Run for cover! (The Ford Mustang Thread)

[SkylineObsession]

Haha, same. :D

*Heads off to Youtube to find clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9d-HhblD0

[Alan P]

I know! Lets take a car to a country where we're not releasing it and put it on show and make a big deal of it! (Ford have said we won't get the 350R over here.)

[The359]

Well, it is Goodwood, there's a lot of stuff there that isn't production.

[Random]

I know! Lets take a car to a country where we're not releasing it and put it on show and make a big deal of it! (Ford have said we won't get the 350R over here.)

Haha, suck it!

(For once)

[Sad, little man]

I got to sit in a GT350 a week or two ago. Basic impressions are.

A) It has a steering wheel button with a little shock absorber on it. The mere presence of this makes me happy in the pants.

B) It has a toggle switch on the dash with a picture of an exhaust tip on it. I consider this to be an intriguing artifact worthy of investigation should I ever drive it.

C) The shift feel running through the gears sitting still is spectacular. I consider the NA Miata to be the gold standard of shift feel, and this feels just about as good, though not really identical.

D) The clutch is absurdly soft. Too soft. Maybe some over-worked drivetrain engineer deep within the bowels of the product development center managed to somehow get that marshmallow of a 3rd pedal to accurately communicate the feel of the clutch to the driver's foot, but I would be surprised if it did. I can't really hold it against the car unless I actually drive it, but just sitting there, it did not feel confidence inspiring.

[Freude am Fahren]

B) probably just flaps to quiet it, like on many hearty sounding cars these days (F-Type, C7)

D) also very common these days.

[novicius]

I got to sit in a GT350 a week or two ago.
Cool -- here's hoping you get to drive one soon. ;) :up:

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Ford's Mustang pulls ahead in sales race. (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/06/29/mustang-sales/29494987/)


Sales of the Dearborn automaker's pony car are up 55 percent in the United States through the first five months of the year, and it's outselling its biggest rival — the Chevrolet Camaro — for the first time since 2009.

Through May, Ford sold 56,571 Mustangs; Chevy sold 33,982 Camaros, according to Autodata Corp. The Dodge Challenger is in third place, with 30,166 sold. The Mustang's sizzling start to the year can be attributed to its 50th-anniversary redesign and a new 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder that are attracting younger buyers, especially in Southern California.

If the Mustang's blistering sales pace continues — Ford expects around a 40 percent sales gain for June when results are tallied Wednesday — it will finish the year as the best-selling muscle car for the first time in six years. But analysts say its crown could be challenged when the redesigned sixth-generation Camaro goes on sale late this year.

"The newness certainly helps vehicles in this segment," Matt DeLorenzo, managing editor at Kelley Blue Book, said in an interview.

The deciding factor in the pony car segment — both this year and in the future — may not be the purists who crave V-8 engines and buckets of horsepower in cars that only leave the garage on weekends. More important are millennials — buyers through their early 30s — who prefer four-cylinders and improved fuel economy in a sleek, everyday driver.

Nationwide, 35 percent of Mustang buyers are millennials, Ford said. Last year, that number was 30 percent. In Southern California, young buyers snap up 40 percent of Mustangs sold. Ford says the Mustang is selling particularly well in the important Southern California market. Sales there are up 117 percent, Ford said. Erich Merkle, Ford's sales analyst, said, "It's done everything we've tried to do: maintain our traditional buyer, but be able to grow into a new buyer as well."

DeLorenzo said that's because younger buyers crave good fuel economy wrapped in stylish design. The Mustang's four-cylinder, the 2.3-liter EcoBoost is responsible for nearly all of its sales growth. It delivers 310 horsepower while getting 32 miles per gallon on the highway; the 2014 model's 3.7-liter V-6 produced 305 horsepower and got 31 mpg highway.
Incremental increase with undoubtedly small improvements coming down the pipe whenever the new Camaro debuts. :up:

[novicius]

Also let's be fucking honest here: a new Mustang GT is now the worst deal currently on the market. :p

Seriously, if you've got the monthly payment for a $40K+ GT Premium (which, let's face it, is how much a GT Premium w/. Performance Pack plus sundry other options, not even a top-of-the-line model) then may the Elder Gods strike you down for not paying the extra "$20 or so" a month for a GT350. :smh:

[thesameguy]

That of course is predicated on the idea that both the GT and the GT350 are selling at MSRP, and I'll bet the GT sells for less and the GT350 for more. You're probably looking at like $28/mo difference.

:P

[novicius]

:lol: #truth

[KillerB]

Yeah, come 2016, the delta will be less, but the GT350 probably won't be selling at much of a discount, while near year-end you'll get several thousand off a GT.

That said, I have no interest in trading the Challenger in on a GT, but a GT350... Like I said earlier, "8,250 RPM? Shut up and take my money!"

[novicius]

All true -- and it doesn't change the fact that one can get a quicker 392-cube Challenger R/T Scat Pack car for the SAME money as an otherwise forgettable GT. Does not compute.

So of the three pony cars, the smart money sounds like it'll jump from the base turbocharged four Camaro to the aforementioned Chally R/T Scat Pack (unless the Camaro SS comes in cheaper) to the GT350 and then probably back to some top-tier Camaro (ZL1 or Z/28) -- again, just talking performance for the money.

[KillerB]

I'm not counting the new Camaro toward anything until we've got some actual data.

[Biggdogg]

At least right now dealers arent even selling at msrp in my area. I was told I could get one at msrp at my local dealer, went in ready to put a down payment down on a 2016 Avalanche Grey with the tech pack and black roof and black stripes, he had the paper printed out and when he got back to the desk he said they thought they were getting 2, but now they are only getting 1 there would be a $5000 markup, so I left. If anyone knows of one at msrp let me know. I figure later on it wont be as bad, since at least the regular 350 wont be an overly rare car with it being a 5 year run with 5000 a year. The R being considerably more rare with 500 a year. Everything I have seen about the R I love, resonators removed to get that amazing sound, and the only way to get the recaro seats and have some of the interior amenities to make it a suitable car to drive daily except during the winter. I am just terrified of curbing a carbon fiber wheel.

[novicius]

At least right now dealers arent even selling at msrp in my area. I was told I could get one at msrp at my local dealer, went in ready to put a down payment down on a 2016 Avalanche Grey with the tech pack and black roof and black stripes, he had the paper printed out and when he got back to the desk he said they thought they were getting 2, but now they are only getting 1 there would be a $5000 markup, so I left. If anyone knows of one at msrp let me know.
For just a GT? Insanity! I hope this makes the value of my Bananastang increase... :lol:

New 2016 Ford Mustang GT Premium (V8, 6-spd, Perf Pack) (http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=53704&listingId=403430925) - $42,995 USD.

It is in Kansas City... ;)



I'm not counting the new Camaro toward anything until we've got some actual data.
I enjoy trying to guess as to future products' performance. If I'm wrong, so what? :D

[Godson]

We could totally grab a beer at boulevard..

[Biggdogg]

No Novi that was for the Shelby. Best deals were seeing on the mustang boards for standard Mustangs are from Koonz Ford in Baltimore. Some people are getting flat out amazing deals there if you are willing to make the drive.

[XHawkeye]

2015 Ford Mustang GT: Suspension Walkaround (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-ford-mustang-gt-suspension-walkaround.html)

http://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/ford/mustang-gt/2015/lt/2015_ford_mustang-gt_det_lt_5271515_717.jpg

http://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/ford/mustang-gt/2015/lt/2015_ford_mustang-gt_det_lt_527158_717.jpg

[novicius]

No Novi that was for the Shelby. Best deals were seeing on the mustang boards for standard Mustangs are from Koonz Ford in Baltimore. Some people are getting flat out amazing deals there if you are willing to make the drive.
Ah ok, whew! Sanity levels restored somewhat (but I still can't get over the '16 GT's MSRP). :up:

First-year runs for the Shelby are going to be gouged badly, no joke. Obviously one might have to wait 2-3 years for the ability to buy at MSRP.

