Politics

[Tom Servo]

Saw this on twitter:

"Donald Trump is like if a Youtube comments section ran for office."

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:lol:

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This is the first time that I am aware of that I approve of anything from Lindsey Graham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXSFRMJhlgY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXa3FYPHlWs

[overpowered]

Pat Robertson, bringing his usual crazy.

http://www.thegailygrind.com/2015/07/21/pat-warns-streets-will-be-filled-with-men-having-sex-with-animals-because-of-gay-marriage/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_PYBKG3r2c

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DSfvYCKwY

[LHutton]

I don't know. Not to be mean, but doesn't he represent their real agenda? More money for rich folks, get rid of the colored people, cut funds to all social programs, etc... He just isn't trying to hid it. At ALL :smh: I mean it sounds horrible... But, there has to be a reason that his poll numbers are going up. :(
Because the hardcore of Republicans love the guy but his opinions will completely alienate the middle ground and you can't win a presidential election without the middle ground, which is what the people voting for him don't realise.

[FaultyMario]

Next Stop, the closing of Camp X-Ray.

B.MF.O. plans to veto any republican opposition.

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Who was Rusty Houser, the alleged Louisiana movie theater gunman?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article28502206.html

[Sad, little man]

The fact that Trump is still topping polls even after all of the attacks he made on Mexicans and McCain is proof positive that republicans hate themselves.

[overpowered]

He's at the top of the polls but he's still a minority of GOP voters so far, because the field of candidates is large. It will be interesting to see what happens as the field narrows, assuming he's still in it.

[MR2 Fan]

he should run independent! That can split the GOP vote completely :)

[FaultyMario]

I do not believe he ever had a nomination in the books.
He was always looking for the quick cashout, it's gona be fun seeing him try to juggle his atention grab into a proper campaign.

[LHutton]

he should run independent! That can split the GOP vote completely :)
You know I've always thought that would be a great way to screw the opposition in US politics. If some billionaire democrat actually chose to run as, or fund a Republican-style independent nominee just to screw them. But it seems they're stupid enough to do this kind of thing all by themselves.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Yeah, Ross Perot definitely help gave rise of Bill Clinton! But we had an incumbent republican president at the time. Senior Bush really just might be re-elected if it weren't for Perot... or the race would've been closer...

This time around though, Republicans are just a mess. Who knows, they just might be desperate enough to nominate Trump! :D

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[LHutton]

So Turkey is attacking the Kurds as well as IS.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/world/middleeast/turkey-attacks-kurdish-militant-camps-in-northern-iraq.html?_r=0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9eV6K_yHg

[MR2 Fan]

great video, but they make it sound like Congress actually listens to the public

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[neanderthal]

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Um, he does.

And they are!

His target audience is pretty much everybody. His message is designed to appeal to all middle class people across the political spectrum. And to me it does.

He's not talking about raising taxes, which would turn off conservatives immediately. He's talking about repairing our infrastructure, which errbody agrees is necessary. Raising taxes will be likely to get that done. Very smart.

And, he's not making pointed political attacks at his fellow candidates; he's attacking their positions and policies, bring the focus to that.

Brilliant strategy.

[neanderthal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9eV6K_yHg

Only idiots prefer the current detente/ status quo or anything else, to this deal. Seriously.

[thesameguy]

I really don't like it when politicians discuss issues rather than their competitions inadequacies. The system was not designed to support that.

[neanderthal]

great video, but they make it sound like Congress actually listens to the public

I think Congress' action (if they oppose it) will hurt the Republicans at election time. We'll see what happens.

[neanderthal]

I really don't like it when politicians discuss issues rather than their competitions inadequacies. The system was not designed to support that.

Took me a second, but then the sarcasm filter kicked in.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9eV6K_yHg

That is a pretty awesome video! Like a giant Skype conversation! If it weren't for Queen of Jordan's involvement, I'd think this is totally scripted/acted.

I wonder why is Israel so against the deal though. Or is it only the ultra conservative Israel is against the deal? Why couldn't we get a deal that can keep both Iran and Israel happy?

[overpowered]

Lewis Black back in 2012 on Trump.

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/07/an-old-lewis-black-attack-on-the-donald-great-material/

[thesameguy]

I am totally enjoying all the retro-Trump stuff coming out. Someone on the radio referenced the 10 year old Simpsons episode where Trump was president. Maybe Matt Groening planted the seed.

[LHutton]

Didn't he run in 1999 as the Reform Party?

[LHutton]

Discuss.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/man-shoots-down-drone-hovering-000032027.html


A Kentucky man thinks it unacceptable when a drone floats over his property. So he shoots it down. Then the drone's owners come calling.

[Tom Servo]

Apropos: http://www.loweringthebar.net/2015/07/trespassing-drone.html

[Crazed_Insanity]

What would happen to drones flying around the White House?

Granted we don't have secret service working around our houses, but I don't see why the same 'rules' couldn't apply universally.

Anyway, looking forward to armed armor plated drones and anti-drone missiles!

[MR2 Fan]

I forsee new "Stand your Airspace" laws soon

[thesameguy]

I am waiting with bated breath!

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Lion-Killing Dentist Disappears as Zimbabwe Requests Extradition

http://gawker.com/lion-killing-dentist-disappears-as-zimbabwe-requests-ex-1721276872

[21Kid]

So, he didn't know about it until it was too late?


In early July, I was in Zimbabwe on a bow hunting trip for big game. I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted.

I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt. Letter to patients (http://gawker.com/lion-killing-dentists-email-to-patients-my-bad-i-thou-1721052826)

[overpowered]

While I think we should extradite him to Zimbabwe, I also think a lot of people are overreacting.

The death and torture threats being made against him are uncalled for.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I don't think people's outrage is totally uncalled for, uncivilized maybe, but some people believe in an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. He should be shot in the leg and just before he bleeds out to dead, toss him inside a lion's den so that justice can be somewhat served.

Anyway, outrage is definitely called for... and hopefully in the future those hunter types will think twice before paying big bucks going to Africa looking for wild life.

[thesameguy]

Probably standing trial in Zimbabwe is sufficient.

Hunting for sport, especially something you're not going to eat, is IMHO pretty deplorable but if it's legal it's legal. This guy obviously has a history of illegal hunting & coverups so it's kinda hard to believe his story, but that's what courts are for, not the mob.

[overpowered]

I didn't say that the outrage was uncalled for. The death and torture threats are.

[neanderthal]

I'm from Zimbabwe and I don't buy one tiny bit of his story.

[LHutton]

I forsee new "Stand your Airspace" laws soon
As I see it, nobody would accept someone climbing up the side of their house with a camera, and a drone is essentially the same thing.

[LHutton]

http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-official-says-bin-ladens-killed-england-plane-070149954.html


UK police confirm 3 bin Ladens killed in England plane crash

LONDON (AP) — Three relatives of the late al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden were among four people killed when a private jet crashed on landing in southern England, British police confirmed Saturday.

[Tom Servo]

As I see it, nobody would accept someone climbing up the side of their house with a camera, and a drone is essentially the same thing.

At least in the quoted case, there was no camera.

[LHutton]

At least in the quoted case, there was no camera.
Before the shot nobody knows that though, and the general harassment potential makes it a justified shoot IMO. Those little drones are almost unbearably annoying in BF3 and to think that they can exist near your house in real life is unacceptable. As well as a maximum altitude, there needs to be a minimum altitude and shotgun range implies that it was too low. It's fairly terrible that we've actually reached the point where new technology is becoming more of a nuisance than a convenience.

