Politics

[Cam]

Vile piece of garbage.

[neanderthal]

https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1320025319810732033?s=19

[MR2 Fan]

via twitter:

@mcpli

Texas turnout through 11 days of early voting is now 79% of the state’s *total* 2016 turnout (in-person early, mail & Election Day).

Seven more days of early voting + Nov. 3 to go.


I think Texas may turn blue

[2ndMoparMan]

Went and voted today with my dad. First time he's ever voted, at 65.

[FaultyMario]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SoJI_KNV0Q

[Tom Servo]

Undecided voters.

https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/1320479339452928001/photo/1

[neanderthal]

All people had to do, was vote for the last with the emails.

https://twitter.com/SashaBeauloux/status/1320538862268129280?s=19

[neanderthal]

via twitter:

@mcpli

Texas turnout through 11 days of early voting is now 79% of the state’s *total* 2016 turnout (in-person early, mail & Election Day).

Seven more days of early voting + Nov. 3 to go.


I think Texas may turn blue


We're not gonna let up. We're fed up with Donny. Even Florida is in play.

I'm really hoping for a nationwide white wash. A fucking mandate.

[neanderthal]

Let this sink in: the GOP is doing more to stop people from voting, than they are doing to stop people from getting covid-19.

[FaultyMario]

September 11, 1973. A US-sponsored military coup against the democratically elected government of Chile brings about a market driven experiment for instituting University of Chicago policies to reign in governments and dismantle state services all over the world.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElOWWxkX0AAwPlW.jpg

October 25, 2020. The people of Chile go to the ballots and vote 77-22 for a repeal of the Pinochet constitution.

in the timeless words of Patti Smith, people have the power.

[Crazed_Insanity]

They have Donald Trump to thank?

If it were that lady with the emails in charge, I wonder if those people can still have power.

[neanderthal]

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1320726653375516673?s=19

[Jason]

Republicans have been very effective at shaping the courts in their vision.

Also, Barrett has now been confirmed for SCOTUS.

ACA is likely dead, we’ll see what that means going forward. Also if this election is close, fully expect the Trump Campaign to file enough lawsuits to have some reach SCOTUS, and we’ll see what happens there...

[JoshInKC]

Yep. It's not looking great.
Be prepared.

[Cam]

Saw one of those "Drive like your kids live here." signs in a nearby neighbourhood. What made it notable was that someone had slapped a "Vote" sticker over "Drive." :lol:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Makes sense!

Too bad the right and left live such different lives...

[Cam]

I check the free section of Craigslist on a regular basis. Yesterday, there were a couple of strange ads for conspiracy theories. They were not selling anything. One was just a photo accompanied by one word. The other was a link to a conspiracy theory video. Something something taking yer gunz something... I flagged them for being stupid. I put this here because they were government-related.

I regularly flag the same poster multiple times a week now for submitting right-wing political BS.

After flagging a dozen or more BS posts over a period of a few weeks, they disappeared for a few weeks. They've come back this week.

[neanderthal]

Ted Cruz says the national debt will re-emerge as a concern for the GOP. (https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-growing-national-debt-trump-major-gop-concern-deficit-2020-10)

The tax "cuts."
Trumps trade embargoes.
The Trump tariffs.
Subsidies for farmers.
The corona virus they mis handled.
So much more.

Now, when it looks clearer that they might lose the White House and the congress, now they're concerned. Sorry, now they gonna be concerned.

Fuck the Republicans. And all who voted for them.

[neanderthal]

After flagging a dozen or more BS posts over a period of a few weeks, they disappeared for a few weeks. They've come back this week.

If you're already there, flag em. You're doing your bit to dispel disinformation.

[Cam]

Wait, you're responding to my post about me flagging them by telling me to flag them? :erm: :lol:

[neanderthal]

Wait, you're responding to my post about me flagging them by telling me to flag them? :erm: :lol:

:D

[Freude am Fahren]

Make sure you only flag one at a time though.

[Yw-slayer]

More efficient that way?

[drew]

Makes for longer lasting flag-waving in the long-term.

[Tom Servo]

After Trump's rally in Omaha last night, he flew off in Air Force one while thousands were stuck in the cold waiting for buses that were supposed to take them to their cars or, alternately, walking the 3.7 miles to the lot.

At least 9 people were taken to the ER with hypothermia, overheard on a police scanner was at least one elderly couple who were no longer able to move and "in an altered mental state" from the cold.

It's always interesting to see a metaphor be acted out in real life. Tell a bunch of people what they want to hear and then fly off in your own jet while you literally leave them out in the cold.

EDIT: I like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElbGXH6VgAA2N-y?format=jpg&name=medium

[sandydandy]

That makes me happy, fuck them.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yep. He's immune to the cold and to Covid19..., most of his supporters are not. It is sad that Trump is using his supporters this way..., but the thing is I can't get over the fact that there are still people who hunger and thirst for him as if he's their messiah. I think even roofer realizes that Trump is full of shit on a personal level, but he just hates socialists and masks way more...

Trump is just so very good at telling people what they want to hear. For sure nobody will show up to a Biden rally like that. If Biden could generate as much enthusiasm, then WH will for sure be his... ;)

Anyway, hope we can turn this around...

[neanderthal]

Republicans have been very effective at shaping the courts in their vision.

Also, Barrett has now been confirmed for SCOTUS.

ACA is likely dead, we’ll see what that means going forward. Also if this election is close, fully expect the Trump Campaign to file enough lawsuits to have some reach SCOTUS, and we’ll see what happens there...

Indeed they have.

https://twitter.com/VermontSOS/status/1321547993728823296?s=19

[Tom Servo]

No one mocks Trump like Barack Obama (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/28/no-one-mocks-trump-well-obama/)

[G'day Mate]

Not sure if this will start in the right spot, so fast forward to the 21 minute mark to see a good bit about key states:


https://youtu.be/BUueZ32rVJ0?t=1262

[Tom Servo]

I've got enough anxiety about work and covid and everything else, that did me no favors.

[FaultyMario]

Soylent Founder's Unhinged Politics Rant Shows Tech Execs Don't Understand the World (https://www.vice.com/en/article/epd4je/soylent-founders-unhinged-politics-rant-shows-tech-execs-dont-understand-the-world)


Returning to Rhinehart’s blog that got him a mention in the Times, he also claims that Nancy Pelosi “controls” San Francisco [...] In reality it is Silicon Valley that ruined the Bay Area—not unlike previous periods of history, where the frontiers of technology and financial capital conspired to lay waste to the region as they extracted its mineral wealth. Decades ago, when Silicon Valley’s manufacturing was contained to the area, it made the land and waters of East Palo Alto (a predominantly non-white area) one of the most toxic in the country. The story of how that region has been poisoned by and its wealth eclipsed (and extracted) by Menlo Park and Silicon Valley is the real story of who ruined the Bay Area.

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElhHIFwXIAAKEEK.jpg


Can you guys confirm?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Boeing 787 will all be made in South Carolina! That’s all I know about that. One big hurricane, 787 production will stop.

Anyway, found a cool video regarding the abortion issue... about how roe vs Wade, Justices, presidents don’t really matter that much with this issue. Whether if you’re on the left or right, we all need to just let this issue go.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR2M-PQq-mhz_1FGlqrgYUnS8LdjGVonhS6zv3Yl79UgiZYtHgysjlZx5Ok&feature=youtu.be&v=RvWD7ykNjCc

[Cam]

That looks like satire, in case you are not joking.

[sandydandy]

https://youtu.be/d22Y7p3tER0

Been following this lawyer for a few months, he does legal commentary on a myriad of issues. Even occasionally does light stuff like analyze movies and TV shows to show legal indiscretions committed. He's examined Trump and political issues before, but without taking sides. This time he does, and speaks volumes of truth. Great video.

[FaultyMario]

That looks like satire, in case you are not joking.

it is from the onion.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://youtu.be/d22Y7p3tER0

Been following this lawyer for a few months, he does legal commentary on a myriad of issues. Even occasionally does light stuff like analyze movies and TV shows to show legal indiscretions committed. He's examined Trump and political issues before, but without taking sides. This time he does, and speaks volumes of truth. Great video.

I’m no legal eagle, totally agree with him, but perhaps something is wrong with our set up if a president could single handedly dismantle our nation’s rule of law like this.

Hope we can make it more robust in the future so that a single president could not do so much damage...

[drew]

lol

[G'day Mate]

lol

:D

[Freude am Fahren]

So I was thinking today, did appointing Coney Barrett actually hurt Trump's chance at re-election?

Think about how many people voted for him solely to get conservatives on the court and overturn Roe vs. Wade. Now that's he's done that, there might be a considerable amount of potential one-issue Trump voters that now think "Mission Accomplished" and stay home or even vote Biden.

Unless they're worried about Biden packing the court. I don't see that happening, unless Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett act brazenly partisan on the bench.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think this rushed appointment definitely made republicans look bad... as hypocrites. For sure it’ll hurt their senate majority. Maybe some single voter republicans will feel relieved so they don’t have to vote trump again? But kinda doubt that. The main benefit I see is that this move energized the left more.

That’s how Obama won. He energized more folks on the left to come out to vote, rather than converting folks on the right...