[novicius]

2015 Ford Mustang GT: Suspension Walkaround (http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-ford-mustang-gt-suspension-walkaround.html)
You forgot the money-shot:

http://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/ford/mustang-gt/2015/lt/2015_ford_mustang-gt_det_lt_527154_717.jpg

[Sad, little man]

I just found out what the next hot Mustang is going to have in it. This is going to be great. But, you'll all have to wait a couple years to find out. :D

[novicius]

EcoBoost Voodoo with electric-cycling turbos?

[Yw-slayer]

It's going to come out here and probably cost around usd90k.

[Sad, little man]

:random:

[novicius]

I'll take that as a 'Yes'. :D

[Jason]

Two i4 ecoboost engines mated to each other in a V shape?

[KillerB]

I don't think anyone's really surprised that the next GT500 (or whatever they choose to call it) will be a twin-turbo V8.

[Sad, little man]

Don't take it as anything. :thppt:

And I think what I heard about was not the GT500, but something else, something different. :)

[Jason]

AWD MID ENGINED FORD ECOBOOST MUSTANG II GT-R TYPE-S

[Sad, little man]

Nailed it. :eek:

[2ndMoparMan]

But will it be yellow? Yellow always goes faster.

[novicius]

I just found out what the next hot Mustang is going to have in it. This is going to be great. But, you'll all have to wait a couple years to find out. :D
The next hot Mustang... we've seen the Boss, Bullitts, Mach 1's and Cobras before.

The Boswell? :lol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fDcG7sPEI7U/ScH0Pve_RJI/AAAAAAAADpo/4fdIR5GMQto/s400/tokyo_mustang.jpg

[TheBenior]

But will it be yellow? Yellow always goes faster.

That's why I painted the steelies that my snow tires are mounted on yellow. Even in the winter, yellow = SPEED!

[FaultyMario]

mmm a Ford/Nissan... Will it be a moostangvan or a minimoos?

[Freude am Fahren]

Hybrid.


As for the new 'Stang's body, it really seems about as different from the last Gen5 facelift, as that did from the original gen5. Now that I see all three of them on the road all the time, it's a much more minor update than previous generations (and that facelift was also pretty substantial for a mid gen refresh). I do like it though, and I know there's a lot more new to it than just the body.

[Random]

A rotary!

Retro is in, right? (http://barthworks.com/cars/2014_10_natmus/1964mustang/1964mustang.htm)

[thesameguy]

Mmmm... rotary hybrid.

[Freude am Fahren]

Especially if it's a flybrid. DEATH TO EARDRUMS!

[neanderthal]

Independent Rear Suspension.

[Random]

:erm: It has that already.

Maybe double a-arm up front? :D

[thesameguy]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/bttf/images/3/36/Mr_Fusion_by_emmokapp.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20130723042343

[neanderthal]

:erm: It has that already.

Maybe double a-arm up front? :D

I was sarcasm-ing.

[Jason]

Co-dependent rear suspension?

[thesameguy]

I think they already tried that in the SN95. :D

[Sad, little man]

Suspension which shares custody of the rear wheels every other week?

Whoops, wait, I started these rumors.

[novicius]

Road & Track's 2016 Performance Car of the Year (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a27194/road-track-2016-performance-car-of-the-year/).

[thesameguy]

If you could summon some sort of Lovecraftian dark magic to combine the best parts of the other seven cars in this test—the Bentley's on-road poise, the Cadillac's vivacious chassis, the Merc's bluff-nosed retro charm, the Cayman's accessible limits, the Ferrari's auditory drama, the Corvette's wide-hipped machismo, and the Viper's sense of purpose—then what would appear in the swirling mists would be, not Cthulhu the Great Old One, but Shelby the Baddest Mustang.

I have always considered all Mustangs to be an option, but never the option. Sort of, well, failing everything else, I'll get a Mustang. But the new GT350 is fucking aspirational for me. In a weird way, it's a perfect followup to the Raptor. If I thought I'd be able to sleep under the burden of a car payment, I'd go buy a GT350 tomorrow.

[novicius]

Put it on your Dell credit card? ;)

[Jason]

FYI, apparently the tuners are loving the new EcoBoost Mustang, seen people talk about 400-500whp, crazy.

[Godson]

Put it on your Dell credit card? ;)

:lol:

[thesameguy]

I grew up in a household crippled by debt and I have a more or less permanent fear of it. Between 2001 and 2004 I slipped into it myself, and it's not something I'm willing to do again. The CTS-V was an experiment to see if Responsible Adult Me could manage, but I couldn't. I'm just not comfortable making payments on things. I deal with it when it comes to the mortgage because there just isn't another way, but for something as ultimately pointless as a car it's never going to happen again. $7k seems about my limit for a car. The idea of payments on a $60k car gives me an actual stomach ache.

[novicius]

Heh same here! My emotional limit is $9,999.99 USD cash. I will never pay more in personal cash for a vehicle than that, ever. :down: But I would be open to adding the monies made selling a current vehicle to that sum for a total value of greater than $10K, in retrospect.

Ergo cheap, ugly, used-and-abused yellow Mustang. :)

[thesameguy]

I might be able to swing $10k. The Solstice at whatever it was (like $15k) was too much. The motorhome, Jag, and Fiat were all $7k commitments and they've never upset me. Somewhere in the middle is my threshold I guess... but so far I haven't found anything compelling in that gap to try out. Plenty of $1k-$7k cars to entertain myself with. Plenty.

[KillerB]

Yeah, it really is coming down to a GT350 or a Hellcat for me. They're as different as muscle cars can be but I love them both.

[Sad, little man]

How can you say no to the sound of the 5.2L? Actually, I say just go for the GT350R. With carbon fiber wheels, you can thumb your nose at Koenigseggs... Well, at least nod at them with a knowing gaze.

[thesameguy]

Just FYI....

http://speedsociety.com/10-second-ecoboost-mustang-4-cylinder-fastest-in-the-world/?source=murder

[Jason]

Source=murder

:o

[21Kid]

But I would be open to adding the monies made selling a current vehicle to that sum for a total value of greater than $10K, in retrospect. Buy $9k car.
Sell.
Buy $18k car.
Sell...


So, you'd be okay paying a little bit at a time?

[novicius]

I think that it's an inevitablility, no? :lol:

[XHawkeye]

Tested: Quantifying the Performance Benefits of the Shelby GT350R’s Carbon-Fiber Wheels (http://blog.caranddriver.com/tested-quantifying-the-performance-benefits-of-the-shelby-gt350rs-carbon-fiber-wheels/)

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[Freude am Fahren]

Saw my first GT350 in the wild today. It was sitting in traffic going the opposite way though, so I didn't get to hear it.

[SkylineObsession]

Finally saw a new Mustang the other day, and again today (demo car for the local Ford dealership). Red naturally.

There's a 600hp+ ex Sema show red Mustang (last model) just up the road from us and i thought it was that that i was seeing until i got closer and then 'oh, holey crap that's a new Mustang'. Nothing special for ya'll though since you've had them for a while, but it's one of the first right hand drive ones in NZ i'd say. :up:

[novicius]

Cool -- did it look big to you? ;)

[SkylineObsession]

The closer i got to it, the bigger it got. Kinda freaky really.

[Yw-slayer]

Yes, things usually look bigger when you're next to them. :finger:

[Kchrpm]

That's what I tell the ladies.

