldn’t own guns... if you truly cherish your rights, then you have to demonstrate some sense of responsibility... by not committing crimes for example.

I’m willing to help ex-felons to get back on their feet, but I won’t be wasting my time helping them gaining their right to vote. There are other more important improvements we could be making 1st.

Anyway, this issue is one of the few I disagree with Bernie:
https://www.newsweek.com/felons-vote-democrat-bernie-sanders-1404728?amp=1

Bottom line is that I think we have other more important stuffs to fix than ex-felon voting rights.

[Rare White Ape]

I’ve been following antifa for a while and I’ve never seen any symbol in the shape of an inverted triangle. They’ve always been round.

[FaultyMario]

Didn't a security guard just gun down a black dude in Tulsa?

[Tom Servo]

If regular citizens are already being discriminated against by the color of their skin... and all tax paying voters are forced to stand in long lines to wait for hours due to lame voting processes on top of coronavirus...

What difference does it make whether ex-felons get to vote or not? They’ll probably get stuck and unable to vote like rest of them regular citizens.

Furthermore, voters are dumb enough already, will ex-felons really all of a sudden become wiser voters?

I personally don’t think everyone should get to keep their constitutional rights. If you’ve demonstrated that you could make poor enough judgements to land yourself in jail, then maybe you shouldn’t vote, shouldn’t own guns... if you truly cherish your rights, then you have to demonstrate some sense of responsibility... by not committing crimes for example.

I’m willing to help ex-felons to get back on their feet, but I won’t be wasting my time helping them gaining their right to vote. There are other more important improvements we could be making 1st.

Anyway, this issue is one of the few I disagree with Bernie:
https://www.newsweek.com/felons-vote-democrat-bernie-sanders-1404728?amp=1

Bottom line is that I think we have other more important stuffs to fix than ex-felon voting rights.



Sorry Billi, I'm actually actively annoyed at this. We often find that felons tend to fall along racial lines, potentially due to an unjust system. Also, they're all tax-payers as well, it's not like being an ex-felon exempts you from taxes.

What difference does it make? Well, for one, if it is an unjust system. Say a system that proportionately jailed more black men than any other based on a flawed war on drugs. If we make the felons of that system less able to vote, that perpetuates the same system that may have put them there in the first place. It's almost the textbook definition of systemic racism.

Also, I'm surprised that of all people that you basically don't seem to believe in redemption. The man who used to be about the System and who is now about Jesus doesn't believe that ex-felons can be just as good of people and just as worthy of listening to? If you made one mistake, even if it is something that you couldn't attribute to an unjust system, that you are forever flawed and lesser in the eyes of the republic?

MLK Jr. spent a fair bit of time behind bars. Admittedly, he was acquitted of the one felony charge, but he was convicted of numerous crimes and was jailed over 30 times. Should he have had his right to vote be a secondary thought to all the "regular" people?

[Rikadyn]

I’ve been following antifa for a while and I’ve never seen any symbol in the shape of an inverted triangle. They’ve always been round.

Since the 30s at least

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sorry Billi, I'm actually actively annoyed at this. We often find that felons tend to fall along racial lines, potentially due to an unjust system. Also, they're all tax-payers as well, it's not like being an ex-felon exempts you from taxes.

What difference does it make? Well, for one, if it is an unjust system. Say a system that proportionately jailed more black men than any other based on a flawed war on drugs. If we make the felons of that system less able to vote, that perpetuates the same system that may have put them there in the first place. It's almost the textbook definition of systemic racism.

Also, I'm surprised that of all people that you basically don't seem to believe in redemption. The man who used to be about the System and who is now about Jesus doesn't believe that ex-felons can be just as good of people and just as worthy of listening to? If you made one mistake, even if it is something that you couldn't attribute to an unjust system, that you are forever flawed and lesser in the eyes of the republic?

MLK Jr. spent a fair bit of time behind bars. Admittedly, he was acquitted of the one felony charge, but he was convicted of numerous crimes and was jailed over 30 times. Should he have had his right to vote be a secondary thought to all the "regular" people?

If our justice system is That corrupt, you are putting in the effort to allow ex-felons to vote? Why?

Shouldn’t we spend the effort or fight the corrupt justice system 1st?

We have a justice system that jails MLKs unjustly in jail and you really think it’s super important that we ensure him voting rights after he got out? What the hell will such rights give them? Shouldn’t we be prioritizing fixing the justice system 1st?

This is as if fighting for African Americans to vote when slavery isn’t outlawed yet.

Consider how low voter turn out is in the US, do you really believe voting right is on top of ex-felon’s minds? This fight is basically all politicized BS. We have much worthwhile causes to fight for... such as our fucked up criminal justice system.

Lastly, regarding redemption, I’m not God, I can’t see people’s heart. If you are a convicted child molester, forgive me if I can’t trust you to babysit my kid. If you are a convicted drunk driver, forgive me if I won’t lend you my car.

Even if you were wrongly convicted.

How would I know for sure you’ve truly repented? How could I know for sure you were wrongly convicted? I’m willing to help you when you are in need, but excuse me if I have doubts about your judgment.

We can have reservations about judgments of average conservative voters, why can’t I have doubts about average ex-felon’s judgments?

I won’t fight for or against on this issue, I just thought it’s a stupid political fight.

[Tom Servo]

Well, if our justice system is corrupt, why would you take away the power to change it from the victims of it? Our government is based on the idea that you can vote to change the system, if you take away that voice from a certain subset of people, what are they supposed to do? Who's going to fix a corrupt justice system if the people victimized by it don't have the same voice as those doing the victimizing?

I honestly don't know how to parse what you said about MLK. I think it's vitally important that he would have been assured voting rights. That's ideally how you change things in this country! How do you expect these things to change if the people it matters the most to don't get to have their say?

We, as a nation, jail a huge number of people per capita in for-profit prisons. The people who run the prisons not only get the right to vote, but have inordinate power to shape policy their way. The people they imprison should at least get the same right to vote.

I just...I don't know how you expect the justice system to be fixed if you also are putting the rights of those potentially victimized by it on the back-burner.

[FaultyMario]

Game, set, match for Servo.

[Crazed_Insanity]

As far as I know, criminal justice system from police to judges to prisons are not voted in place.

Besides having a corrupt criminal justice system, we have a pretty corrupted voting system too. We can’t even vote the bought by the rich politicians out of office now!

Our voting power is basically illusory for all of us. We usually just end up with either a right or left establishment politician that won’t do jack to reform our system nor will they actually listen to will of the voters. Trump has been a rare exception, but he has proven to be the most evil of all evils... regardless of whether he’s the result of foreign meddling or dumb voters, we voters basically have much less control than the corporations.

Point is, I don’t believe fighting for ex-felons’ voting rights will change anything and I don’t think it deserves bandwidth that occupies our current news cycle.

Anyway, this is just my opinion. We don’t have to agree and I don’t even have to win.




I just...I don't know how you expect the justice system to be fixed if you also are putting the rights of those potentially victimized by it on the back-burner.

I don’t know, but I think people are pushing it hard now and we seem to have a shot at it at this moment.