Anyway, regarding roe v wade and court packing, it really doesn’t matter. Abortion rate is dwindling regardless or who’s in the WH and how many conservative justices we have in the courts. Voters on both sides are placing way too much emphasis on this single issue.

[drew]

So I was thinking today, did appointing Coney Barrett actually hurt Trump's chance at re-election?

Think about how many people voted for him solely to get conservatives on the court and overturn Roe vs. Wade. Now that's he's done that, there might be a considerable amount of potential one-issue Trump voters that now think "Mission Accomplished" and stay home or even vote Biden.

Unless they're worried about Biden packing the court. I don't see that happening, unless Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett act brazenly partisan on the bench.

Interesting, But I don't think so. There's still a few things of Obama's he hasn't undone.

He's an insufferable cunt. I hope by this time next year he's in a cage like all the "illegals" his goon squad did.

Again, fuck this asshole.

[sandydandy]

I read today that Bobby Orr endorsed Trump. My heart sank, briefly.

Who's Bobby Orr you ask? Fair question. Former Boston Bruins legend. More famous in Canada, obviously, and one who's regarded by many to be the single greatest hockey player to ever put on skates.

EDIT - just saw that Brett Favre also endorsed Trump. WTF??

[Rare White Ape]

Comedian Jonathan Pie, once again, hits the nail on the bloody head.


https://youtu.be/IdnHfYbr1cQ

[Rare White Ape]

He pretty much sums up my thoughts on it too:

- Trump will win and it is inevitable

- The Democrats’ milk toast platform hasn’t helped them gain any votes apart from rusted-on centrists

- Fuck the polls

- Owning the Libs is more important than good governance

[sandydandy]

That’s very true, and kind of scary. I am very wary of the polls but I keep in mind that Joe Biden is not Hillary. She made some fatal mistakes leading up to the 2016 election and Biden really hasn’t this time around. I like to be optimistic that the decent still outnumber the indecent in America, and will get rid of this plague known as Trump on Tuesday.

[MR2 Fan]

No, without some INSANE attempts to successfully block votes that works, Trump will lose, and lose badly.

It's a simple calculation IMO. Trump has a lot of die-hard supporters yes, but he hasn't really gained much if any voters from 2016. He is running with, most likely, the same numbers or LESS than he ran with before. Many Trump voters looking to "Shake things up" didn't realize how horrible he would be.

The number of people early voting is WAAAAY higher than any time in history and a lot of them are voting for Biden.

For many years, people of voting age who were relatively liberal or moderate didn't think voting mattered much....that's all changed.

[FaultyMario]

the dismantling of the USPS seems pretty "successful".

[neanderthal]

https://t.co/aNvrwSVGeX?amp=1

It's the week before elections, and Bernie fucking Sanders is trying to throw the game. The week before the elections.

Fuck Bernie Sanders.

[neanderthal]

And AOC shitting on Obamacare, the week before the elections because "it didn't work out very well for her."

Well excuse me!!! How about the millions of people who were now able to get decent health care? Those who had our existing conditions for whom prior to the ACA healthcare was a nightmare.

Let's burn it all fucking down because it didn't work out very well for her. Jesus fucking Christ.

[Rare White Ape]

Jim Wright on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/100000762374540/posts/3490189697683075/?d=n
(Seriously, go look him up)


Melania Trump: “We are a country of hope, not a country of fear or weakness.”

This woman is married to a guy who is head of a political party that is literally afraid of EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING.

And these people? Most especially they're afraid of appearing weak. Donald Trump is absolutely and utterly terrified of showing what he considers "weakness" in any fashion whatsoever. He goes to incredibly stupid lengths to deny any weakness of any kind.

THAT'S HIS PRIMARY WEAKNESS.

He is the Truck Nutz of Presidents.

The entire operating philosophy of the modern Republican party is fear. Fear is what drives them. Fear of immigrants, fear of change, fear of gay people getting married, fear of trans people using a bathroom, fear that a couple of lesbians might want to adopt a child, fear that children might get enough to eat, fear that woman might control their own bodies and lives, fear that students might learn something contrary to their religion, fear that their miserable capricious spiteful god will smite them for some random misdeed committed by others, fear of elitism, fear of people who worship different gods or none at all, fear that somebody somewhere undeserving might get the same civil rights they enjoy, fear that a black man might not knuckle under to authority with the proper deference and cringing respect, fear that sick people might get healthcare without having to pay, fear that rich people won't get richer and businesses won't make obscene profits, fear of wind turbines and solar panels, fear that we might actually make the world a better place for our children. They're afraid of socialism even though they couldn't possibly tell you what that even is. They're afraid of fascism, even though they are right now voting for it. They're afraid of communism, even though they openly refer to themselves unironically as the RED WAVE. They gulp steroids and Viagra by the handful and roll that coal in their giant trucks, dressed in surplus camo, clutching their guns, because they're utterly terrified some random stranger they don't know on the highway or the internet will think them unmanly and a sissy boy.

These people are afraid of EVERYTHING.

It's what defines them.

FEAR is who they are. Every day. In every moment.

And HOPE? Hope?

You've GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Hope. Don't make me laugh. All you have to do is look at their terrified outrage when Obama said THAT word to America.

[Yw-slayer]

HAY GUYZ

HK's main anti-CCP newspaper is named Apple Daily. The owner (Lai) supports the re-election of Trump. He employs a guy (Simon) who used to work for the US intelligence.

Simon used Lai's funds to fund a project accusing Hunter Biden of having PRC business ties. Lai denies that he knew that the employee had used such funds.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3107892/chinese-media-mogul-jimmy-lai-unknowingly-funded-false-persona-report


Lai said he was sorry that Apple Daily was implicated but maintained his innocence. “I know it is hard for anyone to believe that I didn’t know about it and my integrity is damaged,” he said.

Lai told his employees in a video clip that he would take responsibility for what Simon did even though he played no part in it, according to an Apple Daily report.

Simon, however, said he would take full responsibility.

“I never tell Jimmy what I’m up to. Don‘t people understand our lives? Of course, I didn’t tell him … I lost myself in the data and its accuracy and forgot about the distribution,” Simon said in a reply to the Post.

In a commentary last week, Lai, known for his unrelenting criticism of China, praised Trump for his tough stance on Beijing and said he found “a stronger sense of security in Trump” than Biden, who is leading the numbers in the latest polls.

Lai said on Twitter earlier this week that “some friends accused me [of] supporting Trump in [the] election and it is not right. I apologise”. But he said he stood by his view that “Trump’s dealing with China has been effective and it directly affects us here”.

Of course, no such report on CNN, The Guardian, BBC etc.

Just FYI.

[Tom Servo]

And AOC shitting on Obamacare, the week before the elections because "it didn't work out very well for her."

Well excuse me!!! How about the millions of people who were now able to get decent health care? Those who had our existing conditions for whom prior to the ACA healthcare was a nightmare.

Let's burn it all fucking down because it didn't work out very well for her. Jesus fucking Christ.

Citation needed. I feel like I'm basically extremely online and overdosing on news and I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Tom Servo]

Of course, no such report on CNN, The Guardian, BBC etc.

I think we're pretty much already in the boat here, at least for those sources, that the Biden smears are nonsense. Is there a specific reason you'd expect this to be covered when they're barely covering the nonsense the NY Post is spewing?

[Yw-slayer]

I think we're pretty much already in the boat here, at least for those sources, that the Biden smears are nonsense. Is there a specific reason you'd expect this to be covered when they're barely covering the nonsense the NY Post is spewing?

The thing is that I don't expect it to be covered by those sources. This is because it doesn't conveniently support the narrative of Billi's buddies, since it shows that they will also happily use dodgy means to smear, or protect, whoever or whatever they want, if they think it's in their own narrative/interests. This includes hyping up fake anti-Biden/pro-Trump stuff to, uh, affect the US elections.

[Rare White Ape]

Today was Election Day for the state of Queensland where I live.

The left-wing Labor party was returned to government for a third successive term with a fairly sizeable swing away from the right-wing Liberal Party.

Common sense has prevailed, and according to preliminary analysis one of the big reasons why voters went with Labor again is because of premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic and keeping our borders shut.

There were other factors too but they aren’t worth my time talking about.

(by the way it’s pronounced Pala-shay)

[JoshInKC]

Citation needed. I feel like I'm basically extremely online and overdosing on news and I have no idea what you're talking about.
He's talking about the vanity fair interview that came out a few days ago, where to my recollection she said something illustrated with her personal experience along the lines of "We need to do better than obamacare, it's a step in the right direction, but it's a half-measure that's too hard to use and a lot of people fall through the cracks."

I suspect he's getting a bit antsy in these last few days because he's nervous about tuesday and assuming that any criticism of democrat accomplishments/politicians/the party itself will be read by someone as an excuse to not vote for Biden. Feel free to correct me if I'm not interpreting correctly, Mo.

[MR2 Fan]

I do think the Dems need to move farther left, but this wasn't the year to do it....goal 1 was to get rid of Trump and his allies, and the best way, sad as this sounds is with a very centrist old white guy that is palatable for conservatives who no longer align with Trump.