[MR2 Fan]

Plus cameras are so tiny, any size drone could carry a camera

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[21Kid]

It's sad that usually that would be considered satire... Except they've actually made it true. :(

[Drachen596]

Secret service has their own drones for hunting drones apparently.

FAA ruling says max legal altitude is 400 feet. Pretty sure that is still low enough to get hit with a shotgun.

Btw that article says it did have a camera. Idiots like those guya are the reason why you end up with extremely strict laws on common sense things.

[Tom Servo]

Hah, I didn't pay enough attention and assumed that article was about the same drone-shooting-down incident that my article was about. I had sorta assumed there weren't two such incidents. At least in mine there was no camera.

[Drachen596]

Fwiw there have been quite a few shoot down articles. Nearly all have the same invasion of privacy in flying over private land, videoing people in their yards or just straight up harassment with the drones.

Havent seen one yet where the drone flyer was doing everything as they should have been. Its not helping any that quite a few companies make them easier to operate than some smartphones.

[Tom Servo]

Ahh. Basically, except for the lowering the bar article, I hadn't heard of that at all. All we're getting out here are people flying them over brush fires, forcing the people fighting the fires to ground their aircraft until the drones are gone.

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For Jason


https://youtu.be/4Z4j2CrJRn4?t=15m32s

[overpowered]

An idiot thinks that NBC changed their logo to support gay people.

http://www.queerty.com/arkansas-man-freaks-out-at-nbc-rainbow-logo-but-the-joke-is-on-him-20150629

NBC hasn't changed their logo since 1986. The logo they had before that was also a peacock with rainbow colors. I remember that logo from when I was a little kid in the 1960's.

[Jason]

For Jason


https://youtu.be/4Z4j2CrJRn4?t=15m32s

Saw that earlier today, the end is amazing hahaha

For obvious reasons I support DC residents having voting representation and autonomy. Whether it's statehood, or rolling the non federal land back into Maryland, I don't really care.

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Bernie Sanders Clearly In Pocket Of High-Rolling Teacher Who Donated $300 To His Campaign

http://www.theonion.com/article/bernie-sanders-clearly-pocket-high-rolling-teacher-50990

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Rick Perry Challenges Donald Trump to a Pullup Contest

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rick-perry-challenges-donald-trump-pullup-contest/story?id=32766596

[21Kid]

That weird moment when "anti-business climate action" is actually supported by business. (http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/if-climate-action-anti-business-why-does-business-demand-climate-action.html)

Yesterday, when the Obama administration revealed its long-awaited (and stronger than expected!) clean power plan, 365 businesses (http://news.yahoo.com/365-companies-and-investors-throw-weight-behind-epa-s-clean-power-plan-182736279.html) came out in vocal support. What's interesting about this list of backers is that it wasn't just wind turbine manufacturers or solar power companies looking to make a fast buck off some crony capitalism. Instead, it's a broad cross-section of our economy—a cross-section that increasingly sees both risk in inaction, and opportunity in taking on the climate challenge head on.

Signatories include Staples, General Mills, GAP, Adidas, Nestle and many others. And while we environmentalists will no doubt find fault with any one of these corporations on aspects of their current business models, we ought to welcome their rhetorical (and financial) force behind robust climate action. Because it makes the anti-environmentalist push back—usually couched in anti-capitalism theories—that much more ridiculous and untenable.

GOP lawmakers may still repeal North Carolina's REPS—but they'll have a hard time making the case that they are doing so for pro-business reasons. Law makers everywhere will be watching carefully as more and more businesses—big and small—come out in favor of clean energy.

[thesameguy]

The good thing about laws which have the potential of raising the cost of doing business is they can scuttle smaller businesses that can't afford to operate in the new climate that larger businesses can endure.

[MR2 Fan]

Faux news announces its debate lineup for the GOP...or should I say TWO debate lineup....there's so many candidates piling on they had to split them up!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/politics/fox-debate-cleveland-announcement/index.html

17 candidates total...unreal.

[Rikadyn]

so like the top 3 from each debate go on to the main debate, with the top 2 from the last chance qualifier?

[thesameguy]

DOUBLE ELIMINATION

[21Kid]

:lol:

Wait, Scott Walker is in 3rd? :erm:

[thesameguy]

Like it matters.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'm betting Trump will eventually win the tournament.

Seriously, not looking forward to next election. Also don't feel like voting another Bush or Clinton into office.

[overpowered]

5 Ways America Is Already Socialist

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/598700563604788/

[neanderthal]

I don't drink.

But if i were to follow the drinking rules for tonight's debacle, (ahemm ... debate,) i'd be drunk by the time the candidates finished introducing themselves.

[21Kid]

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[thesameguy]

Yeah... I can't decide whether I should cry sober or drunk tonight.

[neanderthal]

I am going to watch, only because **I AM** interested in the political goings on of this country. Although, to be fair, this is going to be more of a clown act.

There is precious little coming from the Republicans that is not rehashed, regurgitated utter crap. The same failed policies are in the script, and like trained parrots they are all squawking them faithfully. With very little variance.

[Alan P]

So with the 'revelation' that a Pro Athlete doesn't believe in God, and given the separation that's at least supposed to be between state and church, is there any real chance of a unreligious person getting anywhere in US Politics? It doesn't really take a religious person to understand what's right and wrong and those highly religious people that talk about God on the US shows I see certainly cherry pick the bits they want and need to support whatever argument they're having.

[Freude am Fahren]

Ugh, as if this wasn't enough of a bullshit soap opera, Fox had to pack an arena full of people to cheer and jeer.

[George]

Looks like one of those mega-church arenas, to me.

Again, I don't support Trump for president, but I love how he just blurts out whatever he feels like saying.

To Rand Paul: "You're not doing very well tonight, are you?" (or something like that) :lol:

[Freude am Fahren]

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[neanderthal]

There was so little substance in the debate. Admittedly, the number of candidates and the length of time given to respond didn't really allow for that, but then what was the point?

Very eloquent bloviators though, the lot of them.

Lots to talk about Clinton, Obama, the Iran nuclear deal, Obamacare, lowering taxes, and their records. And other than Trump and his bankruptcies, none of them was actually challenged on their records.
Kasich surprised a lot of people with his comments about accepting gay people, I think. And I totally did NOT expect the audience to cheer for that response.

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[FaultyMario]

Funny stuff on those emails, eh Mrs. HRC? (http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/08/07/hillary-clinton-state-department-emails-mexico-energy-reform-revolving-door)

It was not the fuckups she was trying to cover up, it was the success stories, which are quite frankly, a lot more scary.

[thesameguy]

The upside is that I could not possible distrust that woman more. The sole thing she has going for her over her jackass competition is that at least I broadly share her social policy. As far as anything else goes, she's as evil as any of them. No wonder Bill went for Monica - Hillary is a god damn monster.

[FaultyMario]

No, no, no. There's pure evil and then there's Hillary, whom Satan wants to guard his heart against.

[LHutton]

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-makes-veiled-threats-against-iranian-nuclear-scientists-203014893.html


Berlin (AFP) - Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon issued a veiled threat against Iranian nuclear experts saying the Jewish state had a right to defend itself and that he was not "responsible for their lives".

[FaultyMario]

Netanyahu is a four year old. And a war criminal.