If we can let all prisoners vote in prison, do you really believe that will have a better chance of us getting real reform?

Who can we vote for to get true reform? Biden? Pretty much the architect or our current criminal justice system?

I have little faith in my votes. Hopefully BLM movement can really stir up some genuine reform...

[Rare White Ape]

https://i.imgflip.com/45qiph.jpg

[Yw-slayer]

https://i.imgflip.com/45qiph.jpg

Agree Agree

[Tom Servo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbAHFULXgAEGyhf?format=jpg&name=large

[Leon]

It's a remarkable achievement for old bone-spurs.

[FaultyMario]

You guys agree that we disband the UN security council, and welcome, for one, our new Kiwi overlords?

[JoshInKC]

Agree. But I'm under the general impression that most modern politicians are wusses.


In his mammoth of a biography of LBJ, Robert Caro mentions a couple of times that Johnson was so clumsy that in a couple of fights during his college years, he would go down with his back on the floor and he would start kicking into the air, like a little boy.

Love those Caro books - The absolute best presidential biographies in existence. I hope to christ that he's quarantined well - I need them to finish.

[Rare White Ape]

Here's a presidential memoir that could be worth a read.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GvO7vDn-whr4Os7KZAOxiW4GW1gckjUb/view?fbclid=IwAR3tITxyNAV353us29BGr0z7zCarKHbJpmaY 4wbkW9yMEq8R6dMyQLyzzeI

[FaultyMario]

It sounds to me that Trump admitted to negligent manslaughter during his rally in Tulsa. Now, I would suspect that American law protects the president from criminal charges derived from his decisions in office.

But, could someone (or her family) seek civil restitution if she proved that she contracted covid as a direct result of Trump ordering "his people" to "slow down the testing"? Could a class action law suit be pinned to his statements in the Tulsa rally?

[Tom Servo]

There are a lot of times I wish Ted was my congressperson: https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1274802232009953280

[MR2 Fan]

It's funny to me how Joe Biden doesn't have to do anything, all he has to do is just say something any normal sane human being would be in favor of.

[MR2 Fan]

Here's a presidential memoir that could be worth a read.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GvO7vDn-whr4Os7KZAOxiW4GW1gckjUb/view?fbclid=IwAR3tITxyNAV353us29BGr0z7zCarKHbJpmaY 4wbkW9yMEq8R6dMyQLyzzeI


it says it's in violation of terms and service

[Tom Servo]

It was Bolton's book as a PDF, got pulled down once they realized someone had uploaded it.

[MR2 Fan]

ah, I'm sure it will show up in other places

[G'day Mate]

Has that thing hit the shelves yet, or did we already hear all the good bits ahead of the release?

[G'day Mate]

Oh, Tuesday is it? I thought it was coming out over the weekend for some reason.

[Jason]

The PDF is all over the place, no one wants to pay Bolton for this. They want the scoop, but everyone is super pissed at him for not testifying under oath, so fuck his profits.

[G'day Mate]

Will the media play a straight bat though and keep reporting to the official excerpts for now, or is all the "good stuff" already out there? (although they have advanced copies, I don't think I've heard anything outside the excerpts yet ...)

[Crazed_Insanity]

The PDF is all over the place, no one wants to pay Bolton for this. They want the scoop, but everyone is super pissed at him for not testifying under oath, so fuck his profits.

That's right... no Trump supporters gonna buy it... and it'd be crazy for any none conservatives to want to buy it...

The guy really should have spilled the beans during impeachment trial.

Now we'll never know if he didn't do it because he was still friends with Trump or still negotiating something with Trump or because his stories are just simply not true...

Either way, I have no intention of giving the guy any of my money. I'll just let media give us the scoops.

[FaultyMario]

The guy really should have spilled the beans during impeachment trial.

Individualistic type refuses to forego a money-making opportunity! More news at eleven.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I thought I read somewhere saying that he said he will write in another republican candidate on his ballot because he thought Trump is just not good for the country...

Anyway, if that is truly what he thought, he should've testified. Since he didn't, there can only be 2 possible reasons... 1) yours 2) his book is just fabricated therefore could never be said under any kind of oaths.

Just out of curiosity, I do wonder if books or memoirs could legally be used as testimonies in courts later on? Probably not, right?

[FaultyMario]

I thought someone had posted here the story of how the WH guy who was put in charge of vetting Bolton's manuscript for classified information had never vetted anything and was given a 1-day crash course by the intel guys.

Must be around, it was by one major media outlet.

[MR2 Fan]

Our (Florida) governor is such a moron, no wonder he's such a fan of Trump:

Amid surge in Florida COVID-19 cases, Fla. Gov. DeSantis changed guidelines for ICU reporting. He doesn't want hospitals to report the number of patients in ICU beds. He only wants hospitals to report number of patients in ICU beds who require an “intensive level of care.”

[Dicknose]

So dont count people who vacation at the hospital resort and get an upgrade to an ICU bed!!!

[G'day Mate]

Why are people in ICU beds if they don't require intensive care?

[MR2 Fan]

Why are people in ICU beds if they don't require intensive care?

they aren't...that's the point

[MR2 Fan]

I support the protests but not sure what the point of trying to set up these "autonomous zones" is

[G'day Mate]

they aren't...that's the point

I assume you mean "aren't in beds if they don't ..."

So what's the Governor trying to do? How would this affect anything?

[MR2 Fan]

I assume you mean "aren't in beds if they don't ..."

So what's the Governor trying to do? How would this affect anything?

That's what we're asking ourselves!

[G'day Mate]

Got it :lol:

[JoshInKC]

I support the protests but not sure what the point of trying to set up these "autonomous zones" is

I'm still not entirely caught up with the news, but I would suspect that they are an attempt to keep the cops out in order to allow for continued public demonstrations.
As a greater and longer-term goal, they could be trying to establish a Catalunya revolucionària (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia)-style territory.
Alternatively, they could just be trying to promote the RPG Shadowrun, which was centered in Seattle and had a number of "autonomous zones."

[Yw-slayer]

It's also possible that they are trying to Liberate Seattle because they have 5 Demands, Not 1 Less.

[Rikadyn]

I'm still not entirely caught up with the news, but I would suspect that they are an attempt to keep the cops out in order to allow for continued public demonstrations.
As a greater and longer-term goal, they could be trying to establish a Catalunya revolucionària (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia)-style territory.
Alternatively, they could just be trying to promote the RPG Shadowrun, which was centered in Seattle and had a number of "autonomous zones."

Or recreate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_68

[FaultyMario]

I support the protests but not sure what the point of trying to set up these "autonomous zones" is

You can't really be sure what the aim for a utopian project like CHAZ is, unless you're part of it; but they're mostly learning experiences in self-government. Social movements offer unique opportunities to experiment with human behavior, since there are really no experiments on human subjects that can accurately circumvent the artificialities placed by outside observers (not to mention the whole ethical aspect of testing people's responses to real-life situations).

So, in short, the people in CHAZ are trying to figure out ways to live outside the Modern World System. Some hope to use the lessons learned to design a reform plan that can be applied broadly and other are simply testing the system's boundaries.