[Tom Servo]

The thing is that I don't expect it to be covered by those sources. This is because it doesn't conveniently support the narrative of Billi's buddies, since it shows that they will also happily use dodgy means to smear, or protect, whoever or whatever they want, if they think it's in their own narrative/interests. This includes hyping up fake anti-Biden/pro-Trump stuff to, uh, affect the US elections.

I don't think that's the reason why it isn't being covered here, but I suppose neither of us can prove what the reason is.

[FaultyMario]

Krystall Ball is dead-on center: (https://youtu.be/YxlwHjQ8BwM?t=2503)


Democrats are good at coming up with excuses for why they can't get anything done. And in some ways, i think, failing to address these root-cause issues that brought us Trump in the first place, is a real disaster waiting to happen. We got lucky that He is an incompentent, bumbling fool who doesn't really want to accomplish anything other than seeing his face on TV. That doesn't mean that that situation persists forever; if the democratic party remains bent on -and they will-, and they remain successful at closing down any sort of left-populist answer to these problems that is more communitarian in nature, I think we are headed for a very dark place.

[Tom Servo]

Fwiw, at least the Guardian is reporting on it: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/31/jimmy-lai-distances-himself-from-report-on-hunter-bidens-alleged-china-links

[Yw-slayer]

Yes i saw that and finally, lol. And in this manner. No comments apparently sought or asked for from the rest of the anti-ccp camp, including the usual pundits. Anyway, the main thing is for you all to understand that there are anti-ccp parties in HK who back Trump's re-election and who will rely on these techniques to achieve their aims, and that reporting on these matters is very limited.

[Tom Servo]

There's been extensive coverage of Epoch Times, an anti-CCP "news organization" that regularly runs pro-Trump/anti-Biden & Hillary nonsense. I think the bigger issue is that at least US news doesn't tend to report on much of anything from other countries unless there's some dramatic video involved.

[Yw-slayer]

Oh, I know that you are aware of Epoch Times' background and links to Falun Gong. This comes from another angle/source, though, and is also pro-Trump. I think you're also presumably far more media-literate and far more capable of critical thought than, say, most people who read English-language media.

The issue you mention is certainly an important one. There are others, of course.

[FaultyMario]

and Alyssa Milano spent Halloween in her notorious RGB costume...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Forget about HK for a minute, but Taiwan at the moment loves Trump because he’s been the only us president who has the balls to stand up to China. Whether it’s NBA, Disney or even Top Gun Maverick... one by one they all bowed down to the mighty market owned by the CCP.

My wife loves trump for his apparent defiance at the CCP, but Trump is obviously a dick at home and needs to go...

When dems are in charge, they will bow down to China again and normalcy shall return... and hunter will become even more popular with these major foreign companies than before...

Bernie Sanders really would’ve been the best of both worlds. He would’ve been good at home and abroad. Sanders is also an admirer of Taiwan’s very progressive healthcare system which fought and controlled Covid very well...

Anyway YW, I know we dumb Americans probably have given democracy a bad name, but rest assured that dictatorship is far worse. Xi and CCP are not good for China. Hope some day you’ll realize that.

[Tom Servo]

I've been wondering about this. Sometimes Trump is openly defiant, but other times he effusively praises Xi. How do you feel about that? I mean, he said a lot of nice things about Xi's handling of the novel Coronavirus back in Jan/Feb...

[Crazed_Insanity]

Of course I feel that he is full of shit. He’s got bank accounts setup in China..., so he’s probably just yanking China’s chains for more money? When you don’t pay him enough, then he starts to bad mouth you?

Anyway, I do admire him to be the 1st ever US president to call and congratulate the newly elected Taiwanese president. That was unprecedented. No other US presidents dared to upset China like that. It was customary to pretend that Taiwan doesn’t exist.

Anyway, besides Taiwan, I’m sure Mario would agree with me that Trump’s nationalistic policies had been good for nations around the world. I do like trump for not starting a war and not installing dictators around the world. That’s about the only thing you like about him. But of course that’s only because he’s too busy installing his cronies at home...

I’m sure once he succeeds at becoming a dictator, US will become way more evil than ever before when it comes to foreign policies... setting up concentration camps like Nazi and CCP will also become more commonplace...

[neanderthal]

He's talking about the vanity fair interview that came out a few days ago, where to my recollection she said something illustrated with her personal experience along the lines of "We need to do better than obamacare, it's a step in the right direction, but it's a half-measure that's too hard to use and a lot of people fall through the cracks."

I suspect he's getting a bit antsy in these last few days because he's nervous about tuesday and assuming that any criticism of democrat accomplishments/politicians/the party itself will be read by someone as an excuse to not vote for Biden. Feel free to correct me if I'm not interpreting correctly, Mo.

Nail on head.

Now, i'm not advocating that Obamacare was perfect. I'll be the first to say "it could have been a whole lot better." Bolded and in quotes. But the timing is awful. However, i'll concede she doesn't control when that article comes out, but when we need fewer reasons to discourage people from voting ...

Sometimes you can tell when people have played in team sports and when they haven't. Or they were always picked last and resented sports and never got the lessons of participating in a group venture.

Which isn't limited to only sport but I digress.

[neanderthal]

I do think the Dems need to move farther left, but this wasn't the year to do it....goal 1 was to get rid of Trump and his allies, and the best way, sad as this sounds is with a very centrist old white guy that is palatable for conservatives who no longer align with Trump.

Then tack left after gaining control of the congress and white house.

If we win convincingly, play hardball and enact the things that make Republican malfeasance/ victory nigh on impossible; end citizens united, re enact the voting rights act, make election day a holiday, make Puerto Rico and DC states, etc. No bipartisanship.
If we win just enough to have power but not enough to completely wield power, we tack left slightly.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Typical dems do not tact left very much. GOP has decided to go off the deep end on the right, but the likes of Obama/Hillary/Biden are happy with ‘center’ where nothing exciting happens. Obama was pretending to go more left to energize voters, but he slowly drifted to the center...

Not that there’s anything wrong with the ‘center’, but considering your political opposition is leaning far right, we need to reposition ourselves to balance things out. To try to go far left in order to balance our actual center of gravity near the center...

Hope president Obama will become DNC’s mastermind and figure out ways to defeat the GOP as he did with Bernie Sanders during the primaries... he owes us. It was Obama that helped trump’s rise to power. He owes us a fix.

As for AOC, you have to be pretty insecure to think that to state the obvious about ACA would hurt Biden’s chances. Everyone is onboard endorsing Biden already, right?

[Freude am Fahren]

The only time he's "hard" on China is when it gives him a chance to be racist to his followers who eat it up.

[Crazed_Insanity]

That’s only partially true.

Surely the trade war wasn’t initiated due to racism.

Also making the unprecedented call to congratulate the Taiwanese president also wasn’t motivated by racism.

He intended to piss the CCP off.

For whatever reasons, but racism was probably not the main reasons.

[sandydandy]

I hope after Tuesday “President-elect Biden” is part of our vocabulary.

[neanderthal]

President Obama don't owe you shit.
The only reason we have Trump is because of fuckers like you.

President Obama and Hillary Clinton very clearly said what was at stake.

[Crazed_Insanity]

You still don’t understand how Trump rose to power.

3rd party voters like me was the primary reason that gave him the WH?

It really worrys me that if fuckers like me give Dems their power back, will the dems really truly reflect on what went wrong to allow people like trump and Sanders to surge in popularity... such antiestablishment sentiment was not just US but all over the world!

Anyway, hope Biden isn’t going to be like you. Think of me just as a fucker.

[sandydandy]

I hope the two of you can finally bury the hatchet if Biden wins.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don’t think it’s possible.

However thankfully neither Neanderthal nor Billi is in charge of the DNC or the nation, so it matters little what we believe or whether if we agree. I am expecting the worst but still hoping for the best.

COVID19 actually could reshape our political leaning either way... we could become more nationalistic and build higher walls around us... or we could become more progressive with our social programs out of necessity...

Just hoping Biden could win and would work with the progressives more to get our nation back on track rather than just blaming fuckers on the right and fuckers on the left when a moderate loses the election.

[Rare White Ape]

https://youtu.be/3BpV8JklgY4

Biden is going to lose.

Not because of fuckers on the fringe of the left or right of centre squabbling over Biden’s supposed lack of left-ness, but because of the Cult of Trump that happens to be a misunderstood (by people like us) cultural phenomenon that has swept across the nation. He is the right president at the right time for all of these MAGA hat wearing, flag waving gronks to come out of the woodwork in their literal millions. Trump’s mishandling of COVID is the exact thing he needs to do for re-election: these people LOVE it. No amount of progressive politics is going to be able to stop that avalanche. You just need to worry about the candidate that the Republicans field at the 2024 election.

I hate Trump too. I will be disappointed if he wins tomorrow. But I am prepared for it, mentally and emotionally.

You guys need to prepare yourselves for a loss too.

[Yw-slayer]

I hope the two of you can finally bury the hatchet if Biden wins.

lol at everything.


You just need to worry about the candidate that the Republicans field at the 2024 election.

Yes. It's going to be Pompeo. Again, lol at everything.

[sandydandy]

https://youtu.be/3BpV8JklgY4

Biden is going to lose.