He's a living Joan Cornellà character.

[Sad, little man]

Joan Cornellà... So hot right now..... Joan Cornellà.

[overpowered]

Trump endorses tweet calling Megyn Kelly a 'bimbo'

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250552-trump-endorses-tweet-calling-megyn-kelly-a-bimbo

[thesameguy]

The Trump ain't got time for your jibber jabber, fool, and neither does his country.

[LHutton]

It's difficult to see the Republicans ever making a comeback at this rate, they just haven't realised that they're moving in the wrong direction. It will take a major economic meltdown, with guilt placed on the Democrats or similar.

[thesameguy]

It seems that when your platform is crazy eventually the inmates end up running the asylum.

I'm sure a bunch of dumb-ass officials is exactly what the Koch Brothers et al initially thought they wanted, but you can only spike the punch so often before everyone is messed up.

[George]

The Trump ain't got time for your jibber jabber, fool...

I saw this post a few hours ago and am still laughing. Mr. T would be a perfect running mate for Trump.

[LHutton]

I saw this post a few hours ago and am still laughing. Mr. T would be a perfect running mate for Trump.
Or Zippee from Rainbow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62SnbNizIM

[speedpimp]

So Trump's remarks implying that Kelly was on the rag got him disinvited from some GOP stroke fest called "Red State". I wonder if they would be so up in arms if he had said the same about Rachel Maddow.

[thesameguy]

How can you disinvite a person who references Captain Bloodsnatch from a Red State event? That seems like a match made in heaven! Similarly, how Trump didn't suggest Kelly was in a red state given his calendar is a damned travesty.

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[Cam]

That is amazing. :lol:

[Fogelhund]

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/new-nbc-news-survey-monkey-poll-donald-trump-still-lead-n406766

Trump leading...LOL 23%, Cruz at 13%..

During the Fox News debate Thursday evening, Trump was the only Republican candidate to say he would not rule out a run as an independent candidate. According to this poll, that's just fine with over half of his supporters.

Fifty-four percent of Trump supporters said they would vote for him for president, even if he didn't win the GOP nomination. About one in five Trump supporters said they would switch and support the eventual Republican candidate.


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It's almost like he is there to prevent the Republicans from winning... I am amazed at how much support he has.

[George]

It's almost like he is there to prevent the Republicans from winning...

Well, that's what the conspriacy theorists are saying - that's he's a lifelong Democrat and known Clinton supporter, and he's acting as a stooge to screw up the Republicans so Mrs. Clinton can walk away with the election. This seems especially likely if he runs as an independent and splits the conservative vote.

[thesameguy]

Perot II, Electric Boogaloo!

[Tom Servo]

That'd be a bigger heel turn than his WWE career ever featured.

http://i.imgur.com/IbpwztR.gif

[Crazed_Insanity]

If Trump is really playing a conservative as Steven Colbert was, that'd be awesome and I'd have lots of respect for him. Heck, I might even just forget about Democrats and vote for him for realz! :D

[overpowered]

This is long, but interesting. It's a documentary made about Trump back in the 90's. Apparently its release was suppressed by Trump back then but now we live in the age of Youtube, and it's hard to suppress stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fofz08QW_t8

[overpowered]

14 propaganda techniques used by Fox News.

http://www.alternet.org/story/151497/14_propaganda_techniques_fox_'news'_uses_to_brainw ash_americans

Actually, they're used by others, though Fox does seem to be overwhelming heavy on these things.

[thesameguy]

In debating some of these tactics with colleagues and friends, I have also noticed that the Fox viewership seems to be marked by a sort of collective personality disorder whereby the viewer feels almost as though they've been let into a secret society. Something about their affiliation with the network makes them feel privileged and this affinity is likely what drives the viewers to defend the network so vehemently. They seem to identify with it at a core level, because it tells them they are special and privy to something the rest of us don't have. It's akin to the loyalty one feels by being let into a private club or a gang. That effect is also likely to make the propaganda more powerful, because it goes mostly unquestioned.

More than anything, this.

[Yw-slayer]

Of course. "You are fed lies by the left-wing media! Only people like ME, who watch X, know the truth!!"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcy7qV-BGF4

[21Kid]

:| Still not certain...





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZUjU4e4fUI

[tigeraid]

It's not a fucking controversial question. The war was over State's Rights--THE RIGHT TO OWN SLAVES. Was every Confederate soldier a slave-owning racist? Of fucking course not, you had to be rich to be a slave owner. They were fed the same bullshit propagandist lies that every foot solider is fed: the Union is coming to burn your homes, coming to rape your children, coming to take everything you own. Does that mean all Confederate soldiers were bad guys? No, and neither was every Nazi soldier. That doesn't mean what they were doing wasn't stone-dead fucking wrong. :angry:

[Crazed_Insanity]

What is slavery about? Why do people exploit other people? Just because God said white people need to rule over black people?

IMHO, all wars are about power/money grabs. That's why Abe wanted to preserve the union...(Obviously more states means more power and more tax revenue) and that's why the South wants to keep having slaves(why pay for them when you can get them to work for free?).

I don't doubt the truths presented in that video, but I question the motivation of being a proud 'blue' soldier fighting against slavery against a bunch of evil racist southerners. Are those red southerners your brothers or not? If you think they're really such assholes, why not just set them free? Why forced them to be part of your union against their will?

Anyway, what does this video have anything to do with modern day US politics? Or why is it in this thread? Just to highlight that Southerners are assholes or have asshole ancestors?

Actually we all have assholes.

There are definitely still racists over there in the south, but I'm sure there are also racists in the north too. Post civil war, I also don't think any southerner claimed that slavery is the right thing to do. That's why they want to claim that they were fighting for state rights... Anyway, I just think it's stupid to pick on this old wound... and continue to use it to divide modern day america.

[thesameguy]

I think the first question we have to answer is how Col. Seidule is related to Matt Frewer.

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[George]

A book I read within the last couple years, either "Atlantic" by Simon Winchester or "1493" by Charles C. Mann, talks about one reason slavery was big business in the Americas and Carribean that I had never heard of or been taught in school, that I can remember. I don't remember which book, as both discuss people, plants, animals, insects, and diseases being carried across oceans, but the reason for the "slavery boom" a couple hundred years before the Civil War suggested by whichever author was malaria.

Apparently malaria doesn't survive in areas where the average annual temperature is below a certain point, and the author said that point in the eastern USA is roughly the Mason-Dixon line. Most free men would not choose to work in fields and marshes where mosquitos carrying malaria thrived, and one solution to that problem was slaves from Africa, where slavery was a long-standing practice. The author said Europeans fought to obtain territory, but Africans fought to obtain Africans. As crossing the Atlantic became more common and profit-driven, Africans found a huge market for their spoils of war. As I recall, there was also some discussion about people existing with malaria for so long in Africa that there was more immunity among people of African descent than Europeans.

At least that's how I remember it. I hope I haven't butchered either Winchester's or Mann's work too badly.

[George]

And more on the Civil War, or The War Between The States, as it was usually called in the South Carolina public college I attended. Some professors even called it The War Of Northern Aggression with a straight face.

As I recall from various Poly Sci and History classes, unrest had been brewing for a couple decades, but Lincoln winning the presidency without carrying a single southern state was the straw that broke the camel's back. Why should they remain in a union where they were completely disenfranchised? Many southerners considered themselves vastly more educated and capable than the ignorant brutes starving in northern cities, and they were sure of a quick and decisive victory against the north, after which they would carry on as they wished without interference from the USA, including their profitable trade with European powers. They felt self-sufficient and powerful and didn't need anything from the north to survive and prosper as the Confederate States Of America.