Intelligence services usually let those utopias run their course because they are valuable means to test their analysis frameworks and they help them develop counter measures.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's also possible that they are trying to Liberate Seattle because they have 5 Demands, Not 1 Less.

Yes, but the US government will act like CCP to eventually dismantle HK... no I meant Seattle's CHAZ in order to restore order.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-dismantle-chaz-protest-zone

I think it's pretty clear that US has absolutely no moral leadership in any areas..., our only lead over the CCP is that we don't have a dictator... yet.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Or recreate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_68

That's interesting... haven't paid much attention to French history...

So do you believe that May68 revolution changed France for the better? That sounded like a revolution Bernie was going to lead in US... hopefully not as violent...

[FaultyMario]

68 changed the world, dude. The World.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Sorry, was too busy studying the vietnam war, assasination of MLK and R. Kennedy to pay much attention to some revolution at France! :p

Notable US achievements also include introduction of 747 and orbiting the moon!

What a strange year... kinda like this one...

[FaultyMario]

https://video-images.vice.com/articles/595b88060af2032392ac77f3/lede/1499170882760-CHARLIE.jpeg

IT'S ALL CONNECTED, MAN.

[Jason]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans-exclus/exclusive-republican-former-u-s-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN23U2LY?utm_source=reddit.com

This, imo, is pretty big news. Not only has Biden gotten support from progressives early on, now he's getting support from National Security Conservatives. Talk about a wide tent.

[MR2 Fan]

allow me to vent for a moment :)

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1275567239517868033


"The President uses the term “Kung Flu” again and says “COVID, COVID-19, COVID, I said what’s the 19. COVID-19, some people can’t explain the 19.”"

ITS THE FUCKING YEAR IT WAS DISCOVERED YOU FUCKING MORONIC PIECE OF SHIT IMBECILE!!!

[Crazed_Insanity]

allow me to vent for a moment :)

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1275567239517868033


"The President uses the term “Kung Flu” again and says “COVID, COVID-19, COVID, I said what’s the 19. COVID-19, some people can’t explain the 19.”"

ITS THE FUCKING YEAR IT WAS DISCOVERED YOU FUCKING MORONIC PIECE OF SHIT IMBECILE!!!

Look, I’m the smilie expert here. I believe you are venting with the wrong smilie.

Can we make a Bruce Lee kongfuing some ass smilie for venting purposes?

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans-exclus/exclusive-republican-former-u-s-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN23U2LY?utm_source=reddit.com

This, imo, is pretty big news. Not only has Biden gotten support from progressives early on, now he's getting support from National Security Conservatives. Talk about a wide tent.

I'm happy to see Trump lose support. However, I'm hoping Biden will actually do something to light something on fire within me eventually.

I believe status quo was broken. Trump and the virus and the stupid cops completely crushed what was broken now... so hopefully Biden admin will be able to figure out how to replace all the broken stuff with something new and better... fingers crossed.

[neanderthal]

People like billi need to read this fucking Twitter thread. The whole thread.

https://twitter.com/CarmenTS/status/1275864893472878595?s=19

Print it out, post it on your wall, and read it every fucking day.

<edit> Start paying extra close attention at tweet #12 and 13 about the diversity of the Democratic side of the political divide.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Excuse me sir!

There’s a reason why I have a negative impression of establishment and black people have a positive impression of the establishment...

It’s because we are not talking about the same thing!

Anyway, my consolation prize will be the combined efforts of blacks and the progressives in congressional races...

Democratic establishment needs to be reformed somehow otherwise BLM movement will go nowhere...

[MR2 Fan]

wow, this guy is serious


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sazcZ8wwZc

[Jason]

However, I'm hoping Biden will actually do something to light something on fire within me eventually.

Biden has the support of Sanders, Yang, and Warren. I'm not going to write up a wall of text on the many logical reasons Biden is a better choice than Trump, it's not worth my time. But iirc, you supported Sanders and Yang, and were "ok" with Warren, correct? If they are supporting Biden, then why is Biden not good enough for you?

[neanderthal]

"The right exists as an adult oppositional defiance club.
There is zero chance the right wing will self isolate on a separate platform because their entire identity is based on throwing tantrums towards the left."

Damn.

Context. https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1276140129946603521?s=19

I love following such intelligent people who are so precise with language, that they can compare the right wing to a toddler and be accurate. Not a gross mischaracterisation, orparody, or caricature.


The right, of late, exists just to goad the left.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Biden has the support of Sanders, Yang, and Warren. I'm not going to write up a wall of text on the many logical reasons Biden is a better choice than Trump, it's not worth my time. But iirc, you supported Sanders and Yang, and were "ok" with Warren, correct? If they are supporting Biden, then why is Biden not good enough for you?

I am going to vote for him, but just not enthusiastically.

[Crazed_Insanity]

"The right exists as an adult oppositional defiance club.
There is zero chance the right wing will self isolate on a separate platform because their entire identity is based on throwing tantrums towards the left."

Damn.

Context. https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/status/1276140129946603521?s=19

I love following such intelligent people who are so precise with language, that they can compare the right wing to a toddler and be accurate. Not a gross mischaracterisation, orparody, or caricature.


The right, of late, exists just to goad the left.

I think that kind of attitude is a bit too self centered... to think that others exist just to annoy you?

Anyway, on the flip side, they're being selfish too. So I think that's good that they have this setup... just as alternative facts... this alternative twitter... and hopefully they can have alternative facebook... alternative healthcare insurance, alternative counties...

I guess it's better that people just isolate and hide in their bubbles and therefore end up ensuring their speech can be censored within their bubbles so people outside don't see or hear them.

Setting up these polarizing bubbles should be better than having a civil war I guess... people are free to not wear masks inside those bubbles and should they require hospital care, please go to hospitals and the morgues within those bubbles...

People are just different. Perhaps the only way to embrace such diversity is to have these bubbles.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Something’s broken with the way our society makes sense of reality. You may have first noticed it if you were blindsided by the news about Brexit, or the election of Donald Trump. Or maybe it was the Jeffrey Epstein saga that’s triggered your alarm bells. You’re not alone. Increasingly, lots of people are starting to sense that our existing institutions may not be up to the task of uncovering the truth.

Why is our existing sense-making system starting to crack?

What might be able to replace it?
https://www.nickdewilde.com/the-blue-church-vs-the-red-religion-the-battle-for-how-we-make-sense/

Just recently learned about this concept of 'blue church and red religion'... I thought they are pretty interesting metaphors describing how each of the blue side and red side find their truth... the author explained what works and how they could go wrong...

To use my own metaphor..., I believe our world is so wrong today is because we're increasingly relying on just the "churches" or "religions", but have forgotten about the "Jesus".

Yes, the red religion crowd are dumbasses who'd refuse vaccines and masks...

But, the blue church side is kinda fucked up too. We had no idea what Jeff Epstein was up to and we couldn't even prosecute him properly... Isn't it also amazing that WHO and CDC couldn't figure out whether if we need masks or not early on during the pandemic?

Both sides need to fix themselves rather than just blaming the other side.