Not because of fuckers on the fringe of the left or right of centre squabbling over Biden’s supposed lack of left-ness, but because of the Cult of Trump that happens to be a misunderstood (by people like us) cultural phenomenon that has swept across the nation. He is the right president at the right time for all of these MAGA hat wearing, flag waving gronks to come out of the woodwork in their literal millions. Trump’s mishandling of COVID is the exact thing he needs to do for re-election: these people LOVE it. No amount of progressive politics is going to be able to stop that avalanche. You just need to worry about the candidate that the Republicans field at the 2024 election.

I hate Trump too. I will be disappointed if he wins tomorrow. But I am prepared for it, mentally and emotionally.

You guys need to prepare yourselves for a loss too. I think you're being too much of a pessimist. But you are right about being mentally and emotionally prepared.

I watched a couple of interviews with experts, one of whom represents Trafalgar Group who accurately and exactly predicted Trump's 2016 victory of 306 Electoral votes. Trafalgar has been accurate in most recent state and midterm elections as well. They are predicting Trump will win again. On the other side of the coin there's Allan Lichtman from American University, who has accurately predicted every presidential election since 1984 based on his system. He's saying Biden will win.

One of them will have their streak broken tomorrow night. I think Lichtman's process has more merit to it, so I choose to believe him.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://youtu.be/3BpV8JklgY4

Biden is going to lose.

Not because of fuckers on the fringe of the left or right of centre squabbling over Biden’s supposed lack of left-ness, but because of the Cult of Trump that happens to be a misunderstood (by people like us) cultural phenomenon that has swept across the nation. He is the right president at the right time for all of these MAGA hat wearing, flag waving gronks to come out of the woodwork in their literal millions. Trump’s mishandling of COVID is the exact thing he needs to do for re-election: these people LOVE it. No amount of progressive politics is going to be able to stop that avalanche. You just need to worry about the candidate that the Republicans field at the 2024 election.

I hate Trump too. I will be disappointed if he wins tomorrow. But I am prepared for it, mentally and emotionally.

You guys need to prepare yourselves for a loss too.

We don’t know if trump will win yet! :p

If Biden wins and if DNC also won the congress, hopefully Biden won’t be wishy washy about bailing Americans out. We can’t have shutdowns without some sort of financial support. Will Biden and DNC take care of people’s health and finances? Or will there be more shutdowns but ACA and stimulus checks continues to be stalled?

Frankly Biden has this incredibly hard battle ahead of him even if he wins. It’s really not fair to expect him to fix all of America’s problems in 4 short years, but if he messed it up, Trump II will be waiting for us come 2024... scary...

Neanderthal, this is why I was hoping Obama or whoever orchestrated the defeat of Sanders to step up and lead the DNC and our nation back on track. DNC just doesn’t seem as well organized as the GOP. But I also hope this mastermind has realized the mistakes made in the past which helped Trump’s chances...

If they share the same attitude as you do, then we’re doomed.

[FaultyMario]

Yes. It's going to be Pompeo. Again, lol at everything.

I'm not sure, he's not rich enough.

Next time around it's going to be some soul-less ghoul like Trump, but lucid and likeable.

[FaultyMario]

This poll is fun. Except when you consider that some people are still OK with handing over personal data to pollsters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El0hNUBXUAcPJGj.png

[Crazed_Insanity]

We gave Karens a bad name, they mostly support Biden not Trump!

[Rare White Ape]

I think you're being too much of a pessimist. But you are right about being mentally and emotionally prepared.

Pessimism is accurate but I think it’s the wrong word.

I’ve the luxury of being more detached from the result than Americans do. And as I’ve said before if Clinton won she would’ve been terrible for foreign relations (and on that note I read another article ( https://www.michaelwest.com.au/one-good-thing-trump-first-president-since-carter-not-to-drag-america-into-foreign-wars/) this morning that vindicates my view on that even further).

My distance from America allows me to draw conclusions that you guys in the thick of it may not be able to, because Trump hasn’t done anything bad to my country. He has been tremendously bad for his own country, and his voters are blind to the fact that they’ve shot themselves in the feet so badly that they’re left with bloody stumps down there. That much is obvious.

But the rest of you may not be able to see just how wild the last four years have been and that his popularity is growing by the day. It’s almost as if Jim Jones is in charge and he’s managed to get a whole country on board. The last 12 months have been… insane.

So I think I’m more of a realist than a pessimist.

We will see what is to transpire in the next 36 hours. I hope you’ve got a supply of fortified liquor at hand and a therapist on speed dial.

[JoshInKC]

We will see what is to transpire in the next 36 hours. I hope you’ve got a supply of fortified liquor at hand and a therapist on speed dial.
I certainly do. Planning on starting drinking as soon as I'm done teaching at 5pm, and have cleared my schedule through 7pm Wednesday. After that, we'll see what happens - My gas mask and riot shield are dusted off and ready for action.

[Yw-slayer]

I'm not sure, he's not rich enough.

Next time around it's going to be some soul-less ghoul like Trump, but lucid and likeable.

I hole you're right.

[sandydandy]

Pessimism is accurate but I think it’s the wrong word.

I’ve the luxury of being more detached from the result than Americans do. And as I’ve said before if Clinton won she would’ve been terrible for foreign relations (and on that note I read another article ( https://www.michaelwest.com.au/one-good-thing-trump-first-president-since-carter-not-to-drag-america-into-foreign-wars/) this morning that vindicates my view on that even further).

My distance from America allows me to draw conclusions that you guys in the thick of it may not be able to, because Trump hasn’t done anything bad to my country. He has been tremendously bad for his own country, and his voters are blind to the fact that they’ve shot themselves in the feet so badly that they’re left with bloody stumps down there. That much is obvious.

But the rest of you may not be able to see just how wild the last four years have been and that his popularity is growing by the day. It’s almost as if Jim Jones is in charge and he’s managed to get a whole country on board. The last 12 months have been… insane.

So I think I’m more of a realist than a pessimist. I’m not exactly in the thick of it. Sort of off to the side cheerleading. Trump really hasn’t done anything bad to my country either. I haven’t noticed anything different around here economically from the Bush or Obama years. Only difference being a noticeable “Trump Effect” among some of the less desirable and less polite Canadians, inspired and emboldened by his 24/7 twatish behavior. Everything from the dialogue that takes me back to growing up in the 80’s, (a time I’d like to forget), to hearing about violent acts being committed against minorities.


We will see what is to transpire in the next 36 hours. I hope you’ve got a supply of fortified liquor at hand and a therapist on speed dial. If I was living in America I would hope to have a nice supply of guns around to protect myself from the crazies that’ll be unleashed if Trump loses. They’re a hell of a lot scarier than BLM protesters.

[George]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_neU2mR_Rtm4/SRCbBARFDEI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/fmB52DDCrN4/s1600/quimby2.jpg

[Rare White Ape]

How long before the polls close and we start seeing some results?

[FaultyMario]

6 am Greenwich. I think.

they might have to wait for polling stations on the Best Coast to close before they can start reporting numbers.

[sandydandy]

It's like the calm before the storm right now.

[Rare White Ape]

Yeah how long from now?

Please be kind to your antipodean friends who live in different time zones.

[JoshInKC]

I think some of the eastern timezone states close their polls at 7pm (eastern standard time), which is a little over 3 hours from now (14:45 CST). There will probably be something resembling results not too long after that from the states which are not really in play. Don't expect anything like answers from Pennsylvania or Florida before tomorrow morning unless it's a complete blow-out.

[sandydandy]

This is like waiting on the OJ verdict.

[Rare White Ape]

I think some of the eastern timezone states close their polls at 7pm (eastern standard time), which is a little over 3 hours from now (14:45 CST). There will probably be something resembling results not too long after that from the states which are not really in play. Don't expect anything like answers from Pennsylvania or Florida before tomorrow morning unless it's a complete blow-out.

Thanks for this.

If it’s any help, “3 hours from now” is 09:45 my time.

In 2016 we’d gotten relatively firm confirmation that Trump won by 15:45 that day.

So maybe 5-6 hours after polls close we will have a good idea of how it’s going.

[JoshInKC]

No problem. It honestly didn't occur to me to just figure out your timezone and do the math - I am completely brainfried after spending the day bouncing between teaching students (many of whom are freaking out because its their first presidential election) and doomscrolling. I actually had to check my math twice to make sure it made sense.


So maybe 5-6 hours after polls close we will have a good idea of how it’s going.
That "maybe" is probably going to be doing *a lot* of work.

Anyway, I'm going to get drunk now.

[MR2 Fan]

Florida doing Florida things....so constantly between 51-49% to 49-51% when more results are coming in

[Rare White Ape]

No problem. It honestly didn't occur to me to just figure out your timezone and do the math.

Anyway, I'm going to get drunk now.

Nah it’s seriously easier to say “x time from now” because your post will be time stamped and I’ll just follow that. For example, I’ll say I’ll be having lunch in 1 hour from now. You look at the time stamp and you can instantly translate that to your time zone.

And drinking sounds good. I wish I could drink but I’m stuck in a hospital and haven’t touched the bottle since October 13th.

[FaultyMario]

No problem. It honestly didn't occur to me to just figure out your timezone and do the math
Anyway, I'm going to get drunk now.

It's not like Mick has anything pressing to do ATM.

Yes, getting drunk tonight sounds like fun.

[FaultyMario]

What The Fuck is wrong with Michigan?