Again, that's just how I remember it. It has been a long time since I sat in history class and listened to white-haired professors drone on about the war crimes of General Sherman.

[KillerB]

Not-so-fun-fact - the prevalence of sickle cell anemia in people of African descent is thought to be due to the fact that being a carrier of the gene that causes it offers protection from malaria. Having the disease occurs when you have two copies of the gene.

[speedpimp]

So glad my parents never bought into Fox News' bullshit.

[21Kid]

My in-laws have and it's very polarizing. I can't have a normal talk with them without them bringing something up. And every time my wife and I just say we don't want to talk about politics, especially around our kids.

They even went to one of those "religious freedom" events. Not sure how they rationalize that, when they are trying to propagate discrimination and hate. And they went to a rally to support a gun store owner who refused to sell to Muslims. Because that's their right... and all Muslims are scary, apparently. :smh:

It's pretty sad. We use to be really close to them, but now we rarely talk to them. Mostly because they bring their political beliefs into everything. :(

[George]

So glad my parents never bought into Fox News' bullshit.

My parents' rule is not to call them when the Bill O'Reilly show is on in the evening.

[overpowered]

Not-so-fun-fact - the prevalence of sickle cell anemia in people of African descent is thought to be due to the fact that being a carrier of the gene that causes it offers protection from malaria. Having the disease occurs when you have two copies of the gene.I saw a documentary on that once. When the parasites enter the blood cells of a sickle cell carrier the cell sickles and gets attacked by the immune system, killing the parasite along with the blood cell. Basically, carriers have a less severe form of sickle cell anemia than someone who has the full blown version. Apparently the regions with the highest incidence of sickle cell are also regions known to have had severe malaria problems for centuries. People without the gene at all apparently died from malaria a lot, leaving behind the sickle cell carriers.

Did you mean to post that in the science thread?

[thesameguy]

It was in relation to the George's comment about slavery being promoted by the fact that people wouldn't willingly work in an environment were malaria was common.

[Crazed_Insanity]

My in-laws have and it's very polarizing. I can't have a normal talk with them without them bringing something up. And every time my wife and I just say we don't want to talk about politics, especially around our kids.

They even went to one of those "religious freedom" events. Not sure how they rationalize that, when they are trying to propagate discrimination and hate. And they went to a rally to support a gun store owner who refused to sell to Muslims. Because that's their right... and all Muslims are scary, apparently. :smh:

It's pretty sad. We use to be really close to them, but now we rarely talk to them. Mostly because they bring their political beliefs into everything. :(

I think things can only be polarizing to you if you also hold a strong opposing belief, right? We all tend to do this... what I believe is right... what you believe is obviously wrong so how can you be so stupid?

Anyway, when it comes to relationships, we really don't have to look at things from right vs wrong perspective... such as how can you degenerate southerners fight for slavery? Why would anyone want to even have any sort of relationship with such evil assholes? If we continue think like that, obviously we'll never get very close to any of them.

Whereas if we try to understand how they feel or why they feel a certain way, then maybe you'll understand that they're not so horrible people. Such as Southerners simply revolted because the North was trying to take away something from them. Certainly you wouldn't be happy if all of a sudden somebody asked you to pay for something you used to get for free, right?

Family is family. Try to make an effort to not allow any ideologies end up splitting your families apart.

[George]

It was in relation to the George's comment...

"The Donald" ain't got nuthin' on me! :rawk:

[thesameguy]

Indubitably!

[overpowered]

Governor Brown signed the "right to record act" which makes it explicit in state law that citizens are allowed to record law enforcement officers whenever they are in a public place or in a place where the person recording is authorized to be. It also makes it explicit that recording officers does not constitute probable cause for arrest or detainment. It's no longer left to interpretation of constitutional rights.

http://lbpost.com/news/2000006811-right-to-record-act-clarifies-civilians-recording-of-public-safety-officers-is-lawful

[thesameguy]

Heh, SB411. Now everyone has the right to 411 on 911. 5150. PEACE!

[Random]

Governor Brown signed the "right to record act" which makes it explicit in state law that citizens are allowed to record law enforcement officers whenever they are in public on in a place where the person recording is authorized to be. It also makes it explicit that recording officers does not constitute probable cause for arrest or detainment. It's no longer left to interpretation of constitutional rights.

http://lbpost.com/news/2000006811-right-to-record-act-clarifies-civilians-recording-of-public-safety-officers-is-lawful

Does it clarify that recording officers who thought they had destroyed all the recording devices is also not illegal recording?

Heh.

[thesameguy]

Someone want to start a countdown before Raytheon or Lockheed markets a device capable of sensing and disrupting digital imaging by using a controlled radio frequency transmission to the police?

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's mind boggling to me that we even need a law to counter recording public figures in public places. What current laws they were using to make recording officers a probable cause for arrest or detainment? Officers are afraid that you might be from the Star Trek universe and are actually pulling out a phaser gun at them?

[thesameguy]

It is an interesting shift that things need to be explicitly legalized rather than relying on the historical approach of explicitly outlawing. Changing "if it's not illegal it's legal" to "it's illegal unless it's legal" is bloody scary. And it's a little sad that law enforcement is the agency that was having a problem with how laws work. Of course, in the climate we find ourselves, where government exists to protect business from citizens it's not much of a surprise to find people in charge of the law using it against the citizens instead of for the citizens. Shit is straight backwards, yo.

[overpowered]

Sadly, I have to agree with that.

[overpowered]

Republicans: Their Flip-Flops Since Obama Took Office

http://samuel-warde.com/2014/10/republican-flip-flops/

[overpowered]

Ben Carson, who opposed fetal tissue research, actually published a paper on fetal tissue research that he was involved in back in 1992:

https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2015/08/12/ben-carson-did-research-on-17-week-fetal-tissue/

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK4byQkn7w

http://andrewhearst.com/blog/2006/02/a_bully_gets_bullied_why_rush_limbaugh_never_becam e_the_next_oprah

[speedpimp]

My parents' rule is not to call them when the Bill O'Reilly show is on in the evening.

My dad is 68 and my mom is 67. All my dad will watch is sports(if his wife will let him) and all my mom cares to watch is MeTV and AntennaTV.

[overpowered]

China Air Pollution Kills 4,000 People a Day: Researchers

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-13/china-air-pollution-kills-4-000-people-a-day-researchers

[thesameguy]

“It’s as if every man, woman and child smoked 1.5 cigarettes each hour."

Eesh.

[Tom Servo]

Damn, even when I smoked I think I smoked less than that.

[MR2 Fan]

its sad to think that they could try switching to solar power, but the pollution now is so bad that the solar panels probably couldn't get any sunlight to get power from!

[overpowered]

New Documents Show Bush Administration Planned War In Iraq Well Before 9/11/2001

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan

[Crazed_Insanity]

I think in hindsight it's pretty clear Bush Admin wanted Iraq war for one reason or another. Even 9/11 doesn't really have any real connection to Iraq that's why we needed to pretend that they have WMD.

Anyway, one can only hope that Bush Admin or certain parts of US government didn't stage, plan or finance the destruction of WTC.