[neanderthal]

So, racism in other words. Like I've been saying all this time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/06/racial-anxiety-is-a-huge-driver-of-support-for-donald-trump-two-new-studies-find/

[Tom Servo]

But, the blue religion side is kinda fucked up too. We had no idea what Jeff Epstein was up to and we couldn't even prosecute him properly...


Maybe not the best example. Alexander Acosta is a Republican who was the US Attorney that approved a plea deal for Epstein back in 2007-2008. This all came to light and he eventually got arrested again due to an in depth investigation in the Miami Herald, a paper that has been recently described as "fake news" due to their reporting on how wrong Ron DeSantis was about COVID-19 in May.

[neanderthal]

Maybe not the best example. Alexander Acosta is a Republican who was the US Attorney that approved a plea deal for Epstein back in 2007-2008. This all came to light and he eventually got arrested again due to an in depth investigation in the Miami Herald, a paper that has been recently described as "fake news" due to their reporting on how wrong Ron DeSantis was about COVID-19 in May.

He stays "good people on both sides- ing" everything. Tiresome is an understatement.

[neanderthal]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-republicans-exclus/exclusive-republican-former-u-s-national-security-officials-to-back-biden-idUSKBN23U2LY?utm_source=reddit.com

This, imo, is pretty big news. Not only has Biden gotten support from progressives early on, now he's getting support from National Security Conservatives. Talk about a wide tent.

Indeed.

I wonder how they'll vote down ballot. :rolleyes: Oh, ... that's just my inner cynic speaking. Ignore him.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Point was that it is our ‘established institutions’ that allowed Epstein to not only go free for so long, but to also prevent further investigations after he was caught.

The pizzagate conspiracy was quite off, but they sure got the sex trafficking part correct.

Anyway, back to the mask debate. WHO and CDC certainly did not help the issue.

Our ‘established institutions’ are corrupted. We can continue to blame the other side, but that’s be like Trump blaming our own fuckedupness on China. We need to focus on fixing our problems 1st.

In today’s environment, I don’t think anyone really wants to fix their own problems.

One of the main reason why I’m not enthusiastic about Biden is that, although he’ll be gazillion times better than trump, he has been part of that established institution for so long... as one of the chief architect of our current day criminal justice system, will BLM really be resolved under his admin?

I hope so.

[Crazed_Insanity]

He stays "good people on both sides- ing" everything. Tiresome is an understatement.

Just out of curiosity, will you end up picking a side between the black centrist/establishment candidates or the black progressive candidates?

Do we absolutely have to pick a side? Can't we just work together to improve what wasn't working?

Likewise, is it really not possible for liberals and conservatives work together? Do we really need to look at our neighbors with politically opposing views as mortal enemies? We shouldn't be turning in one direction only. Forward is the way to go.

[neanderthal]

Trump and republican governors have asked the supreme court to invalidate Obamacare.


But Hillary would've have been worse ... (Do we have a smiley for HARD roll eyes?)

https://twitter.com/sangerkatz/status/1276245091468836864?s=19

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not really sure who really care about Obamacare at this point.

Trump and the republicans could also continue the wall building to keep the rest of the world safe... so yeah, we also need to get Canadians to pay for their walls... :p

[Crazed_Insanity]

CA governors, from both parties, come together to encourage Californians to please not be stupid...

So yeah, it should be possible for different ideologies to work together!


https://youtu.be/wMydOvlqcck

[Tom Servo]

Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump’s Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes: The Complete Listing (So Far):
Atrocities 1-759 (https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-759)

[MR2 Fan]

Glad there's an ongoing list to keep track! and I know this doesn't even include his thousands of horrendous tweets

[Tom Servo]

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says ("https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html?referringSource=articleShare"[/URL)


The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House's National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the official said...the White House has yet to authorize any response

[FaultyMario]

And Donnie was briefed about it and still pushed for Russia to be readmitted into G8.

[MR2 Fan]

DEATH CULT

Trump campaign intervened to *remove* thousands of social-distancing stickers from Tulsa rally arena.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/politics/9409901/trump-tulsa-rally-removed-coronavirus-distance-stickers?utm_campaign=2020-06-26&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_term=biz_breakingnews&fbclid=IwAR0CVbyNkCoVzzjjsNjjSINT-VI0s-wUA5SmW-XD0GPJo4WSHlaQzJt7kHY

[neanderthal]

All of the above and cunts were saying Hillary would be worse!

And don't forget the enabling behaviour by the GOP. All the treasonous shit they ignored and enabled. No fucking backbone in any. one. of. them. I saw a post from a veteran who was medevaced from Afghanistan along with other injured veterans saying not one fucking Republican politician or voter can thank her for her service ever again.

And no, Mitch joining a Black Lives Matter rally doesn't fucking count.

Fuck the entire GOP and their supporters. Fuck every one of you fuckers who didn't vote for Hillary.

[FaultyMario]

Hillary would have been worse for us in the global south.

[Jason]

Hillary would have been worse for us in the global south.

Very curious as to why you think that

[FaultyMario]

Because the particular brand of American Neoliberalism that shaped the Bush-Clinton era –which Trump's opposition to is probably his only clear ideological pillar– was an absolute nightmare to even the most sensible left-leaning electoral projects that rose up around the world in the last 35 years. In Latin America, Asia, Africa and former Soviet republics, at the slightest hint of a political victory for a coalition of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, homegrown actors... boom! came the intervention: first softly by intellectual/foreign aid means, then mildly with economic measures and pressures and lastly with full violence.

The Neoliberal Democrats are no friends of us chocolate people. And Hillary was particularly adept at interfering in OPPs.

[Rare White Ape]

On this subject, Mario is correct.

I wish I was more read-up on it to authoritatively state why, but Hillary would’ve been bad foreign policy ju-ju for small countries in various hot spots.

For all his chest thumping, Trump hasn’t actually deployed an army anywhere, I don’t think. The last two Democrat presidents did, and it’s highly likely that Biden would too if he makes it in.

On any other measure of performance, Trump is fucked. Fucked I tells ya.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Very curious as to why you think that

I waited til Mario to answer that, just so that people won’t think what I said as BS.

Jason, do you really believe America acts like captain America?

If our own police can brutalized dark skin Americans, why would our awesome military(pentagon/cia) have incentives to behave otherwise?

9/11 was a form of protest against Americans. It’s was NOT a very good way of protest just as looting the stores, but it’s not like the Arabs could peacefully protests the US.

The “establishment”, not the black establishment, has plenty of interests to protect around the world. The dark skinned little people usually will end up getting run over as result...

The establishment is bipartisan. That’s why from a foreigner’s perspective, Obama admin was really not that different from W Admin.

Supposedly Bernie was going to revolt against it, but sadly he failed. Trump was a faux antiestablishment candidate. He doesn’t care to serve the establishment, he wants to BE the ‘establishment’.

Point is we can’t afford to allow the elite to corrupt our institutions. Most of our politicians are mere puppets serving the establishment rather than serving the people.

This is why I’m not enthusiastic about Biden. However, for sure Trump is way more fucked up... so he has to go.