[FaultyMario]

Jersey is going to get weirder!

They voted yes on legal weed

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El8rwIBWMAAHKbT.jpg

[Freude am Fahren]

Medicinal or Recreational?

[FaultyMario]

Medicinal or Recreational?


NEW: New Jersey votes to legalize the possession, use, and sale of marijuana.

##

[sandydandy]

What The Fuck is wrong with Michigan? Wayne County (Detroit) slow to report. Biden should win that state.

[MR2 Fan]

lots of big cities in Ohio, PA, Georgia slow to report....I think we're going to see Biden win most of those, as well as possibly NC

[Leon]

After Brexit, and the first Trump election outcome, I just don't trust large chunks of humanity to not be mind blowingly stupid.

[G'day Mate]

Things are looking uncomfortably Trumpy to me right now ...

[sandydandy]

This shit won’t be decided until tomorrow. It’s far from over but I can’t watch anymore and am retiring for the night.

[MR2 Fan]

NC looks like it's going to be about as split 50/50 as possible.

I still predict Biden will win, but just barely

[Crazed_Insanity]

If there’s no Covid19, I guess trump would actually have a landslide victory?

Probably said similar thing 4 years ago, if it weren’t for the access Hollywood tape, he probably could’ve won by a landslide too?

Anyway, I’m more discouraged by the apparent GOP senate majority again... :(

Hope we will hear more positive news in the morning...

[G'day Mate]

Ok, so here’s how I see it and I’ll let one of you correct me.

Pennsylvania is critical. Currently 64% of their vote is counted and Trump holds a 14 point lead.

To me that seems too big a margin to be covered by a “blue shift” from the mail-in votes.

What have I got wrong?

[Leon]

How is it even possible for the USA to be this stupid, and bigoted?

[Rare White Ape]

Trump is on the podium at the White House.

He considers himself to have won the election, that the election is a fraud, and that they’re going to the US Supreme Court to block any further ballots from being counted.

[G'day Mate]

Apparently this sums it up:

Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania

Biden needs any two to win, Trump needs any three

[The359]

Pennsylvania accepts votes by mail until November 6th, so long as they were postmarked by November 3rd. So we wont have a final count until then.

[sandydandy]

Ok, so here’s how I see it and I’ll let one of you correct me.

Pennsylvania is critical. Currently 64% of their vote is counted and Trump holds a 14 point lead.

To me that seems too big a margin to be covered by a “blue shift” from the mail-in votes.

What have I got wrong? The two P’s in Pennsylvania are vastly underreported by hundreds of thousands of votes. Biden can and should cover that 14 point deficit when those numbers come in. I think Georgia and North Carolina are out of reach. Michigan and Wisconsin are still in play, presumably.

[Jason]

Even without PA, Biden has a really good shot at winning the election, though by just two electoral votes:

WI, MI, NV, and AZ are key (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/#AK:1,AL:1,AR:1,AZ:0,CA:0,CO:0,CT:0,DC:0,DE:0,FL:1 ,GA:1,HI:0,IA:1,ID:1,IL:0,IN:1,KS:1,KY:1,LA:1,MA:0 ,MD:0,M1:0,M2:1,ME:0,MI:0,MN:0,MO:1,MS:1,MT:1,NC:1 ,ND:1,NE:1,N1:1,N2:0,N3:1,NH:0,NJ:0,NM:0,NV:0,NY:0 ,OH:1,OK:1,OR:0,PA:1,RI:0,SC:1,SD:1,TN:1,TX:1,UT:1 ,VA:0,VT:0,WA:0,WI:0,WV:1,WY:1)

[drew]

I'm very depressed (but not really surprised) that the cheeto has half the vote. What the fuck is wrong with this country.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Even without PA, Biden has a really good shot at winning the election, though by just two electoral votes:

WI, MI, NV, and AZ are key (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-election-map/#AK:1,AL:1,AR:1,AZ:0,CA:0,CO:0,CT:0,DC:0,DE:0,FL:1 ,GA:1,HI:0,IA:1,ID:1,IL:0,IN:1,KS:1,KY:1,LA:1,MA:0 ,MD:0,M1:0,M2:1,ME:0,MI:0,MN:0,MO:1,MS:1,MT:1,NC:1 ,ND:1,NE:1,N1:1,N2:0,N3:1,NH:0,NJ:0,NM:0,NV:0,NY:0 ,OH:1,OK:1,OR:0,PA:1,RI:0,SC:1,SD:1,TN:1,TX:1,UT:1 ,VA:0,VT:0,WA:0,WI:0,WV:1,WY:1)

Let’s hope so!

Hard to believe things could be this close...

[Cam]

I'm very depressed (but not really surprised) that the cheeto has half the vote. What the fuck is wrong with this country.
I blame Fox. Keeping America dumb and misinformed since 1996.

[George]

Right now Fox is showing Biden with 238 votes vs. Trump with 213.

CNN is showing Biden with 227 vs. Trump's 213.

I am surprised Fox is giving Biden more projected electoral votes. Seems to me they would give their puppet ruler the benefit of the doubt at every opportunity.

[Crazed_Insanity]

CNN is being conservative I think! ;)

Most media outlets have Biden at 238 votes.

[sandydandy]

This election is bringing out the ugly in a lot of people. Last night a good friend of mine of 28 years had a meltdown and lashed out at the group of us, calling us brainwashed by the media because we questioned his belief that Biden was a pedophile and that Hillary drank kids blood. Plus he said a bunch of stuff about Hunter Biden fucking little boys or something, and that there's video proof from his laptop. Standard nutty stuff. The four of us are high school buddies who regularly keep in touch (which is rare) in a WhatsApp group together. This one guy is ex-military and has a habit of blurting out the weirdest shit (deep state etc) and last night he took it to another level by storming into our conversation with guns blazing and spouting his crazy theories, all the while being very insulting toward us for not sharing in his madness. In response we ridiculed and challenged him several times to produce evidence to back up his bizarre claims. With his back against the wall he said goodbye and exited the group. Reminds me a lot of roofer's exit from this community.

There is a sickness in society called conspiratorial thinking, and it's the root cause for why Trump is winning half the vote in America right now. This disease also transcends borders. Normal people like to deal with facts and evidence to draw their conclusions, but this new breed thinks badly edited YouTube videos with cheesy voiceovers is enough to suffice. It's fucked up.

I hope my friend cools off and comes back to our group. It's hard to stomach that he would throw away almost three decades of friendship because of his love for bullshit he's seen on YouTube. But these days you never know.

[Tom Servo]

Man, that's straight up QAnonsense. I'm really sorry to hear your friend has gotten sucked into that - I've got a couple of people I'd consider acquaintances who have, but thankfully no close friends that have fallen into that yet.

[Cam]

I implied on Instagram that I hope people vote for the non-racist. I got a few DMs saying Trump is the non-racist. I do not even engage, just block, because there is no reasoning with the unreasonable.

[FaultyMario]

I'm very depressed (but not really surprised) that the cheeto has half the vote. What the fuck is wrong with this country.

too big a fandom, too small a citizenship.

[Crazed_Insanity]

...

I hope my friend cools off and comes back to our group. It's hard to stomach that he would throw away almost three decades of friendship because of his love for bullshit he's seen on YouTube. But these days you never know.

Wow. Luckily I don’t have any close friends like that...

But perhaps I’m that kind of friend for my friends? :D

Anyway, have pity for your friend. After all, they are like Sarah Connor or Neo and the gang... thought they’re trying to save us?

I personally don’t believe the Qanon crap, but I have to admit that thanks to Jeff Epstein, I don’t completely write it off either. Real truth is probably somewhere in between? I have no solid evidences proving either way.., if I’m gonna believe something without evidences, I’d rather choose the gospel story! :p

[drew]

"I love the poorly educated" was the most honest thing he's ever said. While they (fore-mentioned poorly educated) interpreted it as "I want to help them", the rest of us knew exactly what he meant. "I love dumbfucks, and they'll vote for me and love me for telling them they're dumbfucks, because they're dumbfucks."

[FaultyMario]

Standing By: Right-Wing Militia Groups & the US Election (https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/ACLEDMilitiaWatch_StandingByMilitiaGroups_2020Web. pdf)

https://acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/MilitiaMap1.png


There has been a major realignment of militia movements in the US from anti-federal government writ large to mostly supporting one candidate, thereby generally positioning the militia movement alongside a political party. This has resulted in the further entrenchment of a connection between these groups’ identities and politics under the Trump administration, with the intention of preserving and promoting a limited and warped understanding of US history and culture.

These armed groups engage in hybrid tactics. They train for urban and rural combat while also mixing public relations, propaganda works, and ‘security operations’ via both online and physical social platforms to engage those outside of the militia sphere. There is an increasing narrative and trend that groups are organizing to ‘supplement’ the work of law enforcement or to place themselves in a narrowly defined ‘public protection’ role in parallel with police departments of a given locale.

Ahead of the election, right-wing militia activity has been dominated by reactions to recent social justice activism like the Black Lives Matter movement, public health restrictions due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic, and other perceived threats to the ‘liberty’ and ‘freedoms’ of these groups.