[FaultyMario]

After you've had a cope, right?

[Yw-slayer]

Now, it's when you put things inside something that's the real measure of size... like inserting yourself into a Mustang.

[Biggdogg]

So I just got an allocation at MSRP for a 2017 GT350. With Ford announcing last week the return of Grabber Blue to the Mustang for 2017, I am hoping that is a shelby color. Grabber blue, tech pack, painted black roof and black stripes. Finally, the car I have wanted since I was 13. Now just have to wait a few more months.

[Freude am Fahren]

:up:

[CudaMan]

Awesome!

[novicius]

Fantastic! :D :up: :up:

[Yw-slayer]

Sweet as!

[XHawkeye]

:up:

:up: :up:

[Random]

So I just got an allocation at MSRP for a 2017 GT350. With Ford announcing last week the return of Grabber Blue to the Mustang for 2017, I am hoping that is a shelby color. Grabber blue, tech pack, painted black roof and black stripes. Finally, the car I have wanted since I was 13. Now just have to wait a few more months.

NIIIICE. :toast:

[Random]

(You can totally track the aging of the forum in our car purchases, BTW. :lol:)

[novicius]

True... 'cept my purchase prices have been dropping the older I get (after peaking at age 35). :lol:

'13 Boss 302 vs Shelby GT350R impressions. (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a26956/mustang-gt350r-vs-mustang-boss-302/)

[Kchrpm]

There is a # of kids factor as well.

[Godson]

(You can totally track the aging of the forum in our car purchases, BTW. :lol:)

My 911 purchase was cheaper than my Colorado and the s2000.

[21Kid]

My 911 purchase was cheaper than my Colorado and the s2000.

Including labor? ;)

[XHawkeye]

C&D GT350 review (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-page-3)

Highs:
Great shifter, nice steering, good ride, sublime body control, revs out the wazoo.

Lows:
Not as quick as the Corvette, sell yours before it vibrates itself to pieces.

Verdict:
If Porsche's GT team built a Mustang, it would be the GT350.

[Godson]

Including labor? ;)

Details... I did put the clutch into the s2000...

[Kchrpm]

It's always funny how different a car's initial reviews are compared to its first comparison against the fancy new car that comes out 2 years later.

[novicius]

What the crap? (http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a28373/ford-might-be-moving-up-production-of-the-next-generation-mustang/) :lol:

http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/16/09/1457036206-screen-shot-2016-03-03-at-30840-pm.png

http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/49/768x384/landscape-1449181219-ford-mustang-ecoboost-2015-1600x1200-wallpaper-0a.jpg

#PFA ;)

[novicius]

I just love the profile of this car:

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53658&stc=1&d=1450931503


Some other sexay pics:

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx96/wsrw14/20151206_071018_zpsrid7dc5h.jpg~original

http://i.imgur.com/3uOLZTO.png

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=63090&stc=1&d=1456249311

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee437/sre1981/CFA7AEB1-A8D8-4BF5-8208-D857BE717789_zpsrnzzlnax.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/p3mlQd6.png

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54086&stc=1&d=1451303981

[thesameguy]

Really liking the silver and the blue one. This Mustang is not the world's best looking car, but it totally nails it from some angles. The silver one is almost one of those angles, as is the red/orange one.

[novicius]

I feel like the Mustang is both a more attractive overall design than the new Camaro and more attractive in the details, too. The interior looks better, the exterior looks better -- it's just a better designed shape, inside and out.

It is slower and way heavier... but fuckit, a 2015 will also be cheaper in 2025. :D #cheapdickracing

[Yw-slayer]

Oh, it looks great.

[novicius]

Some more:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t160/gary3730/86B79643-E40A-43EF-9DC8-4956ADE5EE59_zps7js2zfsg.jpg~original

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm185/gymdroid/IMG_0050_zpsoegtinuj.jpg~original


Here's one after my own heart: 18" rims and some chunky sidewall on an Ecoboost Mustang. :up:

http://i.imgur.com/vvhXvrzh.jpg

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54832&d=1451779368


Also found another pic of that Ingot Silver Mustang -- it's got all Steeda suspension underneath it.

http://i.imgur.com/YjVpgqP.jpg

[Phil_SS]

Agreed.

The more I see of it the more I really like it. It's just so sleek and muscular at the same time. And they sell it in my favorite color, green. :up:

[Freude am Fahren]

Co-worker of mine bought an ecoboost 'Stang last year. it was weird hearing a little 'chssh' as he pulled away.

Also I gave him shit for it being an automatic.

It's also a soft top, but it's South Florida, so what the hell.

[novicius]

Yeah, I've been posting pics of the 5.0L & EcoBoost cars -- but even tho' I'm a current V8 Mustang owner, I am only dreaming of a V6 6-speed hardtop S550. :hard: New they're "only" $25K USD (not that I'd ever buy new).

Also, like EVERY Mustang since its inception, the factory suspension is... not ideal, from what I'm reading. While it does have IRS, just like the Dodge Challenger manual transmission cars, the S550 Mustangs suffer from wheel hop and it's worse the more power you pour into it. So just like any older Mustang, for best handling results you're looking at swapping out to Viking shocks and BMR/Eibach/Steeda/SR/etc. parts. Money on top of your MSRP.

This also remains true for all Performance Package cars -- they aren't damped accurately is probably a better way to say it, they apparently jounce constantly and if you lower it you only make the bouncing/waggle of the remaining stock components worse. :| #allegedly

[Kchrpm]

Is that because they are damped for cornering, and drag racing requires a different setup? Genuine question, you know me, I get all my Forza setups from the internet :)

[novicius]

For the wheel hop? I haven't read a strong proof of why it hops -- on the Chally's, it's the rear subframe bushings being too soft. So I'd assume somewhere in the S550's suspension there is something that's too soft and is allowing an oscillation to occur when the power is engaged.

[novicius]

Co-worker of mine bought an ecoboost 'Stang last year. it was weird hearing a little 'chssh' as he pulled away.

Also I gave him shit for it being an automatic.

It's also a soft top, but it's South Florida, so what the hell.
Tell him to invest in RIP Tuning intake/exhaust:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUABthkJ2OQ

[Kchrpm]

For the wheel hop? I haven't read a strong proof of why it hops -- on the Chally's, it's the rear subframe bushings being too soft. So I'd assume somewhere in the S550's suspension there is something that's too soft and is allowing an oscillation to occur when the power is engaged.
I was always under the impression that it was geometry related, rather than setup, based on my bare minimum knowledge.

[novicius]

I'm no authority -- but from what I've read it's always framed as "firming up" or "stiffening up" to eliminate rear wheel hop. #shrug

Just raising awareness, really. :)

[thesameguy]

For the wheel hop? I haven't read a strong proof of why it hops -- on the Chally's, it's the rear subframe bushings being too soft. So I'd assume somewhere in the S550's suspension there is something that's too soft and is allowing an oscillation to occur when the power is engaged.

1st gen CTS-V had the problem as well. It's essentially am intrinsic geometry problem not easily (ie, cheaply) solved but the effect is movable parts vibrate alternatingly. To manage the resonance, BMR sold kits, Cadillac upgraded bushings and added links (TSB), people installed poly, etc. On the 2nd gen CTS-V Cadillac deftly solved it by installing unequal-weighted driveshafts to prevent the resonance from ever starting even though the core geometry issue was not addressed. #KISS

[novicius]

Well for the Challengers it was a simple aftermarket polyurethane bushing fix. :) #shrug

[Kchrpm]

So, to summarize, it's generally a geometry problem that can be solved with non-geometry solutions, including weight balancing of rotating parts and/or stiffening various suspension elements. Correct?