[neanderthal]

In case you're wondering, the most important thing we MUST DO is we win the trifecta, is make Puerto Rico and DC states.

Above Medicare for all. Above ratifying the voting rights act. Above chopping down citizens United.

We must make Puerto Rico and DC states.


Think about it.

[JoshInKC]

Yeah, Trump is too distracted by the white nationalists he's surrounded himself with and domestic issues to be as big a danger overseas as he'd like. As it stands, he's pretty much only a major threat to those inside the US's borders - though I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to drum up a nice foreign war by october. Long-term Hillary would have been a much bigger issue for the global south.* The Trump admin is undoubtedly more evil than either clinton, but he's way more incompetent.



*Assuming there is a long-term that is.

[MR2 Fan]

So the inevitable happened, someone (civilian) started shooting peaceful protestors in Louisville today, they were protesting to have the police who murdered Breonna Taylor.

5 people injured, 1 dead so far according to eyewitness reports :smh:

[Rare White Ape]

Must've been someone who thought that all lives matter.

[Rare White Ape]

I just read that Turn 10 is banning any depictions of the confederate flag in their Forza games, following NASCAR's ban of the flag at races. Hopefully Polyphony follows-suit in GT Sport.

[Crazed_Insanity]

In case you're wondering, the most important thing we MUST DO is we win the trifecta, is make Puerto Rico and DC states.

Above Medicare for all. Above ratifying the voting rights act. Above chopping down citizens United.

We must make Puerto Rico and DC states.


Think about it.

If you’re thinking more blue states the better, I just have to disagree.

We need to improve American lives 1st. Democrats winning won’t solve our problems!

George Floyd killers will likely get their jobs back not because of racists, but because of powerful police union!

The most militarized police departments are in LA and NY!

Regardless of who’s in the WH or congress or the Supreme Court, the usual democrats ain’t gonna change those things..., but who knows. Maybe Biden and Kamala will eventually realize they serve the people.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/27/i-opposed-taking-woodrow-wilsons-name-off-our-school-heres-why-i-changed-my-mind/?outputType=amp

Princeton wants to dump Wilson’s name from the school...

Wilson was not just a former US president who has fairly high overall ranking, but also a president of the university itself who probably made Princeton famous!

My daughter’s elementary school is named after him. I myself attended a Wilson middle school...

However, the dude was a racist though...

Personally, I don’t think we should drop his name as the confederate flag, just as I’m not sure it’s fair to judge the movie Gone with the wind using today’s standards...

We ought to just be honest with our history, not to forget about the shitty things a dude has done, but also not to forget about a dude’s achievements just because of the shitty things that he’s done. After all, who in this world is perfect?

[neanderthal]

So the inevitable happened, someone (civilian) started shooting peaceful protestors in Louisville today, they were protesting to have the police who murdered Breonna Taylor.

5 people injured, 1 dead so far according to eyewitness reports :smh:


Must've been someone who thought that all lives matter.

:smh:

And I bet the Venn diagram between those who believe all lives matter, 2nd amendment nuts, and those who refuse to wear a mask is a goddamn circle.

[neanderthal]

I'm still blown by the fact that police were refusing to go do their jobs and calling in sick and resigning en masse from special units, just because we asked them to demanded they stop killing us.

Mind fucking blown.

[drew]

Fucking. Legend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ryIztqI5g&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0roEEGGAPou9ulNWno4Ni0mXUSyWww66FaIRvWr R4wwG0RIK4WpsBHUts

[neanderthal]

Watch the media completely forget/ ignore that Trump did nothing about Russia offering bounties on American serviceman, all because he retweeted some idiot saying "white power." something stupid.

:rolleyes:

[Crazed_Insanity]

If poll numbers don't improve, Trump just might decide to move out of the WH all on his own! :lol:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fragile-mood-may-drop-152718908.html

[George]

If poll numbers don't improve, Trump just might decide to move out of the WH all on his own! :lol:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-fragile-mood-may-drop-152718908.html

Wow. Wouldn't that be something.


"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President."

The next day, his approval ratings increased from 36 percent to 49 percent.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson#1968_presidential_election

[Crazed_Insanity]

Holy crap! Hope that doesn't happen. :|

[MR2 Fan]

I think it's becoming clear that Trump is finally becoming a MAJOR liability to the GOP, his 25-30% of diehard supporters aren't enough and I think there's finally enough of evidence out there that could keep some of them away from the "batshit" edge.

I also think there's a natural reaction people have when pushed, even when they know Trump is wrong they won't admit it to others, but they will to themselves.

This latest Russian bounty scandal PLUS the COVID shit? He's going down fast

[SportWagon]

Suppose the Ford Motor Company were to decide to rename itself (and therefore its products) because of certain unpalatable characteristics of its founder.

What would be a suitable new name?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Specific Motors as oppose to the other competition being way too general... :p

[G'day Mate]

I suppose that would be quite progressive of them, so Forward Motors?

[George]

Suppose the Ford Motor Company were to decide to rename itself (and therefore its products) because of certain unpalatable characteristics of its founder.

What would be a suitable new name?

Well, they're very American, right? Consider classics such as Models T and A and the Mustang and the F-150 and on and on...

How about American Motors? ;)

[George]

I suppose that would be quite progressive of them, so Forward Motors?

That's pretty good. :up:

[G'day Mate]

Actually, I just realised that with different accents we might say "forward" differently. For Australians, "ford" and "forward" and pretty much homophones, which was the main point of my joke

[Rikadyn]

Suppose the Ford Motor Company were to decide to rename itself (and therefore its products) because of certain unpalatable characteristics of its founder.

What would be a suitable new name?

Volkswagen

[MR2 Fan]

Another disadvantage Trump has...a much larger majority of people are voting to remove him from office than voting for Biden.

On the other hand, people who voted for Trump last time because they really hated Hillary don't have much in the way of scandals for Biden, despite Trump's failed attempts to pin things on him.

Biden isn't a socialist like Bernie (Democratic socialist or not, conservative voters don't care), so they can't pin that too easily on him either.

[G'day Mate]

Our (Florida) governor is such a moron, no wonder he's such a fan of Trump:

Amid surge in Florida COVID-19 cases, Fla. Gov. DeSantis changed guidelines for ICU reporting. He doesn't want hospitals to report the number of patients in ICU beds. He only wants hospitals to report number of patients in ICU beds who require an “intensive level of care.”

Has all that got something to do with this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIktRC-Rxrg

[Crazed_Insanity]

That seems like more of a political battle to me. Whether or not to include non-residents deaths is a judgement call...

And I guess this video shine light, at least to me, on why they've changed the metrics to report just the ICU patients and not the beds.

Personally I think it's good to know now many beds are available and based on that info to make the call whether to shutdown or not... however, actual patient would probably be more indicative of actual trend.

Anyway, basically this all comes down to how one dice and slice the data and how one interprets the data...

Are florida officials really deleting data like the CCP? Maybe, I don't know..., but at least our whistleblowers won't be arrested... or smart and free enough to flee to Russia... ;)

[21Kid]

I suppose that would be quite progressive of them, so Forward Motors?