And right-wing militia groups are often highly competitive with one another, but many have coalesced around this period of heightened political tension, and have even brought Proud Boys and QAnon-linked groups into the fold. While some groups have indicated that they are receptive to calls for deescalation and conflict avoidance, they remain vulnerable to hardline elements that may work clandestinely towards violent action aimed at dominating public space around the election.


Non-Right-Wing Groups

Amid rising political tensions ahead of the election, groups have organized across the ideological spectrum. The vast majority of militias identified over the summer are right-wing, and their activity is widespread and growing. Left-wing militia activity is not as pronounced, and while the specter of ‘Antifa’ looms large in the public imagination, violent activities associated with this non-centralized movement have been minimal, and are often expressed in cyber actions (like doxxing), and with minimal rioting that typically does not involve threats or harm to individuals.
‘Antifa’

The loosely organized anti-fascist movement known as ‘Antifa’ engages in two primary activities relevant to the behavior under review in this report. Local and interstate networks of antifascists organize counter-mobilization against right-wing street organizing, including against many of the groups analyzed below. The majority of ‘Antifa’ energy is spent towards counterintelligence operations, primarily doxxing right-wing activists and organizing publicly and semi-publicly available information. Antifa-affiliated activists are also rarely armed and do not exhibit a pattern of recruitment, training, and integration into a chain-of-command, like most militia and armed groups.


Not Fucking Around Coalition

The Not Fucking Around Coalition (NFAC) is a burgeoning Black separatist movement that, in many ways, is a direct reaction to many of the groups analyzed below. The NFAC is an all-Black, armed activist movement started and led by an Atlanta DJ known as Grandmaster Jay. They have appeared in opposition to mostly-white right-wing militia movements and continue to call for retribution for Breonna Taylor’s death at the hands of the Louisville police. While they clearly draw from and instrumentalize left-wing militant aesthetics (such as the Black Panther Party of the 1970s), they do not have an explicitly leftist political program. In the past months, the leader of the NFAC has begun to call for the establishment of a separatist Black ethnostate in Texas, and has attempted to align his movement with other Black armed movements like the New Black Panther Party (not affiliated with the original Panthers and widely disavowed by the same).

The NFAC have been active across at least three states and Washington, DC since the start of the summer, including in their ‘home’ state of Georgia; Kentucky, where they have shown up in Louisville in support of Breonna Taylor; and Louisiana. The group has shown up exclusively in the context of protests. For example, in late July, about 2,500 armed and 300 unarmed NFAC members held a rally in Louisville, Kentucky in support of the BLM movement, demanding justice for Breonna Taylor. The group was met by III%ers counter-protesting, resulting in verbal sparring between the two groups, though police in heavy riot gear kept both sides apart.

[Tom Servo]

Sounds like AP has called Wisconsin and Michigan for Biden. I, however, am a Chargers fan and that means no lead is ever big enough.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yes! Don’t matter about holding the lead, need to cross over to 270 1st!

[Rare White Ape]

Currently it’s Biden 264 vs Trump 214

Looks like there’s a real possibility that Biden could win this.

There are four states still in play with Trump leading three of them. Biden only needs 6 electoral votes to cross the line.

The states are:

Nevada (Biden lead) 6 votes
Georgia (Trump lead) 16 votes
North Carolina (Trump lead) 15 votes
Pennsylvania (Trump lead) 20 votes

If Biden wins any one state, he will be president.

If Trump wins all remaining states, he will be president.

Doing the math assuming it stays as it is the end result will be:

Biden 270 (win) Trump 265 (loss)

[Crazed_Insanity]

I can’t believe it’s this tight...

W and Gore race was kinda tight back then too... but hopefully democrats will win this time...

[MR2 Fan]

I think Biden also takes Georgia and Pennsylvania

[Crazed_Insanity]

What happened to Georgia? I thought it’s red! Amazing!

[sandydandy]

Doing the math assuming it stays as it is the end result will be:

Biden 270 (win) Trump 265 (loss) It’ll be 270 to 268 for Biden. You forgot Alaska and their 3 votes for Trump.

So Biden has 264 so far, but some places are saying 253. Not everyone is giving him Arizona’s 11 votes yet. Weird.

[G'day Mate]

Ok so now Biden needs only one of Nev, Pa, Ga and SC, but could quite possibly take all four. Trump needs everything that’s left to win.

[G'day Mate]

Oh, but then it all goes to court I suppose

[MR2 Fan]

The more states Biden wins, the MUCH more difficult road Trump has to challenge any of the results

[neanderthal]

The ballots being counted now are mostly the mail in/ absentee ballots. Which is what Democrats were pushing their voters to do.

Biden should clear 270. Might even win them all.

[Cam]

It ain't over 'till it's over.

[G'day Mate]

Biden should clear 270. Might even win them all.

Presuming Trump wins Alaska that’d leave him at 217. Clinton got 232 ...

[Leon]

It ain't over 'till it's over.

it aint over until the orange idiot doesn't have any more money to spend, trying to disrupt or deny legal process.

[sandydandy]

Imbeciles with guns are disrupting AZ vote counting station. They’re going to shut down early.

[Tom Servo]

They've now said they're not shutting down.

What's fun is you have people supporting the same candidate demanding that AZ keep counting, that MI stop counting, and that WI recount.

[FaultyMario]

Branko Milanovic's predictions for a Biden presidency are kinda bleak: https://twitter.com/BMarchetich/status/1324011123285258241?s=19

[FaultyMario]

Have Democrat candidates won the popular vote in the last 8 elections?

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elb8uzMUUAAD2GZ.jpg

[Phil_SS]

Have Democrat candidates won the popular vote in the last 8 elections?

I would be surprised if John Kerry got more votes in 2004.

[Tom Servo]

There's some weird stat going around about the popular vote, but per Wikipedia's page about it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin, only 2000 and 2016 saw the winner lose the popular vote. Otherwise, you have to go back to Harrison in 1888 before that happened again.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, electoral vote and popular vote mismatch is often the exceptions rather than the rule...

Hope we won’t have another ’exception’ happening this year.

[FaultyMario]

Do we give this photo the universal medal of awesomeness now or do we wait until December?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmE0bcoXgAA_v6L.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Best election meme I've seen:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmE5fNAXgAcLcsU.jpg

[neanderthal]

There's some weird stat going around about the popular vote, but per Wikipedia's page about it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin, only 2000 and 2016 saw the winner lose the popular vote. Otherwise, you have to go back to Harrison in 1888 before that happened again.

It also means Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 1992.

[FaultyMario]

I was taught in HS that tampering with the postal service was a big crime. Has that changed? could USPS officials be charged with a felony for deliberately slowing the processing of mailed-in ballots?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFFDCnXEAIXW1C.jpg

[FaultyMario]

Best election meme I've seen:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmE5fNAXgAcLcsU.jpg

This (https://twitter.com/nacholozano/status/1324380363527999489?s=20)elevates the meme to an artform.

[The359]

I was taught in HS that tampering with the postal service was a big crime. Has that changed? could USPS officials be charged with a felony for deliberately slowing the processing of mailed-in ballots?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFFDCnXEAIXW1C.jpg

Based on our new plant manager we've had for the past month, I hope so... :|

Literally picking through unprocessed mail to find any ballots right now.

[sandydandy]

Best election meme I've seen:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmE5fNAXgAcLcsU.jpg It's really great, but why the spoiler tags?

[FaultyMario]

Because I'm not sure how wide the images from twitter really are, wrapping them in the spoiler tags avoids wrecking havoc on mobile devices.

[sandydandy]

Actually the spoiler tags make it impossible to see the content on the mobile version of the forum.

[FaultyMario]

D'uh!

[MR2 Fan]

it's possibly not serious speculation, but some are thinking that certain states are afraid to announce the results that would bring Biden the victory as they're afraid of Trump terrorists...erm supporters starting trouble in their state

[Tom Servo]

It also means Republicans haven't won the popular vote since 1992.

Naah, they did in 2004.

[Tom Servo]

Because I'm not sure how wide the images from twitter really are, wrapping them in the spoiler tags avoids wrecking havoc on mobile devices.

The [ IMG ] tags should handle sizing for whatever device for you, the image should attempt to show in full size but scale down if that exceeds the available space.

[Crazed_Insanity]

This (https://twitter.com/nacholozano/status/1324380363527999489?s=20)elevates the meme to an artform.
That was awesome!

[Crazed_Insanity]

Naah, they did in 2004.

Yeah, W did win the popular vote 2nd time around fair and square!

Trump should not be able to repeat W’s success this time around.

[Rare White Ape]

Because I'm not sure how wide the images from twitter really are, wrapping them in the spoiler tags avoids wrecking havoc on mobile devices.

Yeah please omit the spoiler tags unless for actual spoilers (like a sporting event or a tv show) as we plebs on phones can’t see anything.

Plus the mobile version of the forum always keeps images within the bounds of the left and right margins, so it never wreaks havoc.

[FaultyMario]

There, fixxor'd!

[sandydandy]

D'uh! Was that the whole point? :lol:

[stephenb]

Jeez, some of these republicans are certified crazy! Just let the officials count the votes FFS. Thank goodness we don't have any of this in the UK.

[Godson]

You can view the spoilers tag, you just need to click the "full site" tag at the bottom.

[sandydandy]

Georgia getting ready to bleed blue. Biden closing in.