[thesameguy]

It's not solved, per se, as the issue is intrinsic to the pieces involved, but it's managed with outside components. Tightening things up resists the initial forces that set up the wheel hop. Unbalancing the drivetrain prevents the oscillation that exacerbates the problem without compromising ride quality. A few places sell that same idea into Mustangland, including I think Ford Racing. :) Me? I don't give a rat's ass about ride quality, so bring on the poly. :D

[Kchrpm]

It's not solved, per se, as the issue is intrinsic to the pieces involved, but it's managed with outside components.
Got it :up:

[KillerB]

GT350 or Hellcat... Let's see which can be had without markup first...

EDIT: Yes, I know, the Stingray is available without markup now. There are also already four of them in the parking lot at work.

[Freude am Fahren]

Cars like that, if you order, can they still charge a markup?

[KillerB]

They can do whatever they want. You're buying the car from them, not the manufacturer. They can refuse to order it without you paying extra.

This seems silly, except allocations of these models are limited. If you're only going to be allocated two Hellcats a year, you'll essentially sell them to the highest bidder.

[thesameguy]

Yeah - and the bigger dealers tend to get better allocations, and the bigger dealers can afford to have it camp until the right doof comes around. ;)

[KillerB]

Yep, so I'll wait, or end up not buying one at all.

I'd really rather keep the Challenger and buy something old and fun (probably another rotary Mazda, or maybe an MR2 or S2000), but I don't know when I'll have a better parking situation.

[Kchrpm]

No one at your office has a Grand Sport yet ;)

[thesameguy]

Not a single Corvette, although the guy who had the M4 has a buddy who was early on the C7 bandwagon, and they traded cars for a day. Not bad. ;)

The big issue with cars at my office is that they are all automatics. These people need to sack up.

[novicius]

They can do whatever they want. You're buying the car from them, not the manufacturer. They can refuse to order it without you paying extra.

This seems silly, except allocations of these models are limited. If you're only going to be allocated two Hellcats a year, you'll essentially sell them to the highest bidder.
Some Cali dealers are selling at MSRP. (http://www.hellcat.org/threads/california-dealers.14052/#post-325875)

[Yw-slayer]

Not a single Corvette, although the guy who had the M4 has a buddy who was early on the C7 bandwagon, and they traded cars for a day. Not bad. ;)

The big issue with cars at my office is that they are all automatics. These people need to sack up.

And then be mulched.

[Biggdogg]

Well the allocation finally showed up in the computer and was able to take my deposit. 2017 Shelby GT350 in Grabber Blue with convenience pack and painted black roof ordered. I kept going back and forth on that vs electronics pack which is basically power leather heated and cooled seats vs recaros but at 6 foot 4 275 the recaros arent exactly build for that. Decided against the stripes because they have a small white pinstripe on them outside of the black and I didnt like that contrast, so I will end up going aftermarket for stripes. Now the true waiting begins. Sucked waiting for the allocation and worrying the dealer would back out of their word. Now the real bad waiting starts of having a deposit down waiting for build date and hoping its an early one.

[XHawkeye]

:up: :up:

[thesameguy]

I would be an anxious wreck waiting for something like a GT350 to finally show up!

[Random]

Sweet! :D

[neanderthal]

Sweet.

I feel you on the anxiety. I ordered a Honda Africa Twin in early February and was given a late August delivery date. :'(

When the first one came out in North America in mid May, I knew I was not going to wait until August. The day I got back from Spain I had several voice mails from dealers but they had the wrong color or the wrong transmission in stock.

I eventually made over 100 phone calls to dealers all over California before finally finding the correct color/ transmission combo in Indiana. next week or the week after should see her home.

[Yw-slayer]

I am well-jeal.

[novicius]

Also jealous as hell -- nice!! :D :up:

[Kchrpm]

Will you be picking it up in Cincinnati by any chance? ;)

[Biggdogg]

Actually not directly in Cinci, but a dealer around Dayton. I will be coming to Cinci right after though so I will let you know when its looking like ill be coming through. Dont happen to know any good muffler shops there do you? Plan to go straight to one of those to have the resonators cut out since the only difference exhaust wise between the regular 350 and the R is that the R has no resonators. That is unless Borla has their Atak released before then lol.

[Kchrpm]

I can ask around.

[Kchrpm]

http://www.flowtekexhaust.com/


Good prices. Good work. Well regarded in Cincinnati.

[Biggdogg]

Well my delivery date went from eta 20 to delivered in 5 days so it caught me by surprise so had a few hours to get loan stuff sorted and get to 2 hours outside cincinnati to pick it up before everything closed. But sweet mother of god it was worth it. As much as I loved my BRZ and hated to get rid of it this thing is better in every conceivable way except gas mileage. The comfort and visibility are the biggest surprises. Those magnetic shocks really do make it ride very well. In terms of performance. Well it goes from 0-serious jail time very very fast, and that exhaust is just something that will never get old. Krunch sorry I didnt get ahold of you. Because of how fast this went down I am already back home as I have to work today. But I will be back there in a couple weeks to put paint protection on it and I will get ahold of you then.

[21Kid]

Nice! :) :up:

[XHawkeye]

Cool :up: :up:

[thesameguy]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo jealous. So very, very jealous.

[KillerB]

Agreed!

[SkylineObsession]

Omnomnom.

[Godson]

I call bullshit. You haven't supplied the required images for me to believe you. :)

[dodint]

That's a car.

[Jason]

God damn.

[Kchrpm]

But I will be back there in a couple weeks to put paint protection on it and I will get ahold of you then.

:up:

[novicius]

Fan-fucking-tastic! :up: :up:

[Freude am Fahren]

Awesome. Jealous.

[Yw-slayer]

DAAAYUUUUUMMMMM

[Phil_SS]

Love the color! Boo fuckin yah!

[Kchrpm]

http://jalopnik.com/fords-warranty-preserving-ecoboost-mustang-tune-is-fina-1787660757


Twenty-Five horsepower and 70 lb-ft of torque— that’s what Ford’s new $699 Performance Power Pack adds to the Mustang’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost inline-four. That brings power and torque up to 335 HP (an 8 percent increase) and 390 lb-ft (up 22 percent), respectively.

But those are just peak numbers. Ford says at 6,000 rpm, horsepower goes up by 100 ponies, and that between 2,500 and 5,000 rpm, average horsepower and torque go up by 40 HP and 60 lb-ft, respectively.

[21Kid]

Does it come with a sticker?

[Kchrpm]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20130917/original/gedamuqa.jpg

[thesameguy]

Sounds similar to the Cobb software!

[Freude am Fahren]

Twenty-Five horsepower and 70 lb-ft of torque— that’s what Ford’s new $699 Performance Power Pack adds to the Mustang’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost inline-four. That brings power and torque up to 335 HP (an 8 percent increase) and 390 lb-ft (up 22 percent), respectively.

But those are just peak numbers. Ford says at 6,000 rpm, horsepower goes up by 100 ponies, and that between 2,500 and 5,000 rpm, average horsepower and torque go up by 40 HP and 60 lb-ft, respectively.

What's the peak hp rpm? Does the stock engine just die after peak? I'd like to see the two graphs.

Edit: Looked it up, peak on stock is 5500rpm. Redline at 6600rpm. So if at 6000rpm, it's 100hp more than stock, but not more than 335hp, then stock would drop from 310hp to at best 235hp between 5500 and 6000rpm??? That's insane. What would hp be at redline, 100? :lol:

[balki]

What's the peak hp rpm? Does the stock engine just die after peak? I'd like to see the two graphs.