[thesameguy]

Indeed... I thought it was always pretty clear (in hindsight) that war was planned, and that's what spawned the WTC and WMD conspiracy theories...

[Crazed_Insanity]

On the other hand, I don't think it's inappropriate for commander-in-chief and the military to sometimes put military plans in place just in case. If we had to goto war against Iraq or Russia or China or Canada or Mexico... how would we do it? During time of peace, their job is to plan these just in case things right?

I'd like to see documents of how they planned to destroy WTC.

Actually, I'd rather not. Not sure how I'd be able to handle that kind of truth... if it were true...

[21Kid]

:(

[MR2 Fan]

In other news, I spent vacation this past week in Duck, North Carolina (next to Kitty Hawk on the Outer Banks) for a family reunion and met up with my cousin and his gf....both heavily involved in Washington stuff.

My cousin worked for Nancy Pelosi and met President Obama 5 mins after his inauguration...and his GF who was also with us works as a spokesperson for the Secretary of Commerce. She's flown on the second Presidential airplane (Air Force 2?) and has been to 35 countries on official business, including Kenya with the President recently....really cool to hear both of their stories about things. :)

[speedpimp]

Air Force One refers to the plane on which The Prez is flying. Air Force Two refers to the plane on which The Veep is flying.

[Drachen596]

the military is constantly planning invasions and attacks on whoever the major (perceived) enemies of the US are at any given time. so its not shocking to me at all that there would have been a plan already laid out to invade a country we had already had conflict with when they invaded their neighboring countries..

they spent the entire cold war dreaming up scenarios with Soviet Russia.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FUh493Jxi8

[George]

I didn't watch the video above, but does that say an 11-year-old was pregnant? Is that even possible at eleven?

Wait...I probably don't want to know.

[Freude am Fahren]

Actually, she was Ten when raped. I think 11 when she had the baby. Possibly, but I think that she'd be on the very early end of the spectrum.

[overpowered]

It varies with genetics and environmental factors including diet and exercise.

According to this, the youngest ever was 5 1/2. There are a ton of known cases for 10. It's a very disturbing list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

[tigeraid]

But remember, a guy who wants to lead the free world says that's okay. :mad:

[Crazed_Insanity]

Pro-life and pro-choice debate is really dumb IMHO. I really don't think any Americans are really against life... especially baby's life. I also don't really think any Americans are against their freedom of making choices.

Is abortion murder, yeah, I'd think so. But if government wish to save a baby that its mother doesn't want, then you better have sufficient funding set aside to be able to properly raise this baby. Further, you better provide the technology needed to support development of this baby after you extract it out of its mom's womb. Unless government can truly be the substitute mommy biologically, emotionally and financially, why not leave the mom alone?

With that said, there probably ought to be some sort of 3 strikes and you're out rule. No one really should have to abort babies more than 3 times? If you are this accident prone, then maybe government should tie your tubes up just to be safe.

[Yw-slayer]

With that said, there probably ought to be some sort of 3 strikes and you're out rule. No one really should have to abort babies more than 3 times? If you are this accident prone, then maybe government should tie your tubes up just to be safe.

Man, seriously??!!

[Crazed_Insanity]

I certainly wasn't trying to be funny.

If someone you know kept on getting unwanted pregnancies, what would you suggest to her? Obviously abstinence nor safe sex works for her. So abortion is the only safe, humane solution available? What do you find so appalling about tied tubes?

[Rikadyn]

I certainly wasn't trying to be funny.

If someone you know kept on getting unwanted pregnancies, what would you suggest to her? Obviously abstinence nor safe sex works for her. So abortion is the only safe, humane solution available? What do you find so appalling about tied tubes?

I don't think the act of getting tubes tied is the problem here, because I agree with you on the sentiment, but rather the idea of government forced sterilization which is what you're promoting with the 2nd part of the idea.

[MR2 Fan]

Billi, since you seem to be an expert on these things, when during the pregnancy do you consider the fetus a living being?

[Crazed_Insanity]

If you can pay for your own abortions, then it won't count against the limit of 3, how's that? Is that better?

I just don't think tax payers should be on the hook for people who are consistently irresponsible. Pro-choice shouldn't be about allowing people to keep on making obviously stupid choices.

[Crazed_Insanity]

Billi, since you seem to be an expert on these things, when during the pregnancy do you consider the fetus a living being?

Never claimed to be an expert. Don't put words in my mouth.

I personally believe baby starts its life at moment of conception... or whenever its unique DNA is formed.

Anyway, what does my belief have anything to do with anything?

[MR2 Fan]

Anyway, what does my belief have anything to do with anything?

I've been thinking that for years! :p

[MR2 Fan]

In other news:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-guarding-anti-islam-gun-store-accidentally-shoots-article-1.2330654

"Oklahoma man accidentally shoots himself while guarding gun store that banned Muslims: cops"

Which goes to show you can't fix stupid, but you can give them a gun

[Crazed_Insanity]

Speaking of gun issue, I also find it fascinating or maybe perplexing that the liberals and conservatives all of a sudden make 180 degree reversal regarding pro-life and pro-choice stance.

Life be damned, I need my guns!
Guns be damned, life is precious!

Go figure.

Anyway, again, not trying to be an expert here, just saying that if I could pass laws, I'll probably give gun owners a 3 lives and you're out rule too. If you're registered guns somehow injured or killed 3 lives by accident or in some sort of crazy mass shooting, then you'd lose your right to bear arms. Of course, if you happened to be the mass shooter, hope you die on the scene... if not, then once found guilty, you'll be painted black and sent to police academy and become live targets for those trigger happy police officers.

Actually, with great gun powder power comes greater responsibilities. On 2nd thought, maybe 1 accidental death ought to be enough to take your right to bear arms away. If you just accidentally shot your wrist, maybe you'll just be on probation. Maybe 3 non-fatal injuries would be the limit.

Seriously, Americans need to be a bit more pro-responsibility. Demanding for your rights while not having your shit together is just BS.

[Tom Servo]

If you can pay for your own abortions, then it won't count against the limit of 3, how's that? Is that better?

I just don't think tax payers should be on the hook for people who are consistently irresponsible. Pro-choice shouldn't be about allowing people to keep on making obviously stupid choices.

They aren't. Federal money can't be used for abortions except in specific circumstances.



But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway. According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, Title X funds may not be used in programs where abortion is a method of family planning." Medicaid funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only abortion cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother. Some states use their own funds under Medicaid to go beyond that. Seventeen states and, until recently, the District of Columbia pay for "medically necessary" abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The federal budget deal now bans Washington, D.C., from using its funds to pay for abortions.

[Crazed_Insanity]

State's money isn't taxpayer money? I was talking about government in general. Besides federal govt, we also have state/local govt. Whatever the government... wherever the tax money comes from, even if from a private charitable org..., do you believe we should finance other people's stupid choices without restrictions/conditions at all? All in the name of being pro-choice? That is the best thing to do for everyone?

Of course I'm also not proposing we ban abortions or withhold funding under all circumstances. People make mistakes. Especially the poor. They need help to get back on their feet. However, if someone is clearly irresponsible... after 3 unwanted pregnancies... is it really that inhumane to tie her tubes up? Now, if it's always the same male partner that's knocking her up, maybe we can tie up the guy's dick first! Point is we need to reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies, right? If you have better solutions, surely we can try those things too.