That's pretty good. :up:

Agreed. :up:

[Rikadyn]

Biden isn't a socialist like Bernie (Democratic socialist or not, conservative voters don't care), so they can't pin that too easily on him either.

The 8yrs of Obama prove that doesn't matter

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, democrats, socialists, Democratic socialists, communists, Muslims... it’s not like they can really tell the difference.

[MR2 Fan]

in less important politics/sports news, FedEx, who sponsors the field the Washington Redskins play on, has asked the team to change their name.

I'm fine with changing the name, but wonder what they'd go with. I think they should keep the colors at least

[Jason]

It's long overdue. I like the Washington Warriors name personally, but I've seen a lot of push for Washington Pigskins heh.

[Rare White Ape]

Allen's Confectionary has announced a name change for the Redskins and Chocco lollies that they produce.

It resulted in much anger about woke lefties on social media.

I mean, that's who I vote for; woke lefty cuck political parties. I lap that shit up.

For two reasons:

1. They align with my personal ethical, moral, political and economic values.

2. It upsets right-wingers.

[G'day Mate]

So are we going to see some tax returns soon or what?

[JSGeneral]

So are we going to see some tax returns soon or what?

The Washington Tax Returns has a nice ring to it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

:lol:

[neanderthal]

Saw a T shirt yesterday, said "make Orwell fiction again" and I felt seen.

[FaultyMario]

Thing is, he never wrote fiction.

Fictionalized accounts, yes.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, fictional accounts that seemed so real... especially in your political enemies...; however, we don't usually see it in ourselves.


Orwell’s own name inspired an adjective, “Orwellian,” which is widely used in modern political rhetoric, albeit often inappropriately. It’s usually our enemies who are acting Orwellian, and it’s a testament to Orwell’s talents that everyone seems to think “1984” is about their political opponents.

The political left sees plenty of Orwellian tendencies in the White House and the criminal justice system. The political right bemoans “thought police” on college campuses and social media companies turning users into “unpersons.”

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/seventy-years-later-its-still-1984?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9pXMq-2x6gIVVD6tBh2WwgYsEAAYASAAEgKONvD_BwE

[FaultyMario]

Can you imagine what would happen if 160 workers had died in an workplace accident in California? It would be a global scandal...
Well it happened in Myanmar, at a jade mine and they're still looking for bodies: (https://twitter.com/pablocollada/status/1279115409694896129?s=20)

[Rare White Ape]

Dead workers is the price of capitalism. Has been for centuries, don'tcha know?

Here, don't worry about that - take your mind off it and watch this instead: Trump did something silly in the press yesterday. Ha ha ha. Chortle!

I wonder who owns those mining sites.

[Jason]

Americans have never cared about what happens to people outside of America

[neanderthal]

Thing is, he never wrote fiction.

Fictionalized accounts, yes.

Literally, his most famous writing is Animal Farm. A book about talking animals that rebel against their farmer.

If that isn't fiction ...

[mk]

Americans have never cared about what happens to people outside of America

But manifest destiny.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Oh com’on... that was long long time ago...

Americans didn’t even want to get involved with WWII until the Japanese forced the Americans’ hands with Pearl Harbor remember?

[FaultyMario]

Dead workers is the price of capitalism. Has been for centuries, don'tcha know?

Oh, I know. I also know that venture capitalists take most of the risk!

[sandydandy]

Kanye West looking to run for president. He’ll sabotage Biden by taking votes away from him, and Trump will win.

The whole scheme is probably orchestrated by Trump. Yeezy bought and paid for. Truly brilliant.

[MR2 Fan]

It's too late for him to appear in many states, so he'd be a write-in at best. I don't see this getting much traction, even most of his fans know he's turned into a wackjob

[sandydandy]

Hopefully he doesn’t split the left vote. Trump would love that.

[Tom Servo]

Oh. My. Fucking. God. Not even bothering with the whistling...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcXSY7hWkAAufNs?format=jpg&name=large

Verification if you can stomach it - go to 5:39 in the video: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1280663377338130440

What's that phrase...a picture is worth 14 words?

[Rare White Ape]

So what he is saying is that he is proud of America and wants it to stay horrible?

[G'day Mate]

He and Hannity are complete pieces of shit.

[G'day Mate]

Oh, and Jeanine Pirro reminds me of the North Korean news lady ...

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160206223413-north-korea-announcement-exlarge-169.jpg

[Rare White Ape]

Zooming in on Tucker Carlson there for a sec, are really bad orange complexions the trend over there at the moment or something?

[Tom Servo]

Amongst white supremacists, yes, oddly enough.

[Cam]

Excuse my ignorance, but I do not recognize the lady on the right. Is she Native American or something? I can't stand to watch Fucker Carlson.

[Tom Servo]

That's Senator Duckworth of Illinois. Tucker's been on a tear that she's unamerican. On one hand, she lost both her legs in Iraq when the Blackhawk she was co-piloting was hit by an RPG. On the other, she's a brown lady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth

[Jason]

Senator Duckworth is a Grade A badass, that's who she is.

[Crazed_Insanity]

She's half Thai... anyway, there seems to be a surge of impressive Thais... such as Senator Duck and Albon! :D

Anyway, I saw that clip from Tucker, I'm not a fan of Tucker at all, but I'm also not as offended as most of you guys.

I tend to think folks on both sides of the political spectrum are talking over each other..., each side believing the other side is evil and dumb and don't even want to listen to them... and whatever they say is offensive shit...

If this is our trajectory, I fear a civil war will be inevitable. Each side just don't get the other side and unwilling to work with the other side..., how else will it end?

Anyway, hopefully each side will learn to reflect more about their own problems. I'm surprised to find GOP ads against Trump now...
Yeah, I'm not enthusiastic about Biden, but Trump really needs to go. Hopefully the conservative voters will wise up. Biden also need to do more to capture those disgruntled republicans... hope this will work out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObqBtoz_fRA

[Rikadyn]

I like Cuomos response to that speech at the 84 DNC

[Crazed_Insanity]

1984 I was 12 yrs old and just arrived to America speaking no English...

How old were you to be able to remember a response to a speech back in 84!?!?!??

[drew]

Tucker Carlson is an unimaginable fuckstain.

[Rikadyn]

1984 I was 12 yrs old and just arrived to America speaking no English...

How old were you to be able to remember a response to a speech back in 84!?!?!??

I was born in 84. I have heard the speech since then... ASCENT OF EVEREST has a 15min song using it as background

[Crazed_Insanity]

Ha, I figured you should be way younger than me... even if I already knew english, I'm sure as a preteen, I would have no clue and no interests in politics... Anyway, I had to google that response you were talking about.

That tale of 2 cities was indeed a good speech.

However, personally, I'm really sick of the oppositional party blaming the ruling party for all the problems America has... look, we've switched rulling parties... regardless of whether if it's the republicans in charge of democrats in charge... we are still experiencing the SAME DAMM problems and these problems are only getting worse! Clinton didn't fix'em, W didn't fix'em, Obama didn't fix'em and Trump sure as hell ain't gonna fix anything.