Edit: Looked it up, peak on stock is 5500rpm. Redline at 6600rpm. So if at 6000rpm, it's 100hp more than stock, but not more than 335hp, then stock would drop from 310hp to at best 235hp between 5500 and 6000rpm??? That's insane. What would hp be at redline, 100? :lol:
Thinking the same thing, thanks for doing the research and math :up:

[thesameguy]

I think the wording is goofy. I am pretty sure they mean power at the previous peak is up 25hp, so 5500rpm is +25hp but now at 6k it's +100hp. That would make sense as both a byproduct of the increased torque and as a previous sore spot with Ecoboost owners. There is no other way those numbers make sense.

[Freude am Fahren]

Maybe, but all I've seen is the +25hp and 335hp being advertised. You'd think they'd advertise the peak hp after tune.

This dyno looks like it loses about 50-60whp between the peak (around 5250 here) and 6000, so not to far off, at crank numbers. HP probably stays steady between 5500 and 6000 with the Ford tune.
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/assets/images/Project%20Cars/2015%20Mustang%20EcoBoost/Jan%209th%202015%20Dynos/2015%20Mustang%20Project%20Car%20Baseline%20Dyno%2 000.jpg

Ford's website:

Calibration features:
Peak gains of 25hp at ~5500rpm and 70lbs/ft at ~2200rpm
40hp and 60lbs/ft average gain from 2500-5000rpm
75hp and 64lbs/ft average gain from 5500-6800rpm
100hp maximum gain at ~6000rpm
Horsepower and torque gains throughout the powerband
Exclusive Ford Performance warranty when dealer installed
Allows gear ratio changes up to 4.09:1
Automatic calibrations feature optimized performance shift schedule
Premium fuel, 91 octane or higher, is required

[thesameguy]

Maybe, but all I've seen is the +25hp and 335hp being advertised. You'd think they'd advertise the peak hp after tune.

Totally agreed. and frankly I am dubious of any claim of +100hp - all the tuners have been working on this for a year and nobody has beat 40hp or so, the exhaust manifold can't flow much more than stock. You can't beat that with software. Also, adding, what, 80lb ft to near-redline sounds nigh impossible. The torque gain at 3000rpm would be stratospheric!

Still, that said, there is no way the Ecoboost makes only 230hp anywhere close to 5500rpm... That dyno suggests 230hp is around 4000rpm. I think Jalopnik got the story wrong. All wrong!

[Godson]

It is jalopnik

[balki]

Also, adding, what, 80lb ft to near-redline sounds nigh impossible.
Well, it drops off 70 lb·ft from peak (which is now +60 or 70), so it seems that there's still a drop off, just slightly less.

Are the "Calibration features" suggesting that 335hp is made at 5500rpm (stated already) and 355hp at ~6000rpm? And basically a massive increase in torque from 2200-6800rpm
All for under a grand with factor warranty? Can't tell if it's too good to be true, or if you're paying for what will become standard on next year's I4?

[thesameguy]

Yeah, who knows?

But I doubt it'll become standard unless they have some serious improvements lined up for the V8. I can't see them positioning two cars that close together on the showroom floor.

Edit: Where did you get 355hp at 6000rpm? +100hp at 6,000rpm would be about 325hp, still under the "peak gain" of +25hp at 5500.

[balki]

figured the graph above had 12% drivetrain loss (is that accurate? remember 15% being more realistic, but that was for late 20th century cars)
basically I made it up (does that qualify me to be a 'journalist' for jalopnik)

[Freude am Fahren]

Well, that's always a different figure (manufacturer accuracy, different dynos can read very different whp #'s, error/condition corrections, etc). But if that engine has 310hp peak hp at the flywheel, (we'll ignore the RPM discrepancy for a second), then it's about 11.3% loss to get 275 whp.

That number may fluctuate with RPM or torque though, so who knows!

Sidenote, on DynoJets, BRZ's typically dyno at about 160whp (155-165 typically) stock. Or about 20% loss. On Mustang dynos, also known as heartbreaker dynos, it's more like 130 or so. Not sure where DynoDynamics fits in.

[thesameguy]

Haha - the guy I used to have do my tuning had a Mustang and he'd always tell his customers it told the truth, unlike the optimistic dynojets. "Come to me if you want to know the truth!" ;)

[FaultyMario]

What happened?

[thesameguy]

THE TRUTH!

[FaultyMario]

I thought you weren't on Facebook, Justin.

[thesameguy]

I'm not. But I'm still confident the truth will always present itself.

[Sad, little man]

My new job deals specifically with Mustangs. And now I know Mustang things that no one in the public knows, and I can't tell you. :D

[novicius]

Dammit!! :D :up:

Seriously tho', bring back the Performance Pack AND Premium interior option to the S650 V6. :hard:

[dodint]

Going out of your way to advertise your worthlessness? Bold strategy, even for you.

[novicius]

Well we can't all be aggressive baller bros like you, right? #moderationis4pussies

[dodint]

Of course.

Similarly...my new job deals specifically with state secrets. And now I know state secrets that no one in the public knows, and I can't tell you.

It's just as true, just as useless, and sounds just as pretentious, no? It's just a weird thing to brag about. Congrats, you have proprietary corporate information that everyone in the world will have at the end of the design cycle.

I'm happy he's happy, it's great to do a job you love. But his happiness seems to be predicated on having something (intangible, no less) that others don't, and that's really sad. But I suppose that's his namesake so I reckon I'm the shortsighted one for finding fault to begin with.

[thesameguy]

My job deals with matters of public record, so pretty much everything I know you can too if you like.

[Godson]

I'm not allowed to talk about my job at all. It scares some people...

[Sad, little man]

Nate, comparing my job and the things that I know to yours and what you know is a false equivalence. Come on, you're smart enough to understand the difference. I'm assuming that the secrets you know are necessary for national security, and if the public may never know them. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't be very excited or happy to know about them.

What I know will eventually be known by the public, and a lot of people will be very excited and happy to know it. While I can't share things now, I'm excited for the point in time when the company does officially announce this. It's not that I'm just saying this just to show how much better I am, I would love to say what I know now, but I'd lose my job and be sued.

To use an analogy, it's like this... I'm the parent who is excited but can't tell the kids what they're about to get for Christmas. You're the parent who's trying to keep your spouse's affair a secret from the kids for their own good.

[thesameguy]

Yeah, no.

[dodint]

Your response stands for itself, I need not even elaborate.

[balki]

What SLM is trying to say it that there will be a mid-engine mustang / baby GT40 / zora-fighter

[novicius]

2018 Mustang Gets MagneRide, 10 Speed Auto, Performance Packages, New Colors (http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=10288)


The most significant change is the potential removal of the V6 model from the Mustang lineup, as the body type codes for the V6 come up as invalid in the dealer system. Although the timing of this change may come as a surprise, it’s clear this has been years in the making with Ford having quietly laid the groundwork for the 2.3-liter EcoBoost to replace the 3.7-liter V6 model which has received noticeably few upgrades, options and packages in recent years.
The V6 is finally dead. :(

I get that this was coming. I get that the Ecoboost 2.3L is a better motor. Still sad news.

Bring on the S650. #sigh (Yes I know this is still the S550 platform. Just sayin', let's make with the skinny.)



Interestingly, the options list includes a “Performance Package 2” in addition to the usual GT Performance Package. This package suggests that Ford will offer a more track-focused package for the Mustang GT to more directly compete with the Chevrolet Camaro 1LE package.
Performance Package... 2? Oooo that's imaginative! ...I've got more taste in my penis. :lol:

[FaultyMario]

What happened to the GTXF's GT?

[novicius]

NickT still owns it.

[FaultyMario]

No, no, no, the newer one, the blue one that almost made a milkshake out of bigdogg.