[MR2 Fan]

State's money isn't taxpayer money? I was talking about government in general. Besides federal govt, we also have state/local govt. Whatever the government... wherever the tax money comes from, even if from a private charitable org..., do you believe we should finance other people's stupid choices without restrictions/conditions at all? All in the name of being pro-choice? That is the best thing to do for everyone?

Of course I'm also not proposing we ban abortions or withhold funding under all circumstances. People make mistakes. Especially the poor. They need help to get back on their feet. However, if someone is clearly irresponsible... after 3 unwanted pregnancies... is it really that inhumane to tie her tubes up? Now, if it's always the same male partner that's knocking her up, maybe we can tie up the guy's dick first! Point is we need to reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies, right? If you have better solutions, surely we can try those things too.

Remove the "red tape" for adoptions of kids born in the U.S. instead of forcing families that want kids to go to Asia or Africa to adopt

[Crazed_Insanity]

I always thought people who went thru the trouble to adopt kids from China or Africa were doing it to help kids over there... not only because of government red tape? Anyway, still, I thought most women with unwanted pregnancies don't really want to carry the baby to full term because it'd sideline their school work or career or it could just be that they don't want anyone to find out that they're pregnant. I really doubt women choosing abortion are not really doing it because of the insurmountable red tapes regarding giving up their babies. Surely they're not thinking that far down the line. They just want to get rid of it NOW! So I don't think removal of adoption red tape won't really help those women.

[George]

I'm not joining the abortion debate, but I think unwanted babies - gosh, that's horrible to even consider, but it's a fact sometimes, I guess - can be dropped off at government-run (as opposed to volunteer) fire stations with no questions asked. The one near my house has a logo of a baby being cradled in two arms on one of the exterior walls, as if to say, "we'll care for your baby if you're in trouble."

[Freude am Fahren]

Got 'eeem!

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11888108_10100345399974593_2326458068920835489_n.j pg?oh=8cdb181c54230c3ef87bd0cce0452443&oe=56452951

(it's sad when so many posts in the Politics thread could just as well go in the meme/fails thread)

[overpowered]

http://schepers.cc/bordering-on-factual

[21Kid]

(it's sad when so many posts in the Politics thread could just as well go in the meme/fails thread) I've been thinking that for a while. It's almost a daily occurrence.

[neanderthal]

If you can pay for your own abortions, then it won't count against the limit of 3, how's that? Is that better?

I just don't think tax payers should be on the hook for people who are consistently irresponsible. Pro-choice shouldn't be about allowing people to keep on making obviously stupid choices.

You DO pay for your own abortion. That's how it works...


You decrease abortions by increasing sex ed and the availability of contraceptives.

[neanderthal]

And keeping fucking religion out of it.

"Sex is only for marriage..." bullshit.

Sex is a normal, biological need. Human beings are animals. Cows don't get married before engaging in sex.

[21Kid]

Don't waste your time... Common sense and Billi don't mix.

[Tom Servo]

Sex is a normal, biological need. Human beings are animals. Cows don't get married before engaging in sex.

http://i.imgur.com/f99x2jC.jpg

Checkmate, lieburals.

[21Kid]

:lol: I don't want to know how you found that.

[2ndMoparMan]

Probably r/cowbride or summat.

[Crazed_Insanity]

And keeping fucking religion out of it.

"Sex is only for marriage..." bullshit.

Sex is a normal, biological need. Human beings are animals. Cows don't get married before engaging in sex.

That is what I believe and I don't compare myself to cows.

Anyway, regardless of my belief, where did I include religion in this discussion? Chill out dude.

BTW Servo, that's one holy cow! :D

[21Kid]

Washington (CNN)A growing majority of Americans are turning against the nuclear deal with Iran and believe Congress should reject the deal brokered between the U.S., five other world powers and Iran.

As Congress inches closer to a vote to approve or disapprove of the deal, 56% of Americans now say they think Congress should reject the deal with Iran -- up from 52% less than a month ago -- according to the latest CNN/ORC poll released Thursday.Really??? :erm:

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6FewiFtph4

Fast forward to 4:25

Andrea Tantaros is a moron.

[neanderthal]

That is what I believe and I don't compare myself to cows.

Anyway, regardless of my belief, where did I include religion in this discussion? Chill out dude.

BTW Servo, that's one holy cow! :D

You didn't. I was merely pointing out that sex is a biological need, not a fulfillment of marriage. I gave a great example of animals that have sex without getting married. Ergo, marriage is NOT necessary for sex.

You choosing to believe that it is by looking at it through the lens of religion is YOUR choice and a choice religious people should impose on themselves in their walk with god.

[neanderthal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6FewiFtph4

Fast forward to 4:25

Andrea Tantaros is a moron.

She is cute as fuck though.

[MR2 Fan]

"opposition research" on Ashley Madison

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/top-gop-official-in-ashley-madison-data-dump-hack

[Crazed_Insanity]

You didn't. I was merely pointing out that sex is a biological need, not a fulfillment of marriage. I gave a great example of animals that have sex without getting married. Ergo, marriage is NOT necessary for sex.

You choosing to believe that it is by looking at it through the lens of religion is YOUR choice and a choice religious people should impose on themselves in their walk with god.

I agree with you. I'm also not trying to impose anything I believe onto anybody else.

I suggested a proposal, which was not based on Christianity, on how I'd handle the abortion problem in a most neutral way. People still have problems with it, but it's not like people have better solutions. Of course this is a complex issue so naturally no simple fixes. But the main point I brought up is that should we support pro-choice with absolutely no limitations regardless how poor the choices were made?

Anyway, then you interjected here with religious talk which was never part of the discussion. Plus, married couples might end up with unwanted pregnancies too. Abortion is not just a problem for single ladies.

[Crazed_Insanity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6FewiFtph4

Fast forward to 4:25

Andrea Tantaros is a moron.

I don't understand why she must be a moron for believing that she should care about navy seal's 'feelings'! :p

Imagine one day, we have a super woman graduating top of her class as the #1 Seal... can you imagine how that'd make the rest of the male seals feel? I think that'd compromise the entire seal team's morale... enemies will also be laughing at US Navy Seal all being too girlie! :D

Anyway, I need to get my spa treatment and go chat with my girlfriends and see what they think about this...

[21Kid]

The Marquette poll, generally considered the best source for Wisconsin surveys, is a bit of a disaster for Walker. It shows, for example, the governor’s approval rating dipping to 39% less than a year after his successful re-election campaign. He leads the GOP’s 2016 field, but only 25% of Wisconsin Republicans – a group that should arguably represent Walker’s ardent base – choose their own governor as their preferred presidential candidate. :lol:

[thesameguy]

I gave a great example of animals that have sex without getting married. Ergo, marriage is NOT necessary for sex.

Animals also eat their own young and pee to mark their territory, so maybe what animals do isn't a great metric for what people should.

[MR2 Fan]

... and pee to mark their territory

Wait, you don't do that?

[thesameguy]

Sure, but only after filing the appropriate paperwork with the county assessor's office. I don't just pee anywhere.

[Sad, little man]

I just realized what our presidential race is missing... Rob Ford! We need to get rid of that pesky birth requirement. Could you imagine Trump and this guy squaring off?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf4XmSrYhxA

[overpowered]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11899960_876561625754180_5396395994101075985_n.jpg ?oh=4115c05e078871ff4218d98a602e70eb&oe=5683F263

[Freude am Fahren]

:up:

[overpowered]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11893882_424233194435145_2038257285391095968_o.jpg

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu1lsw3_Kfo

[21Kid]

I do have to give props to politicians though. The amount of BS they have to come up with, on the spot, in order to justify their position is amazing.