This whole thing will end in Pennsylvania. Philadelphia specifically, which is so fitting given it’s where the constitution was created. I think.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise!

However the unpleasant surprise was the lack of blue waves in congress... really hoping it could turn bluer...

As the election results return to the source of our constitution in Pennsylvania... Will the US matrix be rebooted? Is Biden the one to get rid of agent Trump? Stay tuned!

[Freude am Fahren]

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3636&d=1604630784

3636

[sandydandy]

Haha nice!

[neanderthal]

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3636&d=1604630784

3636

:lol:


In Georgia it was Stacy Abrams.

Someone make her the chair of the DNC yesterday already please!!!

[Rare White Ape]

Georgia?!?!?!?

The state with the largest bas-relief artwork in the world, that just so happens to be the largest monument to confederate leadership, and is also regarded as an icon of white supremacy?

Well I never.

[G'day Mate]

Never, ever.

[MR2 Fan]

I think Biden also takes Georgia and Pennsylvania

Just quoting myself....nothing to see here :D

[FaultyMario]

I was also taught in uni that the job of journalism was to report on events and then explain them to the audience, and if deemed necessary, to judge them.

I think what NBC, ABC and the other network did was against the interest of the audiences' right to information.

[sandydandy]

Stop the count!!

I support that idea now.

[neanderthal]

And Pennsylvania!!!!

https://alex.github.io/nyt-2020-election-scraper/battleground-state-changes.html

[sandydandy]

Apparently a potential terrorist attack was thwarted last night by police in Philadelphia. Some heavily armed out of state right-wing assholes were going to storm the building where they’re counting votes.

Biden will likely win the presidency, but the ugliness will continue indefinitely. That’s a sad thing.

[Tom Servo]

And of course the heavily armed out of state right-wing assholes were driving a Hummer with "Q" and a "WWG1WGA" stickers on it.

[FaultyMario]

A terrorist attack was carried out last night against the offices of the MAS Party in Bolivia. Dynamite was detonated as president-elect Luis Arce was inside the building. He was unharmed.

See a pattern here?

[Crazed_Insanity]

The only pattern I see clearly now with 2020 vision is that things get crazy.

For you specific example, yeah, that terrorizing virus attacked our White House, but Trump was unharmed! :p

[FaultyMario]

Why colorized geographical maps might not be the most useful information tools to report elections (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-03/a-complete-guide-to-misleading-election-maps).

[sandydandy]

And of course the heavily armed out of state right-wing assholes were driving a Hummer with "Q" and a "WWG1WGA" stickers on it. It’s QAzy as fuck.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I was also taught in uni that the job of journalism was to report on events and then explain them to the audience, and if deemed necessary, to judge them.

I think what NBC, ABC and the other network did was against the interest of the audiences' right to information.

That did you mean by that?

[Tom Servo]

Looks like the QAzy folks are also tied to Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase: https://twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1324591491986137089

[MR2 Fan]

It seems Biden now has a 99.999999997 chance of winning but they still can't call it done yet...whew

[Freude am Fahren]

I was also taught in uni that the job of journalism was to report on events and then explain them to the audience, and if deemed necessary, to judge them.

I think what NBC, ABC and the other network did was against the interest of the audiences' right to information.


That did you mean by that?

Part of the job is also to judge the sources you're airing information from. If it's clearly a kook spouting bullshit, you would never think to air it. But yeah, it's the president, but still.

[Crazed_Insanity]

It seems Biden now has a 99.999999997 chance of winning but they still can't call it done yet...whew

Biden certainly has the edge at this point, but which ever side wins in the end, such closeness of election results will most certainly deepen our nation's divide...

There's no chance we could count on Trump to help heal our nation, so hopefully Biden will rise to the challenge.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Part of the job is also to judge the sources you're airing information from. If it's clearly a kook spouting bullshit, you would never think to air it. But yeah, it's the president, but still.

If you're talking about the president himself saying BS, you can't just not report it. We viewers have the right to choose to ignore stuffs Trump said, but news media shouldn't do that. Of course journalists should also have the integrity to challenge president's BS. Engage a president full of shit rather than just ignore and silence him in attempt to shield the public from such misinformation. I don't think that's media's job.

Media doesn't have to give somebody like Billi the time of day, but media can't ignore the president.

Put everything on the table and let the viewers decide which things on the table are BS. Voters are not that stupid. Even the ones in the red states.

[Rare White Ape]

Don’t call Qanon Qazy.

I like to think of them as Qunts.

[Cam]

:lol::up:

[Leon]

If it's clearly a kook spouting bullshit, the president.

Some creative editing was applied by myself here ;)

[FaultyMario]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmJDPJ0XUAQyU-3.jpg

- Six... Seven... Eight!
- Stop the count!

[sandydandy]

They need to call PA now. It’s clear where it’s going.

[Kchrpm]

If you're talking about the president himself saying BS, you can't just not report it.

They stopped showing it because they feel that it is false information that is inciting violence, chaos, and distrust in democracy period. They do not want to give additional volume for the safety of the public. That's a reasonable decision for a journalist to make.

[MR2 Fan]

reminder, there's now 4 million more votes for Biden overall and this thing still isn't "over"....electoral college needs to GTFO

[Rare White Ape]

Looking like a walkover now. The three states in play for the Dems equal a whopping 42 EC votes.

[Tom Servo]

They need to call PA now. It’s clear where it’s going.

Even if the news orgs call it, Trump won't concede, so it doesn't really matter. The only actual answer is when the states certify their results and that won't happen for another few weeks most likely.

The calling it thing only works if both candidates are normal, rational people. That is not our current situation.

[Rare White Ape]

But… seeing as Trump is facing an embarrassing future as a single term president (oh my heart what a fine thing to see!) the USA and the world will now have to deal with whatever shit Biden throws out there.

Please be vigilant and give him no quarter, as a citizenry should whenever anyone takes office.

[Tom Servo]

I honestly kinda expect Biden to not do all that much except try to undo a bunch of the damage that Trump did. It's sorta the way of American politics. A republican comes in and trashes the place, a democrat comes in and tries to clean it up, then everyone complains nothing gets done and elects a republican.

I would love to see the filibuster abolished, DC and Puerto Rico made states, and the electoral college abolished, but that's my immediate wishlist.

[Yw-slayer]

RWA, man, remember that he is a single-term President FOR NOW. I can see him running again in 2024, then after that Pence/Pompeo. Billi would love that, of course.

[neanderthal]

But… seeing as Trump is facing an embarrassing future as a single term president (oh my heart what a fine thing to see!) the USA and the world will now have to deal with whatever shit Biden throws out there.

Please be vigilant and give him no quarter, as a citizenry should whenever anyone takes office.

I may have to unblock Trump on twitter. Then, every time he tweets, simply reply "Obama got 2 terms!"

[Crazed_Insanity]

Not sure if I’d love that but Biden self proclaimed to be a single termer, so unless we lock him up, trump could definitely make a come back come 2024.

[drew]

RWA, man, remember that he is a single-term President FOR NOW. I can see him running again in 2024, then after that Pence/Pompeo. Billi would love that, of course.

Can convicted felons run for president? Would certainly seem fucked up if they could, yet convicted felons can't VOTE.

There needs to be a lot of reform happening.

Again, fuck the electoral college.

This shitshow would have already been done 3 days ago.

[Yw-slayer]

Can convicted felons run for president?

I don't know about in your country, but anyway, you're assuming he'll be convicted for something in-between now and 2024?

[drew]

Wishful thinking. Hoping that the day he leaves, he, his inner circle, and his whole fucking shitbag family are buried in indictments from the SDNY.

[Rikadyn]

Can convicted felons run for president? Would certainly seem fucked up if they could, yet convicted felons can't VOTE.

There needs to be a lot of reform happening.

Again, fuck the electoral college.

This shitshow would have already been done 3 days ago.

Eugene V. Debs ran for president while in prison(for sedition) and got 6%...

[Yw-slayer]

Wishful thinking. Hoping that the day he leaves, he, his inner circle, and his whole fucking shitbag family are buried in indictments from the SDNY.

Don't get your hopes up, man.

[drew]

Yeah, I know.

The tangerine twunt is about to give a "press conference" in 20 minutes.

Pretty sure it WON'T be a concession announcement, since 20 minutes ago he tweeted he won the election, "by a lot", all caps, so he must really mean it.

He will just keep stoking the doubt to cause chaos. This "speech" will be nothing different, I'll give it 15 seconds, and I'm changing the channel.

[Tom Servo]

Again, purely symbolic, but pretty much all the major news sources, including Fox, have called it for Biden.

[Fiat500]

It's been a long time coming, but what a relief.
Watching Van Jones' reaction on CNN was very powerful.

[sandydandy]

Even if the news orgs call it, Trump won't concede, so it doesn't really matter. The only actual answer is when the states certify their results and that won't happen for another few weeks most likely.

The calling it thing only works if both candidates are normal, rational people. That is not our current situation. Concession isn’t necessary, only removal. Either willingly or by force, (and I do hope it’s by force and that it’s televised).

Somebody said it perfectly the other day, that Trump hasn’t done a single presidential thing in four years so they don’t expect him to do the presidential thing of conceding either, and that’s fine.