[novicius]

BiggDogg has to come to some parties first and let a few of us make out in the back of it for that particular ride to be considered "The GTXF's Mustang". :lol: :lol: :lol:

[FaultyMario]

Randy =\= bigdogg?

[novicius]

No, Randy is lostnight and has a non-GT Mustang V6 (also in Grabber Blue tho').

[FaultyMario]

Got it.

[21Kid]

Didn't that one end up shiny side down? :(

[novicius]

Really?? Did I miss an update?

[FaultyMario]

That is why I asked.
It apparently crossed over the median in bad weather.

[Sad, little man]

Performance Package... 2? Oooo that's imaginative! ...I've got more taste in my penis. :lol:
I assume it's just to avoid confusion on the order guide, whereas trying to come up with some fancy name would just make things vague and confusing.

[thesameguy]

That is why I asked.
It apparently crossed over the median in bad weather.

Coulda happened in good weather. It is a Mustang after all.

[Godson]

Yeah. Lostknights graver blue is gone.

[novicius]

I assume it's just to avoid confusion on the order guide, whereas trying to come up with some fancy name would just make things vague and confusing.
Like... "High Performance Pack"? Or "Track Performance Pack"? ;)

[novicius]

I'm not the only one who takes issue with the new option's name: (http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/21/2018-ford-mustang-details-leaked-10-speed-auto-no-v6/)


So maybe Performance Pack 2: The Enquickening adds the adaptive dampers, perhaps with a unique tune, and that dual exhaust for some extra power?
:lol:

[thesameguy]

It's unclear to me whether the "2" signifies a additional PP, or a replacement PP.

[Phil_SS]

It signifies Electric Boogaloo...

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

[thesameguy]

Did a little research and, yeah, your story checks out.

[thesameguy]

I am into this:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/zero-to-60-ford-mustang-gtt/

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TP9rPp9XCac/WCD25naWoMI/AAAAAAASRcM/PXyqQMzkCvgb8ZfFbe5_ik8TMiowYExVgCLcB/s1600/Ford-Mustang-GTT-3.jpg

[novicius]

Yeah... I can certainly see what they tried to do, what they were going for but it doesn't work for me. :|

But then I would want to see something going the "other" way: a classic/heritage-ified Zonda-esq luxury hypercoupe "Thunderbird" built off the new GT40. Maybe that would just consist of painting one bright teal with whitewalls and a shit-ton of chrome? I don't know! :lol:

EDIT: A Thunderbird'd GT40 but with a crate FRPP Coyote 5.0L (not Voodoo V8 for NVH reasons), 10-speed automatic, softer, slightly slower than the GT40, a small run of 50 cars -- now I'm starting to love this idea... #lol

[Godson]

I like aspects of it. But overall. No.

[thesameguy]

Ya'll's nuts.

[21Kid]

Ford-baru?

[novicius]

Ford to replace 5.0L Coyote with 4.8L V8? (http://www.reuters.com/article/canada-autos-ford-motor-idUSL1N1D41MC)


We know for the engine will be derived from the Coyote, will feature a host of new technology updates, while promising new found efficiency and torque.

The simplest conclusion is Ford will simply downsize the naturally aspirated 5.0-liter Coyote to 4.8-liters while giving it new heads for direct injection. However, considering the Coyote family uses a Dual Overhead Cam setup, the promises of incredible torque may be a bit hyperbolic, and that’s before we get into the emotional attachment Ford’s marketing department has with the tried and true 302.

The second scenario could see Ford developing its first EcoBoost V8 derived from the Coyote. Dias’ language would make sense as it squares with Ford’s EcoBoost narrative; torque, power, efficiency. We would still likely see the Coyote family gain direct injection, albeit with two turbos strapped to each side of the engine, potentially using similar water-cooled exhaust manifolds integrated into the heads, like the 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6.
So an Ecoboost V8 to debut in the Mustang? That would certainly be easier to hit the 500-800 HP range that seems to be the new standard for street performance now. #horsepowerwars


(Random, can you change the title of this thread to just "Ford Mustang"?)

[21Kid]

But, you can't roll in a 4.8. :(

[novicius]

Hmm.

You can hate in a 4.8? Seems to be in vogue... :assclown:

[dodint]

My Dad is thinking about putting NOS in his '65 Mustang build. I told him I couldn't advocate for variable power delivery like NOS but he doesn't want a turbo. He has two 5.0 motors but I can't remember what they came out of and what stage or (dis)repair they are in. I think one of them is out of a '92 Thunderbird.

[thesameguy]

You are correct, your father is wrong. It's just that simple.

[drew]

Off-tangent note, while in BFE South Carolina, I saw a T/A/Firebird (2000 or so) with the new 5.0 badge between the wheel well and front door. :up:

[novicius]

Well a turbo of just about any useable size may accelerate cracking the 302 block due to constant boost, so there's that.

Maybe just a snorty cam (plus attendant hardware) & headers + a 100-shot to start? Aim for 225-250ish RWHP?

[dodint]

I'm not sure he's ever broken the speed limit during my lifetime. Was just a really weird off the cuff comment for him to make.

Maybe he wants to go up to Keystone Raceway Park from time to time, I dunno. It's a resto-mod so I guess he can do whatever he wants.

[novicius]

:lol: :up:

Well then I'd definitely say go bottle over turbo -- if he's not gonna use it, why go through the hassle of all that piping & plumbing?

[thesameguy]

Academics.

[Godson]

#timekill

[novicius]

Academics.
Well his Pops does have three 302 blocks so his supply is definitely ready to support the turbo's appetite. :assclown:

[dodint]

Two. I forget why he bought the second one. I was away during all this. Now that I'm back I'll actually be hands on with the project and I'll be able to share actual details. Something something roller cams blah blah blah. I was a Mopar guy (not the Intrepids, but I used to read everything I could about big block 440s, etc) then went full DEUTSCH 4 EVARRRR and all and now I'm reading into vintage Ford stuff for him. Almost everything I know is from him and from the RCR Ford Falcon build.

"We" did rebuild a '79ish Ford Bronco II when I was in third grade but as I look back I probably wasn't much help. Was probably my first significant car project though.

[novicius]

While I'm a big fan of the Fox-body Mustangs, I'm really not a Windsor guy so I will definitely be looking forward to reading what you post. :up: :up:

[Freude am Fahren]

I saw what was presumably an EcoBoost Mustang the other day with a bunch "2.3" badges where you would normally see 5.0 on the V8 :lol:

[speedpimp]

But, you can't roll in a 4.8. :(

But You'll never be late in a 4.8!

[dodint]

Somebody went big with the name change. :lol:

[21Kid]

Nice! :random:

[novicius]

If the shoe fits...!! :lol:

[21Kid]

Your avatar looks like it's staring me down...

[speedpimp]

If the clown shoe fits...!! :lol:
FTFY.

[Sad, little man]

"A hybrid version of the iconic Mustang that will deliver V8 power and even more low-end
torque. The Mustang Hybrid, built at the Flat Rock Plant, debuts in 2020 and will be
available in the North America to start."

[novicius]

Cool -- assuming they're taking the NSX route and using electric motors to combat turbo lag? Or will the Mustang Hybrid be AWD?

It'll be interesting to see how the new S650 platform is going to be smaller & lighter and yet still go hybrid. ;)

[Sad, little man]

That's the press release. Any further information is still confidential. :D

[novicius]

Sure, understandable. Just musing really. :up:

[Sad, little man]

Good, keep musing.

[novicius]

Well the obvious answer for S650 is all-aluminum space frame to go with the current aluminum hood & front fenders (even tho' FoMoCo has denied saying they're going that way).