Yes, Biden is better. Yes, Hillary would've been better than Trump for sure... but Americans' problems still won't be better. Non-American brown skinned people also won't be better... Something is wrong in our Matrix. Hope our Neo will show up soon to fix or reset things... this obviously cannot continue on much longer.

[Rikadyn]

On the one hand, the bourgeois, and particularly the petty-bourgeois, ideologists, compelled under the weight of indisputable historical facts to admit that the state only exists where there are class antagonisms and a class struggle, “correct” Marx in such a way as to make it appear that the state is an organ for the reconciliation of classes. According to Marx, the state could neither have arisen nor maintained itself had it been possible to reconcile classes. From what the petty-bourgeois and philistine professors and publicists say, with quite frequent and benevolent references to Marx, it appears that the state does reconcile classes. According to Marx, the state is an organ of class rule, an organ for the oppression of one class by another; it is the creation of “order”, which legalizes and perpetuates this oppression by moderating the conflict between classes. In the opinion of the petty-bourgeois politicians, however, order means the reconciliation of classes, and not the oppression of one class by another; to alleviate the conflict means reconciling classes and not depriving the oppressed classes of definite means and methods of struggle to overthrow the oppressors.

Parties do not exist to fix problems for the greater whole of the country, they are there to simply ensure that the problems do not affect the ruling class, whether they are solved or suppressed doesn't matter as long as it doesn't effect capital.

As long as we think that the system that created the problem can fix it, the further we will be from fixing it.

[Crazed_Insanity]

The shiny city on a hill become shinier and the dark city in between the valley of shadow of death gets darker as the sun sets... :(

[neanderthal]

Tucker Carlson is an unimaginable fuckstain.

Like, how is that not obvious to everyone? Fuckstain might be too nice a word to describe him.

[neanderthal]

She's half Thai... anyway, there seems to be a surge of impressive Thais... such as Senator Duck and Albon! :D

Anyway, I saw that clip from Tucker, I'm not a fan of Tucker at all, but I'm also not as offended as most of you guys.

I tend to think folks on both sides of the political spectrum are talking over each other..., each side believing the other side is evil and dumb and don't even want to listen to them... and whatever they say is offensive shit...

If this is our trajectory, I fear a civil war will be inevitable. Each side just don't get the other side and unwilling to work with the other side..., how else will it end?

Anyway, hopefully each side will learn to reflect more about their own problems. I'm surprised to find GOP ads against Trump now...
Yeah, I'm not enthusiastic about Biden, but Trump really needs to go. Hopefully the conservative voters will wise up. Biden also need to do more to capture those disgruntled republicans... hope this will work out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObqBtoz_fRA

We did this thing where we don't listen to racists. Or consider their opinions valid. At all. Period. Nor those who excuse and enable them.

But keep "both sides- ing" everything. We see you.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I see you too. If things I say can be very offensive to you, naturally Tucker’s words gonna be unbearable.

Things do often have multiple sides. You need to try to see things from other angles too.

A lot of you are simply way too easily offended.

Conservatives have the same problems as well. Can easily be offended by the left...

It’s a sign of extremism! Each side is growing further apart. Just as the twin cities are drifting further apart... the United States will sooner or later become a divided states if the 2 sides don’t come together somehow...

[sandydandy]

Tucker Carlson ruined Ancient Aliens for me. It was a stupid show to begin with, but now even more so with his involvement.

[Rikadyn]

Like, how is that not obvious to everyone? Fuckstain might be too nice a word to describe him.

Tucker Carlson is a load that should have ended in a tube sock

[Cam]

You need to try to see things from other angles too.

A lot of you are simply way too easily offended.


No, I don't, when the other angle is a white-nationalist/supremacist hate-monger that disparages people like my wife and I simply because we are "intellectuals." Oh, and they hate you because you are not white. You should be offended.

[Yw-slayer]

Oh, the hilarity of Billi claiming that other people "need to try to see things from angles". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MR2 Fan]

GREAT NEWS

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/scotus-rules-trump-financial-records-subpoenas/story?id=71382157&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

SCOTUS rules against Trump on financial records subpoena in NY criminal investigation
The justices sent the New York case back to a lower court in the 7-2 decision.

[Crazed_Insanity]

No, I don't, when the other angle is a white-nationalist/supremacist hate-monger that disparages people like my wife and I simply because we are "intellectuals." Oh, and they hate you because you are not white. You should be offended.

Thats obviously not the angle tucker was talking about. If so, I agree, that kind of angle is offensive, but that’s not what he was talking about!

Just as Neanderthal often like to think that I said offensive shit, but he often twist the meaning of what I said in order to make it more offensive than it really is.

I do understand white nationalists hate me, but reality is that not all conservatives are white and nationalists. It’d be better to win some of them over rather than just lumping them all together. Is tucker and trump white supremacist? Not completely sure, at most they are orange supremacists.

[Crazed_Insanity]

GREAT NEWS

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/scotus-rules-trump-financial-records-subpoenas/story?id=71382157&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

SCOTUS rules against Trump on financial records subpoena in NY criminal investigation
The justices sent the New York case back to a lower court in the 7-2 decision.

Thank God our Supreme Court Justices still have some sense of justice in them!

[neanderthal]

Tucker Carlson is a load that should have ended in a tube sock, that got burnt, not washed.

Finished the thought for you.

[neanderthal]

Oh, the hilarity of Billi claiming that other people "need to try to see things from angles". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

zero. self. awareness. :facepalm:

Does dude ever ask himself questions? Don't answer, you don't need to expend any mental bandwidth on his ruminations.

[neanderthal]

No, I don't, when the other angle is a white-nationalist/supremacist hate-monger that disparages people like my wife and I simply because we are "intellectuals." Oh, and they hate you because you are not white. You should be offended.

There's places where I can understand respecting a different point of view, but racism, bigotry, and anti intellectualism, yeah, sorry. I have no space for accommodating that "alternate viewpoint."

The drivel he espouses is the result of years of pandering to the "your opinion matters" crowd.

---

Nota bene billi; all some most of your opinions are light on thought, reason, the application of intellectual rigor, and, quite frankly, common sense.

[neanderthal]

GREAT NEWS

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/scotus-rules-trump-financial-records-subpoenas/story?id=71382157&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

SCOTUS rules against Trump on financial records subpoena in NY criminal investigation
The justices sent the New York case back to a lower court in the 7-2 decision.

I saw this earlier, saw the 7-2 split, and wondered who the dissenting two were. I suspected Alito and Thomas, but I couldn't put aside that is was Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, elevated by Trump himself, or some combination of any two of those 4.
Was not surprised to see it be Alito and Thomas.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, speaking of YW, I can understand HK doesn't want the US republican type of "freedumb", but he seems to be fine with chinese authoritarian taking HK people's freedom away! Whenever protests turned violent, then the cause is BS! So some BLM protests that got out of control in the US, does that mean BLM is a BS cause?