[21Kid]

Scott Walker on birthright citizenship: 3 positions, 7 days (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/23/politics/scott-walker-donald-trump-birthright-citizenship-2016/index.html?eref=rss_topstories):smh:

[21Kid]

Email Trail Proves Scott Walker’s Collusion (http://www.newsweek.com/email-trail-proves-scott-walkers-collusion-365176)

But, clearly he knew nothing about it... :smh:
The 1,600 pages of Rindfleisch emails obtained by state investigators made it quite evident that Walker loyalists on the Milwaukee County payroll had worked on his campaign for governor during office hours.

Walker says he was unaware of any campaign work conducted by county staff. The emails belie that defense. He was copied on much of the correspondence: some as routine as daily press clips and information on events, others emails discussing campaign tactics and strategy.

While receiving emails is not proof they were read, Walker on occasion responded. In a review of the emails, I found 250 responses from Walker, written while he was Milwaukee County administrator and a candidate for governor. Some were one-word responses; others described policy positions, political tactics and press coverage.

One email Walker sent to his county staff on the day The Milwaukee Sentinel Journal broke a story about a county employee posting political comments on news sites suggests how much Walker knew.

“We cannot afford another story like this one. No one can give them any reason to do another story,” Walker wrote. “That means no laptops, no websites, no time away during the workday, et cetera.”

[thesameguy]

Maybe he just does not recall... memory is so flighty!

[overpowered]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1505575_923184011080154_7679866108737397192_n.jpg? oh=c77b59a9c62d2cf1f738aa0f9d5845d0&oe=5672BB16

[overpowered]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11896058_10104766018123320_1216460229854218083_n.j pg?oh=105db7b695e908d55792d9eb4b338e2a&oe=56774CBF

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTvU7uUgjUI

[FaultyMario]

Does the Donald know how many million potential votes He lost by kicking the beloved Jorge Ramos out if his event?

No one would tell John Stewart to go back to Isr... "Mtv" and expect to have a campaign after that.

[overpowered]

The city council of Riviera Beach, Florida voted 4-1 on Wednesday night to rename a stretch of Old Dixie Highway as “Barack Obama Highway.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/20/florida-town-votes-to-rename-old-dixie-highway-barack-obama-highway/

[overpowered]

Former KKK Grand Dragon Endorses Donald Trump, Which Surprises No One Ever

http://freakoutnation.com/2015/08/former-kkk-grand-dragon-endorses-donald-trump-which-surprises-no-one-ever/

[LHutton]

It's not often an endorsement works against you but in this case...

[Freude am Fahren]

The city council of Riviera Beach, Florida voted 4-1 on Wednesday night to rename a stretch of Old Dixie Highway as “Barack Obama Highway.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/20/florida-town-votes-to-rename-old-dixie-highway-barack-obama-highway/

Right down the street from where I used to work at my old station. My new station? We already have one right down the street here.

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AyXWz_w6NU

[Alan P]

:lol: at the last one!

[overpowered]

Private Prisons To States: You’d Better Start Throwing More People In Prison Or We’ll Sue | If You Only News

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/crime/private-prisons-to-states-youd-better-start-throwing-more-people-in-prison-or-well-sue/

[overpowered]

Scoring the news, one year later

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/aug/26/scoring-news-one-year-later/

[LHutton]

Private Prisons To States: You’d Better Start Throwing More People In Prison Or We’ll Sue | If You Only News

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/crime/private-prisons-to-states-youd-better-start-throwing-more-people-in-prison-or-well-sue/
WTF can anyone say to that except disgraceful.:smh:

[overpowered]

Ben Carson: There’s a ‘war on what’s inside of women, but not a war on women’

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/ben-carson-there-a-war-on-whats-inside-of-women-but-not-a-war-on-women/

[overpowered]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11891154_1176186512407994_9062077406387913912_n.jp g?oh=3394717b02f144a53a2403ab55212fb4&oe=56728C61

[neanderthal]

How do I know he's an idiot?
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11891154_1176186512407994_9062077406387913912_n.jp g?oh=3394717b02f144a53a2403ab55212fb4&oe=56728C61

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeju2SG7UMA

[Freude am Fahren]

Sarah Palin has a "show"? Ugh.

[drew]

I didn't even know that, and now I feel dumber that I do know.

[MR2 Fan]

There's some big "Stand with God" (against gay marriage) rally in South Carolina, bringing supposedly 10,000 people.

I've realized South Carolina's state motto should be "The Home of Stupid People in Large Groups"

[Crazed_Insanity]

It's interesting that the top 3 contenders are all non-politicians! I think even the republican voters are fed up by the usual politicians...

[overpowered]

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said on Monday morning he was "deeply disappointed" by President Barack Obama's decision to rename North America's tallest peak.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-boehner-mount-mckinley

Quite frankly, I think it's weird that the mountain's name was changed to McKinley in the first place.

As far as concessions to the indigenous people's go, this is about as minor as it gets.

[Tom Servo]

When I read that this thing has been going on for 40 years...Alaska repeatedly asking to change the name to Denali, then Ohio blocking it...I suddenly realized what's wrong with our country's government.

[MR2 Fan]

Elizabeth Hasselbeck on Fox News wants "Black Lives Matter" classified as a hate group....sure, just as soon as Fox News is classified as one, because there's MUCH more hate and rhetoric coming from Fox News.

http://jezebel.com/why-isnt-elisabeth-hasselbeck-classified-as-a-hate-grou-1727753207

[21Kid]

:smh: What is wrong with people? :(

[Sad, little man]

I have to chuckle at the people who say "Hey, why don't we just say all lives matter?"

Here's a hint, the fact that you don't understand why it's necessary to say specifically that black lives matter is the reason that it's necessary to say black lives matter.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvD9TawMqCY

[overpowered]

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[Tom Servo]

I'd actually be interested to know where Sarah Palin falls on this whole thing, since it appears to be Alaskans more than anyone who want the name changed. Not that I'm that interested in her opinion, as I'm not sure she actually really has any of her own. More curious to see who she's more afraid of pissing off.

[overpowered]

I can't find anything from her about this current much ado about nothing, but in her 2009 farewell address, she referred to it as Denali

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/sarah-palins-farewell-add_b_245215.html

Apparently most Alaskans refer to it as Denali and always have.

I was looking in the comments on a Fox News story on this and one guy said that this is the only good thing that Obama ever did.

[Tom Servo]

I did see that a Republican lawmaker in Alaska is praising the move, and that Bristol Palin has spouted off some business about never even hearing it called Denali (which, as you mentioned, is apparently what her mom calls it, so that seems unlikely).

[George]

Much ado about nothing, indeed. Alaskans should be able to call their mountain whatever they like, without interference from other states.

[Dicknose]

We had something similar when Ayers Rock (worlds largest rock) was officially renamed back to its native name of Uluru.
A small fuss at the time, but most people happily call it Uluru.
Can be a little hard for people who have the other name burnt into their brain and need to stop and translate in their heads.

Denali has had the advantage that the park has been called that for a long while. The mountain had been almost dual named for that time.
(Google the park was renamed in 1980 and Alaska renamed the mountain, but the federal dept didn't recognise this)
So yes it's a catchup on something that happened 35 years ago.