That would satisfy all the requirements. :cool:

[dodint]

While I'm a big fan of the Fox-body Mustangs, I'm really not a Windsor guy so I will definitely be looking forward to reading what you post. :up: :up:

It's just a nugget but the motor he's building up now is from an '87 Mustang, and he's dropped the NOS idea. His end goal is to get 220hp out of it I think, nothing drastic. He had the pistons out to be balanced a few days ago put the camshaft back in. I need to get over there soon, I thought he was taking the winter off but clearly not.

[novicius]

Sounds like a healthy 5.0L. :up: :up: (Stock cam + EFI or aftermarket cam + carb -- on EFI, an aftermarket stick it should make more, my bad.)

If he carb'd it, he could still make it look vintage. But if he just wants something snorty to get the car moving then that's a decision that could be made later down the road.

[thesameguy]

Cost no object one of the TBI aftermarket injection systems would keep some injected-ness while looking appropriately vintage. With the air cleaner on, you wouldn't be able to tell.

http://www.ezefi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/throttle-body-ezefi.jpg

[novicius]

If Nate's dad wanted to drop king-buck, he'd be putting an Aluminator (https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-A50XS) into his '65. :lol:

[speedpimp]

Dead link.

[Kchrpm]

That's weird, it worked when I clicked on it earlier, but now it doesn't.

[novicius]

It's the Aluminator, there are plenty of places to order one.

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-50-aluminator-xs-engine.html

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6007-a50xs

But basically I'm just using exaggeration to poke fun at TSG's $2,000+ EFI suggestion (http://www.jegs.com/i/FAST/244/30226-06KIT/10002/-1?CAWELAID=230006180004716821&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-221855578871&gclid=CO-4vP31qNECFQGLaQodK-kFAQ). ;)

[Kchrpm]

I have a MUCH better king-buck suggestion: http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/ls7.html

[novicius]

:lol:

[thesameguy]

But basically I'm just using exaggeration to poke fun at TSG's $2,000+ EFI suggestion (http://www.jegs.com/i/FAST/244/30226-06KIT/10002/-1?CAWELAID=230006180004716821&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=pla-221855578871&gclid=CO-4vP31qNECFQGLaQodK-kFAQ). ;)

They're like $900 if you spend 30 seconds shopping.

http://pitstopusa.com/i-23911865-fast-ez-efi-style-cast-high-flow-4150-tbi-type-throttle-body-assembly-4-injector-version.html?gclid=CPHI1sKJqdECFUtNfgodP-8DkQ

Not much more than a good carb!

[novicius]

2018 Mustang announced!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9a0ScMXQh0

The 2018 Mustang has been confirmed to receive a 10-speed automatic transmission, optional MagneRide suspension (performance package), optional active exhaust (GT), and a slew of new features and colors.

Details below for those who care.

KEY CHANGES
• 2018 Mustang offers an EcoBoost and GT model only. V6 is gone.
• All models get revised shocks, increased lateral stiffness, and revised stabilizer bars (base suspension improvements said to be on par with the previous optional performance suspension)
• MagneRide adaptive dampers available on both EcoBoost and GT Performance Packs (will be matched with and tuned for, less spring compared to GT350's MagneRide suspension)
• 5.0-liter V8 and 2.3-liter EcoBoost will both get power increases (exact HP/TQ increases not yet released). Expect the EcoBoost to receive more torque and the GT to get an increase in both horsepower and torque.
• Performance Package available on automatic and/or convertible Mustangs (no need to choose anymore)
• The 2018 Mustang GT gets an updated 5.0-liter Coyote V8 with both port and direct fuel injection which allows Ford to increase the V8's compression ratio from 11.0:1 to 12.0:1.
• Available six-speed manual transmission for both GT and EcoBoost (with twin-disc clutch and new dual mass flywheel on the Mustang GT)
• 10-speed optional automatic transmission available for both models - shorter first gear and wider overall gear spread compared to the outgoing auto. Will stay in first gear for extra hard launches. Selecting Sport and Track mode will lock out 10th gear and hold gears for longer
• GT Performance Package receives Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires
• EcoBoost Performance Package retains Pirelli P-Zeros
• Mustang GT gets optional active exhaust
• 10 new wheel designs, 12 in total, including several wheels that are stand-alone options.
• On sale in North America in Fall 2017
• Pricing for the base four-cylinder model likely to remain close to the 2017 Mustang EcoBoost $27,095 MSRP while the GT should add approximately $500-$1000 on top of the current $34,095 MSRP.

COSMETIC CHANGES:
• Refined aerodynamics to reduce coefficient drag and better balance lift at high speeds
• New headlights with revised boomerang LED shark gills
• Redesigned front bumper
• 20mm lowered vented hood
• Wider front grille
• New lower rear diffuser with black finish
• New C-Shaped rear light clusters
• New decklid wing on Performance Package models

INTERIOR / TECHNOLOGY
• New 12-inch all-digital instrument cluster with 3 modes (Normal, Sport, Track) replaces analog speedo and tachometer
• Mustang MyMode with memory function saves favorite drive settings including suspension, steering preferences, active exhaust valve behavior, and other preferences. Selectable with the steering wheel controls and the main gauge display.
• Track Apps improved to deliver virtual time slips after acceleration runs
• Pre-Collision Assist with pedestrian detect, distance alert, lane departure warning, lane keeping assist, driver alert system and forward-facing camera
• Ford SYNC Connect with FordPass to start, lock, unlock and locate your car
• Center console adds new hand-stitched wrap with contrast stitching and padded knee bolsters
• Door handles, rings and bezels are finished in aluminum.
• Restyled seating surfaces feature new patterns and color choices (premium-trim seats get blue or red accent trimming)
• Instrument panel with updated Mustang badge
• Optional heated steering wheel
• New key fob design

MUSTANG ECOBOOST NEW FEATURES
• Limited-duration overboost function adds more torque
• Revised shocks, increased lateral stiffness, and revised stabilizer bars
• MagneRide damper technology optional on Performance Package
• 6-speed manual transmission upgraded for optimal torque
• New 10-speed automatic transmission for quicker shift times, better low-speed tip-in response and reduced friction losses
• Standard dual-tip exhaust
• All-LED front lights including signature lighting, low-beams, turn signals, efficient projector high-beams and available fog lamps.
• Available performance spoiler

MUSTANG GT NEW FEATURES
• More powerful and revs higher (full details yet to be released)
• New and revised Coyote 5.0-liter V8 with dual-fuel, high-pressure direct injection and low-pressure port fuel injection delivers robust low-end torque, high-rpm power, and improved fuel efficiency. Mustang chief engineer Carl Widmann states that the only truly carryover piece from the current 5.0-liter is the crankshaft.
• Optional active valve exhaust system with fully variable soundtrack to match entire acceleration range
• Comparing pre-recorded exhaust sound tracks (at the private event), the valves produce a louder and more metallic snarl across the rpm range
• Revised shocks, increased lateral stiffness, and revised stabilizer bars
• MagneRide damper technology optional on Performance Package
• 6-speed manual transmission upgraded for optimal torque. Totally redesigned to include twin-disc clutch and dual-mass flywheel to increase torque capability and more efficient clutch modulation (increases compression ratio from 11.0:1 to 12.0:1)
• New 10-speed automatic transmission for quicker shift times, better low-speed tip-in response and reduced friction losses
• Standard quad-tip exhaust
• All-LED front lights including signature lighting, low-beams, turn signals, efficient projector high-beams and available fog lamps.
• Available performance spoiler
• GT Performance Package receives Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires

PERFORMANCE NOTES:
• The GT Performance Pack with MagneRide should be faster than the 2012-2013 Mustang Boss 302.

