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    I disagree with Palmer on his assessment. Yes, Perez had a lot of acreage to his left, but why should he move and allow Sainz to escape from the dirty side? they're not turning, so the whole "front axle ahead" thing is moot.

    Sainz understeered off T2 onto the bad part of the straight, don't we want drivers be punished for making mistakes?
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    Karun said it was Sainz fault and I agree.

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    You guys don’t think it’s just a racing incident?

    Both racing lines are going to intersect, if neither driver’s willing to alter course, contact will be inevitable…

    Sainz made no sudden nor any dangerous maneuvers. Perez is also definitely entitled to hold his line. However, given that he is the car behind and also has a lot of space to go parallel along side the car slightly in front, I tend to think Perez should be the one yielding… if I were Perez, I’d yield until I have no more room to go… and if Sainz is really that blind to squeeze me into the wall then so be it.

    Anyway, I see it as a racing incident. Both of them crashing out should be penalty enough.

    BTW, is it me or does that pint of cola guy looks kinda like the love child of Senna and Leclerc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed_Insanity View Post
    Sainz made no sudden nor any dangerous maneuvers. Perez is also definitely entitled to hold his line.
    You are correct. And it is also correct to assume that Perez could have done more to avoid the incident. However, right off the bat Sainz said that "he didn't do anything different" and I take issue with that.

    Dude, you went too deep in the previous corner, trying to overtake Leclerc, you then had a bit of a wiggle which gave Perez hope, of course you had a better launch off the turn exit and were in a better position to duck in slipstream of the car ahead, though if you hadn't, you'd still have the inside of the next corner.

    All those things should have made you do something different, Carlos.

    That's my problem with Sainz, he has zero creativity, he's a blunt instrument. Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, they all would have tried something different.
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    Karun said similar. Blew the corner previously and ended up out of position. Shit Sainz even checked his mirror right before crashing into him.

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    I think they were both fighting to stay in LeClerc's slipstream, which was crossing the track on the normal racing line.

    I know heat-of-the-moment stuff is very hard to make decisions on, but a smart team mate could have kept his car to the right for a little bit longer to allow Sainz to have an advantage over Perez.

    But hey, they came together and ended their own races without detriment to other drivers :shrug:

    Racing incident. Move on to next week.

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    Yeah I don’t think anyone is saying there should be penalties. Just who is more at fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaultyMario View Post
    You are correct. And it is also correct to assume that Perez could have done more to avoid the incident. However, right off the bat Sainz said that "he didn't do anything different" and I take issue with that.

    Dude, you went too deep in the previous corner, trying to overtake Leclerc, you then had a bit of a wiggle which gave Perez hope, of course you had a better launch off the turn exit and were in a better position to duck in slipstream of the car ahead, though if you hadn't, you'd still have the inside of the next corner.

    All those things should have made you do something different, Carlos.

    That's my problem with Sainz, he has zero creativity, he's a blunt instrument. Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, they all would have tried something different.
    My take on his comment was simply that he didn’t change directions. No weaving and no dangerous blocking maneuvers.

    He held his heading and made no directional changes whatsoever. They were also not under heavy braking… there are also plenty of room…

    Only reason the crash happened was because neither wanted to blink 1st in that game of chicken!

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    It wasn't real clear from the broadcast replays but the road kinks slightly left partway down the straight between turns 2 and 3. Right about where the Ferrari and RedBull came to rest actually. Normally a driver would 'shortcut' that left kink a little bit and be away from the right side wall for a period of time. Sergio would know this. Carlos was also desperate after his misjudgment entering T2, and surely wanted the tow from Charles to have any hope of not losing out to Sergio. Sergio would know this. It has long been accepted in F1 that in overlap situations, unless they're fully front wheel to front wheel, the leading driver has the 'right' to gently move toward one side of the track to influence the trailing driver's line. Sergio would know this. I think well over 50% of the blame for this incident rests on him. He should also know that if he can hold the inside into the braking zone for the next turn, he'll have the advantage. It doesn't look like Carlos jinked or swerved, so while I wouldn't call him blameless in this incident I don't think he can be called primarily at fault either.

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    What a race. Baku does it again. And somehow Lando managed to outscore Max without Max having any contact or bungled pit stop. Even though Sergio is a master around Baku, I'm surprised he was able to handily outperform Max yesterday.

    Oscar is becoming a stone cold killer. He said after last year he was going to work on his race pace, and here he is in his second season bearing fruit. He must be so happy he didn't end up at Alpine.

    How about that Franco kid? He seems intelligent, assured, cool, savvy and fast. He's acquitting himself very well for a drive. But where would he go? Is he going to be Williams' reserve driver next year, and if so, how long is he willing to be a reserve instead of full time in a car?

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    Oscar clearly has the mental capacity to be a multi-champ! If Lando were rising up thru the ranks sponsored by Renault's racing academy, surely he would've stayed loyal to Renault and stay with Alpine. However, as a multi-champ, he's planning and looking way ahead... and did his best to get out of his Alpine contract!

    Overall, I still think Lando has way more natural talent, able to adapt to crap cars and still be fast. His only drawback is that he's too nice of a human being. I hope Lando won't end up like Ricciardo while Oscar becomes the new Max?

    Anyway, as for the pint of cola... he's clearly just as impressive as Bearman! Makes me wonder if that Kimi Antonelli is really better than those 2... if yes, then we're in for some exciting F1 seasons for many years to come!

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