I'm telling you, only extremists tend to be overly sensitive to 'angles' from opposing sides. Sometimes people can get so sensitive that you need to ignore those opposing angles... cause otherwise the allergic reaction might cause death... so anyway, I understand the need for ignoring me, I certainly don't wish to kill any of you. :p


There's places where I can understand respecting a different point of view, but racism, bigotry, and anti intellectualism, yeah, sorry. I have no space for accommodating that "alternate viewpoint."

The drivel he espouses is the result of years of pandering to the "your opinion matters" crowd.

---

Nota bene billi; all some most of your opinions are light on thought, reason, the application of intellectual rigor, and, quite frankly, common sense.

I never claimed to be an expert of anything. Even the System I defer to Doc Love and Christianity I defer to Jesus Christ! :p
So you have to ask yourself, why are my common sense opinions so offensive to you?

btw, racism, bigotry, and anti intellectualism are not common sense.

[FaultyMario]

Police in Seoul say they have found the body of the city’s mayor, who was long seen as a potential South Korean presidential candidate, after he was reported missing by his daughter. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/09/park-won-soon-mayor-of-seoul-goes-missing-after-assault-allegation)

[FaultyMario]

How much better the countries run by women have done during the Covid pandemic (laughter)... From New Zealand to Taiwan to Germany to Finland, etcetera, you know, maybe it's not a very big sample, but the kind of inclusive leadership that actually follow[s] the evidence and listen[s] the science has proven to be quite effective.

Beesh, pleez:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Universal_Healthcare_by_Country_20191229.svg/1000px-Universal_Healthcare_by_Country_20191229.svg.png



(Green) Countries with free and universal health care
(Lime) Countries with universal but not free healthcare
(Blue) Countries with free but not universal healthcare
(Red) Countries without free or universal healthcare

[neanderthal]

I never claimed to be an expert of anything. Even the System I defer to Doc Love and Christianity I defer to Jesus Christ! :p
So you have to ask yourself, why are my common sense opinions so offensive to you?

btw, racism, bigotry, and anti intellectualism are not common sense.

Explains why you practise them here regularly.

[neanderthal]

Beesh, pleez:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Universal_Healthcare_by_Country_20191229.svg/1000px-Universal_Healthcare_by_Country_20191229.svg.png



(Green) Countries with free and universal health care
(Lime) Countries with universal but not free healthcare
(Blue) Countries with free but not universal healthcare
(Red) Countries without free or universal healthcare

This needs to be juxtaposed against the nations that have a female premier, to make the point I think you're trying to make.

Is that Haiti, Western Sahara and Qatar with "not enough enough information/ we don't know" white coloring?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Female leaders with sufficient public support do tend to do much better than male leaders with regard to Covid response... US has a male and unpopular leader is really the worse combo...

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5144421002

[neanderthal]

We would have had a female leader, but some people ...

[FaultyMario]

The United States fared badly to a pandemic due to structural reasons, not because the gender of the national leader.

I think LBJ would have done a better job than either of the last three American presidents or any of the 4 heads of government Hillary mentioned. I would venture and say that most democratically elected leaders were fairly adept at setting up technical committees and oversight groups. The reason why Trump's admin failed is because he had eroded the primary fail-safes of the executive and thus the secondary levels of government were unable to function independently of the executive and respond to the changing conditions of a national emergency with technical sound actions, instead of ideological-driven ones.

If you want to lie to yourself by believing that Hillary lost to a Junior senator in 08 and then lost to a Reality TV host eight years later because she's a woman, be my guest.

[Crazed_Insanity]

We would have had a female leader, but some people ...

I tend to agree with Mario.

Hillary also just wasn’t popular enough. She only won the popular vote Slightly because her opponent thought he can grab pussies...

She should’ve won by a land slide. She should’ve won my vote.

[Tom Servo]

She should’ve won my vote.

Given the things you've said about her in the past, and that you appear to still think she's guilty of various things that she's been investigated about time and time again with nothing to show for it, that feels like an insanely high bar.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Without solid evidences, I have no problems presuming her innocence. I also have no problems presuming trump to be innocent, but don’t expect me to love them! She could’ve pick a more progressive VP. That would’ve been enough. VP Warren could’ve easily consolidated the progressives with the democrats.

Her VP pick was really awesome in the eyes of progressive and conservative voters right? :rolleyes:

I don’t know, at least to me, she clearly showed disdain not only at Deplorable trump supporters but she also didn’t think much of the Bernie supporters.

The bar really isn’t that high, she just didn’t bother with voters like me.

Voters like me are such small minority that which ever way we vote, probably won’t change the outcome, especially in CA.

[neanderthal]

The United States fared badly to a pandemic due to structural reasons, not because the gender of the national leader.

I think LBJ would have done a better job than either of the last three American presidents or any of the 4 heads of government Hillary mentioned. I would venture and say that most democratically elected leaders were fairly adept at setting up technical committees and oversight groups. The reason why Trump's admin failed is because he had eroded the primary fail-safes of the executive and thus the secondary levels of government were unable to function independently of the executive and respond to the changing conditions of a national emergency with technical sound actions, instead of ideological-driven ones.

If you want to lie to yourself by believing that Hillary lost to a Junior senator in 08 and then lost to a Reality TV host eight years later because she's a woman, be my guest.

Wrong. We fared badly because bad decisions were made at the executive level.
* When Trump dismissed the virus response team
* When they were given this information. They were briefed in January; Trump et al did; nothing.
* When they decided to let it run it's course rather than pursue aggressive measures immediately. Masks could have been manufactured. Gloves. Cleaning solution manufacturing etc could have been ramped up.
* Wrong information disseminated to the public.

So yeah, a lot of wrong things that had nothing to do with our actual systems, but the fucksticks in the administration.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Dude, your reasons are where Mario said about trump eroding the fail safes away...

As for the systemic problem, perhaps Mario wasn’t as clear... but Clearly voters had an aversion of something. Forget trump, Obama sort of ran an antiestablishment campaign. Voters dislike ‘establishment’ or Hillary for a reason.

People all over the world didn’t just became more nationalistic for no reason. Globalism is the reason why some folks protested.

Trump wasn’t the cause, he’s simply surfing the wave to the WH.

And speaking of WH, that reminded me of WHO, that part of the system has zero trump involvement. Do you believe WHO did their job?

That system didn’t fail the worlds health just as our criminal justice system didn’t fail black people right? It’s all Trumps fault?

[FaultyMario]

Wrong. We fared badly because bad decisions were made at the executive level.
* When Trump dismissed the virus response team
* When they were given this information. They were briefed in January; Trump et al did; nothing.
* When they decided to let it run it's course rather than pursue aggressive measures immediately. Masks could have been manufactured. Gloves. Cleaning solution manufacturing etc could have been ramped up.
* Wrong information disseminated to the public.

So yeah, a lot of wrong things that had nothing to do with our actual systems, but the fucksticks in the administration.

The fucksticks that were women or just the men?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Of course only men have fuck sticks!

[Yw-slayer]

zero. self. awareness. :facepalm:

Does dude ever ask himself questions? Don't answer, you don't need to expend any mental bandwidth on his ruminations.

Thanks, bro. I haven't.

[Cam]

Nice to see you can still access this forum, YW. Do you expect to be under The Great Firewall soon?