[overpowered]

This is why we can't have nice things.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-republicans-democrats-poll_55e5fbb8e4b0c818f6196a82

[21Kid]

All the more reason to get rid of the Red vs. Blue political system and just make everyone independents that run on their own, without any affiliation.

[G'day Mate]

We had something similar when Ayers Rock (worlds largest rock) was officially renamed back to its native name of Uluru.

I still call it "Ayers Rock" out of habit, but don't really give a shit either way :D

[JoshInKC]

Not that I have occasion to refer to it often, but I've been referring to it as Uluru for about as long as I can remember.

Mainly because "Uluru" is a lot more fun to say/think than "Ayers Rock."

[neanderthal]

I call it Uluru much more than I call it Ayers Rock. Just about the only time I call it that is when someone doesn't know it's names has reverted to the original one.

Same with Mosi Oa Tunya. You know it as Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe/ Zambia. It's still called Vic Falls, but I call it by it's native name. We were fucking there before Livingstone "discovered" it and named it after the queen.

[neanderthal]

And George, there is no rule that says a ringing phone must be answered.

Anyone who wants to get a hold of me knows to text me.

In fact, my voice mail message is "hi, you've reached my voicemail. please text me, unless it's really important. In which case, please hang up and text me."

[Freude am Fahren]

Yeah, that goes for pretty much the entire world outside of parts of Europe and Asia

[overpowered]

Man Freaks Out on Drone Pilot, Falsely Accuses Him of Legally Recording Girls’ Soccer Practice

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/09/man-freaks-out-on-drone-pilot-falsely-accuses-him-of-legally-recording-girls-soccer-practice/

http://thumbs.randomenthusiasm.com/4MzaVxcB9-thumb.jpeg

Math geek that I am, I know George should have said median but I'm OK with it, because the basic point still stands.

[overpowered]

I don't really agree with arresting Kim Davis. She should absolutely be fired for refusing to do her job. I don't think she should be in jail though.

[thesameguy]

Contempt of court is real. When the court tells you to do something, you either do it or go straight to jail. That's all there is to it. She was able to hold up people's lives and hide behind her "can't get fired" because that's the law. Jail for contempt is also the law. She knew the price for disregarding the court's will and now she's paying it. She has even gone so far as to reject the judge's offer to have her let other clerks issue licenses to gays in her stead in exchange for freedom and she has refused. That was a hell of a gesture from a judge and she threw it in his face. She is where she belongs. There was no mystery and no ambiguity in this process.

[Dicknose]

The judge can't fire her.
But he can jail her!

[overpowered]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoMIq50uc5k

[overpowered]

Contempt of court is real. When the court tells you to do something, you either do it or go straight to jail. That's all there is to it. She was able to hold up people's lives and hide behind her "can't get fired" because that's the law. Jail for contempt is also the law. She knew the price for disregarding the court's will and now she's paying it. She has even gone so far as to reject the judge's offer to have her let other clerks issue licenses to gays in her stead in exchange for freedom and she has refused. That was a hell of a gesture from a judge and she threw it in his face. She is where she belongs. There was no mystery and no ambiguity in this process.I get that. I just don't think that's the way it should be.

[thesameguy]

Willful disregard of the justice system is serious business and should result in serious punishment. If you can just "agree to disagree" with a judge and pay a fine or get your car impounded or something the whole system would fall apart quickly, or it would just not apply to certain people. Freedom is the ultimate thing, and the thing everyone has to take away. It is the ultimate punishment... well, short of execution I guess. You can take away the xbox and take away the TV, but being grounded is the final thing. Same here. In fact, in this particular case she disregarded Federal law, she disregarded her job responsibilities, disregarded separation of church and state, disregarded the 1st Amendment, and then she disregarded a judge. She is batting 100 in terms of being a shitty American. We can mulch her for all I care.

[overpowered]

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[Tom Servo]

I gotta agree with thesameguy on this. She knew the consequences of her actions and chose to do them anyway. It's not like she wasn't warned that this would happen. Hell, she could have just gone ahead with the marriage licenses and prayed for forgiveness - isn't God known for that?

But yeah. She had three options. Start obeying the law as a representative of the government, resign, or go to jail. She picked that over finding another job.

I did like an analogy I saw on Reddit. This is like someone working at McDonald's, then becoming a vegan and refusing to cook any food there but still demanding that they collect a paycheck.

[Sad, little man]

Everyone here is forgetting... Back when states were striking down their own bans on gay marriage, you had scores of judges all falling over themselves to write the best opinion supporting gay marriage, trying to secure their places in history as heroic supporters of a civil rights cause.

I suspect the same is true here. You've probably got a self-righteous judge who wants to be known in the history books as the person who put the last defender of gay marriage bans behind bars. Not saying it wasn't the right thing to do, but I have to imagine that that's part of the motivation for dealing with this person harshly.

[Crazed_Insanity]

I'd tend to agree, but in light of tsg's testimony, I now think she sort of asked for it. Quitting ur job would be the right thing to do, surely God won't be pleased with believers who refused to do their jobs while collecting pay.

[Dicknose]

I have to imagine that that's part of the motivation for dealing with this person harshly.

It's not like she is the first person ever to be jailed over contempt of court.
A judge tells you to do something and you say no, then it's pretty standard practice.

I don't think she is being dealt with harshly.
She had a court order from someone higher up, whose job it is to decide these things and she said no.
The judge even offered her the option of letting other clerks from her office do the work, she said she wouldn't allow that.
It's pretty clear she is deliberately disobeying a lawful order from a judge, the penalty is jail, usually till you agree to,follow the order.

[MR2 Fan]

she'll get her own political campaign or spot on Fox News soon

[thesameguy]

It's not like she is the first person ever to be jailed over contempt of court.
A judge tells you to do something and you say no, then it's pretty standard practice.

I know a fair number of judges at this point at they do not fuck around. They are used to being listened to and they do not like being disregarded. I've seen very powerful men zip their lips when being reprimanded by a judge and just take it. There is nothing good that comes from ignoring a court order, but what did she expect? Judges have only one recourse. They can't fine, they can't impound, they can't spank. The only thing they can do to enforce their rulings is jail time, and that's what this guy did. Shrugging it off would be ridiculous, much less dangerous. Saying no to a judge is only going to end one way, whether it's after being asked to be quiet or being asked to do your job. The fact that anybody is surprised by this just shows how lame people are.

[Tom Servo]

Agreed. If you think the jailing was wrong, what remedy would you take to get her to comply with a federal court's orders? Right now she's serving as a government official and denying the rights of the citizens she serves. What would you do within your legal rights to remedy that, were you this judge?

[overpowered]

I don't know. Something in the system probably needs to be changed so that a judge or a city/county government can fire an elected official for not doing their job. I really just want her fired. Jail seems a bit much for someone sticking to religious convictions.

[overpowered]

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[Tom Servo]

I don't know. Something in the system probably needs to be changed so that a judge or a city/county government can fire an elected official for not doing their job. I really just want her fired. Jail seems a bit much for someone sticking to religious convictions.

To be fair, she could resign. She could be impeached, but it would require an emergency session of the legislature to make it happen.

Also, interesting framing. In my mind, she's being jailed for refusing to abide by a federal court order and being in contempt. She can have her religious convictions all she likes, she just can't use them to ignore the law when representing the government. That's why she's being jailed, not because of what she believes.