AVAILABLE COLORS:
• NL Orange Fury (New)
• R3 Royal Crimson (New)
• L6 Kona Blue (New)
• G1 Shadow Black
• H3 Triple Yellow
• J7 Magnetic Metallic
• N6 Lightning Blue
• PQ Race Red
• RR Ruby Red Tint
• UX Ingot Silver
• YZ Oxford White


Pics:
http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2160&stc=1http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2161&stc=1http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2162&stc=1http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2163&stc=1http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2164&stc=1http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2165&stc=1

More info, pics & video at Mustang6g.com. (http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74118)

[Kchrpm]

Going farther down the catfish mouth route. It has proven popular in other uses, and is Jag like in some ways, I doubt the market will find it offensive.

Orange Fury :up:

Sounds like a nice refresh.

[dodint]

It's already been dubbed the 'sad face Mustang.' :lol:

My feelings are, in terms of styling, that it was cool when it went retro like 15 years ago or whenever, and now it has softened and jellybeaned to the point that it looks like a retro version of the '94 Mustang GT:

https://image.adam.automotive.com/f/12275229/m5lp_0308_05_z+supercharged_1994_ford_mustang_gt+f ront_view.jpg

Which, don't get me wrong, isn't a bad thing. I was 12 in 1994 and wanted that car soooooo, baaaaaad.

[novicius]

As much as I'm a fat old man perennially romanticizing American Graffiti, Vanishing Point and Two-Lane Blacktop, I am a fan of tech and of moving the chains ever forward, both of which the SN95 & the 4th gen F-body accomplished in their day.

So I definitely dig the new design! I dig it mainly because it's yet another step away from the '05 Mustang GT, a design that I do admire but also made the Mustang a LARGE AUTOMOBILE without making the interior significantly roomier than the SN95 so... why did they bother?? #6000sux #meh

(I'm also looking forward to seeing a smaller car in the S650 in 2020.)

[Jason]

I'm really curious how a 10 speed auto works in practice.

[Kchrpm]

I want to make a graph that would explain how I would make one work in practice, and therefore how I presume they work. How would I do that...

[George]

I'm really curious how a 10 speed auto works in practice.

And in how many of those ten will the tires spin or chirp under hard acceleration? :devil:

[Kchrpm]

I'll have to do some polish later, the Google Sheets app won't let me make the graph as readable as I'd like.

[novicius]

GT500 spotted? :assclown:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg2Mz9Mmhz8

http://gtxforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2171&stc=1

There have been a lot of Easter eggs in the digital dashboard pics for the 2018 Mustang. Some folks think that they're indicating that the Mustang GT will come with 455 HP and that the GT500 will come with 755 HP. For this car to trip the lights at 10.98 @ 126 MPH, that's 700-horse territory. The factory-driven Hellcat time is 11.2 @ 126 MPH (10.8 on drag radials).

If the GT500 is indeed packing twin-turbocharged 4.8L EcoBoost V8 power, it is definitely possible to hit all those metrics...

[Freude am Fahren]

I wonder if those two cars are GT500 and GT500R (wing, carbon wheels, etc, just like the 350).

As to the times, don't forget the Hellcat is like 750lb heavier than the Mustang (GT anyway).

[novicius]

Of course -- but the Hellcat is not expected to turn.

A GT500(R) is expected to set a blistering 'Ring time in addition to 10-second quarter-mile passes, all on "street" tires.

[Freude am Fahren]

I just mean for comparing 1/4 miles times and HP. That's a lot of weight to haul down the strip, so a few tenths might not necessarily mean much more power, if any.

[novicius]

I'm thinking more about the difficulties in having a rear suspension spring rate that'll handle.

They're probably opting to have it be pretty stiff vs soft, which can cause the launch times to suffer. Ergo less weight alone may not be enough to beat a Hellcat, might need more power too. #maybe

[TheBenior]

I'm thinking more about the difficulties in having a rear suspension spring rate that'll handle.

They're probably opting to have it be pretty stiff vs soft, which can cause the launch times to suffer. Ergo less weight alone may not be enough to beat a Hellcat, might need more power too. #maybe
Might magnetic suspension help there?

[novicius]

Softer rear springs with the MagneRide magnetorheological adaptive dampers set from Slushy to concrete settings? Gotta be -- launching on 19" rims (the Shelby GT350R runs P305/35ZR19's on the rear, for example) isn't easy no matter how wide & sticky the tread or how fuzzy the ECU logic.

I just think that making the car handle with big sway bars takes away from the ability to launch. The easiest way to make up that time in the quarter is to add horsepower, right?

[novicius]

"A hybrid version of the iconic Mustang that will deliver V8 power and even more low-endtorque. The Mustang Hybrid, built at the Flat Rock Plant, debuts in 2020 and will be available in the North America to start."
Just another tidbit to post here: Mustang6g.com thinks the 2020 Ford Mustang Hybrid will be packing a twin-turbo V6. (http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=10531)

[thesameguy]

I was talking with my coworker/Mustang enthusiast about that today. I think it's going to be *tough* to tell people the pony car has not only IRS but no V8, but that's exactly what I think is going to happen. I think the move to Ecoboosts in the F-series portends a broad discontinuation of V8s in passenger cars. Maybe the GT350/500 will keep a V8. but I think the regular GTs are going to dump 'em.

[novicius]

Eh, now that Trump's president and global warming is a scam, I'd be shocked if the V8's go away anytime in the next four years no matter how hot things get. ;)

[novicius]

Some more thoughts on the subject of a Mustang Hybrid:

The 2015-2017 EcoBoost 2.7L (twin-turbo V6, 325 HP) F-150 comes with standard Auto Start-Stop right now. In the F-150 4×2, the EcoBoost 2.7L has best-in-class EPA-estimated gasoline fuel economy ratings of 19 MPG City / 26 MPG Highway (weight 4800+ lbs). TTAC likes the EcoBoost 2.7L, too. (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/04/best-ford-f-150-engine-smallest-one-can-buy/)

2017 Mustang EcoBoost 2.3L (turbo I4, 310 HP) is EPA rated @ 22 MPG City / 31 MPG Highway
2017 Fusion Hybrid (2.0L I4 + 1.4 kWh Li-ion, 188 HP) is EPA rated @ 43 MPG City / 41 MPG Highway

Everything seems so close. Hmm. The biggest window looks like a 350ish HP Mustang Hybrid that achieves 33 MPG City / 31 MPG Highway for MSRP $40K while keeping the entry-level Mustang EcoBoost @ $30K and pushing the GT up to $50K by 2020.

My only question is when is a beefed-up (and heavily/redundantly cooled) CVT gonna drop? ;)

[Phil_SS]

There will always be a V8 option for a Mustang, I don't see the V8 going anywhere.

And I find it ridiculous if a GT will be 50k. They cost 35k now. No way is it going to go up 15k in 3 years.

[Kchrpm]

I think the V8s will remain for a while, but be increasingly expensive options. That's what the Camaro has done, the V8 can't be had for less than low-mid 40k.

[thesameguy]

I think Ford's current pricing strategy is the hybrids cost more. A base Fusion hybrid is a few grand more than a Fusion, an Energi hybrid like six or seven grand more. I suspect they would position the Mustang similarly. I don't think the GT is the top of the [MSRP] line with hybrid drivetrains in play.

I don't think anybody makes a CVT that can do even 300hp reliably. JATCO tried to say theirs would put up with a VQ and that didn't pan out. The big investment in the 10-speed auto was because no 300+hp CVT is on the horizon... the pieces necessary to take that power wouldn't fit in a conventional car.*



* Torque is really the limiting factor with most transmissions, I just can't be arsed to look up numbers.