Finally Biden is declared and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

[neanderthal]

We won.

But, now we have to buckle down, dig deep, and donate/ phone bank/ whatever to make sure people in Georgia elect Ossoff and Warnock in January. We have to overwhelm their airwaves with our ads. And make sure the on the ground entities that register voters have the money to do what needs to be done.

[neanderthal]

Concession isn’t necessary, only removal. Either willingly or by force, (and I do hope it’s by force and that it’s televised).

Somebody said it perfectly the other day, that Trump hasn’t done a single presidential thing in four years so they don’t expect him to do the presidential thing of conceding either, and that’s fine.

Finally Biden is declared and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

Whether or not he concedes he's getting evicted. Like you said, it's not necessary for him to do so, although it has become customary.

[Tom Servo]

Definitely. Concessions aren't necessary, they're also symbolic just like the news orgs calling the election. The only thing that actually matters is when the states certify their results and who that makes the winner on Jan. 20th.

The big positive to the news calling the race is that the public now feels like the question is answered. It'll be a lot harder for Trump to try to ram something through the courts without having the public turn on him even more than they have in the past. Trump's never been a popular president, but people do believe he was legitimately elected in 2016. It'd be an entirely different matter if people think he's trying to stay in office without actually having been elected.

[MR2 Fan]

We won! Now Welcome to:

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3637&d=1604774177

[Jason]

We won.

But, now we have to buckle down, dig deep, and donate/ phone bank/ whatever to make sure people in Georgia elect Ossoff and Warnock in January. We have to overwhelm their airwaves with our ads. And make sure the on the ground entities that register voters have the money to do what needs to be done.

Georgia is going to be tough, but we can do it if we convince Georgians to get to the polls.

I think https://fairfight.com/ Is what Stacey Abrams put together to get people registered for the general election with great success.

[sandydandy]

It's been a long time coming, but what a relief.
Watching Van Jones' reaction on CNN was very powerful. It was very powerful. I teared up a bit too. I felt bad that I made fun of him four years ago calling him a crybaby, cause I had no idea it would be this bad under Trump. I’ve seen how it’s leaked over the border into my country too, and it’s really shitty. I’m happy for Van Jones, he speaks the truth for minorities everywhere.

[neanderthal]

They just announced he won Nevada too.

[neanderthal]

Georgia is going to be tough, but we can do it if we convince Georgians to get to the polls.

I think https://fairfight.com/ Is what Stacey Abrams put together to get people registered for the general election with great success.

Yup.
We (speaking for myself) need to really help the effort to get people registered and to the polls in Georgia.

Republicans are going to frame it as "the last wall of defense against democrats impending socialism ..." in all their messaging.

But Trump was really the figurehead wretched as he was: McConnell was the power. McConnell MUST be demoted. Which, being that he won his election, can only happen if we win those two seats in Georgia.

<edit> I just donated.

[Rare White Ape]

So…

It’s official?

[Rare White Ape]

Are we now referring to him as president-elect Joseph Robinette Biden Jr?

[Crazed_Insanity]

Trump law suits tossed out, even Fox News declared Biden the winner... can we get more official than that?

There can’t possibly be others states that changes color after recounts, right?

In retrospect, Trump is like Covid19 I guess. Both are no good, but at least trump ceased US meddling with nations around the world and COVID helped stop global warming a bit..., but of course both shouldn’t be allowed to continue to rule over our lives.

Look forward to the day when we can remove COVID-19 as well!

[FaultyMario]

Georgia is going to be tough, but we can do it if we convince Georgians to get to the polls.

I think https://fairfight.com/ Is what Stacey Abrams put together to get people registered for the general election with great success.

Stacey Abrams is an American hero.

[Leon]

70,000,000 Americans voted for the lunatic.

That is a deeply divided country. Hopefully they can undo the damage done, by this walking cautionary tale, and his greed.

[FaultyMario]

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Friday that Joe Biden “deserves” to have his Cabinet appointees confirmed by the Senate if he ends up the winner of the presidential election.

Can anybody translate?

[mk]

Like it says, cabinet members are appointees until Senate confirms them.
Or like many Trump's staff, caretakers.

[drew]

I can translate. Fuck Lindsey Graham.



Leon, it saddens me, immensely, that he yielded 8M more votes than in 2016, AFTER completely buttfucking the COVID "response".

So much so, in fact, that I'm inclined to assume every other person I see in the grocery store is a dumbfuck.

This shouldn't have been anywhere near this close. It says volumes about the people in this country. Granted, I doubt 1/3 of the total eligible voters actually voted. Which leads to another point, if you didn't vote, you are complicit by abstinence.

I know full well what that means, because I voted the first time in 2012 (ever, for Obama). I never gave politics a thought, until 2016. If nothing else, the orange fuckstain opened my eyes that there was something really, REALLY wrong with this country. Most of what he campaigned on (spouting the corruption shit, etc) was spot on, but he didn't have to BE the one doing it. The complicity of the GOP was another eye-opener. That a goup of elected official can turn a blind eye to openly unconstitutional/immoral, etc acts and statements... Well, fuck them.

The really sad part (for me anyway), is the end of friendships and family relationships, due to this asshole, that I'm not sure can be undone. He cultivated so much hate and divisiveness, that they still won't listen to anything that is reasonable or objective. You're still a libtard, and against Trump.

If I'm a libtard, I'll happily be one.

Fuck right-wing cunts.

[neanderthal]

I can translate. Fuck Lindsey Graham.



Leon, it saddens me, immensely, that he yielded 8M more votes than in 2016, AFTER completely buttfucking the COVID "response".

So much so, in fact, that I'm inclined to assume every other person I see in the grocery store is a dumbfuck.

This shouldn't have been anywhere near this close. It says volumes about the people in this country. Granted, I doubt 1/3 of the total eligible voters actually voted. Which leads to another point, if you didn't vote, you are complicit by abstinence.

I know full well what that means, because I voted the first time in 2012 (ever, for Obama). I never gave politics a thought, until 2016. If nothing else, the orange fuckstain opened my eyes that there was something really, REALLY wrong with this country. Most of what he campaigned on (spouting the corruption shit, etc) was spot on, but he didn't have to BE the one doing it. The complicity of the GOP was another eye-opener. That a goup of elected official can turn a blind eye to openly unconstitutional/immoral, etc acts and statements... Well, fuck them.

The really sad part (for me anyway), is the end of friendships and family relationships, due to this asshole, that I'm not sure can be undone. He cultivated so much hate and divisiveness, that they still won't listen to anything that is reasonable or objective. You're still a libtard, and against Trump.

If I'm a libtard, I'll happily be one.

Fuck right-wing cunts.

:up:

Not every Trump voter is a racist, but they decided racism wasn't enough of a deal breaker. And that's enough for me.

[Rare White Ape]

That truly sucks Drew. I’ve lost friends over their purely hateful right wing views as well. When Christchurch lost 50 people the bile being spat by a large number of friends caused me to perform a swift cull on Facebook. It sickened me to my core.

Closer friends… you just grow distant and stop talking to them. Eventually they exit your life, and you don’t feel too sad about it.

Hopefully now Biden will be able to drive unity within your country and start leading a global push towards just being good cunts to each other.

[drew]

Yep. My line of rationale: if you're complicit, you are.

You're ok with "fine people, on both sides", "rapists, drug dealers and murders", "shut down all travel from Muslim countries", kids in cages, and/or taken from their parents.


In other words, fuck you.


Michael, when this plague shit is over, we're coming to Australia for a few weeks. But only if I can punt a koala. Because, America.

[Rare White Ape]

In other good news, it appears that we’ve seen the end of Qanon. The account hasn’t posted anything since Election Day and is reportedly up for sale for $1M.

Qanon followers are now floundering and wondering what to do next.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-lost-and-confused-after-trumps-election-showing

[Tom Servo]

I dunno, doomsday cults don't often just up and realize they're wrong.

[MR2 Fan]

In the most wild and unpredictable presidency ever, what just happened REALLY takes the cake! Trump even tweeted out the correction to ensure people show up at this Four Seasons..........................Landscaping Company

@VaushV
Oh my fucking god it’s real. The Trump team booked the wrong “four seasons” and now it all ends in a landscaping firm parking lot. Unbelievable. It should be illegal to be this happy


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmPmgXPU4AAIVQG?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmPmgXTU0AADN_O?format=jpg&name=large

[Freude am Fahren]

:lol:

It's like Parks & Recreation came true.

[Jason]

:lol:

How absolutely fitting

[Leon]

I'm confuse and amuse. In roughly equal amounts.

[Freude am Fahren]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-team-news-conference.html

[Crazed_Insanity]

Listening to Biden’s speech, like what I hear! May he also be able to deliver his promises! May QAnon truly be dead and Trump in hiding and never come back!!!

[sandydandy]

Good speech by Joe Biden. Kamala's Harris' words were outstanding and very inspirational.

Trump continues to sit on his toilet, fuming at his imagined injustice.

[MR2 Fan]

people are thinking the drones used tonight for Biden's speech are cool....I still think drones are scary, no matter who in government has them.

[Kchrpm]

Drones as camera platforms are very cool. There are some fantastic shots in the latest Bad Boys movie made with a drone camera...which I can't find on YouTube.